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Mar 9, 2013 4:32 PM
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Does anyone else find that kodaka stupid for not noticing anything that happens around him. The girls give so many signs that they like him and he doesnt notice a shit. it's as if he doesnt care for girls at all.

Oh and why havent they noticed the fact that they all are friends in the club? I thought it should be obvious by now.
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Mar 9, 2013 4:35 PM
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He notices a lot, I believe. Especialy if it's about Rika's scary.. character?

He's also a asocial guy who's never been in love before, ergo not possible to see the signs (also his mindset is friends before relationships, which is probably the reason stopping him from thinking any further).
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whenever the girls whisper something he always miss what they were trying to say
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He is harem MC. What would you expect?
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Mar 9, 2013 4:38 PM
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He's pretending to be dense.
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NeoAnkara said:
He is harem MC. What would you expect?


Yeah but its so simple and its exaggerated a lot, I think it could've been a lot more complicated. I think it could need some depth.
Mar 9, 2013 4:48 PM
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Deaq said:
NeoAnkara said:
He is harem MC. What would you expect?


Yeah but its so simple and its exaggerated a lot, I think it could've been a lot more complicated. I think it could need some depth.
The atmosphere will be ruined if this get more deep.
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Mar 9, 2013 5:48 PM
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A dense character is pretty much requirement for being MC in harem anime.

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Mar 9, 2013 5:52 PM
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He pretends to not notice Rika. So, couldn't it be possible he's doing the same with the others?
Mar 9, 2013 10:08 PM
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He is the straight man in this comedy troop. Wouldn't be as funny otherwise.
Mar 9, 2013 10:27 PM

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NeoAnkara said:
He is harem MC. What would you expect?


Ain't this the truth.

This is my TL;DR, sorry for the length. Its just after watching the last episode aired I can't hold it in any longer. Sorry for grammar mistakes I'm not very good with that.

What bothers me even more is that the whole premise of the show is based off them trying to make friends. But they are all too stupid to realize that THEY ARE ALREADY FRIENDS. I mean come on, get a clue already. I think, no, I know the whole cast is dense, not just the MC. The harem thing is really getting on my nerves. Season 1 at least gave the impression that it was one Yozora and Sena going after the MC. Rika and Yukimura we're just side characters. Rika acts like she loved the MC but it all felt like jokes. While Yukimura is Yukimura. It wasn't until this season came along and had to screw everything up. Not only did they bring those two, who we're perfectly capable not falling in love with the main C, but introduced a VARIETY of new women for the MC's harem. Why couldn't this story just be about the rivalry between Sena and Yozora. Why did this have to turn into a brainless harem. It disgusts me, why I'm still watching I don't know

Maybe I'm hoping the ending will bring some resolution or at least some decision by the MC. Owait this is a harem anime. Nothing's going to happen in the end. Maybe I'm hoping it will pull a Clannad and stop the harem in the end? Highly doubtful. No harem anime like this is that smart. Maybe I'm just wanting to see the train wreck. Highly possible, it is entertaining to see my brain cells fly out the window every time a new girl appears for the stupid MC's harem and continue to see the fact that they will never realize that they are friends. /sarcasm

I'd like to know everyones thoughts on this?

-Why wont they realize that they are friends?
-Why are they trying to make ever single freaking girl in love with the MC?
-Why is there no character development?
-Why is the MC so freaking dense, is he deaf or blind?
-Why is Rika toned down in S2 and replace with affection with love for the MC?
-Why is Maria's sister needed? because she's only breathing because of fanservice. She in no way strengthens maria's character (like she even has one to begin with.. but I'm getting ahead of myself)
-Why is this new rival to sena character needed? She's just gonna end up in the MC's harem
-Why is every freaking person becoming the MC's childhood friend? who's next Rika? What is this Oreshura? Sena was perfectly fine not having a link to the MC. Why the hell did it need to be this?
-Why wont the writers realize when enough is enough, before season 2 i was happy with giving s1 a 4/10 but with s2 as a 2/10. I might just go back and re-evaluate.
-Why am I even writing this? lol

This show as gone to hell
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Mar 10, 2013 1:57 AM

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I thought this has been spoiled enough in the episode dissucssions i will say it again

He does it on purpose he is not dense
Mar 10, 2013 1:58 AM

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Fuck off.
Mar 10, 2013 1:59 AM

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tsudecimo said:
I thought this has been spoiled enough in the episode dissucssions i will say it again

He does it on purpose he is not dense


Pretty much this.
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NeoAnkara said:
He is harem MC. What would you expect?
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Strange8 said:
He is the straight man in this comedy troop. Wouldn't be as funny otherwise.


With a little modification.
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Mar 10, 2013 6:06 AM
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NeoAnkara said:
He is harem MC. What would you expect?


