The Empty Box and Zeroth Maria (light novel)
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Dec 18, 2014 9:47 AM
#81
Dec 19, 2014 6:19 AM
#82
Cheeeeeeese said: Yes.The 7th volume is the last volume right? It was stated to be 40% complete a while back. |
Apr 4, 2015 3:56 AM
#83
While waiting for the almost finished vol 7, I'll bump this thread a bit. So, any news about what Eiji Mikage? Does he have any plan after HakoMari ends? Did other novel successfully make him a bit more poprar or his works are still as niche as always? |
Apr 8, 2015 6:26 AM
#84
Last I checked he said something about taking a break from writing light novels after finishing Hakomari, although he also mentioned that he might continue working on F-Rank depending on the readers' reaction. Also, apparently he's on vacation in Hawaii... |
Apr 9, 2015 9:16 PM
#85
I hope the vacation serves as a refreshing trip rather than a relief trip after writing a certain ending lol |
Apr 10, 2015 11:45 PM
#86
zeroyuki92 said: I hope the vacation serves as a refreshing trip rather than a relief trip after writing a certain ending lol Or that vacation might be his get away from angry Fans once they read Vol 7 mindf**kery ;D |
Apr 11, 2015 7:51 AM
#87
Not sure if the fans would be angry about being mindf*cked since vol 6 is already quite mindf*ked enough so I have no idea what could top that. We don't even have enough things left to be mindf*cked about lol. Especially when we have barely any characters left. I'm speculated in final volume we will see everything from Maria pov, since she has lost her memories and Kazuki isn't even protagonist material anymore lol. Now he (and O) are the only characters left who could serve as antagonist. Honestly I have no idea how he could write this last book, which probably is one of the reason we got long delay between 6 and 7. Brainstorming for this ending would be hellish. |
May 18, 2015 1:02 PM
#88
axeshizzle said: WHAT THE FUCK!? (I've just finished the 6th novel) so.... did Daiya die? I am in so much pain right now. how. WHAT THE FUCK ...... I don't even know anymore.. ... ... I still have a few questions left unanswered besides wether Daiya died or not. For instance, what was the part about Kiri and Daiya standing in a crimson river with garbage? also what was 'scene 4: Piercing at Fifteen 3/3' about? Why did Kazuki cut his hand? Also where did Karino suddenly come from? Why was she the owner of Wish-Crushing Cinema? (to me having Kiri being the owner seemed to make more sense.) when the fuck is the next novel coming out!? honestly during this novel and the previous one, I was rooting for Daiya and not for Kazuki. Also I thought when Kiri stabbed herself, she was using the fake knife and artificial blood. Considering the mental state Daiya was in, I bet he would have fallen for it. When it turned out she actually did stab herself I got really angry at Kazuki. He really is beyond help now. Also why did Daiya want to use Aya's flawed bliss in the end? I guess he got back at Kazuki, but considering Daiya I hardly think that was his motive. So now everything's fucked, Daiya's apparently dead (to which I bet Kiri would soon follow), Maria is no longer a player because she lost her memories of Kazuki (again, how exactly did that work?) and worst of all. Kazuki is willing to commit genocide in order to get Maria back. EVERYTHING'S FUCKED Utsuro no Hako to Zero no Maria is amazing but FUCK THE WRITER for leaving me hanging like this. I bet I this will leave me up tonight. (I'm gonna read Hakomari again..) I don't care that I can't read Japanese, I'm buying these novels! Hakomari is so good it HAS to be on my shelf. That cliffhanger is one of the best I have seen in my life ( Sadly ;( ) If we do a Daiya style brainstorm- Given Facts: 1. Maria doesn't know Hoshi/Maria. So whatever Hoshi has done is useless ;( 2. Daiya is alive!! Since he used the Flawed Bliss. Since his wish was to see Kokone. 3. Kazu doesn't have an everyday life or a Maria to protect anymore. He has nearly lost everything. ( He still has his sister for what that's worth ) 4. The people on Kazu's side - Yuuri. Yup none else. If he tried real hard I can see Haruaki coming to his side ( maybe even Kokone ) Obviously Iroha and Daiya are out of the question. So where does all this leave us? IN UNLIMITED DESPAIR. BEST CLIFFHANGER EVER. |
Jun 2, 2015 2:54 AM
#89
