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Nov 21, 2009 3:35 PM

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francismeunier said:
Does anyone know what is the point of Heinseberg's uncertainty principle of quantum theory and Shrodinger's cat have to do with the Personal Realities?
http://www.skepticwiki.org/index.php/Quantum_Mechanics

kage-bunshin said:
everyone is just falling unconcious for no apparent reason, so they turn to... the streaker woman!
It's a common plot that when a person has been artificially enhanced that when the enhancement is removed, the body collapses for no apparent. It's usually because the body become addicted to the artificial stimulus and when the stimulus is removed, the body cannot cope with the withdrawl and "shuts down". Level Upper is no different than a drug.
Dodecahedron-O24Nov 21, 2009 3:39 PM
What if the Hokey Pokey is what it is all about?

Nov 21, 2009 4:49 PM

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I hope Saten finds the level upper. I want her to get an ability!
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Another good episode. Just glad for some more progression on Level Upper. The Misaka fight against that female thug leader was interesting.

Also, props to Rina Satou on the voice acting for Misaka at the restaurant. Did a good job of making her sound cute. Definitely one of the highlights of the episode for me.
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Awesome episode, next episode we finally get a kuroko fight :).

Look like they'll finish the level upper arc in 4-5 episode or so, I'm expecting the imoutou arc after this one.

This episode was different than how it's going in the manga but it was as good imo.


GarLogan78 said:
I hope Saten finds the level upper. I want her to get an ability!


Read at your risk


Well in a sense I can understand Saten well, she want power but it is not possible for a level 0 to gain some, she would be happy with the weakest power ever because she would do her best to train it but however how much she train now it is impossible, this is like putting a wall between her in her friends.
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Saten, is great : >
Kuroko is not btw.

Also, brain freeze, then brain freeze, followed by brain freeze xD
Which in turn is followed by Kuroko going slightly mad : >

Hahah~
Misaka~ (And Kuroko's reactions to Misaka's behaviour : D)

Also, cool chick controlling asphalt stuffs : D
But then again, Misaka screwed up the whole town's electricity xD..

And hey wait, Uiharu didn't have her usualy flowers in her hair? : O
Also, I'm so glad this is 24 episodes and not 12 or something : >

And so, the theory I formulated a few episodes ago turned out to be correct? The Level Upper was indeed that strange music that the guy was constantly listening to.
(And most likely the cause to his unconciousness, like drugs, once you start you can't stop. lol)
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Oosran said:

And so, the theory I formulated a few episodes ago turned out to be correct? The Level Upper was indeed that strange music that the guy was constantly listening to.
(And most likely the cause to his unconciousness, like drugs, once you start you can't stop. lol)



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maxime1007 said:
Oosran said:

And so, the theory I formulated a few episodes ago turned out to be correct? The Level Upper was indeed that strange music that the guy was constantly listening to.
(And most likely the cause to his unconciousness, like drugs, once you start you can't stop. lol)


Although it sounds horrible
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Oosran said:
maxime1007 said:
Oosran said:

And so, the theory I formulated a few episodes ago turned out to be correct? The Level Upper was indeed that strange music that the guy was constantly listening to.
(And most likely the cause to his unconciousness, like drugs, once you start you can't stop. lol)


Although it sounds horrible


Well in the manga there isn't sound so I guess it's JC staff who chose to make it sound horrible, or maybe the author told them to make it around that way.
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maxime1007 said:
Oosran said:
maxime1007 said:
Oosran said:

And so, the theory I formulated a few episodes ago turned out to be correct? The Level Upper was indeed that strange music that the guy was constantly listening to.
(And most likely the cause to his unconciousness, like drugs, once you start you can't stop. lol)


Although it sounds horrible

Well in the manga there isn't sound so I guess it's JC staff who chose to make it sound horrible, or maybe the author told them to make it around that way.

Or maybe .. lol nevermind I can't come up with any other reason right now : D
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Pretty good episode. Mikoto dere-mode was lots of fun and I honestly couldn't stop laughing at Kuroko's reaction.

For some reason I was getting Fullmetal vibes from the climactic battle, what with all the earth manipulation.
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I'm suprised kuroko didn't get a bit stupid from slamming her head on that table so hard, ahaha.

