Shiina vs Aoyama

Serge91 said:

No, she isn't
Common sense? Are you reallly that blind? What about her question, about being depressed?
And... who cares about stress? Shiina's family is rich so what?
Where is the logic here?

I like Aoyama, but she isn't the only one who is under stress.
spacexplorer wrote about being famous artist...
Yeah!! I forgot, that famous people shouldn't be under stress! their life is so easy!
seriously how old are you?


I don't understand what reasons people have for liking Aoyama besides being attractive?
Overreacting
No common sense
stubborn

dchoy said:


I hate that though. For instance in Baka and Test. He should OBVIOUSLY end up with Shimada but they will probably just pair him with Mizuki. I mean sometimes the secondary character is way better than the main girl. I don't hate Shiina or Mizuki. I think both are great main character leads but at the same time, I think Aoyama and Shimada are perfect for their respective main characters as well.

Ragna92 said:


Yeah I hate that also. That's why I prefer stories with more than 1 main girl, like Ichigo 100% and Rumbling Hearts. What I don't like are love triangles or harems where it's obvious who the main character is going to end up with from episode 1, like Toradora.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
Amagami SS or Yosuga no Sora was also done nicely as they gave separate arcs for every heroine. Toradora was nicely done too. But some animes like Princess Lover! or Mashiro Iro ruined it for me in the end.

I am still hoping Akihisa will end up with Minami rather than Mizuki. Mizuki is way more annoying than Minami can ever be.

alexx_310 said:
Not going to quote anyone directly.

but the reason is quite obvious as to why Aoyama is so stubborn.
She does not want to seem weak, she pushes herself so much that it eventually caught up to her. Also if she is trying to prove to her parents that she does not need anyone elses help.... remember what she said about her leaving from her parents house? They don't pay for her rent.

This is quite hard for me to choose though since I like both Shiina and Aoyama though.

alexx_310 said:
Yep She takes on many things! She works, she practices her voice acting, she goes to school, and she even used to take on Mashiiro duty!

While all Shiina does is work on her manga and has someone else do her chores.. yes i know she doesn't know how to do it.

So what's your argument Shiina fans?

I'm not choosing sides I'm simply trying to get the outcome of eitherside, anyways

LEGOF said:
Aoyama. Shiina has some sort of autism.

gaiusbaltar22 said:


Do Aoyama fans always have to tear down Shiina just so their pick can look better?

HauntingShock said:

lol no need to be offended~ He just stated his opinion why he chose her. It's a forum afterall.
And he ddn't criticize other users.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
Dude you just saw one side of the coin...............those who picked Shinna bashed Aoyama for whatever reason too. Eye for an eye remeber!!! Please don't try to deny that.

RaiStorM said:
why the poll ? maybe cause tsundere vs. kuudere is always intersting ? ^^

Mini_Lancer said:


This. I hope that she wins also xP

To be honest I think that there are too many characters that are similar to Aoyama already... Shiina for a change!

gaiusbaltar22 said:


As a Shiina fan, I understand that Aoyama works hard, but the fact that she doesn't let anyone do anything for her comes off as annoying in the show. Oh, and she didn't have to take on Mashiro duty, she just wouldn't let Sorata do it at first, merely because of her belief that a guy shouldn't be doing that for a girl, which also came off as annoying. The main problem I have with Aoyama is how insufferable she is whenever Sorata is alone with Mashiro. I mean, it's so bad that Sorata almost won't let Shiina stay in his room because of how crazy Aoyama would get if she saw her there, and she does it all under the guise of it not being "proper", when you can tell that half of the reason she does it is because of jealousy.
She was also quite hypocrital when she told Sorata off for watching Mashiro sleep, yet a couple episodes later Aoyama herself is fishing for compliments about whether the swimsuit that she is wearing looks good or not. I don't hate her, but her hypocrisy tend to be a bit annoying.
I also understand that Shiina doesn't do her chores, but that seems like something that's supposed to come off as funny, which most of the times it does. And as you said, she doesn't know how. I'm pretty sure that as the show goes on, she will develop the ability to do all of that for herself. Also, Shiina working on her manga is a big thing. It is something she decided to do herself, going against what everyone else wanted her to do. It's not such a small thing, and that doesn't make Aoyama a better "character" merely because she takes on more things than Shiina does.

