Hayama-Mizuki said: Oh same happened to me: I gave perfect score to NnA. I was so hooked with it knowing it's not well-written, and I didn't like the couples with which it ended. I also gave perfect score to Zetsuen no tempest which is also not the best show out there.>I don't know why lol. ^__^ Its that personal bias. lol If I ever give a show a perfect score usually there is bias in my decision. There area few exceptions like GitS and Howls Moving Castle which are truly masterpieces but most of the time i am giving it a 10 because that is what I feel. |
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| Gintama good quality the story takes place at a good timeline but "everything else" is CRAP |
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| Aku no Hana (manga). I don't necessarily hate it, but it's certainly not something that I liked past the first arc. Felt like a poor man's Oyasumi Punpun. No offense to those who do like it. |
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Dashiawia said: Aku no Hana (manga). I don't necessarily hate it, but it's certainly not something that I liked past the first arc. Felt like a poor man's Oyasumi Punpun. No offense to those who do like it. I did! :/ How dare you **********? Joke. However I can understand your opinion. |
abotreika said: Dashiawia said: Aku no Hana (manga). I don't necessarily hate it, but it's certainly not something that I liked past the first arc. Felt like a poor man's Oyasumi Punpun. No offense to those who do like it. I did! :/ How dare you **********? Joke. However I can understand your opinion. Lol. At least I don't consider it as a bad work, critically. A 5/10 isn't bad on my rating scale, it's just average. But I can also understand and respect you for genuinely liking the work. ^^ By the way, you should read Oyasumi Punpun when you get the chance. It's somewhat similar to Aku no Hana, except arguably more realistic, and definitely even more emotionally-scarring. |
DashiawiaAug 17, 2015 4:22 PM
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Dashiawia said: abotreika said: I did! :/ How dare you **********? Joke. However I can understand your opinion. Lol. At least I don't consider it as a bad work, critically. A 5/10 isn't bad on my rating scale, it's just average. But I can also understand and respect you for genuinely liking the work. ^^ By the way, you should read Oyasumi Punpun when you get the chance. It's somewhat similar to Aku no Hana, except arguably more realistic, and definitely even more emotionally-scarring. I will for sure, some day. |
| Steins;Gate *Not my style of animation *It did have an original story *It is not enough for me to like this anime considering that only one character in the entire anime has a compelling backstory (which to me is important) *There was nothing about the ending that I found outstanding |
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| Ah, I got one. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. (OREGAIRU) It's not that I hated the show, it's more like I didn't find it realistic at all. The japanese ideology and way of life might be a heavy point of the show, but I just couldn't believe the way the characters very thinking and acting. They are high schoolers, kids on the whole. All those checkmate-like mindgames around the corner, hurt feelings, drama, twisted personalities - I don't buy it. That stuff made my enjoyment suffer a lot. Even though the anime is pretty entertaining and of high quality from time to time. |
abotreika said: Ah, I got one. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. (OREGAIRU) It's not that I hated the show, it's more like I didn't find it realistic at all. The japanese ideology and way of life might be a heavy point of the show, but I just couldn't believe the way the characters very thinking and acting. They are high schoolers, kids on the whole. All those checkmate-like mindgames around the corner, hurt feelings, drama, twisted personalities - I don't buy it. That stuff made my enjoyment suffer a lot. Even though the anime is pretty entertaining and of high quality from time to time. My issue with the show si the plot. It is apparent from the first episode who wh will end up with in the end. I have seen this formula over and over again. I am not sure why they keep churning these kids of stories out. I have seen maybe 2 shows where the MC did not end up with the girl you would expect. First being Shuffle and the other being True Tears. Oregairu is an entertaining show though. I love the humor and little mind games in the show. |
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Seraphrim said: abotreika said: Ah, I got one. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. (OREGAIRU) It's not that I hated the show, it's more like I didn't find it realistic at all. The japanese ideology and way of life might be a heavy point of the show, but I just couldn't believe the way the characters very thinking and acting. They are high schoolers, kids on the whole. All those checkmate-like mindgames around the corner, hurt feelings, drama, twisted personalities - I don't buy it. That stuff made my enjoyment suffer a lot. Even though the anime is pretty entertaining and of high quality from time to time. My issue with the show si the plot. It is apparent from the first episode who wh will end up with in the end. I have seen this formula over and over again. I am not sure why they keep churning these kids of stories out. I have seen maybe 2 shows where the MC did not end up with the girl you would expect. First being Shuffle and the other being True Tears. Oregairu is an entertaining show though. I love the humor and little mind games in the show. Yeah, I see. Pretty much no story at all (at least we don't get to see any), the whole let-us-help-you-plot reminds me of SKET Dance so much. Offtopic: Would you actually recommend Shuffle? And - True Tears was great :3 |