This is one of the dumb mindsets that pisses me off. So just because it's a harem anime, the mc has to be dense? Yeah right!!! I admit most of them are but there are exceptions. Kodaka here and there is also the MC from OniAi. Try to view the characters properly before judging them.

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tsudecimo said:
zansabarshadow said:

snip

Fuck off.


Well excuse me for having an opinion to share. Moron.
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azzuRe said:
Strange8 said:
He is the straight man in this comedy troop. Wouldn't be as funny otherwise.


With a little modification.


cute.

I am being serious though. This isn't about a Harem requiring a dense man. Rather, his role is the straight-man in a comedy. By being a bit dense, sometimes insensitive, and sometimes thoroughly normal, he gives a contrast to the subtle, vulnerable and absurd actions of the girls. This helps the comedy.
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Unlike most Harem characters, he notices.

He at one point says that he's not interested in looking for a girlfriend; I forgot which episode that was in, but I believe Kate posed him that question.
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If he's stupid for not noticing what is happening around him then all of them are. I do get irritated at times myself, but him not "noticing" is a part of the story as much as none of them realizing that they're friends with each other is.

Also, maybe it's because no one has ever had a crush on him so he doesn't know how to take the hints? lol
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I think one of the problems with this discussion is that people forget that this is a constructed piece of entertainment. The characters cannot be judged on their own merit for the obvious reason that they don't exist, as much as we might enjoy thinking of them in that way when we identify with them.

Some stories focus heavily on character development and reflection. This show does that to a certain degree but it also allows the characters to be idiosyncratic for the sake of comedy. They go back and forth in doing this, which helps build the drama. The fortune telling scene was funny because of the idiosyncratic caricatures of the the people involved. It built drama because, afterwards Sena shows she is disappointed since she thought Yozora really got her as a friend, while Yozora takes note of that and even internally shows some surprise and possibly guilt.

Trying to analyze whether Kodaka is really dense or just pretending misses the point, in my opinion. At times, it serves the comedy to present him as idiosyncratically dense. At other times it serves the drama for him to be more aware of what is going on (or to still be dense). The writers seem more interested in creating comedic situations than developing consistent character development. But they also rework the comedic situations into slow, surprising and sometimes confusing character development.. I think it works. And when they decide to wrap up the show and build a dramatic climax they'll reframe Kodaka's "stupidity" however they think is most effective.
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If he's stupid for not noticing what is happening around him then all of them are. I do get irritated at times myself, but him not "noticing" is a part of the story as much as none of them realizing that they're friends with each other is.


Yup. It's all part of the story.
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I already spoiled it and said he is not dense and does it on purpose and pretend not to hear the girls and ignore their hints but i guess people don't know how to read...
Mar 14, 2013 12:20 AM

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As some people have already stated; Kodaka is not dense. He is feigning ignorance in order to not destroy the club, as he fully understands the consequences of pursuing one of the girls.
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Deaq said:
Does anyone else find that kodaka stupid for not noticing anything that happens around him. The girls give so many signs that they like him and he doesnt notice a shit. it's as if he doesnt care for girls at all.
Actually it is stupid to call him stupid. In fact he is being smart. Only by pretending he does not know or is not interested can he keep the club in one place.

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Trying to analyze whether Kodaka is really dense or just pretending misses the point, in my opinion. At times, it serves the comedy to present him as idiosyncratically dense. At other times it serves the drama for him to be more aware of what is going on (or to still be dense). The writers seem more interested in creating comedic situations than developing consistent character development. But they also rework the comedic situations into slow, surprising and sometimes confusing character development.. I think it works. And when they decide to wrap up the show and build a dramatic climax they'll reframe Kodaka's "stupidity" however they think is most effective.
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NeoAnkara said:
He is harem MC. What would you expect?

This
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Well, now we can see that he's not that stupid.
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He afraid he will destroy the relationship of the club members if he let them realize that he kow their feelings..+he currently not having any real romantic feelings to any of them,so he has to shut up..I believe Kodaka will take action since he is a responsible and caring character
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Kodaka is the first harem protag that I have heard of that pretends... Because if they found friends, the club would end or something like that, or they could really be influenced by Yozora.

That's why he's so interesting.
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Episode 10 already answered your question. We can close this thread now and enjoy a fantastic anime. ^_^
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Episode 10 already answered your question. We can close this thread now and enjoy a fantastic anime. ^_^
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I never understand this notion. It's a harem show that is on regular tv, so its not like he can just fuck them otherwise you have hentai.

He could choose, but that would piss off the fans of those girls who lost.

Or he could go out like a G like Makoto (MakoGAWD) on School Days.
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tsudecimo said:
I already spoiled it and said he is not dense and does it on purpose and pretend not to hear the girls and ignore their hints but i guess people don't know how to read...


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pretty typical for a male character in a harem
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pretty typical for a male character in a harem
The sad truth :(

I've seen a lot of harems and I'm still waiting to see one where the male lead actually accepts and pursues it.