And I'm doubly surprised thast even with Uiharu's long and meaningful speech she was still looking for that level upper anyway! Maybe she just wants to be as cool as Misaka.

Nov 21, 2009 7:34 PM

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DarcyD said:
I'm suprised kuroko didn't get a bit stupid from slamming her head on that table so hard, ahaha.

And I'm doubly surprised thast even with Uiharu's long and meaningful speech she was still looking for that level upper anyway! Maybe she just wants to be as cool as Misaka.


It means big to her, she won't stop looking for it because of her friend's oppinion.
She don't want to use it to cheat and gain level in the easy way, she's ready to train them herself but it's impossible for a level 0 to gain an ability (it is not stated but it is referred to and it would also goes against what we know about magic) so no matter how much she train she won't ever be able to gain anything. She want the level upper to give her a start.
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It was a pretty good episode. Thought the fight was a bit too short. The next episode looks very promising.

lol @ kuroko slamming her head all episode. ^_^

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Nov 21, 2009 8:53 PM

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Started crap, had some alright moments later on. Was surprised that the plot actually came in finally -_- though it isn't particularly good. Seems far to predictable as well. Comedy wasn't amusing, Discovered that I am only still watching this show for Touma, which he may not appear again for awhile :/
Nov 22, 2009 12:13 AM

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nice ep ^ ^

rofl @:
1. Comparing flavors scene and Kuroko's indirect-kiss disappointment!
2. Uiharu: "I always wear them! Everyday!"
3. Kuroko slamming her head on the table.

Misaka looked sooo cuted when she tried to take the info about Level Upper <3<3<3!!

Those guys who used lv upper picked the wrong person to try to take money from/harass. They got what they deserved!

That woman (The boss of the losers) looked really creepy. In fact, I just realised what made me feel weird when I was watching her fight.

Full Metal Alchemist!! looolz

She wished for her end when she tried to piss Misaka and tempt her to use her full power!

n WoW! The brain psychology specialist appears, Kiyama Harumi's the name! >>> Hi again ^.^

Level Upper users fall unconsciousness after some time, so there's no coming back for them!

Saten really found something she shouldn't had! No coming back for her too? xDD >>> loolz, like something like that is really gonna happen -__-"

5/5 ep!

Cute Misaka ftw!! <3 <3!!


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Nov 22, 2009 12:59 AM

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Tensai-Kun said:

That woman (The boss of the losers) looked really creepy. In fact, I just realised what made me feel weird when I was watching her fight.

Full Metal Alchemist!! looolz

She wished for her end when she tried to piss Misaka and tempt her to use her full power!

Actually it was to point out how amazing her ability was...I mean cement manipulation...never even seen it in Index...how amazing new abilities and exciting they are to me is another element I like in this show!

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Nov 22, 2009 1:16 AM

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I enjoyed this episode. It's nice to see some clear plot happening now.

It's fun to watch Kuroko go crazy.
Nov 22, 2009 1:21 AM

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I had a feeling that all those urban myths were true when I saw that the other myths were proven. I get the feeling that this "Level Upper", singular or plural is like a steroid for espers. We're starting to see serious side effects.

I like how that chick was all happy about how she could manipulate asphalt & Misaka was pretty much like, "yeah, nice." The show just keeps getting more & more fun.

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Here's a quite little comparison... It’s always interesting to see a scene four different ways...

First the Index Manga


Next the Railgun Manga


Next the Index Anime (First episode)


Finally this Railgun Anime Episode


I love it how there is clear linking yet difference in story... nice of JC Staff to use the same diner.. the one scene is the exact same!!!
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Nayrael said:
Damn, I so wanted to see the scenes below animated -_-'




Thanks for this Nayrae, I was actually under the impression that this episode was decent until I read your manga post and realized how much better the restaurant scene was in it. Plus it seems that this episode left the critical information about 'God's Brain', something that was explained a bit at the end of Index.

It's too bad Touma didn't make an appearance to put Mikoto in check and keep there side story going.
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Orion1 said:
I was actually under the impression that this episode was decent until I read your manga post and realized how much better the restaurant scene was in it. Plus it seems that this episode left the critical information about 'God's Brain', something that was explained a bit at the end of Index.

