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Why is it that the OnePunch Man webcomic isn't in the manga DB?

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Nov 23, 2017 9:00 PM
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As someone who read the entirety of it, I would like to be able to add it to my manga list. Is there some kind of specification that has to be met in order for something to qualify for the database?
Nov 23, 2017 9:51 PM
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It's literally the first line in the Manga DB Guidelines:
Only manga published by reputable publishing companies will be admitted to the manga database

But yeah, why bother reading the guidelines, right?
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May 20, 2021 8:16 AM
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It is published officially. . .
Just as a remade version by another artist
So why not make it an honorary addition
You gonna tell me it hasn't earned it?
Jun 4, 2021 12:14 PM
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Does MyAnimeList not accept webcomics?

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Jun 4, 2021 1:13 PM
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Mralabbad said:
It is published officially. . .
Just as a remade version by another artist
So why not make it an honorary addition
You gonna tell me it hasn't earned it?


Just no.

If the mods started "honorary additions" that went against guidelines that WOULD actually fuck the site.

Fanboys of virtually anything that COULD be an "honorary addition" would start bullying and harassment campaigns against the mods to try and get stuff added. After all, it worked for that one thing, right?

Additionally, about 80% of all the threads would start to become troll campaigns to annoy literally everyone on the site so much that we "cave into the demands to add Avatar" or whatever else they want. Actually *adding* Avatar wouldn't stop the chaos, because then that would just embolden fans of whatever-the-fuck, and you'd also get a million joke/troll campaigns to start adding My Little Pony or any other shit
cipheronJun 4, 2021 1:18 PM
Jun 4, 2021 1:15 PM
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cipheron said:
Mralabbad said:
It is published officially. . .
Just as a remade version by another artist
So why not make it an honorary addition
You gonna tell me it hasn't earned it?


Just no.

If the mods started "honorary additions" that went against guidelines that WOULD actually fuck the site.

Fanboys of virtually anything that COULD be an "honorary addition" would start bullying and harassment campaigns against the mods to try and get stuff added. After all, it worked for that one thing, right?

Do those other things have offical animes and mangas based off of it?🦉
Jun 4, 2021 1:19 PM
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Mralabbad said:

Do those other things have offical animes and mangas based off of it?🦉


Stupid argument. There are Japanese versions or spin-offs of a lot of things.

Do we add in those western novels that have anime adaptations into the database too? If you add them up, that accounts for a shitload of stuff. Those adaptations need to be licensed too, so they are in fact "official" adaptations.

The problem with your argument is that you can't just add one thing, and that's the end of the story. By adding one extra thing, you've bent the rules. And by bending the rules, you've indicated to everyone that *the rules can be bent*.

Then people WILL start abusing that.

Alternatively, you 'extend the rules', which you've indicated here, by trying to *create a new rule*. That's clearly intended to add this thing, but no other. But ... you can't just use that rule to add ONE thing. From the mods perspective they're taking the big picture. A rules change that adds one thing adds 1000 things. or 10000 things.

And it also signals that asshole users can get the rules changed if they feel like it. And they will use asshole internet tactics to do it. You never give in to the terrorist's demands.
cipheronJun 4, 2021 1:25 PM
Jun 4, 2021 1:24 PM
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cipheron said:
Mralabbad said:

Do those other things have offical animes and mangas based off of it?🦉


Stupid argument. There are Japanese versions or spin-offs of a lot of things.

Do we add in those western novels that have anime adaptations into the database too? If you add them up, that accounts for a shitload of stuff.

The problem with your argument is that you can't just add one thing, and that's the end of the story. By adding one extra thing, you've bent the rules. And by bending the rules, you've indicated to everyone that *the rules can be bent*.

Then people WILL start abusing that.

Alternatively, you 'extend the rules', which you've indicated here, by trying to *create a new rule*. That's clearly intended to add this thing, but no other. But ... you can't just use that rule to add ONE thing. From the mods perspective they're taking the big picture. A rules change that adds one thing adds 1000 things. or 10000 things.

And it also signals that asshole users can get the rules changed if they feel like it. And they will use asshole internet tactics to do it. You never give in to the terrorist's demands.
thanks for being respectful
Really helps the conversation

Can you name some of those tens of thousands of examples that are like opm?🥐
MralabbadJun 4, 2021 1:32 PM
Jun 4, 2021 1:36 PM
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Mralabbad said:
thanks for being respectful
Really helps the conversation


Sorry if that came across as abrupt, but I've seen this same topic come up again, and again, and again. The same points are always made, and the explanation of why it wouldn't work is ALWAYS ignored.

Every time when it's pointed out why this one thing can't be added without undermining the guidelines and leading to the floodgates opening for all sorts of troll campaigns to add new things, then the person just ignores literally every point raised, and brings up some random unrelated point.