I just finished volumes 1-6 and I enjoyed them immensely :) I just hope Hakomari ends on a happy note... The only solution I could think of for Hakomari to end happily is for Maria to use her flawed bliss on Kazu. To save himself, Kazu must change his underlying nature, and by seeking help from Maria's flawed bliss, Kazu would do so. He would wish upon Maria's box to find the Zeroth Maria. This is a wish that Maria's box could grant because it already wished for its own destruction when it granted Kazu the powers of the empty box. Once he used Maria's box, Kazu would be absorbed into it, resolve his story with Nana Yanagi, learn more about Maria, and slowly regain his sanity, eventually finding the Zeroth Maria. As for Maria, Maria is affected by those she absorbs into her flawed bliss. For example, after absorbing Nana Yanagi, Maria sought Nana Yanagi's savior, Kazuki Hoshino. By absorbing Kazuki, Maria may begin to regain her memories, love herself, and turn back into the Zeroth Maria. Finally, the Zeroth Maria would wish for Kazu to use his empty box and destroy her flawed bliss. |
BriKunJun 2, 2015 6:16 AM
Jun 24, 2015 8:28 AM
#90
hakomari vol7 [url][/url] finally the suffer has ended but only the first part can someone translate the prologu 「さあ、最後の対決だ。星野一輝くん」 “O”は手を広げる。一輝をはっきりと見据え、その美しくも醜悪な顔を歪める。 「出来損ないの世界で幸せに過ごすといい」 星野一輝の無謀で孤独な闘いは続く。 “ゼロのマリア”を取り戻すために。 “O”が創り上げたこの世界は、あの時の“箱”と同じだ。3月2日という中途半端な時期に来た転校生から始まった“繰り返し”を司る箱。 ――マリア。僕は、箱に囚われた君を必ず取り戻す。 そして、結末がやってくる……。 |
Jun 30, 2015 11:49 PM
#91
WHERE IS MY GODDAMN ANIME ADAPTATION..?? |
Jul 1, 2015 6:17 AM
#92
I/we need a summary of the last volumes. It's been a while since I've read them and don't want to miss out anything related to the plot. I guess i'll have to read them again. |
Jul 28, 2015 12:36 AM
#93
Jul 28, 2015 12:55 PM
#94
It's faster than the deadline, so while I was so happy that it's finally released and translated very fast, now I need to pull an allnighter to finish the entire reread from vol 1 (started weeks ago but got stalled at vol 2). Just managed to finish volume 4 and somehow it's even more amazing than what I remembered back then. Starting vol 5 now... |
Jul 30, 2015 7:59 AM
#95
The best medium for telling the story of HakoMari would've been a visual novel, not a light novel, in my opinion. After all, a VN can replicate the LN prose and plot structure almost exactly, plus add on all the other benefits of the medium, such as music, visuals, and character voices. I mean, wouldn't it be awesome to actually hear and witness the insanity, with creepy-ass music in the background? :P That being said, time for me to get back into the story as well... I'm like a quarter of the way through Volume 5, and I must say that the translation seems better quality now, I appreciate it. |
LightBladeNovaJul 30, 2015 8:10 AM
"Beyond the veil of cherry blossom petals blown by the wind - almost like their promised reunion - Feelings pile up with the passage of time: once the torrent of emotions comes rushing down, what is the spectacle that awaits?" |
Jul 30, 2015 8:07 AM
#96
LightBladeNova said: The best medium for telling the story of Utsuro no Hako would've been a visual novel, not a light novel, in my opinion. After all, a VN can replicate the LN prose and plot structure almost exactly, plus add on all the other benefits of the medium, such as music, visuals, and character voices. I mean, wouldn't it be awesome to actually hear and witness the insanity? :P That being said, time for me to get back into the story as well... I'm like a quarter of the way through Volume 5, and I must say that the translation seems better quality now, I appreciate it. IIRC before writing LN Eiji Mikage indeed was a VN writer. I always felt that his writing was also influenced by that history, especially how he narrate things using atmosphere/emotional perspective. He also apply tropes which I saw more commonly in VN rather than in LN. That said, I want Hakomari VN. Someone should make it :p P.S just finished vol 7 too, amazing experience. Liriya-Kun said: I just finished volumes 1-6 and I enjoyed them immensely :) I just hope Hakomari ends on a happy note... The only solution I could think of for Hakomari to end happily is for Maria to use her flawed bliss on Kazu. To save himself, Kazu must change his underlying nature, and by seeking help from Maria's flawed bliss, Kazu would do so. He would wish upon Maria's box to find the Zeroth Maria. This is a wish that Maria's box could grant