It's too bad Touma didn't make an appearance to put Mikoto in check and keep there side story going.


That's why it's railgun, there won't be any information about the magic side of the world.
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Sonja-cchi said:
Nayrael said:
Damn, I so wanted to see the scenes below animated -_-'

Same here, that scene was just hilarious and I love Misaka's expressions there ! But overall it was pretty nicely made episode and I'm just really happy that they're getting the plot !


Me too and

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@ everyone, STFU about Touma, he's a lame character and the less we see of him the better. The fact that he has already appeared in this anime will keep it from getting a perfect score from me.

No Touma is great! Has his own unique personality and power. Don't think anyone can be him.

He is in no way unique, almost every harem anime have an exact replica of Touma.. And I for one absolutely despise the characteristics of those characters. They are all useless, throw themselves in unnecessary dangers, are stupid and usually just suck at everything.
Yet against all logic they always managed to save the day and everybody loves them, it just make me sick.
My fist to Toumas face would easily put him down.. or a led bullet to the head, I'd love to see him block that -.-

Anyway really exited over the next episode :D
I wonder if Saten will use that level upper (talk about a lame name) and gain a ability of her own :)
Also too bad they didn't show the part where she washed all of Uiharu body ;)


He is unique,and not these generic guys from harem animes.I say the same to you,let a bullet in your head,I'd love to see you block that. ;)
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maxime1007 said:
DarcyD said:
I'm suprised kuroko didn't get a bit stupid from slamming her head on that table so hard, ahaha.

And I'm doubly surprised that even with Uiharu's long and meaningful speech she was still looking for that level upper anyway! Maybe she just wants to be as cool as Misaka.


It means big to her, she won't stop looking for it because of her friend's opinion.
She don't want to use it to cheat and gain level in the easy way, she's ready to train them herself but it's impossible for a level 0 to gain an ability (it is not stated but it is referred to and it would also goes against what we know about magic) so no matter how much she train she won't ever be able to gain anything. She want the level upper to give her a start.


No, no. I understand all that, I'm just surprised that despite the warnings and subliminal messages Saten is looking for it anyway, because I didn't expect her to throw away Uiharu's advice on it as quickly as she did. Getting a head start is still cheating and she knows that, but putting it that way just sounds nicer. She knows what she's doing is wrong but the fact that she's doing it anyway is insanely intriguing, because I didn't peg Saten as the type of person with extreme desperation (although her low self-esteem is apparent).

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maxime1007 said:
That's why it's railgun, there won't be any information about the magic side of the world


Last time I checked, the Manga was written before the anime. If I remember correctly 'Gods Brain' is a phenomenon that is occurring due to all of the Espers psychic powers being used in such a close proximity.

Kikyou Yoshikawa's appearance at the end of this episode seems to point to the beginning of the "Level 6 Shift" arc also known as "Sisters Experiment" or simply put the kill 20,000 Mikoto's to level up Accelerator story arc. This is where things should start getting very interesting. I'm guessing that Kikyou has something to do with the 'Level Upper' phenomenon too. Maybe Mikoto will meet one of her clones or 'sisters' next episode.
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Orion1 said:

Last time I checked, the Manga was written before the anime.


Well yeah since Railgun's anime is based on railgun's manga it's only natural that the latter came first... If you're talking about railgun's comming before index's anime then it don't matter since the anime of Index is based on the novel which came way before anything else



Orion1 said:

If I remember correctly 'Gods Brain' is a phenomenon that is occurring due to all of the Espers psychic powers being used in such a close proximity.


I don't remember what was this god's brain thing so I'll go with what you said



Orion1 said:

Kikyou Yoshikawa's appearance at the end of this episode seems to point to the beginning of the "Level 6 Shift" arc also known as "Sisters Experiment" or simply put the kill 20,000 Mikoto's to level up Accelerator story arc. This is where things should start getting very interesting. I'm guessing that Kikyou has something to do with the 'Level Upper' phenomenon too. Maybe Mikoto will meet one of her clones or 'sisters' next episode.


