dtshyk said: The regulation will be enforced on July 1st 2011. atleast Panty and Stocking anime will continue to air until the end but aside from that good news for this im sick of Loli's XD |
| Move away from tokyo. Done. |
| This is probably one of the shittest thing I've heard ever in my life. Shame on you, Tokyo. At least, it will be still better than regulations in Korea, where 'EVERYTHING' is regulated and censored. |
ringoo4Dec 13, 2010 5:26 AM
| I was afraid of this happening....not the best news to wake up to in the morning, I'll tell you that much. While I can sort of understand the need to keep certain things out of the hands of minors....but I can't see this as anything more than self-castration for the industry. *sigh* I'll be re-reading this. Let's hope for something to fix this issue guys. |
| So... if Shakespeare were a Japanese mangaka... we wouldn't have an anime adaptation of Romeo and Juliet, right? I mean, they -were- teenagers, and then there's the end... well, that can't be healthy, right? tl;dr: By slashing such controversial themes, you essentially restrict the creative abilities of authors, either through actual restriction of action or through resultant self-censorship, severely limiting the range of conflict available for plot (or other) development. Although perhaps a seemingly good idea at first, the inability to even investigate such themes in all but the most unambiguous of perspectives, if even that, removes even the ability to consider the moral dilemmas posed. Having only one potential conclusion, there cannot be any dilemma. It's not, "I love her. Wait... she's my sister? But... what do I do? These feelings don't just go away. I'm so conflicted!" it's more like "I love her. Oh, she's actually my sister. It's all right, I don't love her anymore. Tokyo says I can't." If it were just a restriction on explicit or borderline explicit visuals, then it might make more sense—i.e., in the case of hentai. After all, in many places pornography is restricted to those deemed adults. But themes? Yikes. Regardless of your personal tastes, I think it's fairly clear that controversial topics are easier to create conflict with. The moral, social, and other dilemmas posed by topics such as incest and other forms of generally taboo sexuality can create, well, real dilemmas. Just think: (possible spoilers if you have any idea what series I'm talking about or can guess what I'm getting at) But who knows, maybe everyone will migrate to the web. I don't know how successful pay-streaming sites are in Japan, or even in the US, for that matter, but if it enables studios to at least partially circumvent the bill... -ponders- Believe it or not, I left out a lot in the interest of brevity. Suffice it to say that, regardless of who is -directly- affected, the tightening down on the industry strikes me as likely to put a lot of mangaka, and thus seiyuus and anime studios, either hard up for material, completely out of business, or in for some extreme competition. Or maybe we'll be drowning in an ocean of moe. Afterthought: (concerning ecchi) |
| Well going to looks at this in a positive light, perhaps this will mean the end of the schoolgirl moe bullcrap and they will restart making anime like in the old days. |
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| well if yuri and ecchi are dropped then I finally can stop having interest in anime :P too bad that this probably means the end for a lot of series, including sayonara zetsubou sensei due to the materials they work with. btw I've heard that they plan on banning school uniforms with this law. Since it can point to characters being underage even though the author would say otherwise in it. Also probably going to hit violence hard. Berserk probably cancelled. Edit: Merged posts. You can edit any previously made posts by clicking 'edit' at the bottom right. |
desolatoDec 13, 2010 8:59 AM
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| i have a bad feeling about this |
| It is actually shocking that they think this is gonna pass easily . They don't even bother explaining everything instead they use "etc" everywhere so it's up to us to use our imagination >_> *sarcasm* Have they actually thought the consequences of what they are doing ? What harmful youth ? If they want to protect it , they should find better measures than ruin a whole industry that A LOT of ppl care abt it . I can't wait to see the opposition to this bill when the ppl get seriously angry . |
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Merril said: http://dankanemitsu.wordpress.com/2010/12/10/crunch-time-three-days-until-bill-156s-fate-is-determined/ i skimmed through that and for what i understand all IMMORAL sexual depictions on a anime and manga will be labeled as adult material so its not as bad as i thought because i thought that they will ban all upcoming anime that has ecchi and loli tag im all for this law then this will lessen the bad image of anime/manga and the whole of japan too and i can see good anime will be made again rather than all the moe and loli we see today |
degDec 13, 2010 5:39 AM
| Like others said the ecchi thing won't be affected, instead the anime that have a darker story like full metal alchemist, code geass and so on will be. Seinen mangas will go to a adult store and some of them will even get canceled since no magazine will keep publishing them. There goes my Berserk adaptation. |
