| It's not like i don't watch short animes. I loved Clannad more than any anime I've watched but I don't understand why people dislike bleach just for being long and for having fillers? The anime has some pretty spectacular fights and seems to me that the anime synchronizes all the arcs together pretty well. When i watch shorter animes i get sad because it ended and crave for more and thats why its nice to have an anime that you watch through your childhood, teenage, and young adult years before seeing it end. |
| Short answer: The anime went downhill after the end of the Soul Society Arc. |
| Because it sucks. No but seriously, its the same reason why everyone hates Naruto and One Piece and every other long mainstream Anime. The fillers and the stupid characters. |
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| The fillers suck, the fights drag on etc. |
| Because the plot is lackluster. Recycled, dragged out arcs. Bleach should of ended at Soul Society Arc. Also, it's called quality awareness. Watch more shows and you'll rapidly notice why Bleach is horrible. Everyone's entitled to their opinion though. Not like I care. Watch One Piece if you haven't. It's a "long" shounen done right. |
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OriginANIME said: Because it sucks. No but seriously, its the same reason why everyone hates Naruto and One Piece and every other long mainstream Anime. The fillers and the stupid characters. Except One Piece actually receives more love than hate. |
| Honestly you didn't need to make a thread about this, if you actually google your question, google comes up with 1.52million hits. There are a ton of reasons why people hate it. I personally don't even plan to watch it because I really dislike the art and character design. |
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| People often get frustrated when a quite mediocre show such as Bleach is so popular and renowned as being so great whereas there are many others much better. |
| I love Bleach! For people who complain about the fillers, theres a simple solution to it. Dont watch them! Also I think they should have ended with the death of Aizen. But oh well, I'll keep reading/watching it, because I love it! Minus the fillers that is. |
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Homolust said: You can take a look at my list and see that I've watched some high quality anime(fma, clannad, mushishi,anohana,baccano,kinos journey.) I've also watched titles that seem like crap to me like school days. But I don't understand how you could deny the epic feeling one gets with the aizen and ulquiorra fightsBecause the plot is lackluster. Recycled, dragged out arcs. Bleach should of ended at Soul Society Arc. Also, it's called quality awareness. Watch more shows and you'll rapidly notice why Bleach is horrible. Everyone's entitled to their opinion though. Not like I care. Watch One Piece if you haven't. It's a "long" shounen done right. |
CallMeChip said: I love Bleach! For people who complain about the fillers, theres a simple solution to it. Dont watch them! Also I think they should have ended with the death of Aizen. But oh well, I'll keep reading/watching it, because I love it! Minus the fillers that is. And while you're at it, you might as well skip bad episodes of any Anime. That way you'll love everything. |
Knave said: CallMeChip said: I love Bleach! For people who complain about the fillers, theres a simple solution to it. Dont watch them! Also I think they should have ended with the death of Aizen. But oh well, I'll keep reading/watching it, because I love it! Minus the fillers that is. And while you're at it, you might as well skip bad episodes of any Anime. That way you'll love everything. Maybe I will. ;) |
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Confucius said: Well most of those threads contain "OMGZ ICHIGO IS SOOO COOL WHY YOU HATE???!!" as the OPHonestly you didn't need to make a thread about this, if you actually google your question, google comes up with 1.52million hits. There are a ton of reasons why people hate it. I personally don't even plan to watch it because I really dislike the art and character design. |
| Because Shounen shows play out differently than other anime. For long runners like Bleach etc this means filler and drawn out fights and arcs. This tends to bore people, and usually when a show drags on people lose interest and pretty soon disinterest turns into hate. |
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Jrittmayer said: Well why do people bother watching that filler garbage anyway? People don't hate on shows for being off season, and that's how i regard the fillers.Because Shounen shows play out differently than other anime. For long runners like Bleach etc this means filler and drawn out fights and arcs. This tends to bore people, and usually when a show drags on people lose interest and pretty soon disinterest turns into hate. |
