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ooReiko | 11 hours ago
I agree that I cant judge the book from its link, its why I maybe buy the book and after that I can post other comment, but before I can buy the book I can only look at the link, and I saw it was good book even if they cant involve Candy in the book.Its why I have respect for Nakayoshi as magazine for shoujo. |
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kihel | 12 hours ago
@ooReiko As for Candy Candy, there is certainly the issue of the court case over the copyright between Mizuki and Igarashi, but I believe that the reason it could not be definitively recorded is because both the original author and the artist cancelled their secondary use agreement with Kodansha Ltd. I guess either the original author or the artist did not approve of having their work published or exhibited. I also believe that the reason why the picture could not be printed on the CD jacket was because the secondary use contract with Kodansha Ltd. was cancelled and it was difficult for Toei Co. to move the work. It is also possible that either the original author or the artist did not approve the use of the artwork here. To be frank, there were others who were not published besides Candy Candy's Mr. Mizuki. Yoko Matsumoto, whose manga book is out of print due to plagiarism issues, is also not listed in the official catalog of the 65th anniversary “Nakayoshi” exhibition. Personally, I also liked Akiko Nomura, but I don't think she is listed. On the contrary, I felt that Yu Asagiri had a lot of pages, perhaps as a memorial. Sorry. I checked this book out from the library, so I don't have it with me right now, so I can't tell you much about it. It's kind of a shame that people judge a book by its link, so I suggest you take a look if you're actually interested in it. |
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Klefki_of_Awsome | Yesterday, 3:42 PM
@kihel Interesting! They look a lot fancier then I remembered them being tbh!ovoI know about LALA, and yet I didn't know about Hana to Yume, or maybe i did and forgot it/mixed it with another magazine.. I see a lot of series I recognize there though including Akatsuki no Yona, Fruits Basket, and Glass Mask. Shoujo Beat is basically the shoujo equivalent of shounen jump by VIZ, it features many works from different magazines as you say, and is also used as the imprint on print volumes here in North America. An imprint is basically like an affiliate or something like that, its supposed to help with categorizing the manga series in different genres so readers can find new picks more easily. |
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ooReiko | Yesterday, 5:47 AM
@kihelAlso now that I looked the link of the art book of 65th Nakayoshi i agree that it is good book. Though I was also sad because they didnt involve Candy Candy in the book who I think had popularity in Nakayoshi as classic series. UNless they only posted Candy in the pages you cant see from Amazon Though I understand if they didnt post Candy because of the legal battle between Igarashi. Since recently when I bought the CD music of Candy they didnt include any photos of Candy in the CD cover either. |
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ooReiko | Yesterday, 3:39 AM
I remember when i heard they were doing the Nakayoshi 65th special but i didnt realize they included so much special as extra in it, i wonder if Ribon and Nakayoshi will post another special next year when it is 70th year anniversary i think Ciao anniversary will be only in 2027 for 50th.Also yeah i agree that its good to hear of the perspective in Japan when it comes to shoujo and tge popularity recently. |
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RICEA42991 | Yesterday, 3:25 AM
@kihel Your input on the manga experience in Japan as a shoujo reader is great to hear here. I'm enjoying the pictures and the info alot :) Thanks for taking time to share with us.It's very interesting and a bit surprising on how different popularity and interest of fans for certain shoujo manga series are depending on the country. Many times to English speaking fans, especially those from America get 'incorrect' impressions of what is 'popular' in Japan in shoujo and overall how different even the 'collector' fans are from each other depending on country. For example in France and Japan, shoujo like Rose of Versailles was a classic hit years ago, and still today in France is pretty well regarded even with its age. While here in America....few shoujo fans have big interest in that series. Other examples.....Creamy Mami and Saint Tail was popular in Japan and Spanish speaking countries back in the 80s/90s, while in America it was never heard of unless the person was a otaku and did research. Same goes for Hana Yori Dango which is HUGE in Japan and most of Asia....it seems in America when it comes to shoujo....Fruits Basket was more known. There are of course American fans who love Hana Yori Dango (Im one of them) but I am referring to general average fans of shoujo for this example. The same goes for magazines and the series in them. While in Japan Chao, and Nakayoshi are sell out more these days, over in America, otakus online often love shoujo series from Hana to Yume, and Ribon....at least thats how fans were ten years ago....not too sure which one is preferred now (I remember LALA being popular back when Vampire Knight was being published which was very popular in America). Nakayoshi on the other hand over in America was definitely more popular in the 90s and early 2000s due to