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| I also noticed how emphasized and in-your-face the 'like a model' compliment was, but I thought it was another way to make it even clearer that 'she's very pretty, have we made it clear enough yet in these 20 minutes?'... I guess it could be what you said, I don't see anything blatantly against it for now. Even if I'm personally leaning to a gender quote unquote discomfort and 'what it means to be a girl vs what it means to be actually seen as one' interpretation now, it was just one episode. I don't know if they'd put in the same small cast of 4 characters both a ex-junior idol and a model, because much of their career problems would overlap, although they did put a ridiculously rich girl, a hard character type to make the audience relate to, so anything is possible. Well, Sawaki trying to save her doesn't automatically mean the feelings were mutual. Interpreting the infatuation as unrequited isn't a jump in logic and could be based on the text, even if doesn't come to fruition later. In the flashback, she seemed very uncomfortable in that situation and didn't reciprocate anything, not even the hug. In the ED, there's a pic of her and Haruka (the friend), but both seem younger than in the flashback. A possibility: they could be long-time friends and Sawaki felt she was put in a bad spot, knowing her friend doesn't see her as a 'friend'. Her reassuring Haruka that there are other girls like her is a sign that her feelings for Sawaki were either a direct or an indirect motivation for her suicide. |
KosmonautFeb 3, 2021 1:53 AM
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| @Kosmonaut Yes, I also thought that this sounds like a repetition, but it seemed to me that Rika's problems still have other reasons, especially since it could be an interesting contrast. Hell, she even got noticeably jealous when the girls praised Momoe. Either way, a tall handsome girl with elegant manners is a rather stereotypical portrayal of fashionable models in Japanese culture. |
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| For some reason, I never put two and two together that Momoe is related to that creepy teacher until the end of the episode. Now I wonder if all the girls dealt with him in some way or another before, and if he really is the final Big Bad of the show. I'm also still very suspicious of the Accas. This show is constantly blowing me away with the fight choreography too. Love Momoe's umbrella spear. |
| Momo's pretty good ngl. They're all cute together <3 Every episode is good! |
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| To me Momoe just seems to be an androgynous looking girl due to her built. Maybe she isn't comfortable with being overly feminine or she just thinks her current style suits her better, yet she still see's herself as a girl. Reminds me of Sailor Uranus (kinda funny that the one friend was named Haruka) who was also very popular with both genders, but mostly girls, even straight ones were shown to fall for her. Besides it's not necessarily only the other gender that can be perceived as attractive. Effectively it's about looks. I think I have to point out that every culture has their own beauty standards and so do the Japanese. Compared to westerners Japanese guys come off as effiminate and that seems what the girls over there are mostly into. Just look at all the bishounen stuff. Long story short, what I'm trying to say is that Momoe's appeal overlaps with the bishounen one and that was clearly shown in this episode. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| I started watching this anime only because of Love Live cast but it became my favourite of this season especialy after this episode |
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| Another fantastic episode! That song by Yu yu was a great OST, I am now a Yu yu fan as well not just as crazy as those fanatics lmao. And we are finally introduced to the fourth girl Sawaki Momoe, a pretty interesting character. We are not really sure yet what her preferences are, though I think from my observations there is a reason why she looks masculine, I don't know, maybe maybe not. I didn't notice any signs that she likes those girls, their the ones that like him and she seems uncomfortable with it. I'm not sure yet, pretty interesting though. So, there is like an egg shit for boys too then? That would be cool to see. That end was pretty wholesome though, I really liked it. But, can't shake the feeling that some of them will die if not all of them or at least Ai will be left alone. Looking forward to the next ep. |
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| I like how this show always has something good to offer in each episode, and just makes you look forward to what's to come next (not just the story, but the themes as well). Momoe is really interesting, I liked her just as much as Rika eventhough the focus wasn't hers this episode. Neiru better get something soon, though! |
| This anime together with Horimiya are really great, Cloverworks is doin such a great job this season. The new girl is so cool, and like the others, she also has some ghost chasing her from the past. Looking forward the next week. pd. such a shame that I can't watch this legally in my country. |
This moment tough ^^ |
| Many kinda assume Momoe is a lesbian but I'm pretty sure she is straight 1. She was noticeably uncomfortable every time girls confessed to her 2. It seems that the girl from her flashback killed herself after being rejected - obv lesbians can reject other girls, but still, not being into girls is a solid reason for a rejection, and it would also make her friend's situation even more hopeless (not only are her feelings not mutual, but they never will be), thus pushing her closer to suicide 3. "Adam's apples are sexy" isn't really a lesbian remark to make None of those really prove anything, but I do think it points straight rather than not. Ngl I hope that's what they're going for, it would make for a more refreshing and original (and more tragic in a sense) story; we don't really get LGBT+ themes explored from perspectives of straight characters. |
| Momoe's battle with her gender really hit me, like a train, you could say. She wants to be seen as a girl so badly, and her liking women doesn't help. I can relate in an opposite way. She also wears such a big shirt, hiding her chest. I love her lots. |
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| YURI LETS GOOOOOO lovely episode, that last smack felt really good. i got very worried when that girl with Momoe "gave in" but oh boy, what a twist |