Sekirei is the closest one that I've seen.
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Does nobody like to read?
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Red_Keys said:
Does nobody like to read?
Or watch the show for that matter.
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Red_Keys said:
Does nobody like to read?
Or watch the show for that matter.

IKR ? ...
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Kodaka's not stupid. Well, it doesn't matter anyway, since whatever he does, the Neighbor's Club will break down eventually.
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rsslayersr said:
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Does nobody like to read?
Or watch the show for that matter.
Huh? what?

There's still not much different between him and any other harem protag, even if he's pretending, both play the dense card
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Does nobody like to read?
Or watch the show for that matter.
]Huh? what?

There's still not much different between him and any other harem protag, even if he's pretending, both play the dense card

Being naturally dense and pretending to be is the same = MIND BLOWN

Let me break it to you the differnece between him and typical harem MCs :
1/ He is not dense and know about the feelings of the people around him.
2/ He doesn't have a love interest that he pursues but fail miserably at .
3/ He has a reason not to have a romantic relationship with any of the girls
4/ He is not perverted , wimpy or weak (check ep 3)

Those are enough to make him escape the label ''typical harem MC''
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tsudecimo said:
Monde11 said:
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Does nobody like to read?
Or watch the show for that matter.
]Huh? what?

There's still not much different between him and any other harem protag, even if he's pretending, both play the dense card

Being naturally dense and pretending to be is the same = MIND BLOWN

Let me break it to you the differnece between him and typical harem MCs :
1/ He is not dense and know about the feelings of the people around him.
2/ He doesn't have a love interest that he pursues but fail miserably at .
3/ He has a reason not to have a romantic relationship with any of the girls
4/ He is not perverted , wimpy or weak (check ep 3)

Those are enough to make him escape the label ''typical harem MC''
Read it again, I'm not talking about being weak, or having a love interest and I also didn't say he's a typical harem MC. I mean even if he's pretending, the characters actions aren't much different beside Kodaka being aware. I actually prefer the MC being clueless though, he does have his reasons and is aware of them liking him, but it's not doing wonders for his character and to me it's making him look like a coercive asshole who's hurting those around him much more than the naive idiot MC.
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Read it again, I'm not talking about being weak, or having a love interest and I also didn't say he's a typical harem MC. I mean even if he's pretending, the characters actions aren't much different beside Kodaka being aware. I actually prefer the MC being clueless though, he does have his reasons and is aware of them liking him, but it's not doing wonders for his character and to me it's making him look like a coercive asshole who's hurting those around him much more than the naive idiot MC.


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There's still not much different between him and any other harem protag


That's what you said when you quoted those people who are implying Kodaka is not stupid which the topic of this thread.(Other harem protag = typical harem leads it is the same meaning.)

First he is really not hurting anyone by pretending to be dense also it is gonna come into play when he decides to respond to this emotion in the future novels and it makes a difference because Rika knows he is pretending and that's gonna have a major role in their future relationship which you will see in the last episode next week.
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Kodaka is not stupid..
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At this point, people that still think that Kodaka is dense, are probably pretty dense themselves.
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Being ignorant is bad, but I think pretend to be ignorant is even more....
Its like a firefighter knows how to put out fire but refuse to do so lol
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tsudecimo said:
Monde11 said:
Read it again, I'm not talking about being weak, or having a love interest and I also didn't say he's a typical harem MC. I mean even if he's pretending, the characters actions aren't much different beside Kodaka being aware. I actually prefer the MC being clueless though, he does have his reasons and is aware of them liking him, but it's not doing wonders for his character and to me it's making him look like a coercive asshole who's hurting those around him much more than the naive idiot MC.


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There's still not much different between him and any other harem protag


That's what you said when you quoted those people who are implying Kodaka is not stupid which the topic of this thread.(Other harem protag = typical harem leads it is the same meaning.)

First he is really not hurting anyone by pretending to be dense also it is gonna come into play when he decides to respond to this emotion in the future novels and it makes a difference because Rika knows he is pretending and that's gonna have a major role in their future relationship which you will see in the last episode next week.
Not quite sure what you're getting at, I already made my point about Kodaka and other MC's. Yeah I know he's friends with Rika I've read spoilers up to the latest novel, maybe you're right it hasn't really hurt anyone YET, but it will. I preferred this show as a comedy...
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He knows he just hasn't made a decision.
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i know there probably many people before me who said this already but when i was reading this questing i just had a feeling to write cause its a stupid question that shouldn't even be a question if people payed attention to the anime this could be avoided.

really do people even read subtitles at all?? it was clearly said that he noticed there feelings all along but he pretended not to notice or hear them to avoid problems in the group. he is scared that the group will fall apart since all the girls love him. he thinks friends before love.

this doesn't take the fact away that i have to agree with the people who say he hurt the people around him more then a dense or idiot guy.
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