the huge popularity of Sailor Moon over here and around many other countries. As for America's ShojoBeat magazine.......:( I wish it would have gotten better advertised and better treated in America because unless someone was a big otaku, not too many people knew about the magazine back then and it was cancelled. Nowadays ShojoBeat is just a label used by a American manga company to label all their shoujos titles under. As for appendixes/supplements that come along with manga. I would've thought they were always popular because I always saw them mentioned by mangaka in notes. As a fan I know I would love buying the magazines just for the supplements/appendixes as well :) Sadly events like that of Hana to Yume aren't usually made known to alot of fans in America, and other then conventions, not much else happens in regard to that unless maybe California. |
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kihel | Yesterday, 1:09 AM
@ooReikoAppendixes are as popular as ever. Some people buy magazines because they want the supplement. Well, I think there are many people who like letter sets and postcards. Last month, I bought ``Hana to Yume'' for the first time in a while because I wanted the supplement. If you particularly like the work, you may be able to get rid of the magazine but not the supplement. Well, as someone who has been buying girls' magazines for quite a few years, I hope the day will come when I can enjoy magazines overseas every month or twice a month, just like I do in Japan. I also hope that the anniversary events will become something that people overseas can enjoy. |
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ooReiko | Yesterday, 12:49 AM
Yeah i knew it was different from the current time but i was interested because i always had the respect for the classics and the classic style of drawing in shoujo magazine. The extra appendix seems to have elvoved more over the years, sometimes i look in the Youtube channel of Ciao and they always showcase their newest appendix which i wasconfused first but now i learned that the extra is important point for the popularity. |
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kihel | Yesterday, 12:39 AM
@ooReikoThe 100th anniversary special commemorative set of the magazine "Shoujo no Tomo" is different from the regular girls' manga magazines in terms of price and purchasing demographic, so the supplements are from a long time ago, so they may not be useful for current reference. think. I think the people who buy the 100th anniversary commemorative set of "Shoujo no Tomo" are older and closer to collectors than otakus. Regarding the appendix, we recommend that you refer to the 65th anniversary commemorative "Nakayoshi" exhibition official catalog Nakayoshi Art Book, which describes the changes and history of the appendix. I'm sure the book written about the appendix for ``Ribon'' was amazing. https://amzn.asia/d/1lyC00B In the 1990s, many items were made of paper, but recently there has been an increase in items made of materials other than paper, such as acrylic stands, pouches, and accessories. This is the 2021 “Ciao” that I picked up. The appendix includes a digital pad for the September issue and a backpack pouch for the October issue..  |
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ooReiko | May 27, 5:50 PM
Hmm I didnt realize Manga Park was shoujo focused, but maybe that was because I didnt look deeper in the app. I only looked deeper in the Manga Mee app because I heard they included the newest series from Watanabe Masako who has my respect.I heard about the supplements and their popularity recently though I think there was some extras also included since classic times of shoujo magazines, I once bought the 100th year special memorial set of Shoujo no Tomo magazine which included the copy of some extras that were published in the history. i think there was some post crads and drawings. Though I dont know if the supplements have gotten more popularity recently, than before. also I agree about Pretty series and Aikatsu if they included the card there was maybe more popularity. |
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kihel | May 27, 5:37 PM
I think it would be faster if I actually looked at the magazine, so I'll post a photo of ``Hana to Yume'' that I bought last month. Manga magazines are now sold in a shrink-wrapped state with a vinyl cover.  |
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kihel | May 27, 5:30 PM
@Klefki_of_Awsome I first learned about the shojo' manga magazine Shoujo Beat through MAL, but it was a mix of works from different publishers and serialized periods, and I thought that the publishers of each work had often forgiven them. By the way, ``Hana to Yume'' is published twice a month, and ``LALA'', a girl's manga magazine from the same publisher, is published once a month, so I feel that ``Hana to Yume'' is serialized faster. |
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kihel | May 27, 5:25 PM