 Maybe watching, maybe reading, probably living |
wuff_the_dog said: Momoe's battle with her gender really hit me, like a train, you could say. She wants to be seen as a girl so badly, and her liking women doesn't help. I can relate in an opposite way. She also wears such a big shirt, hiding her chest. I love her lots. pretty sure she's as flat as megumin |
| Maybe watching, maybe reading, probably living |
| Momoe Introduction this episode was interesting. Which a girl that teased by Haruka who is her own friend because Unknown Reason that us Don't know until now (Probably because Momoe look like a Boy and Handsome too). And Because of that She dress and Behave like A boy, but her heart still a girl. Because of that Momoe Confuse between girl and boy Personality. I think this is the first time I meet the topic around this Topic, so this is gonna be Interesting yet Unique to watch. Moreover I honestly still Confuse that Momoe is still Girl or already have change to Boy (For now I suppose is stiil Girl) Ai having difficulty to defeat Wonder Killer but thanks to Miko and Mako Concert Lights and Later Rika itself helping in Fight with Ai, They can defeat Wonder Killer. But it's shame that must farewell to Miko and Mako even though Their already becoming Number.1 Fans with Rika and Ai. WHAT!? So Neiru is Owner of some Company, WOW that beyond My expectation. Ah... Finally Our 4 Main Girls already meet, I really their first interaction and conversation between them. I wonder are their gonna team up to protect Egg Person and Kill Wonder Killer. Looks like Momoe having some Family Relationship with Ai Teacher because having same family name. Hope can make this hint as Story Progression. For the "Boys are goal-driven and women are emotional" that ACCA tell this episode, For me is not some kind of Face Value. My Prediction that setence have some Hidden Dark Message by ACCA and Ura ACCA affairs around Wonder Egg. |
Yunohi-kunFeb 3, 2021 10:34 AM
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| A lot of people are saying that Momoe may have rejected her friend because she is not into them, but I'd also like to make a point that is possible she might've thought that they only liked her because of her perceived traditional masculinity and 'boyishness' from the people around her (etc. the people she saved earlier) which is something she may not want. Went into this anime with not a single inkling of what it'd be about; was thoroughly intrigued and impressed by the first episode, esp the versatile art and animation. if it continues to develop well, it may just displace my top 3!! |
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| two minutes and all I'm getting is we really live in a gynocentric and simp soyciety. gynocentric because the poor little gurl expect everyone around her to be a simp and apprehend the molester for fucking free. we don't even live in a communist soyciety. and of course momo is gonna be the simp. maybe this is why in traditional times women are forbidden to go outside. maybe that's why? I dunno man. if they're gonna be all traumatized and shit like this then it's far better for them to be a youngster hikki. while I do think molesting is horrible, simping and white knighting is far worse imo. edit: 4:52 "just touch your wife" oh yes. the wife. the wife that cockblocks all men once they "got" the man into signing a death contract I mean marriage contract because there's no more reason to fulfill her end of the bargain. it's all the "muh best interest of the child" now. |
kidlat020Feb 3, 2021 11:09 AM
| >I had no brain when I was 12 >Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12 >I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12 >Therefore children cannot consent This is what science has done to humanity. |
Azenith said: kidlat020 said: two minutes and all I'm getting is we really live in a gynocentric and simp soyciety. gynocentric because the poor little gurl expect everyone around her to be a simp and apprehend the molester for fucking free. we don't even live in a communist soyciety. and of course momo is gonna be the simp. maybe this is why in traditional times women are forbidden to go outside. maybe that's why? I dunno man. if they're gonna be all traumatized and shit like this then it's far better for them to be a youngster hikki. while I do think molesting is horrible, simping and white knighting is far worse imo. edit: 4:52 "just touch your wife" oh yes. the wife. the wife that cockblocks all men once they "got" the man into signing a death contract I mean marriage contract because there's no more reason to fulfill her end of the bargain. it's all the "muh best interest of the child" now. Wtf is all this shit don't bother. never seen this dude make a coherent comment before. last time they went on a rant about how anti paedophilia laws are basically censorship and science is brainwashing us into thinking we shouldn't fuck kids or whatever the fuck that was. tried reporting that one with little success so now i'm just doing my best to ignore them |
| Terrible A part. showing off too much leads to confusion in plots and perspective. Battle scenes cost too much time, and the story rhythm is confusing. Does it make sense to switch perspectives back and forth between Ai and Momoe? Action scenes are still great tho. EP1 is so excellent that the quality of the next few episodes cannot follow up at all... |
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elany said: don't bother. never seen this dude make a coherent comment before. last time they went on a rant about how anti paedophilia laws are basically censorship and science is brainwashing us into thinking we shouldn't fuck kids or whatever the fuck that was. tried reporting that one with little success so now i'm just doing my best to ignore them you're so dependent on the system you willingly refuse to be unplugged. I have no more words left other than come back to this comment once you're 35 and the system has effectively thrown you away because you're no longer useful. |
| >I had no brain when I was 12 >Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12 >I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12 >Therefore children cannot consent This is what science has done to humanity. |