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| Egypt fell... Babylon fell... Rome fell... ANIME has fallen... Say goodbye to the empire that was ANIME, after this, you can expect all kinds of nonsense. I suggest all of you guys to download and keep any and all anime from the past that this bill will now ban... I would like everyone to read the following: This is straight from Sankaku: "The most immediate and direct effect of the law will almost certainly be to see ecchi manga such as To Love-Ru, bishoujo titles such as Champion Red and most BL manga, as well as any seinen manga with especially mature themes, banned from general sales – presumably most will then be cancelled due to a lack of suitable magazine or tankobon distribution channels, with a few perhaps being resurrected as 18+ ero-manga." This shit is real people... |
--ALEX--Dec 13, 2010 5:53 AM
| It's a good thing I already "acquired" pretty much all the anime that I care to have. I'm really curious to see how the summer 2011 anime lineup will be affected by this law. |
| I don't want to frighten people here, but that law has passed and just need to be approved on Plenary session this wednesday. I don't know how this shit will turn, but it can easily affect anime companies outside Japan. |
| Why does shit like this always have to happen in my generation. Nah, hopefully it doesn't affect much. |
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| Politics in Japan equals the big companies of Japan. If they pass this law, its probably because the industry thinks that they will sell more on the wordwide market if they make their policy more american (thus more censorship). |
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| Does this apply to manga or anime? |
pietel said: Politics in Japan equals the big companies of Japan. If they pass this law, its probably because the industry thinks that they will sell more on the wordwide market if they make their policy more american (thus more censorship). i'd believe that if the bill covered visual content (no more boobs) but it covers subject content, which is bullshit i hope the bill takes effect, something goes horribly, horribly wrong (like every anime/manga company just ditching tokyo) and the government just sitting there like WTF happened!? |
Supergrunt8 said: Does this apply to manga or anime? both, and video games to be exact it covers all fictional characters that are visualized through animation of any kind so not characters in books or roles played in movie |
no...the aim is to put adult label on all anime/manga that show illegal sexual acts (illegal under jap law) in a positive/glorified way. I dont remember that happening in Naruto or FMA B. Since this only affects tokyo my guess is that all the publishers will try moving out of the city lol I dont know. I think the aim seems to be to separate two waters that have been running in the same stream in the last couple of years. From my understanding of it, being homosexual or having homosexual feelings should not be illegal under japanese criminal law...I think the emphasis here is a showing breach of such illegal acts in a positive way. Thats what the bill is targeting. Now if the gay characters indulged in behavior that was blatantly sexual that is something else. I think there are many ways to show a relationship without going into the 'explicit zone'. But then, I agree with the vagueness part, thats whats making everybody hysterical. Personally, we cant make a sure judgment unless we see for ourselves what they're actually going to do with this law. now this is the sort of overreaction I'm talking about. I highly doubt most of the mainstream stuff people have been mentioning is going to get regulated. |
| "...our faces marked by toil, by deceptions, by success, by love; our weary eyes looking still, looking always, looking anxiously for something out of life, that while it is expected is already gone – has passed unseen, in a sigh, in a flash – together with the youth, with the strength, with the romance of illusions.” - Joseph Conrad ('Youth') |
This post perfectly describes my view on this new bill. People who think this will make the industry better have think again. It's the creative process of the series that are in trouble here. Maybe it's not as bad as some people think it it. But it will definitely have a negative impact, there is no doubt about that. pietel said: Politics in Japan equals the big companies of Japan. If they pass this law, its probably because the industry thinks that they will sell more on the wordwide market if they make their policy more american (thus more censorship). Except that 10 publishers are already protesting against it. I feel this is more like a political decision. No industry decision uses "healthy development of youth" as bill goal. That sounds straight down like (metropolitan) government propaganda and censorship. What's next, all series will be boring educational series about morality and the importance of academic success? |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| so what? animes like MM! go extinct? Meh... Anime needed to man up anyways. >.> |