In this case, like all these discussions, the problem is that you're narrowly focusing on the ONE series that you want added and looking for the "one feature" of that series which would allow it to be added. But you're failing to take into account that rules must be applied to *all things that exist*. Not just the one series you want to add. for example there's an anime Powerpuff Girls Z, officially licensed material. So we're adding American Powerpuff Girls now then, on that licensing rule.

The reason why that One Punch webcomic can't be added is basically the reason Pluto isn't listed as a planet anymore. Nobody singled out Pluto, but having it on the list of planets was problematic because of all the new small planets we keep finding. The choice was between dropping Pluto and having 8 named planets, or adding 7000 new 'planets' to the list. So it's literally the same dilemma as the Pluto-fans campaigning to "just add Pluto back".

Additionally, you're completely ignoring the social dynamics angle. Adding one thing on request is a license for everyone else to assume they can harass, cajole or bully the mods to add anything they like, for any reason, not just whatever reason was accepted to make that one rules exception.

The thing is, literally any concession that bends the rules can't work here. That's because this is both a database AND social media space. Well, you could try it. Go make a list somewhere and say it's a list of <whatever> and see how long before you get assholes messaging you that your list is wrong. Then scale that up to a couple of dozen mods on a site with millions of users. Literally any amount of "well it's just a small things so why not add it" would backfire, immensely, because then they' taste the blood in the water.

Additionally, if things can be campaigned to be added they can be campaigned to be removed. So you'd flame wars and mod harassment to both add and not-add or to actually remove specific border-line series.

Lastly, if what's in or out becomes a choice and a grey area, we'd get flooded with Twitter/Tumblr cancel culture types who would argue that some Japanese series don't "deserve" to be here because they're sexist or otherwise "problematic"*, so they'd campaign to actually delete entries for not being "woke". And of course they'd be followed by Ben Shapiro type alt-righters who never gave the first fuck about anime, but suddenly start flooding Youtube with videos about how MAL is the new battlegrounds for the Culture Wars, and then MAL would truly turn into a shit show. Trust me, this would happen, and we need to keep the politics out.

* as an example of how this works you could make a Youtube video "my favorite 1990s videos games" and try putting Earthworm Jim on the list. Then count how many minutes until you start getting bombarded with messages that you need to retroactively remove Earthworm Jim from you favorite memories because the creator of Earthworm Jim is a political conservative. If that doesn't happen, they'll harass you to try and edit the video to add statements badmouthing the creator of Earthworm Jim, so forcing you to become a sock puppet for their specific grudge against the guy.

The mods of MAL have to be careful to stick to hard rules about what's on here to avoid anything like that. Hell, there are cancel culture people right now campaigning to get "problematic" words removed from the *dictionary*, and this has been facilitated by the fact that the dictionary makers have made concessions in the past.
cipheronJun 4, 2021 2:20 PM
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Mralabbad said:
It is published officially. . .
Just as a remade version by another artist
So why not make it an honorary addition
You gonna tell me it hasn't earned it?


Just no.

If the mods started "honorary additions" that went against guidelines that WOULD actually fuck the site.

Fanboys of virtually anything that COULD be an "honorary addition" would start bullying and harassment campaigns against the mods to try and get stuff added. After all, it worked for that one thing, right?

Additionally, about 80% of all the threads would start to become troll campaigns to annoy literally everyone on the site so much that we "cave into the demands to add Avatar" or whatever else they want. Actually *adding* Avatar wouldn't stop the chaos, because then that would just embolden fans of whatever-the-fuck, and you'd also get a million joke/troll campaigns to start adding My Little Pony or any other shit
@cipheron
i disagree with this for one simple reason. MAL accepts LN.
first off i 100% agree that OPM webnovel does not pass the MAL guidelines. but i believe that official cannon of animes should be allowed on MAL. since by proxy anything that is officially cannon to media that is popular in japan is therefore also part of the "production" and also in the licencing chain.

althought the webnovel does not pass the guidelines. the guidelines should change to allow any Cannon material for animes. including all marvel moves (tecnically) <-this is sarcasem
Jun 9, 2024 3:03 AM
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@cipheron
i disagree with this for one simple reason. MAL accepts LN.
first off i 100% agree that OPM webnovel does not pass the MAL guidelines. but i believe that official cannon of animes should be allowed on MAL. since by proxy anything that is officially cannon to media that is popular in japan is therefore also part of the "production" and also in the licencing chain.

althought the webnovel does not pass the guidelines. the guidelines should change to allow any Cannon material for animes. including all marvel moves (tecnically) <-this is sarcasem
@Candorada

You'd have to add all canon for all series then regardless of source. not just for OPM. There's a Tom Sawyer anime, when do we add the novel Tom Sawyer to the database?

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