Azenith said: alm958 said: WTF was with that stuff about boys and girls suicides being different??? Men are goal oriented and women are emotionally oriented?? What does that even mean? I know multiple men who have commited suicide and to just brush it off as somehow lesser or different than women really pisses me off. I wouldn't get too offended. They weren't really downplaying anyone's suicide. They were making the observation that men and women (the majority of the time) take different paths to reach their conclusion. Men being goal orientated, means suicide is their goal as everything else around them has failed. Where as with women, they take a more emotional route, where suicide could be a spur of the moment during their heightened period of pain. Often times leading them to regret their decision of suicide. And resulting in the creation of this weird dream world that they are in. Basically all these egg girls regretted their decision, it's not saying that boys can't go there too. Anyway we don't even know what these egg people even are yet, or what they actually signify I actually have a clue on that one. it reminds me of how the lamestream media downplays and overplays certain things. one relevant example would be 1 in 4 suicides are female and the lamestream media is suddenly calling this like some kind of national crisis while they don't care about the 3 of 4 suicides are men. because they don't care about men. men are pigs. men are trash. and women can do everything a man can do with high heels and pregnant. that females need a man like a fish needs a bicycle. sounds familiar? |
| >I had no brain when I was 12 >Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12 >I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12 >Therefore children cannot consent This is what science has done to humanity. |
| I loved this episode. It's been said before but this anime is so pretty to watch. CloverWorks have done a great job with it. |
  🔥 🔥 🔥 . 阿良々木 暦, 傷 物 語 . 🔥 🔥 🔥 Build a man a fire and you'll warm him for a night but set a man on fire and you'll warm him for the rest of his life... - H E N D Y - |
| That punch to the gut of a beginning and the can of worms that Momoe's character is all in one episode, good lord. For an introductory episode, I liked the dabbling in the topic of womanhood by showing that Momoe not being conventionally feminine does not make her any less of a girl and she is more than in her right to feel uneasy about people wanting to box her in according to their own assumptions about her identity. I'll hold further judgement for now, as it's still quite early on. I just hope it doesn't completely derail from that particular point about gender and turns into some sort of well-intentioned but backhanded take on gender and sexuality. Those two gate-keepers were textbook examples of sexist rationale presented as intelectual, which actually seems to have been purposeful. The girls are really young and dealing with conflicting matters within themselves, it's no wonder they're easy targets for such a conversation with no rebuttals. The moment they said those things, I immediately envisioned the girls having some action packed moment in a later episode where they basically go "well, actually, that's a bunch of bs!". I'm glad to see the gang officially being all together! And bonding over pretty girls with nice necks and about Adam's apples, at that (love the range). |
| Well, all 4 main girls are here, now it's time to see what CloverWorks is really doing with this original! |
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| Veritable novels have been written about this by now, but. Speaking from a place of personal familiarity, I have to say that certain parts of Momoe's personality do mirror the trans experience to a pretty large extent. Not taking agency of your own gender, things like changing your voice, mannerisms and even pronouns depending on how you're perceived by other people, are all things I do as well. I feel a lot of trans folks early in their transition go through this phase of not wanting to upset other people and taking whatever you can get, even when it's not exactly what you want. And also plenty of enbies rolling with it bc it is what they want. However, all that being said, from everything we've seen so far, it does seem more likely that she's a cis girl dealing with issues of a different kind. All the focus on how she looks like a model and her insistence on how she looks better like this, how a more masc style suits her better, there's something there for sure. The model theory is not without merit, if she has to do it for a personal brand then that could be pretty interesting in itself and might not have that much of an overlap with Rika, whose damage seems to be more connected to parasocial relationships than her own expression of self. Oh well, like many others have said already, no point speculating about it at this moment, presently I'm just curious as to why she presents the way she does, since this seems to be what the show is actually interested in exploring. An unrelated aside, I said after the last episode that I no longer think that the girls they're saving are random and after this episode i'm even more convinced that they get "assigned" egg girls related to their own trauma. |
Ultrabook said: This possibility also came to mind, tbh. It seems like they're going to explore her being boyish and other girls being attracted to her (maybe smth related to "girl crushes"), though I'm not sure if it's actually going to be along the lines of "these girls like the idea of me looking like a boy, they don't like me for me and as a girl" (which would have been really interesting to see portrayed and discussed). Let's see how they handle her character, overall.A lot of people are saying that Momoe may have rejected her friend because she is not into them, but I'd also like to make a point that is possible she might've thought that they only liked her because of her perceived traditional masculinity and 'boyishness' from the people around her (etc. the people she saved earlier) which is something she may not want. |
chemicalcompound said: wuff_the_dog said: Momoe's battle with her gender really hit me, like a train, you could say. She wants to be seen as a girl so badly, and her liking women doesn't help. I can relate in an opposite way. She also wears such a big shirt, hiding her chest. I love her lots. This is an interpretation I hadn't considered, for sure. Maybe those feelings were mutual, but her stresses and truamas are in her way... I just want all of these characters to end up happy in the end omfg :') Yesss they all deserve so much happiness I love them all |
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