Supergrunt8 said: so what? animes like MM! go extinct? Meh... Anime needed to man up anyways. >.> no, it won't go extinct, instead we'll just get a bunch of mirror series without that one bit of flair that sets them apart because it's "bad for the kiddies" i'd like to see some otakus go Travis Touchdown and cut some politicians |
Supergrunt8 said: so what? animes like MM! go extinct? Meh... Anime needed to man up anyways. >.> hope you are aware that violence is considered harmful to children as well? This law pretty much allows the government to do what they please as long as they consider it harmful. Shonen is probably going to be hit hard by this and I very much doubt titles like the berserk remake will be allowed in the general store. If the government wants it, then this ban pretty much sets anime onto the road to make all anime into romance series or moe blob/slice of life series with no harmful content. We will just have to wait until we see what they feel is "harmful" and what is not, but this law does allow them to cut everything out if they want too. Oh and the bill is created by a person that hates anime&manga and is in direct competition with it for sales because he is a novel author. |
MephzDec 13, 2010 7:16 AM
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Mephz said: Supergrunt8 said: so what? animes like MM! go extinct? Meh... Anime needed to man up anyways. >.> hope you are aware that violence is considered harmful to children as well? This law pretty much allows the government to do what they please as long as they consider it harmful. Shonen is probably going to be hit hard by this and I very much doubt titles like the berserk remake will be allowed in the general store. If the government wants it, then this ban pretty much sets anime onto the road to make all anime into romance series or moe blob/slice of life series with no harmful content. We will just have to wait until we see what they feel is "harmful" and what is not, but this law does allow them to cut everything out if they want too. I thought the bill only affected mangas with sexual content. I guess this means someones gonna lose they're job over this. |
| Good News: I still can have ecchi anime Bad News: No Yuri and Incest I'm still not happy. |
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| NOO! Its already passed. Fuck. This is some shitty news. I hope alien octopuses come from Planet Hentai and rape the people who made this possible. |
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| There's also an article over at sankaku saying that apparently mangakas can't draw school uniforms now. lolwut |
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| lol people they wont make ecchi anime but that doesnt mean those anime studios cannot make non ecchi anime thats what the law is implying in my point of view |
Supergrunt8 said: so what? animes like MM! go extinct? Meh... Anime needed to man up anyways. >.> That's exactly what it means.... In fact now that this bill is in, the following anime will not be allowed after July 2011: Yosuga no Sora Seikon no Qwaser Ladies X Butlers Gantz (manga and anime)... YES that's right, GANTZ will be deemed to be too violent Panty and Stocking Kiss x Sis (manga and anime) Elfen Lied (manga and anime) Higurashi no naku koro ni (that's right, this is also too violent) If you guys are wondering what will happen to MANGA, you can expect the WORST imaginable scenarios.. This includes, CANCELLATION to any and ALL manga that violates this piece of shit law... Enjoy your anime and manga free from sex, violence, and any other "harmful" material. |
| So I got news of this here: http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/12/13/tokyo-anime-manga-ban-passes/#comment-694151 apparently it just passed. My 2 views pro and con: Pro: It will have a animation revolution where much of the banned stuff can get away being shown on the internet where it will not be considered as being shown on TV and animation will change and should to a lot of titles that don't have what the ban bans but are still awaiting from their manga creation into anime. Con: It will be bad on many studios less they start pumping out anime that the ban does not affect. It will also be bad on many game industries. I was more for the ban but seeing as the internet can skip that one way or another, I think things might resolve themselves although it will never be the same again. |
| 1) This will only affect Tokyo area. Yes big part of population of japan lives there but still 2) There are actually also people that are over 18 and buy these things... 3) For example in Europe really violent or sexual themed games are banned from minors but they still sell better than ever. I can assure you that pretty big partion that buys these are minors... 4) If I have unterstood right with this bill Manga and Anime that involves rape or incest will be banned from minors.. I really don't see how that is so bad. Those are pretty adult themes and if you really want to buy them you still probably can. Or is there something in this bill that I still don't know ? |
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| the law reads "anything that may hinder the healthy growth of youths by stirring sexual emotions, promoting cruel behaviour, or causing suicidal or criminal tendencies" this can fall under basically anything even pokemon can fall under this. It's a retarded blanket law and from what I heard even things like Gundam where being looked at as potential threats. I like how we gave them freedom of speech and they gone and fucked it up. |