abotreika said: Yeah, I see. Pretty much no story at all (at least we don't get to see any), the whole let-us-help-you-plot reminds me of SKET Dance so much. Offtopic: Would you actually recommend Shuffle? And - True Tears was great :3 I have mixed feelings on recommending Shuffle. I enjoyed the show but others I know have not. I would recommend giving it a shot though if harem animes do not bother you. |
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| Uh oh! Not Shuffle... I'd shuffle my feet as fast and as far away as possible from that wreck if I were you! Nah, but do proceed with caution if curiosity gets the better of you. |
| Oh well :D Yeah, I don't like harems much, so I guess I won't watch it. Better stick to Shokugeki for now :3 Ah, to throw another title in: Bakuman |
abotreika said: Oh well :D Yeah, I don't like harems much, so I guess I won't watch it. Better stick to Shokugeki for now :3 Ah, to throw another title in: Bakuman Bakuman... It is a show that I hated at first but grew on me to become one of my favorite series. |
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| Shuffle was a show that I quite enjoyed when I was fairly new to anime. But, when you actually compare it with similar anime like Kanon/Clannad, it becomes apparent that Shuffle's lacking in more ways than one. In my book, it's a lighthearted watch, with occasional tints of drama, but if you want to experience quality romance/drama stories, you're not gonna find it here. |
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Dashiawia said: Shuffle was a show that I quite enjoyed when I was fairly new to anime. But, when you actually compare it with similar anime like Kanon/Clannad, it becomes apparent that Shuffle's lacking in more ways than one. In my book, it's a lighthearted watch, with occasional tints of drama, but if you want to experience quality romance/drama stories, you're not gonna find it here. This brings up something I have run into recently when trying to re-score shows I watched in the past. Some shows I know do not deserve the score I gave them then but I cannot bring myself to re-score them. My taste have changed since then and if I were to watch some of those shows today I would not give it the same score. |
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Seraphrim said: Dashiawia said: Shuffle was a show that I quite enjoyed when I was fairly new to anime. But, when you actually compare it with similar anime like Kanon/Clannad, it becomes apparent that Shuffle's lacking in more ways than one. In my book, it's a lighthearted watch, with occasional tints of drama, but if you want to experience quality romance/drama stories, you're not gonna find it here. This brings up something I have run into recently when trying to re-score shows I watched in the past. Some shows I know do not deserve the score I gave them then but I cannot bring myself to re-score them. My taste have changed since then and if I were to watch some of those shows today I would not give it the same score. I'm a "perfectionist" and detail-oriented person, so I've been trying endlessly to readjust scores throughout this year to keep the numbers as pinpoint and up-to-date as possible. Part of this process includes rewatching random episodes of select shows. It's interesting what life experiences and ventures with other anime can do to you over a period of time. Some of my biggest score adjustments include Wangan Midnight (originally watched in 2011) from a 6 to a 9 and Bungaku Shoujo (watched in 2013) from a 6 to a 1. I'd like to keep this thread on topic, but I'll leave that to you guys. I really love anime, but I tend to hate on a lot of stuff and would be pushing it with some of the club rules here (mainly rules #1 and #4). |
| @ Style No, don't worry, man. You're not violating any rules from what I can see. Stating your honest opinion on a series, no matter how negative, is fair game when you're giving reasonable arguments instead of simply bashing it out of spite. That's why I established this club to begin with, to have a comfortable environment where veterans of anime can freely share their opinions on various shows, without having to worry about haters and trolls disrespecting their opinions. I treat disagreements the same way I do agreements, in that they exist to reveal what the other party has to say, and I'll respect them as long as the contents are not hostile in nature. |