because it already wished for its own destruction when it granted Kazu the powers of the empty box. Once he used Maria's box, Kazu would be absorbed into it, resolve his story with Nana Yanagi, learn more about Maria, and slowly regain his sanity, eventually finding the Zeroth Maria. As for Maria, Maria is affected by those she absorbs into her flawed bliss. For example, after absorbing Nana Yanagi, Maria sought Nana Yanagi's savior, Kazuki Hoshino. By absorbing Kazuki, Maria may begin to regain her memories, love herself, and turn back into the Zeroth Maria. Finally, the Zeroth Maria would wish for Kazu to use his empty box and destroy her flawed bliss. About your prediction, it's funny that while indeed Kazu went inside Flawed bliss, but rather than slowly gaining sanity he went even more more and literally insane, and that's actually the way to safe maria. Without his insanity we will have no happy ending |
zeroyuki92Jul 30, 2015 8:15 AM
Jul 30, 2015 9:49 AM
#97
Do you happen to know what visual novels he's written? I'd be interested in checking them out if a translation happens to exist |
Jul 30, 2015 10:09 AM
#98
Drunkeagle said: Do you happen to know what visual novels he's written? I'd be interested in checking them out if a translation happens to exist Apparently, he has written Diorama under a different pen name (Eiji Kage). He is also mentioned in the credits of Hikoukigumo no Mukougawa for his assistance. (Both VNs are by FLAT) |
EusthEnoptEronJul 30, 2015 10:13 AM
Jul 30, 2015 1:13 PM
#99
I wouldn't like a HakoMari VN. HakoMari is a very imaginative novel. The choice of words is so unique and it creates this special atmosphere that's really hard to recreate outside of your own imagionation. It stimulates your brain to imagine the smell, the brightness, the shock, etc. And a VN would try - and certainly fail, to capture this feeling it gives off in a couple of CGs. It would only restrain what is otherwise a text full of unlimited potential for your imagination. That's what makes HakoMari such a special novel and why it wouldn't work in any other form, IMO. Also, Diorama sounds really interesting. Has anyone fortunate enough to be fluent in Japanese read it? |
TheHollowShrineJul 30, 2015 1:17 PM
Jul 30, 2015 4:54 PM
#100
TheHollowShrine said: I wouldn't like a HakoMari VN. HakoMari is a very imaginative novel. The choice of words is so unique and it creates this special atmosphere that's really hard to recreate outside of your own imagionation. It stimulates your brain to imagine the smell, the brightness, the shock, etc. And a VN would try - and certainly fail, to capture this feeling it gives off in a couple of CGs. It would only restrain what is otherwise a text full of unlimited potential for your imagination. That's what makes HakoMari such a special novel and why it wouldn't work in any other form, IMO. Also, Diorama sounds really interesting. Has anyone fortunate enough to be fluent in Japanese read it? I doubt you could say for sure it would certainly fail, but I can see your point I suppose. However, like zeroyuki92 said, it seems that Mikage's writing style carried over from VNs to LNs, so I don't see how it'd be impossible for him to recreate, or even improve, the story as a VN. |
"Beyond the veil of cherry blossom petals blown by the wind - almost like their promised reunion - Feelings pile up with the passage of time: once the torrent of emotions comes rushing down, what is the spectacle that awaits?" |
Jul 31, 2015 1:16 AM
#101
EusthEnoptEron said: interesting! thanks for linking them! I doubt I'll ever play either of them as I don't believe that a translation exists.Apparently, he has written Diorama under a different pen name (Eiji Kage). He is also mentioned in the credits of Hikoukigumo no Mukougawa for his assistance. (Both VNs are by FLAT) |
Jul 31, 2015 5:31 PM
#102