grandtheftsam said: Jrittmayer said: Well why do people bother watching that filler garbage anyway? People don't hate on shows for being off season, and that's how i regard the fillers.Because Shounen shows play out differently than other anime. For long runners like Bleach etc this means filler and drawn out fights and arcs. This tends to bore people, and usually when a show drags on people lose interest and pretty soon disinterest turns into hate. Because people are stupid. I thought that was obvious |
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| Depends on opinion. To be honest half of the hate you see are from fans from the Big 3. I've seen OP fans blast shit at Bleach, Naruto fans blast at OP and Bleach fans do the same thing. Another scenario is people try to get over-complicate with these animes when in reality they are just your generic shounen animes which can be watched and enjoyed by a wide variety of an audience. People start looking at these big 3 and start saying how much they suck (like Bleach for fillers and what-not) when in reality it's just your common simple shounen not trying to be over-complicated but be simple entertainment. Of course it's all a matter of personal taste as well. I've seen people who've hated on the Big 3 without even watching it, or fans of 1 of the big 3 hate on the others. It's a matter of one's opinion, some people are just more aggressive to get their opinion across then others. I for one enjoy One Piece and Bleach all the same. The Big 3 are just mainstream animes that were actually done right and got popular but every anime that goes as long as they have will surely have people who will dislike the anime as well. Anyone who complains about fillers wouldn't know the time and effort it takes for the makers to actually develop the story, it's simple just stop watching the show and come back when the filler arc is over. I'll be damn honest though.. One Piece: A bit slow in the beginning but when it picked up damn did it become amazing especially right now, it's going strong and man is it good. Bleach: Actually pretty good from beginning all the way up to the fight with Aizen. (Skipping the crappy bount arc and other fillers that is) Just became meh with this whole fullbring arc but it was still good. Just my opinion though.. BEHOLD THE LONGNESS OF MY COMMENT, IT KNOWS NO BOUNDS. |
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Ragix said: Depends on opinion. To be honest half of the hate you see are from fans from the Big 3. I've seen OP fans blast shit at Bleach, Naruto fans blast at OP and Bleach fans do the same thing. Another scenario is people try to get over-complicate with these animes when in reality they are just your generic shounen animes which can be watched and enjoyed by a wide variety of an audience. People start looking at these big 3 and start saying how much they suck (like Bleach for fillers and what-not) when in reality it's just your common simple shounen not trying to be over-complicated but be simple entertainment. Of course it's all a matter of personal taste as well. I've seen people who've hated on the Big 3 without even watching it, or fans of 1 of the big 3 hate on the others. It's a matter of one's opinion, some people are just more aggressive to get their opinion across then others. I for one enjoy One Piece and Bleach all the same. The Big 3 are just mainstream animes that were actually done right and got popular but every anime that goes as long as they have will surely have people who will dislike the anime as well. Anyone who complains about fillers wouldn't know the time and effort it takes for the makers to actually develop the story, it's simple just stop watching the show and come back when the filler arc is over. I'll be damn honest though.. One Piece: A bit slow in the beginning but when it picked up damn did it become amazing especially right now, it's going strong and man is it good. Bleach: Actually pretty good from beginning all the way up to the fight with Aizen. (Skipping the crappy bount arc and other fillers that is) Just became meh with this whole fullbring arc but it was still good. Just my opinion though.. BEHOLD THE LONGNESS OF MY COMMENT, IT KNOWS NO BOUNDS. Wow well said. Also off topic question: Is the fullbringer arc over in the manga yet? I'm excited to see what the next "big" problem is |
| Yes sir. The Fullbringer Arc is now over. They are taking another about 3-4 week break and will be starting the new arc then! It's been about... a week or two now since the break. So expect to see a new chapter perhaps early February! |
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| I don't so I wouldn't know... |
| Most of bleach haters are One Piece fans or Naruto fans. Its just a rivalry. |
