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Apr 22, 2011 9:02 AM
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Took this from 4chan.
Madoka became an entity that goes around and saves Magical Girls so that when they die, they get escorted by her to Magical Girl Heaven, a’la Sayaka. She does this spanning the past, present and future. Madoka did not get rid of all the evils in the world, but she made it much better place. Anything else would require the complete eradication of all bad things ever, and would basically require the human race to be emotionless. Because emotions still exist, bad feelings still exist and they now take the form of the Demons. Magical Girls fight them to protect people. Soul Gems are now cleaned by those Cubes dropped by Demons. Homura was seen feeding a few to QB. When a Soul Gem reaches critical mass for whatever reason, i.e. being defeated, not defeating enough Demons and getting their Cubes, Madoka appears and takes the girl away. For those of you arguing that this is a bullshit ending and that nothing changed, I would argue that an ending where everyone was happy and everything was solved forever is bullshit. For who ask why nobody made a wish like this before, this was explained in episode 11, because of the time loop, Madoka has powers that can break the rules and limits on wish making.
Mami, Kyoko and Homura were fighting a DEMON WITH Sayaka, not AGAINST her. Sayaka used up all her energy in the assault, thus Madoka came for her and took her to Magical Girl Heaven
Homura’s powers may be different from every other Magical Girl’s because she was removed, at least in part, from the reformatting of the world. There is no trace of the existence of Madoka in the new world, save for Madoka’s ribbons which Homura currently wears, this alone is proof that her existence is different. This could explain why Homura is seen with Witch like powers. Conversely, it could be that in this new world, ALL Magical Girls have powers that look like that since there are no more Witches.
To the best of my knowledge, there was no implied religious/DEEP style ending. Madoka is not Evangelion or any other show you might compare it too. This explanation should stand on its own.
If you were disappointed with the ending because it felt like nothing changed, then you didn’t understand it and I hope this helped
If you did understand all this and still felt disappointed at the ending, well I am sorry you did not enjoy it. You can hope for a Season 2.
Wait.
So even if Magical Girls and Witches didn’t exist there would still be a enemy born from negative emotions? Yes those demons you saw
not OP, but to put it simply, now the girls know what there end is, and they don’t have to fear becoming monsters. Basically she grants them death. Being a magical girl isn’t supposed to be fun and games.
So this means even if the Incubators never came to the Earth negative emotions will still make monsters that kill us all. Yes Essentially.
Yes, and without the Incubators making magical girls to deal with those emotions, mankind would never have been able to progress
for the Homura thing, in the post-apocalytpic world, she’s going into her final battle where she meets her demise, which is why you hear Madoka because they finally reunite. But alot of it is up to your own interpretation
OP here, I’m not so sure about this part. For one thing it looked more like those Demons were about to get fucked up. Keep in mind that she could have just been fighting in a desolate place like a desert somewhere, the kind that exist all over the world in DBZ. Also Madoka talking to her is not necessarily a sign of her demise, as one removed from the world, she and Madoka have a connection, through the hair ribbons, and also the fact that they were the only two in the rainbow world while the reformatting was going on. So its possible Madoka just says “Hey” once in a while.
That IS why they were created. The Incubators harvested energy from the process of girls being flung into utter despair, which occurred when they became witches. Without witches, they have no way to harvest energy, and thus Madoka causes the heat death of the universe. I’m going to assume she doesn’t want that.
So either the demons are natural manifestations of grief that happen since witches don’t exist, or they’re manifestations of the massive amount of grief that Madoka herself took on. My guess is the first one, but the second is plausible.
Exactly. It’s not like Kyubey technically made witches, since they spawned naturally as well as from mahou shoujo. He didn’t create the methods to harvest energy, he just used them.
> For who ask why nobody made a wish like this before, this was explained in episode 11, because of the time loop, Madoka has powers that can break the rules and limits on wish making.
> because of the time loop
every time homura failed to save madoka the karmic weight that madoka has rose until it got to retarded levels and she could make a wish like that, as her wish and becoming a magical girl affected multiple time lines in the end.
Apr 22, 2011 9:10 AM
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Apr 22, 2011 9:23 AM
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I agree, except on one part: the witch-like wings.
The argument that now all of them have witch like powers is not a bad one, but is denied by the fact that earlier in the episode, Homura's wings are white angel wings.
"Tonight, I sit in the eye of the storm. As fire boils around me, I press forward, winds and lightning lashing my wings. I am no match for what I face. Yet I will not back down, and though fear may place it's stranglehold on my heart, courage will see me through. With tears in my eyes, I hit full throttle. My engines become an inferno, and my weapons light up, awaiting my command.

If I die tonight, I will do so fighting for everything I believe in."


Apr 22, 2011 9:30 AM
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Apr 26, 2011 11:42 PM
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BrickBreak said:
I agree, except on one part: the witch-like wings.
The argument that now all of them have witch like powers is not a bad one, but is denied by the fact that earlier in the episode, Homura's wings are white angel wings.


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Apr 29, 2011 1:59 AM
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at episode 12 there's a scene where Madoka met Kyoko and Mami in Mami's apartment and talked about Madoka's wish (then Mami returns Madoka's costume sketchbook).

but not so long after that, there's this scene where Kyoko and Mami questioned "who's Madoka?"

so when does the scene at the apartment took place in the chronology?