Read the first three volumes in Japanese (bought them like a year ago or so), then I realized it would be problematic to get the remaining volumes as it seems to be quite unpopular. I guess that's what happens when you have to wait for years between the volumes, so I ended up reading the translated versions of the remaining volumes. Hakomari had it's ups and downs but overall it was a pretty nice series. I can easily imagine Hakomari as a VN. The issue with VNs is just that they are much more expensive to make, especially if it includes voice acting (I'm not a big fan of reading VNs without it anyway) and then it would most likely have to be compensated by adding in random H scenes just to sell more copies. Most VNs also have to have mediocre side routes that I would rather avoid. The best part about paper novels is that most of the work is done by the author which gives him much more freedom than he would have in another medium which is what allows novels like this to be made in the first place. Making a VN adaptation would make little sense because at least I wouldn't feel like reading through it again just to have voice acting, music, backgrounds and sprites, better then to just make an anime adaptation (which I believe would be possible but financially nonviable). |
Aug 2, 2015 8:06 AM
#103
Anyone here played ZHP: unlosing ranger vs dark death evilman? Currently replaying it now... And one of the special head gears came from Hakomari. (Dengeki collaboration). Simply named, "box" low stats and no special skills though. XD Just added it to my extra armor sets. (I wish they added atleast some unique skill to it.) :) |
Aug 2, 2015 8:16 AM
#104
Well I guess that making it grant the distorted wish of the player would have probably been too much :P |
Aug 8, 2015 5:04 PM
#105
http://boards.4chan.org/a/thread/129235832 http://waneko.com.pl/karnawal-nowosci-waneko-tytuly-nr-5-i-6/#more-6737 Poland licenses HakoMari @@ My country definitely won't though, but at least there's hope for other countries |
Aug 9, 2015 5:50 AM
#106
Kuro_Kishi said: http://boards.4chan.org/a/thread/129235832 http://waneko.com.pl/karnawal-nowosci-waneko-tytuly-nr-5-i-6/#more-6737 Poland licenses HakoMari @@ And Gekkou :'( |
Aug 9, 2015 7:24 AM
#107
Seriously? Wow... And there's my country, that's only licensed Naruto, One Piece and Death Note... Man, I'm so jealous. |
Aug 9, 2015 1:58 PM
#108
First time i'm so proud that i'm from Poland. In the date of release (somewhere in February) i'll send you pictures of my copy :P |
Aug 9, 2015 3:53 PM
#109
TheHollowShrine said: Seriously? Wow... And there's my country, that's only licensed Naruto, One Piece and Death Note... Man, I'm so jealous. Poor you. My country did license Book girl, SAO and they're gonna do Spice and Wolf too. But considering HakoMari's fucked up level and its popularity, I doubt they're gonna do it though :) |
Aug 9, 2015 10:00 PM
#110
Do not worry. We have only All you need is Kill (First LN in Poland) and SAO. Soon there will be also Toradora and sth else. |
Oct 1, 2015 9:26 AM
#111
One thing this series really lacks is more SoL segments. Or maybe some whimsical adventures about dealing with less serious boxes. After all Kazuki says at the end of V1 that new boxes will continue to appear. But we only had 5 (Rino's doesn't count because it wasn't a problem they had to deal with). I mean for a series that turned into a love story it lacks some of the build-up. In V7 Kazuki mentions them going to places like cafe or karaoke numerous times, but it's never shown. You may think that SoL and fancervice are cancer, but parts like that are important, because they make you care more about serious parts. Too bad Mikage is so decisively done with the series and he will not write volumes 2.5 or 4.5 (not that anyone would buy a spin-off to already unpopular series). Oregairu kind of got me used to fun .5 volumes. |
Jan 29, 2016 10:29 AM
#112
Apparently, someone leaked MW Bunko's release schedule for March and with it, the tentative title and release date for Mikage's new novel: メディアワークス文庫 3/25発売 ●恋する殺人オーディション(仮) 【著:御影瑛路/絵:】 It's called "Koi suru Satsujin Audition" and is going to be released on March 25 under the MW Bunko label. |
EusthEnoptEronJan 29, 2016 10:56 AM
Jan 30, 2016 9:53 AM
#113
That's great! I hope we'll get more information regarding it soon. What does the title translate to though? Something about an audtion and a love murder? |
Jan 30, 2016 10:04 AM
#114
Hype! I thought Mikage was moving away from light novels, but perhaps he isn't. (Though the MW Bunko wikipedia page says: 'Authors who have moved on from light novels, even ones previously published under Dengeki Bunko, also are published under Media Works Bunko.' So who knows.) Anyways I'm excited for whatever this will be. |
Jan 31, 2016 2:29 AM
#115