| In my opinion, series shouldn't be to long or to short. Even though a long series like Bleach gives room for character/plot development, it makes the main plot drag on forever and have to many fillers that give no substance to the show. Leaving it's audience bored and fed-up. A short series that's between 12 and 26 episodes, get's straight to the point, and still developes the characters/plot very well. The only down side is that it sometimes leaves the audience wanting more. Shows like FMA, FMA:B, Death Note, Code Geass, Clannad, and more have the right amount of episode to leave their audience satisfied. Series should be at minimum between 35 and 100 episodes, maximum 200 (in my opinion). |
Another_Unknown said: Most of bleach haters are One Piece fans or Naruto fans. Its just a rivalry. No. Bleach is just a bad show and many people recognize that fact. It has nothing to do with the Big 3. |
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Homolust said: Thats obviously subjective because a lot of people seem to like BleachAnother_Unknown said: Most of bleach haters are One Piece fans or Naruto fans. Its just a rivalry. No. Bleach is just a bad show and many people recognize that fact. It has nothing to do with the Big 3. |
Hegemony said: the only good thing that came out of bleach: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wnE4vF9CQ4 nah, i'm just trollin'. but seriously, that leek spin gets me everytime. Interesting XD I dont know why I conintued to watch that haha |
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grandtheftsam said: Homolust said: Thats obviously subjective because a lot of people seem to like BleachAnother_Unknown said: Most of bleach haters are One Piece fans or Naruto fans. Its just a rivalry. No. Bleach is just a bad show and many people recognize that fact. It has nothing to do with the Big 3. Obviously, but to say that Bleach is solely hated just because it's a "rival" in the "Big 3" is absurd. |
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Homolust said: grandtheftsam said: Homolust said: Thats obviously subjective because a lot of people seem to like BleachAnother_Unknown said: Most of bleach haters are One Piece fans or Naruto fans. Its just a rivalry. No. Bleach is just a bad show and many people recognize that fact. It has nothing to do with the Big 3. Obviously, but to say that Bleach is solely hated just because it's a "rival" in the "Big 3" is absurd. That would be great but no one can "hate" bleach! After all as spoken by the words of Charlie Chaplin. "You are MEN, you don't hate, you have the love of humanity in your hearts, you don't hate.. Only the un-loved hate, the un-loved and the un-natural." Buahahahahaaha used the speech! Now back to leek spin... Everytime I listen to that video I keep thinking of porn... |
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Ragix said: After all as spoken by the words of Charlie Chaplin. "You are MEN, you don't hate, you have the love of humanity in your hearts, you don't hate.. Only the un-loved hate, the un-loved and the un-natural." <3 |
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| I'm not a hater of Bleach but I'm also not a lover, same goes for Naruto and well One Piece is just too long for me to get into when I see how many eps it has reached now XP....but I do have to say Bleach has one redeeming quality...it has some great music and introduced to me some great bands and singers :D |
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Another_Unknown said: agree as I saw it happened ><Most of bleach haters are One Piece fans or Naruto fans. Its just a rivalry. Still I enjoy the show and appreciate the work of the animation staff ^__^ |
Another_Unknown said: Most of bleach haters are One Piece fans or Naruto fans. Its just a rivalry. Nope. A lot of people hate Bleach simply because it, from an objective standpoint, is downright horrible. I'm not sure about the anime as I dropped it about 200 episodes in, but the manga is absolute shit. The writer bullshits and retcons, the characters are nought more than two dimensional cardboard cutouts and a lot of the stuff just doesn't make any sense. I think Chad has about three different explanations for his powers at this point... |
Another_Unknown said: Most of bleach haters are One Piece fans or Naruto fans. Its just a rivalry. Don't know about most. Your argument is purely based to assumptions. More than anything, I'm fan of quality. That would be the reason why I gave Bleach manga 1/10 and anime 2/10. Bleach is bad, that's a fact. It's nothing new that people like bad series, they just fail to admit/understand that the series they like is actually bad. Though, I don't know anyone who would seriously even claim such ridiculous bullshit about this not being bad. The real question should be why would anyone even like Bleach to begin with? It has good fight scenes, at least used to have, other than that it is one of the worst written series of all time and has terrible cast (only because of the writing, though, they used to be something better than terrible). There isn't much anything to enjoy about. Reason why I hate Bleach is that I loved it and it used to be my favorite series (when it was still readable, so around 6 years ago or so), then all the potential it had got wasted and all the real fans got raped in the ass. Kubo ruined the whole series, Bleach deserves all the hate it gets. |