Imouto arc happen after the level up arc so unless they mix the arc and fuck the timeline of the events badly we won't see a clone of Misaka until a while.
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francismeunier said:
Was the bridge part skipped after the restaurant part or after the fight part again girl with red rose jacket?

it was instead of the fight. in the manga touma walks up behind mikotosama just when she is about to get them to tell her about the level upper and tries to save the punks from getting shocked and that's when the index anime starts.

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Is that girl also the Kiyama Harumi?

don't think so - this is an anime-only character though. i was sort of surprised to see them introduce her.
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Lucid_Yume said:
Here's a quite little comparison... It’s always interesting to see a scene four different ways...

First the Index Manga


Next the Railgun Manga


Next the Index Anime (First episode)


Finally this Railgun Anime Episode


I love it how there is clear linking yet difference in story... nice of JC Staff to use the same diner.. the one scene is the exact same!!!


Actually these pictures help explain my thoughts at I was watching it. In the manga I was bothered that Misaka was standing and Touma showed up behind her, instead of sitting surrounded. My thoughts are that they changed it and will have the Touma scene later, probably with Misaka sitting at the dinner and being approached and surrounded. So they'd be changing it form the railgun manga in order to make it closer to the Index story/manga/anime.
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I might as well add the 'real' version as well, if one is willing to read it. Here is the prologue from the first novel, the original source. It's a pity this is the only part of To Aru Majutsu no Index that has been translated.
http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=To_Aru_Majutsu_no_Index:Volume1_Prologue
One could see a lot of conflicts with the original story and anime if there is no bridge scene... we will have to see what J.C. Staff does to salvage this.
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It's a pity this is the only part of To Aru Majutsu no Index that has been translated.


It is not the only part that was translated. Prologue and chapter 1 of Volume 3 have been translated, Prologue and a part of Chapter 1 of Volume 4, Prologue of Volume 9 is translated and the entire Volume 12 has been translated as well as first chapter of Volume 13.
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OMG Misaka Acting all cute was <3
and koruko getting all jealous lol same when misaka was eating ice cream XD
anyway good episode, misaka again showed her superiority
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Yes, you are right about there being more translated, but I would like to read the books in order. I do not want to read fragmented parts of skip ahead... Hopefully learning Japanese will help...
Anyway, this episode sets up a great next episode (Kuroko's awesome battle...). I just wonder where they will go with Touma.
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OMG Misaka Acting all cute was <3
and koruko getting all jealous lol

Agreed!The episode was pretty good,but i miss Touma :/

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Misaka is trying to be cute was too awesome, and I laughed out so hard when I saw Kuroko bangs her head on the table often. It’s too bad that anime differs to manga a bit, and I will read the manga someday.
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Nayrael said:
Damn, I so wanted to see the scenes below animated -_-'

I guess it is not bad to skip the scene that Kamijo-san appears in the restaurant, to keep the consistency of RailGun and INDEX.
but, feel bad about, the scene of "Let's show her our level 2, beefed up power" was hard to understand and laugh compared to Manga's one
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Sorry, but what is meant by consistency? In four of the five works (Index Light novel, Index anime, Index manga, Railgun manga) concerning the restaurant scene, Touma appears and is chased off by the thugs. In those works Touma also has a scene with Mikoto on the bridge where the power to parts of the city is knocked out. In three of those four (Index light novel, Index anime, Railgun manga), Touma was trying to save the thugs, already having met Mikoto, and thinking she would injure them, which she did. Only in the Railgun anime did Touma not appear at this point, unless JC Staff plans on doing another power outage…

The power outage lead into the next day, when Touma met Index, so there could be some confliction with the timeline and events due to the lack of the meeting on July 19th.
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Sorry, but what is meant by consistency? In four of the five works (Index Light novel, Index anime, Index manga, Railgun manga) concerning the restaurant scene, Touma appears and is chased off by the thugs. In those works Touma also has a scene with Mikoto on the bridge where the power to parts of the city is knocked out. In three of those four (Index light novel, Index anime, Railgun manga), Touma was trying to save the thugs, already having met Mikoto, and thinking she would injure them, which she did. Only in the Railgun anime did Touma not appear at this point, unless JC Staff plans on doing another power outage…