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| haha I was being sarcastic on breaking the rules. However, I do like breaking stuff though! So let's see. Getting back on track, JoJo might be the series that best fits me for this thread, if not pretty much any other lengthy shounen. I do respect JoJo for being a clinic in animation and for being rather ambitious with activity, but I eventually found myself becoming bored of what I saw as false or fake progression. Basically, the story tried to seem like it's moving, yet so many random things happened and so many random people showed up that it became exhausting for me to follow along. I didn't look forward to anything because I always expected something ridiculous to happen once any character gained an upper hand. Idk. Maybe if the series were shorter I'd be more open-minded, but when investments creep into the triple digit region (for episode count) then battles will have to be avoided for the sake of a longer-term war effort. FMA: Brotherhood is another solid mention on my part. I still don't understand why they needed to stuff such ill-timed comedic moments right in the middle of good drama and action sequences. Would've been nice to let the big moments play out for stronger impact. It's not like I heard much incentive from people who've seen the series, so I'm not going to risk it for a burnt biscuit. Oh, and is there an inverse to this thread? I seriously love Koufuku Graffiti, the first White Album, and hentai! Speaking of hentai, there were actually quite a few popular or lauded ones that I dropped, frowned upon, or disregarded altogether like Oni Chichi and Swing Out Sisters (2014). I remember there being one rated 7+ on here that I threw away like a few minutes in out of disgust. What's the whole deal with ejaculation and abuse anyway? Whatever happened to character development and pure romance? haha All right. I surely left some thoughts to myself and forgot to mention of other shows, so I'll just drop the mic on the ground... |
Trickyni said: I'm sorry to say this, but mawaru pinguindrum is a riddle for me. And I usually never give up on these sort of stuff. code geass makes people hate my precious guilty crown, which makes me hate it unnecessarily, and finally, K. I've never seen someone defend guilty crown before. Is this a joke? |
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| Sorry in advance. I would have to say Evangelion. I wouldn't say I hate eva, I just hate when people talk about it like its the best thing since sliced bread. As for more popular shows... Shigatsu, Erased, Clannad, SAO, Mirai Nikki, and Log Horizon. Also anything that uses a bunch of random symbolism for no reason, like Mawaru Penguindrum. Guilty Crown is probably my all time most hated anime, but I wasn't aware that anyone actually liked that show (no offense) |
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Trickyni said: Did you see guilty crown? the thing is a masterpiece, hands down. from what I saw people criticize guilty crown for either it being a code geass ripoff (which is totally false), or for the main character being a dictator asshole for an entire arc (oh no, spoilers), which to me is the entire point of the story. I've seen the show twice. In my opinion, you have really bad taste if you think guilty crown is a masterpiece. Or perhaps you define masterpiece differently than I do. I actually checked your mal to see if maybe you were a troll, or just hadn't seen very many series, but you've seen quite a lot. I am so surprised that anyone that one consider themselves knowledgeable about anime would say that Guilty Crown is a masterpiece. I'm not going to argue about such a low hanging fruit such as guilty crown. I dont think its bad because its a code geass ripoff, nor do I care about how poor the characterization is. There are SO many faults that are so much worse than those two. The music is spectacular, but thats about all it has going for it. I have to give you credit for blowing my mind. I seriously had not considered that anybody as experienced with anime as you are could think that disaster (GC) was a masterpiece. But I guess... to each her own right? :/ |
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Trickyni said: Pikachu said: I've seen the show twice. In my opinion, you have really bad taste if you think guilty crown is a masterpiece. Or perhaps you define masterpiece differently than I do. I actually checked your mal to see if maybe you were a troll, or just hadn't seen very many series, but you've seen quite a lot. I am so surprised that anyone that one consider themselves knowledgeable about anime would say that Guilty Crown is a masterpiece. I'm not going to argue about such a low hanging fruit such as guilty crown. I dont think its bad because its a code geass ripoff, nor do I care about how poor the characterization is. There are SO many faults that are so much worse than those two. The music is spectacular, but thats about all it has going for it. I have to give you credit for blowing my mind. I seriously had not considered that anybody as experienced with anime as you are could think that disaster (GC) was a masterpiece. But I guess... to each her own right? :/ Whatever you say mate. It's different strokes for different folks, and I must say the characters in guilty crown are incredible. perhaps you just couldn't see beyond the "flaws" you mention you experienced. I hated this show when I watched it for the first time, and loved it to death on my second time. I see it as a very sharp account of the meaning of being humans in a society, especially introverts. I know it has it's flaws, fan-service here and there, over-dramatization at times, but I saw something beyond it. A story of a man who gain power, make mistakes, and attempts to change them, even at the cost of life and limb. well, excuse me for the text-block, but I tend to get annoyed when people talk shit about my favorite things (and who doe Interesting. I hated it on the second watch. Yeah but the plot and narrative are a complete mess to the point where it doesn't even matter. There are so many other shows that offer the same good qualities but without all the random bullshit. No need to apologize, you were pretty polite. I just can't stand when people call something a masterpiece just because they personally loved it. Its a personal pet peeve of mine. But everyone can rate Or organize their titles however they want. I can't stop them, am I can only express my opinion. |