EusthEnoptEron said: Apparently, someone leaked MW Bunko's release schedule for March and with it, the tentative title and release date for Mikage's new novel: メディアワークス文庫 3/25発売 ●恋する殺人オーディション(仮) 【著:御影瑛路/絵:】 It's called "Koi suru Satsujin Audition" and is going to be released on March 25 under the MW Bunko label. WOW That's cool; but why not Kodansha Taiga? =) Or it also will be sometimes?)) And, really, how translates the title?) Maybe, "Audition for loving murder"? =) |
Jan 31, 2016 4:46 AM
#116
Yeah, MW Bunko is somewhat of a border-line case, but I guess Mikage doesn't consider it a light novel label. Well, there are almost no pictures in their books and they have an older target audience, so he has a point. Nanamoto-sensei said: That's cool; but why not Kodansha Taiga? =) Or it also will be sometimes?)) And, really, how translates the title?) Maybe, "Audition for loving murder"? =) I believe he has another novel in the works that will be published under the Taiga label. Can't fathom at this point what the title might really mean, so I'll just read the book once it's out. :D |
Feb 4, 2016 2:27 AM
#117
Please tell us what do you think about the new series later, Eusth :D |
Feb 4, 2016 5:28 AM
#118
EusthEnoptEron said: Yeah, MW Bunko is somewhat of a border-line case, but I guess Mikage doesn't consider it a light novel label. Well, there are almost no pictures in their books and they have an older target audience, so he has a point. MW bunko is not a LN label per se, so he is correct. Although yes, MW bunko titles don't have any difference with LN labels titles except they're not LN in their definition. Nanamoto-sensei said: WOW That's cool; but why not Kodansha Taiga? =) Or it also will be sometimes?)) And, really, how translates the title?) Maybe, "Audition for loving murder"? =) Audition of a Murderer in love. |
Feb 4, 2016 6:09 AM
#119
Zefyris said: EusthEnoptEron said: Yeah, MW Bunko is somewhat of a border-line case, but I guess Mikage doesn't consider it a light novel label. Well, there are almost no pictures in their books and they have an older target audience, so he has a point. MW bunko is not a LN label per se, so he is correct. Although yes, MW bunko titles don't have any difference with LN labels titles except they're not LN in their definition. Nanamoto-sensei said: WOW That's cool; but why not Kodansha Taiga? =) Or it also will be sometimes?)) And, really, how translates the title?) Maybe, "Audition for loving murder"? =) Audition of a Murderer in love. Without "no" kanas it's difficult to place some prepositions :'D |
Feb 4, 2016 6:21 AM
#120
Nanamoto-sensei said: Zefyris said: EusthEnoptEron said: Yeah, MW Bunko is somewhat of a border-line case, but I guess Mikage doesn't consider it a light novel label. Well, there are almost no pictures in their books and they have an older target audience, so he has a point. MW bunko is not a LN label per se, so he is correct. Although yes, MW bunko titles don't have any difference with LN labels titles except they're not LN in their definition. Nanamoto-sensei said: WOW That's cool; but why not Kodansha Taiga? =) Or it also will be sometimes?)) And, really, how translates the title?) Maybe, "Audition for loving murder"? =) Audition of a Murderer in love. Without "no" kanas it's difficult to place some prepositions :'D More like, that's my limit in English there, maybe. If you mean an audition for something (like , an audition for a job) then you are correct on that point. I was correcting the "loving murder" part rather than the "for" part. Techincally, it can completely mean "audition for a murderer in love" if what's following the "for" here is what the audition is for and therefore researching (like, you're researching new talent, so "audition for new talent?"). If the use of "for" in english means this, then "Audition for (the job/position of/ to become) Murderer in love" could indeed be correct. Without any synopsis it's difficult to say. |
Feb 4, 2016 9:40 AM
#121
Zefyris said: Nanamoto-sensei said: Without "no" kanas it's difficult to place some prepositions :'D More like, that's my limit in English there, maybe. If you mean an audition for something (like , an audition for a job) then you are correct on that point. I was correcting the "loving murder" part rather than the "for" part. Techincally, it can completely mean "audition for a murderer in love" if what's following the "for" here is what the audition is for and therefore researching (like, you're researching new talent, so "audition for new talent?"). If the use of "for" in english means this, then "Audition for (the job/position of/ to become) Murderer in love" could indeed be correct. Without any synopsis it's difficult to say. The fact of it saying 殺人 and not 殺人鬼 makes me a bit wary. I'll refrain from any attempts to translate the title until I've read the book, especially since Mikage likes to give his books meaningful titles. |