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| As mentioned above, there are to many flaws in the storyline. If I recall correctly, when Ichigo went to save Rukia from death in Soul Society, they had to get over a wall in order to enter that Shinigami place. After that arc they all gained the ability to magically stand in the air. I don't know about the manga, but there are other flaws like Ashido Kanō getting abandoned even though Rukia said she'd help him out, or is it me with a bad memory? |
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| I fell asleep because of the cheesiness of the first two episodes. It's a miracle I actually started the second one. In all honesty, Naruto is a lot better than Bleach. I watched about 30 episodes of that before dropping it. Once fights start spanning several episodes it's time to throw in the towel. Only one anime is allowed to do that and that's DBZ. Freeza: "I'm going to destroy this planet in a few minutes" 14 episodes later Freeza: "Time is almost up!" Well considering most of the anime is made up of "powering up"... it's to be expected. |
| I wanted to like Bleach.... but it makes itself hard to watch. Especially after the soul society arc. Then everytime it starts to get good, and I'm getting into it, *BAM filler.... I just gave up. I don't like being punished for trying to like a show. |
| Someone here mentioned something like "quality awareness". It's not like the definition of quality is actually factual, it's more of a subjective matter, so the so-called "quality awareness" is pretty much just 2 words that doesn't mean much. It's all a matter of tastes and how the story and characters connect with your person: complex plots might entertain some people and bore others, so it's not like we can fairly and accurately judge the quality of something, since it's objective is to entertain. That said, the reason most people hate Bleach and other mainsteam shounen anime is the same reason some people bully others: it kindda makes 'em look cool. By 'pretending' they hate mainsteam shounen anime, they think they look 'superior' and more aware of what has quality and what hasn't. It's like hating Justin Bieber just because everyone hates: if u say u like Justin Bieber, most people who'll make fun of u don't necessarely hate him in reality. They might even like his music and/or find it quite catchy lol. Of course, there are exceptions,people who might actually, for some reason, really hate the show and/or the singer (some even by fatigue of the genre) Personally, i don't really like Bieber's music and/or the actual Bleach. Still, it's not like there's a reason for me to hate it. So why bash it? There's no deeper "meaning" for liking Mushishi instead of Bleach, no thing like "quality awareness", nothing. I just don't connect with the story at all. But i still love One Piece and like the first Naruto anime series, even after watching quite a lot of other anime. |
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SephirothIsHere said: But in this case Naruto and Bleach are not very good shows to begin with. They are popular because they build an a specific shonen appeal and they have characters that match. In terms of whatever they display on screen they are completely stock. In terms of quality, these anime do not deliver anything. There's a whole lot we can say which we can disagree on, but your statement that most people hate it because it is mainstream has nothing to do with proving quality of said anime. Your point is flawed since most people hate it because they thought it was stupid and are annoyed by it's popularity. In a sense they're trying to right a wrong that does not exist. It's more fun to make fun of naruto/bleach fans though. Easy targets I guess.Someone here mentioned something like "quality awareness". It's not like the definition of quality is actually factual, it's more of a subjective matter, so the so-called "quality awareness" is pretty much just 2 words that doesn't mean much. It's all a matter of tastes and how the story and characters connect with your person: complex plots might entertain some people and bore others, so it's not like we can fairly and accurately judge the quality of something, since it's objective is to entertain. That said, the reason most people hate Bleach and other mainsteam shounen anime is the same reason some people bully others: it kindda makes 'em look cool. By 'pretending' they hate mainsteam shounen anime, they think they look 'superior' and more aware of what has quality and what hasn't. It's like hating Justin Bieber just because everyone hates: if u say u like Justin Bieber, most people who'll make fun of u don't necessarely hate him in reality. They might even like his music and/or find it quite catchy lol. Of course, there are exceptions,people who might actually, for some reason, really hate the show and/or the singer (some even by fatigue of the genre) Personally, i don't really like Bieber's music and/or the actual Bleach. Still, it's not like there's a reason for me to hate it. So why bash it? There's no deeper "meaning" for liking Mushishi instead of Bleach, no thing like "quality awareness", nothing. I just don't connect with the story at all. But i still love One Piece and like the first Naruto anime series, even after watching quite a lot of other anime. |