@ooReiko Hakusensha's Manga Park app, on the other hand, is mostly geared toward Shojo Josei. The circulation of magazines is decreasing due to the declining birthrate and the influence of e-books. However, the paper versions of ``Ciao,'' ``Ribon,'' and ``Nakayoshi'' come with supplements, so some people look forward to purchasing them. When ``Nakayoshi'' included a mahjong set as an appendix, it was sold out at some bookstores. "Ciao" is good at media mix. There are special articles on idols and YouTubers, so the magazine incorporates things that elementary school girls are interested in, not just manga. Even if the PriPara and Aikatsu series manga were serialized, I think they would be more appreciated if they included cards that could be used with game machines. I feel like I can get new readers who are looking for cards. The original target audience for ``Ciao,'' ``Ribon,'' and ``Nakayoshi'' is the age and gender of elementary school girls. I read it when I was that age, and even now, when I read special features, I'm sure people from that age group are reading it. The people who read "Hana to Yume" are probably middle school girls and older, especially women who really like girls' manga. As we get older, we tend to become interested in things other than manga, such as schoolwork, club activities, lessons, fashion, and makeup, and we find it difficult to find time to read manga. As women get older, fewer women buy girls' manga magazines. |
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ooReiko | May 27, 11:20 AM
Yeah i was talking about Manga Mee, i was also surprised since it was only shuheisha who did app focused on shoujo manga. The other publishers i dont think made their own app for shoujo and instead just post their shoujo in the ap which also had shounen. I dont know how many use the app currently but my feeling was that more people used it recently because i think the subscrber was decreasing for the magazines. About the popularity of pretty and Aikatsu, i agree that they dont accrpt it as the cover so youre right about that, though even if pretty series and Maybe aikatsu had manga i think the focus of the those series was more game focused. And recently maybe the popularity was getting lower than in 10 years ago when pripara had the popularity. I dont know the level of the popularity of the game currently but i think they target the popularity of the younger girls. Some of the magazine like Hana to Yume i think was maybe focused to older girls more. Ciao , Ribpn and maybe Nakayoshi the image i think from them was maybe younger. Though recently i agree that its Ciao who has mastered the younger audience and its why it has more popularity than the others. |
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Klefki_of_Awsome | May 27, 10:03 AM
@kihel and @RICEA42991 I see, I was mostly surprised that Hana to Yume was the magazine name, I thought it was the company/imprint name instead (kind of like how Jump is used for a lot of Shounen magazines and the VIZ media imprint for shoujo manga is Shoujo Beat). |
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kihel | May 27, 7:41 AM
@ooReikoRibbon probably uses “Manga Mee” if you want to read it in electronic format. I also put in the app to read works that were serialized in “Ribbon”. |
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kihel | May 27, 7:36 AM
@RICEA42991 In Japan, when you buy a shoujo manga magazine for the first time, you will most likely choose one of three options: Chao, Ribon, or Nakayoshi. I once bought “Ribon” by mistake at first, but then I bought “Nakayoshi” for several years. I have the image that “Hana to Yume” and “LALA” are bought by people who particularly like shoujo manga. I think “Chao” is popular because of its successful media mix and because it properly analyzes the tastes of elementary school girls, its original target audience. By the way, the “Pretty” series and “Aikatsu” aren't that popular. If they were popular, they would be on the cover of magazines in the first place. I feel that “Nakayoshi” is blurring the target audience that they want the magazine to reach. They are serializing works with themes that don't exist in shoujo manga, but the circulation is decreasing, which I think is inevitable... |
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ooReiko | May 27, 6:29 AM
I think aikatsu already ended last year with the film, unless they plan to continue it still, though im not sure about the games since think the main popularity from aikatsu and pretty series was because of the games had the popularity.The new series of pretty series started this year which is why i think maybe currently pretty series has the higher popularity of the 2 series. About Ribon i agree since i think ribon had lot of the classics and with Nakayoshi i think its the oldest shoujo who are still active as magazines |
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RICEA42991 | May 27, 5:41 AM
@Klefki_of_Awsome The main reason I know more of Ribon is because it used to be mentioned sooo often years ago on here, most likely because alot of the mangas I read at the time and loved were from Ribon. So I automatically assumed nearly all the shoujo I read were from Ribon, when in reality a good portion of them were from Hana to Yume. I was surprised, but not that shocked because Hana to Yume was also mentioned alot on here back then, more than the other magazines at the time@kihel Wow that sounds amazing. I'm surprised Chao is the best-selling one, I barely have heard or read much from them compared to Lala, Nakayoshi, Ribon and Hana to Yume. It's possible that its high sales is probably due to the 'Pretty Rhythm' series (not really into it myself) although this is just my assumption based on 'Pretty' series and Aikatsu being popular right now in Japan or so I heard. |
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ooReiko | May 27, 4:22 AM
I think they few years ago had also another app called Ribomaga though maybe it never had the popularity since they deleted that app for some reason even though i thought it was the better app since it had some of the classics that they dont have currently in their other app |