Feb 4, 2016 9:50 AM
#122
EusthEnoptEron said: Zefyris said: Nanamoto-sensei said: Without "no" kanas it's difficult to place some prepositions :'D More like, that's my limit in English there, maybe. If you mean an audition for something (like , an audition for a job) then you are correct on that point. I was correcting the "loving murder" part rather than the "for" part. Techincally, it can completely mean "audition for a murderer in love" if what's following the "for" here is what the audition is for and therefore researching (like, you're researching new talent, so "audition for new talent?"). If the use of "for" in english means this, then "Audition for (the job/position of/ to become) Murderer in love" could indeed be correct. Without any synopsis it's difficult to say. The fact of it saying 殺人 and not 殺人鬼 makes me a bit wary. I'll refrain from any attempts to translate the title until I've read the book, especially since Mikage likes to give his books meaningful titles. True. And that's always the best choice indeed. not sure I like Mikage sensei enough to buy it, but definitely the best choice anyway, so we're counting on you! x). |
Feb 10, 2016 5:55 AM
#123
I've just got myself a polish copy of HakoMari ;3 If anyone wondering where to get it, check "Empik" stores. There were like 6 copies in a shop, where i bought it. It looks nicely. I'm not gonna read that now though, because i just finished the whole novel in english. Volume 2 will be on 6th april this year. I will buy it too. Sorry for bad quality photo ;_; |
Feb 13, 2016 3:08 PM
#124
Feb 17, 2016 12:39 PM
#125
I am so, so jealous. Damn. Also, really excited about the new book. Hope it turns out nice. |
May 10, 2016 9:13 AM
#126
Mikage sensei's new novel: http://mwbunko.com/978-4-04-865588-0/ |
Jun 9, 2016 4:02 AM
#127
I'm having trouble understanding the ending for the mystery of the boxes. Can anyone enlighten me with the origin/source of the supernatural phenomenon on the series? Where does the flawed bliss came from? How did Maria get her power to grant other's wishes? Thank you very much! oh and, Did they say "I love you" with each other? |
Jun 9, 2016 4:38 AM
#128
rxHysteria said: I'm having trouble understanding the ending for the mystery of the boxes. Can anyone enlighten me with the origin/source of the supernatural phenomenon on the series? Where does the flawed bliss came from? How did Maria get her power to grant other's wishes? Thank you very much! oh and, Did they say "I love you" with each other? you read vol 7 right? Go through her sister's backstory again(chapter 2). That's the source, where she wanted to be like her(that car scene iirc). "We are empty, both of us. But if we keep looking for our purpose, we will eventually be able to fill that void in our hearts. Let's make our purpose an enormous one, Maria. Let's make everyone in the world happy. If we succeed, everyone will need us," she said and whispered into my ears: "There will be a meaning to our birth." But it ended up a flawed bliss as you already know like what happened with mogi. Weren't they already officially a couple, so why not? XD |
removed-userJun 12, 2016 12:17 AM
Jun 12, 2016 12:04 AM
#129
Jul 18, 2017 3:40 PM
#130
I really need someone to clarify this ABSOLUTE SHIT for me. I've been reading Utsuro no hako to zero no maria lately(Heck,I read a volume per day),but then it came to Volume 3.... Don't get me wrong,I loved V3 at the beginning.Dayia played them like a puppeteer. But then it came to that guy who "raped" Yuuri and Maria. I want to know this since the rest of the volume was incredibly rushed(by me,lol.I jumped to the last page). Was Maria or Yuuri raped?... The answer will make me reconsider if I really should end this LN(it would be the first one,though). Yes,I'm one of those who find that rape scene(if there really was one) disgusting and uncalled for. That scene only made me give this volume a mark=4. I thought it would have been the best volume out of them all,but nope.That scene only made me so fucking angry.Maybe because the main heroine was in it. |
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