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Trickyni said: Pikachu said: Interesting. I hated it on the second watch. Yeah but the plot and narrative are a complete mess to the point where it doesn't even matter. There are so many other shows that offer the same good qualities but without all the random bullshit. No need to apologize, you were pretty polite. I just can't stand when people call something a masterpiece just because they personally loved it. Its a personal pet peeve of mine. But everyone can rate Or organize their titles however they want. I can't stop them, am I can only express my opinion. As we are dealing with art, not many things can be objectively labeled "trash" or "masterpiece". The subjective experience should not be ignored, especially as the context of this whole discussion is "anime that you have a non-conservative opinion about". You are polite as well, which is quite rare in heated discussion these days, but still, I wouldn't call a "masterpiece" to something just because I enjoyed it. "shows that offer the same quality but without the random bullshit"? define "same quality". I don't think there's anything quite like guilty crown. I know many people fail to see the hidden messages in shows such as this, and I won't hold it against you, but I would advise you to refrain from thinking too objectively about art. emotions rising from the story, how it resonates with your own self, these are (to me) the most important things to observe before judging something This isn't a heated argument my friend, because you are the only one that is passionate about the subject of guilty crown. It is utter garbage in my eyes and that cannot change. Also, I am not blind to what it was attempting to present. I understand your point about how to think about art, but strongly disagree. Using that rational, that would imply something like "super lovers" from this season is a "masterpiece" to someone who is passionate about incest and pedophilia. Just because it's a masterpiece to one person, doesn't make it a masterrpiece. I cant agree with that way of thinking sorry. There would be no point of a top list of that were the case. What message did you care for the most in gc? I will try to think of an alternative anime.For the record, code grass is also pretty bad in my book. So dont worry I will not be comparing that to it. |
PikachuApr 24, 2016 7:29 AM
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Trickyni said: Pikachu said: This isn't a heated argument my friend, because you are the only one that is passionate about the subject of guilty crown. It is utter garbage in my eyes and that cannot change. Also, I am not blind to what it was attempting to present. I understand your point about how to think art, but strongly disagree. Using that rational, that would make something like "super lovers" from this season is a "masterpiece" to someone who is passionate about incest and pedophilia. That doesn't make super lovers a masterpiece. I cant agree with that way of thinking sorry. There would be no point of a top list of that were the case. What message did you care for the most in gc? I will try to think of an alternative anime.For the record, code grass is also pretty bad in my book. So dont worry I will not be comparing that to it. by heated discussion (not argument) I was referring to this entire chaine about anime that most people love but you hate. again, i would like to make clear that I certainly do not call it a masterpiece because I subjectively like it, nor do I advocate looking at any form of art in a non-rational manner. what I do believe is that emotions should be calculated into the critique, not dismissed as unimportant. though I appreciate the offer, I don't think I require any recommendations at the moment, nor do I believe you'll be successful in finding anything similar to the way guilty crown presented itself. one person's trash is another person treasure. I don't think neither of our opinions are invalid, and as such I find this entire discussion, although enjoyable, to be a complete waste of time. for the time being, if this inconclusive conclusion satisfy you as well, I believe this "argument" has overstayed it's welcome. The topic of this forum is not guilty crown after all, am I right? feel free to hit me up if you want to discuss about a different topic. in any case, have a nice day. I was not going to recommend. I needed to provide examples to present my point. I didn't want to just point out every flaw in guilty crown- that would take ages. Oh well. Have a nice day too? |
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| JJBA was meh for me. I kind of dislike Food Wars and No Game No Life, and also End of Evangelion (the TV series was good imo) |
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