| I don't think there's a single reason for "hating bleach" I'm sure everyone has different reasons. I just find it annoying to complain about fillers, its not like you have to watch them, I'm just over 80% of the Bleach audience skip the fillers its not a big deal. People always complain that Bleach is crappy after the Soul Society Arc, the reason for that is because Bleach's first filler is after that arc. Honestly the actual show is pretty entertaining even though there may not be a deep and enthralling story it every time I see Ichigo turn into a powerful entity I can't help but to pop one. |
| Bleach is poorly written so a lot of people hate on it's popularity, plenty of better anime's than bleach with not even half the success. |
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AeonsLegend said: But in this case Naruto and Bleach are not very good shows to begin with. They are popular because they build an a specific shonen appeal and they have characters that match. In terms of whatever they display on screen they are completely stock. In terms of quality, these anime do not deliver anything. They are popular because a lot of people like the shows. Every show delivers something, some people like it, some doesn't. In your (and a lot of people's) eyes the shows doesn't have quality, while for some other people the shows have quality. Defining it's lack of quality like a fact is not accurate, since "quality" (when aplied to stuff like shows) is subjective. AeonsLegend said: There's a whole lot we can say which we can disagree on, but your statement that most people hate it because it is mainstream has nothing to do with proving quality of said anime. Your point is flawed since most people hate it because they thought it was stupid and are annoyed by it's popularity. "Hating" and "disliking" are two different things. I'm talking about why most (not all) people "hate" on the show, not why people dislike it lol. My point would be flawed if i said everyone hates it for that reason :p |
| This show is kinda bit boring It looks like Yu Yu Hakusho |
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| maybe a lot of people hate the main characters so they can't enjoy Bleach and hate the show. I like Bleach because I love some of the characters so much that no matter how boring or sucks it had became, I still continue watching it. The only main character that I dislike so far is Orihime and Ichigo. But I love Rukia and Renji, and Byakuya, Hitsugaya and my ultimate favorite, Ulquiorra. Well, I started to lost interest in Bleach after Ulquiorra died, but since I already so fond of so many characters in Bleach, I can't help but to come back. So, I'm not surprised if a lot of people drop Bleach, because I'm sure it because there were no character that pleased them or good enough to keep them watching. I will probably do the same if I didn't have any fav character in Bleach. If you haven't watch Bleach, I recommend to watch it without the fillers and stop watching it after Aizen defeated. |
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Valaskjalf said: Short answer: The anime went downhill after the end of the Soul Society Arc. This! |
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Shibunari said: Valaskjalf said: Short answer: The anime went downhill after the end of the Soul Society Arc. This! This and even until the middle of the Arracar's invasion arc it was still enjoyable.But Ichigo had to get stronger after each fight like a Saiyan for no reason at all.Then they beat Aizen and instead of ending the story Kubo decided to add Fullbrings and a "Final" war for no reason whatsoever apart from making Ichigo even stronger and "killing" off characters(I am damn sure Byakuya isnt dead). And why the fuck didnt Yamamoto TRY to use his Bankai against Aizen.Since he sacrificed an arm to do absolutely nothing to him he could have done that and end this ridiculous battle. Vasto Lorde were supposed to be CAPTAIN lvl and stronger.Obviously someone forgot what the fuck he was writing about. Also the animation it had till the fight with Grimmjow ended was SO MUCH better than the supposed dark style and "movie" quality the series was filled later. There are A LOT of thing I would like ti say but I am sure other pointed out already. |
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