Z-flame said:
why do people say that Aoyama overreacts all the time? She's only overreacted like a few 4-5 times.

Z-flame said:
why do people say that Aoyama overreacts all the time? She's only overreacted like a few 4-5 times.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:


That's the only thing they can say about Aoyama anyway.............not like they have any other valid reason. Just goes to show she is a much better character than Shinna.

Btw the only thing changed for the main girl is that she has autism rather than being an airhead. Not that much of a difference here reused character just in a different way and the mains are most of the time the uninteresting ones!!!

SmilePlease said:

That's the only thing you can say about Shiina too, emotionless?what's more

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
I really i made a whole lot of points in my previous posts but let me ask you first...........why do you like her? She is cute? She has a great figure? She is a genius? Or because she is autistic? Or maybe the fan service? Admit it or not more than half the votes she got was because of her looks and fan service. I mean who wouldn't vote for a mysterious girl(?) who doesn't even have the sense to dress properly and walk around without panties unless someone tell her to put them on!!!

Compared to that Aoyama got the votes because of her personality and hardships rather than her looks. Sorata and Aoyama are 2 characters i come to respect very much. If you still wanna know what else i can say against Shinna then i will write a post later.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
why do you like her? She is cute? She has a great figure? She is a genius? Or because she is autistic? Or maybe the fan service? Admit it or not more than half the votes she got was because of her looks and fan service. I mean who wouldn't vote for a mysterious girl(?) who doesn't even have the sense to dress properly and walk around without panties unless someone tell her to put them on!!!

Z-flame said:
Complain because Aoyoma's hardships haven't been touch upon more. Complain because Aoyoma appears too much. There really isn't any middle ground for some people here.

gaiusbaltar22 said:

As a Shiina fan, I understand that Aoyama works hard, but the fact that she doesn't let anyone do anything for her comes off as annoying in the show. Oh, and she didn't have to take on Mashiro duty, she just wouldn't let Sorata do it at first, merely because of her belief that a guy shouldn't be doing that for a girl, which also came off as annoying.

gaiusbaltar22 said:

The main problem I have with Aoyama is how insufferable she is whenever Sorata is alone with Mashiro. I mean, it's so bad that Sorata almost won't let Shiina stay in his room because of how crazy Aoyama would get if she saw her there, and she does it all under the guise of it not being "proper", when you can tell that half of the reason she does it is because of jealousy.

gaiusbaltar22 said:

She was also quite hypocrital when she told Sorata off for watching Mashiro sleep, yet a couple episodes later Aoyama herself is fishing for compliments about whether the swimsuit that she is wearing looks good or not. I don't hate her, but her hypocrisy tend to be a bit annoying

gaiusbaltar22 said:

Also, Shiina working on her manga is a big thing. It is something she decided to do herself, going against what everyone else wanted her to do.

gaiusbaltar22 said:

First of all, Aoyama was the last one who forgot to wear panties, and I'm pretty sure that one of the main reasons that people like Aoyama is because of her looks, and also her tendency to embarrassingly blush. Plus, Aoyama's characterization is comparatively one-dimensional, though not completely, since she basically is partially defined by her exaggeratedly tsundere qualities.

gaiusbaltar22 said:

Not to mention, Aoyama's had the same amount, if not more, of fanservice as Mashiro. Did you not see the latest episode when Sorata walked into the bathroom and she was naked? In fact, that seems to be her main purpose lately, whereas Mashiro is actually developing as a character.

gaiusbaltar22 said:

As for me and the majority of others, it's not her looks or her "autism", which, by the way, is a complete misappropriation of her antisocial tendencies, that illustrate her as the better character. Mashiro has a much better personality than Aoyama. More often than not, Aoyama exhibits relatively annoying aspects of her personality, while still possessing a somewhat dull characterization as the normal character in the group, especially in comparison to Mashiro or Misaki. Mashiro, for instance, isn't brash or occasionally obnoxious, nor does she hypocritically overreact to Sorata's kindness towards other girls.

gaiusbaltar22 said:

Just because Mashiro is almost perfect at what she does, doesn't mean she is devoid of complex characterization. Mashiro typically has to work on her manga all through the night, which, of course, has been portrayed, similar to Aoyama's voice acting, as something that takes a lot of work to excel at. Even though she is an insanely talented artist, she still has to overcome considerable obstacles to achieve greatness with her manga. Also, it's ridiculous to assume that you're favorite character is miraculously chosen by everyone as the best because of legitimate reasons, while constantly dismissing the somehow impossible chance that those that favor Mashiro do so because of fully-formed reasons as well.

bastek66 said:

She's fucking perfect anime girl. What the hell is wrong with you applying IRL logic to anime?
Aoyama is literaly most generic character in this anime. And I hate suffering driven characters.

bastek66 said:
Aoyama is literaly most generic character in this anime. And I hate suffering driven characters.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
So that part of her makes her more charming, she has determination and pride. If that's annoying then you have a serious problem. Also taking care Mashiro was the right choice for the time being...........because Sorata was practically forced to take care of her and also starting to design a game. I hope you remember that or should i remind you?

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
So you are overlooking the fact that Shinna isn't disturbing Sorata by staying in his room all the time. Besides she got jealous sometimes but didn't your girl Shinna get jealous too and insisted on staying there? And she acts naturally in the recent episodes if you are watching carefully. Frankly you are butthurt because Shinna couldn't walk around pantless all the time.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
That's your point? Frankly its stupid, Aoyama can't get a few compliments from the guy she likes and Shinna can walk around half-naked all she wants? Besides Shinna was also fishing for attention right after her. Buddy you are the hypocrite. You don't like Aoyama but try to make some valid points.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
That point is completely gone after the latest episodes. Rita told her to draw manga and she was also successful at it. She is a genius.....be it painting or manga she is good at it. And no she didn't decide for herself. Honestly i couldn't stop laughing when i saw this point cuz you mistook Shinna and Manga for Aoyama and Voice Acting.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
Are you sure you are not mistaking Aoyama with Shinna again because those points can be said exactly for her.
First of all, Shinna was the one who forgot to wear everything except panties in the last episode, and I'm pretty sure that one of the main reasons that people like Shinna is because of her looks.....looks simlar doesn't it?

And pardon me what exaggeratedly tsundere qualities? She acted like that a few times........you really haven't seen much tsunderes have you? Not a surprise because most fans mistook Shinna for a Kuudere instead of a Dandere.....so stupid mistakes like that can happen.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
Seriously are you retarded or just watched the latest episode only? Want me give you a list of fan services used..........

Shinna ( ep1:19.00-21.00, ep3:17.20-19.00,ep11:5.42 )
Aoyama ( ep5:15.00,ep11:8.00-9.00 )

I am excluding episode 7 and 8 because they had the same amount of fan service for both. Also Aoyama forgot to bring a change compared to Shinna forgetting to wear it every time. Also i am not counting the countless time she goes to Sorata's room with just a shirt on. Sorata has to remind her most of the time. So your fan service logic is basically bs/invalid/nothing actually. Most of Shinna fans are looking at her fan service only not Aoyama. Get your facts straight.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
She has a personality? Sorry i wasn't aware. She is a blank state most of the time. Doesn't know what feeling are, doesn't know what success and failures are and also if it is anti-social tendencies(?) not autism then isn't it like she is making Sorata do her chores while she has all the time to do her work and walking around half-naked to seduce him? Your own logic contradicts you. Because it's a problem and she can nothing about it that's why i am not bashing her even worse about her personality. Sure she did change a little bit but that's all that happened till now.

Also doesn't over react???..................funny she was going around saying "Sorata no baka" for half of the episode, getting jealous of his sister and Aoyama and may i add that she added Ketchup to his face in the latest episode when Sorata was so damn tired after those sleepless nights because she was irritated.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
So when did i say Shinna doesn't work hard? You and some other fanboys/fangirls completely misunderstood my points. I was trying to say all Shinna does is draw her manga. She doesn't have to worry about anything else. Someone always takes care of her chore and other stuff. Compared to that Aoyama and Sorata has lot more to worried about. Aoyama does all her work, do part time jobs and Voice acting not to mention taking care of the dorm chores too. Same goes for Sorata.........taking care of Shinna, dorm chores, his cats, Game designing etc.