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Apr 29, 2011 2:04 AM
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wishbook said:
at episode 12 there's a scene where Madoka met Kyoko and Mami in Mami's apartment and talked about Madoka's wish (then Mami returns Madoka's costume sketchbook).

but not so long after that, there's this scene where Kyoko and Mami questioned "who's Madoka?"

so when does the scene at the apartment took place in the chronology?


it's an Evangelion-like symbolism talk about her making a decision, if you've watch many shows you'll clearly see some with that,
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Apr 30, 2011 1:03 AM
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AmberFebruary said:
wishbook said:
at episode 12 there's a scene where Madoka met Kyoko and Mami in Mami's apartment and talked about Madoka's wish (then Mami returns Madoka's costume sketchbook).

but not so long after that, there's this scene where Kyoko and Mami questioned "who's Madoka?"

so when does the scene at the apartment took place in the chronology?


it's an Evangelion-like symbolism talk about her making a decision, if you've watch many shows you'll clearly see some with that,
You could also say she was talking to the dead Mami and Kyouko from the old universe. The only people from the old universe that pass on to the new one are Homura and Goddess Madoka.

Apr 30, 2011 5:10 AM
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Leon-Gun said:
AmberFebruary said:
wishbook said:
at episode 12 there's a scene where Madoka met Kyoko and Mami in Mami's apartment and talked about Madoka's wish (then Mami returns Madoka's costume sketchbook).

but not so long after that, there's this scene where Kyoko and Mami questioned "who's Madoka?"

so when does the scene at the apartment took place in the chronology?


it's an Evangelion-like symbolism talk about her making a decision, if you've watch many shows you'll clearly see some with that,
You could also say she was talking to the dead Mami and Kyouko from the old universe. The only people from the old universe that pass on to the new one are Homura and Goddess Madoka.
Those weren't Mami and Kyouko, just mere representations of them in Madoka's mind. After seeing what happened to Mami when she discovered they turned into witches, seeing her calmly talk about it over tea seems out of character.
"Tonight, I sit in the eye of the storm. As fire boils around me, I press forward, winds and lightning lashing my wings. I am no match for what I face. Yet I will not back down, and though fear may place it's stranglehold on my heart, courage will see me through. With tears in my eyes, I hit full throttle. My engines become an inferno, and my weapons light up, awaiting my command.

If I die tonight, I will do so fighting for everything I believe in."


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BrickBreak said:
Those weren't Mami and Kyouko, just mere representations of them in Madoka's mind. After seeing what happened to Mami when she discovered they turned into witches, seeing her calmly talk about it over tea seems out of character.
Perhaps, I was merely stating a possibility though.

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Leon-Gun said:
BrickBreak said:
Those weren't Mami and Kyouko, just mere representations of them in Madoka's mind. After seeing what happened to Mami when she discovered they turned into witches, seeing her calmly talk about it over tea seems out of character.
Perhaps, I was merely stating a possibility though.
Of course, I was just adding my opinion to the quote pyramid :P
"Tonight, I sit in the eye of the storm. As fire boils around me, I press forward, winds and lightning lashing my wings. I am no match for what I face. Yet I will not back down, and though fear may place it's stranglehold on my heart, courage will see me through. With tears in my eyes, I hit full throttle. My engines become an inferno, and my weapons light up, awaiting my command.

If I die tonight, I will do so fighting for everything I believe in."


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BrickBreak said:
Leon-Gun said:
BrickBreak said:
Those weren't Mami and Kyouko, just mere representations of them in Madoka's mind. After seeing what happened to Mami when she discovered they turned into witches, seeing her calmly talk about it over tea seems out of character.
Perhaps, I was merely stating a possibility though.
Of course, I was just adding my opinion to the quote pyramid :P
Heh it's ok, even if it did happen or it was mere images to illustrate to the viewer what happened the end result is the same though. The old universe gets rewritten and only Madoka and Homura remain from the old world. Although, I'm with several people in the idea that Homura remains mainly because of her powers. She can travel through alternate realities so of course she was allowed to once again jump, this time to Madoka's new world.

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Leon-Gun said:
BrickBreak said:
Leon-Gun said:
BrickBreak said:
Those weren't Mami and Kyouko, just mere representations of them in Madoka's mind. After seeing what happened to Mami when she discovered they turned into witches, seeing her calmly talk about it over tea seems out of character.
Perhaps, I was merely stating a possibility though.
Of course, I was just adding my opinion to the quote pyramid :P
Heh it's ok, even if it did happen or it was mere images to illustrate to the viewer what happened the end result is the same though. The old universe gets rewritten and only Madoka and Homura remain from the old world. Although, I'm with several people in the idea that Homura remains mainly because of her powers. She can travel through alternate realities so of course she was allowed to once again jump, this time to Madoka's new world.
I agree, although it still bugs me a bit: Homura is capable of travelling through time, but through dimensions and universes? Suspicious...
"Tonight, I sit in the eye of the storm. As fire boils around me, I press forward, winds and lightning lashing my wings. I am no match for what I face. Yet I will not back down, and though fear may place it's stranglehold on my heart, courage will see me through. With tears in my eyes, I hit full throttle. My engines become an inferno, and my weapons light up, awaiting my command.

If I die tonight, I will do so fighting for everything I believe in."


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BrickBreak said:
I agree, although it still bugs me a bit: Homura is capable of travelling through time, but through dimensions and universes? Suspicious...
The most suspicious part is the complete disregard of the Butterfly Effect really. I think that Homura and QB both say that technically Homura is not traveling through time but through alternative realities so it's less of a stretch. The new world being exactly the same minus Madoka and witches though, that's the fishy part.

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Like many people have said, this is an amazing ending to an amazing show.

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