| It doesn't think, it doesn't feel, it doesn't laugh or cry..... All it does from dusk till dawn is make the soldiers die. |
alexcampos said: Egypt fell... Babylon fell... Rome fell... ANIME has fallen... Say goodbye to the empire that was ANIME, after this, you can expect all kinds of nonsense. I suggest all of you guys to download and keep any and all anime from the past that this bill will now ban... I would like everyone to read the following: This is straight from Sankaku: "The most immediate and direct effect of the law will almost certainly be to see ecchi manga such as To Love-Ru, bishoujo titles such as Champion Red and most BL manga, as well as any seinen manga with especially mature themes, banned from general sales – presumably most will then be cancelled due to a lack of suitable magazine or tankobon distribution channels, with a few perhaps being resurrected as 18+ ero-manga." This shit is real people... This is unacceptable. |
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| RAGE Keep your head out things you don't understand, you tight arsed monkey men! |
 Stop. Calm yourself. You're an idiot. |
| I always though anime and manga targeted an older audience... don't children watch cartoons or something? When I was in my tender years I was always watching Tom and Jerry. Unless there's no kids shows in japan |
Yumekichi11 said: So I got news of this here: http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/12/13/tokyo-anime-manga-ban-passes/#comment-694151 apparently it just passed. My 2 views pro and con: Pro: It will have a animation revolution where much of the banned stuff can get away being shown on the internet where it will not be considered as being shown on TV and animation will change and should to a lot of titles that don't have what the ban bans but are still awaiting from their manga creation into anime. Con: It will be bad on many studios less they start pumping out anime that the ban does not affect. It will also be bad on many game industries. I was more for the ban but seeing as the internet can skip that one way or another, I think things might resolve themselves although it will never be the same again. Even Milky Holmes is affected this is batshit insane. Also, those fanservice games such as Criminal Girls and Doki Doki Majo Shinpan and Harem RPGs will be phased out too and a number of them were actually good. I just seen the end of anime and Japanese gaming as a whole. entropy13 said: There's also an article over at sankaku saying that apparently mangakas can't draw school uniforms now. lolwut Geeze this law has gone WAY too far. I hope millions will protest all over the world, this law must be overturned immediately, it will spell doom for Japan and even worse the world. Not only this law will affect me as an anime fan (sure if an internet boom in anime/manga happens I'll adapt quickly), it practically destroys me as an import gamer (The damage here would be irreparable) and I bet most of you feel the same. |
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Hoppy said: Even Milky Holmes is affected this is batshit insane. Also, those fanservice games such as Criminal Girls and Doki Doki Majo Shinpan and Harem RPGs will be phased out too and a number of them were actually good. I just seen the end of anime lolwut NOT MILKY HOLMES ): sadness |
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taki-desu said: Hoppy said: Even Milky Holmes is affected this is batshit insane. Also, those fanservice games such as Criminal Girls and Doki Doki Majo Shinpan and Harem RPGs will be phased out too and a number of them were actually good. I just seen the end of anime lolwut NOT MILKY HOLMES ): sadness I feel your pain and this law will pretty much eliminate 98% of all the games I play since most Japanese RPGs have some sort of fanservice providing there are females in them and this is really my prime concern as this law is so strict that it will reduce my gaming to near zero, also what about violence, a lot of RPGs have very violent scenes and this law may cut that too. In turn, nobody should support this bill, it's pretty much signing a pact to end society as a whole, it disrupts the balance of society and order. |
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Hoppy said: Ok yes but maybe Japan is heading towards another direction and all this is time to stop. Don't know but been hearing of Japanese defense fortification and also about their space program getting developed.Even Milky Holmes is affected this is batshit insane. Also, those fanservice games such as Criminal Girls and Doki Doki Majo Shinpan and Harem RPGs will be phased out too and a number of them were actually good. I just seen the end of anime and Japanese gaming as a whole. |
desolatoDec 13, 2010 10:52 AM
Yumekichi11 said: Ok yes but maybe Japan is heading towards another direction and all this is time to stop. Don't know but been hearing of Japanese defense fortification and also about their space program getting developed. The space program already exists and the fortification wall is a new one to me. |
desolatoDec 13, 2010 10:52 AM
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