So when i person does several jobs and when another person does only one job at the same time...............its pretty normal the 2nd one would be successful because thats the only thing he/she is doing. And plz don't tell me only Shinna doesn't sleep all night long. Sorata had 4 sleepless nights too. Also you missed the part in the latest episode when Aoyama went to make snacks for them saying its the only thing she can do for them atm and that show how much she cares for them and wants to help them.

So i didn't say you have to like my favourite character nor did i say you have to hate your favourite character. I only said Aoyama is much better than Shinna as a person. But since the LN and Anime is focused on Shinna she will be chosen definitely.............so there isn't much to discuss about. But if all you can do is belittle a character with stupid reasons then that's another thing. As you can clearly see how wrong your points were........i hope so atleast.

Also the latest episodes are going to be more focused on Shinna so Aoyama won't be getting much spotlight in my opinion but saying she shouldn't be in the anime in complete stupidity. You don't like her fine but insult her for no reason at all and the same can be done for Shinna in many ways.

Also majority of the fans like Shinna because of her cuteness and fan service but i didn't say all of them. But weak points like that doesn't help. I mean its not her fault that other painters and Rita had to give up painting, its not her fault that someone has to take take care of her and its definitely not her fault that she doesn't understand human emotions. It can't be helped if she was born that way. Arguments similar to yours doesn't help much. Also i have been very rude in my post so i should probably apologize to you. I get carried way too easily but you are welcome to prove me wrong.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
So what's the point here? I hate perfect characters who get anything they wish and like characters who improve by struggling. Also Shinna is the more generic one they just replaced the normal airhead type with Autism.....

Takuan_Soho said:
You mean that Aoyama is the most normal character in this anime. She is the only character that hasn't been blessed with god given talent (even Sorata had success the second time he tried something he has only spent weeks learning) and who has also had to support herself in her drive to achieve her dreams. It isn't her "suffering" that people respect, it is her drive to make her dream a reality that people identify with and respect.

gaiusbaltar22 said:

I really haven't seen the majority of others liking Mashiro primarily because of her fanservice. There's certainly been some that do, but the same goes for those that prefer Aoyama. Although I don't really blame her, it is slightly Mashiro’s fault that she can’t understand others emotions and that she has to be taken care of, but it’s definitely not her fault that Rita and the other painters were so weak that they had to quit at the mere sight of someone better than them. Even if Mashiro did understand those emotions, the outcome would have been the same. She shouldn’t have to stop and wait for everyone else’s talent to catch up to her own. No problem; I wasn't really offended by anything you said.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:

Maybe i was a bit quick to judge. But i will point out some things. Aoyama acted like that during those few episodes but recently she is a lot more tolerant. She didn't over-react when she saw the fiasco with Rita, covered Sorata and Mashiro with a blanket.......if you need more then i can go through the episodes and tell you when and where. All i am trying to say the facts you say about Aoyama are all based on those 1-2 episodes when she over-reacted and lately she has changed and become more tolerant. She is a tsundere but not exaggeratedly tsundere as spme people are saying.

Also all of them were in swimsuits at that time and so Aoyama asking for some compliments isn't improper in any way as you are saying because she called it improper when Shinna went into Sorata's room wearing just a shirt. Get the situations straight. Also you saying that fan service is the only purpose is Aoyama is definitely wrong when Shiina has the larger amount of fan service from the first episode.

Btw are you saying Rita is weak? She is probably one of the best after Shiina, she was there with her for 10 years straight taking care of her and drawing non-stop but no matter what her hard work wasn't accepted by that dumbass Grandfather telling her to quit because she could never be as good as Shiina? I hope you can understand what kind of shock it was. I am not blaming Shiina because she was born that way and i am not telling you to like Rita either (you probably hate her). Yeah the outcome won't change but the fact that she can't understand their feelings makes it even worse.

I will be honest with you, even i was annoyed with Aoyama a bit in that episode but after knowing her circumstances, i came to respect and like her character way more than the main girl. I never said i hate Mashiro for her problem but Aoyama is the better choice at least in my opinion. Well there is a visual novel upcoming so everyone should be happy about their favorite girl.

@bastek66: Looks like you are only one here who watches anime. Well lucky you for being such a amazing person. Stop being full of yourself. I never said she is an airhead but if she didn't had Autism she would definitely be called one. You really can't deny that and it wasn't that hard to understand. Also you hating a character doesn't make him/her bad.