I meant, as everyone knows, railgun is spin-off work of INDEX, so author of Railgun tried to conform railgun's some scene to INDEX's some scenes, but originally, there wasn't such an intention (Misaka trying spy on those guys) in original novel, INDEX manga, and INDEX anime.
so,there're several minute variances of depiction and dialogue in the restaurant and on the bridge, between Railgun manga and works of INDEX.

in this anime, if Misaka had acted as Railgun Manga, there would be some variances from Anime INDEX.
and, if Misaka had acted as INDEX ANIME, i think they would be sort of strange and unnatural scenes

those things are kind of minute variances though
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Mmm, I see what you are saying, but seeing as how the same restaurant was used, it feels kind of odd not to relate. I re-watched the first Index episode, and the same scene could have been adapted to Railgun by changing the camera angle and using Mikoto's thoughts in dialogue as the variance. All the works have a nice method of labeling dates, which could lead to contradiction of the anime series to one another (even both being JC Staff) if they use the scene or not. I just find it odd that Touma should not appear when the other four works found a way to integrate him into the scene.

Here, I'll repost the comparison, see how the scenes are linked.
First the Index Manga

Next the Railgun Manga

Next the Index Anime (First episode)

Finally this Railgun Anime Episode

Light Novel
http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=To_Aru_Majutsu_no_Index:Volume1_Prologue
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Hana-kei said:
Lucid_Yume said:
Sorry, but what is meant by consistency? In four of the five works (Index Light novel, Index anime, Index manga, Railgun manga) concerning the restaurant scene, Touma appears and is chased off by the thugs. In those works Touma also has a scene with Mikoto on the bridge where the power to parts of the city is knocked out. In three of those four (Index light novel, Index anime, Railgun manga), Touma was trying to save the thugs, already having met Mikoto, and thinking she would injure them, which she did. Only in the Railgun anime did Touma not appear at this point, unless JC Staff plans on doing another power outage…


I meant, as everyone knows, railgun is spin-off work of INDEX, so author of Railgun tried to conform railgun's some scene to INDEX's some scenes, but originally, there wasn't such an intention (Misaka trying spy on those guys) in original novel, INDEX manga, and INDEX anime.
so,there're several minute variances of depiction and dialogue in the restaurant and on the bridge, between Railgun manga and works of INDEX.

in this anime, if Misaka had acted as Railgun Manga, there would be some variances from Anime INDEX.
and, if Misaka had acted as INDEX ANIME, i think they would be sort of strange and unnatural scenes

those things are kind of minute variances though


That is basically my point of view. That the Touma scene was cut so it can be put in later in a way that is more in-line with the original index story. It also gives them freedom in how they pace the next couple of episodes, since they probably want the amount of time that passes from Touma on the bridge to amnesiac Touma meeting Misaka to feel the same as in the Index anime.
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moe restaurant railgun is moe!

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darn i wish touma was here

Yeah! :D Me too, it would have made more interesting the fight against that red rose jacket girl. Right everyone? Even Shirai being there would have been more interesting but more towards Touma!

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Looks like my guess that the Level Upper is an audio file is looking more true. 2 episodes ago, I noticed that the camera focused a lot on the bomber's earphones and iPod, together with that weird BGM. In the next episode preview, it looks like Saten opened the file in Windows Media Player, complete with "UNKNOWN ARTIST"!

What I thought of when other names of Level Upper was discussed (page 2): Rare Candy!
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What I thought of when other names of Level Upper was discussed (page 2): Rare Candy!

Although Rare Candy isn't that addicting as the Level Upper apparantly is xD
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Great episode, I sense epic battles in the future :D
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I seriously can't believe they let Heisenburgs uncertainty principle and schrodingers theory into this... what the heck does dm*dp>h/4pi have to do with biribiri T_T
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Can't wait for next episode :)
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lulz episode
lvl upper eh...
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I refuse to believe that is the same apartment, that would be just too much for me, but dang it looked like it.

This episode wasn't all that bad, a few silly moments(cute Misaka) and Saten's developments are interesting however could the level upper work on her, if she is a level 0, then she has no level, 0 can't become 1 can it?
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good episode i liked the fight scene and Misaka being cute was so awesome :D
also when Saten and Misaka shared ice cream was awesome 2 :D
the next episode looks like itll be really good :D


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