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Mar 15, 9:02 AM
#1
Edit: If you're here to argue, Leave, I played along so far, cause I kinda like debates, but it was tiring and not at all my goal with the thread. 2003 is good. Watch it if you want. That's it. The original thread if you want the context: I just finished 2003, and I actually ended up liking it more than brotherhood. Brotherhood is not the definitive version, it's just a different one. frankly, the themes and ideas feel almost dumbed down here. and I for one think the character arcs of 2003 are somehow even better. It's a lot more sombre, and honestly barely feels like a shounen at times, but if you like this series, 2003 is a lot more than a shlob that should be skipped in favour of brotherhood. It's actually a fantastic show in it's own right. That is NOT to say you will necessarily like it more too, the scores would tell me that you probably won't. And there are a lot of things that brotherhood does do far better, it being far more tightly written with far better action is just the start of why brotherhood can be seen as the better one. But 2003 is a completely different experience built up on the same foundation, and that is not an experience you will get to have every day. |
APolygons2Mar 16, 5:58 PM
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Mar 15, 10:13 AM
#5
Thank you a lot because now you completely turned me off to ever watch it. Want it I have both seasons I could send it to you because now I don't see a reason to watch it. |
Mar 15, 10:18 AM
#6
Reply to Otakupervert890
Thank you a lot because now you completely turned me off to ever watch it. Want it I have both seasons I could send it to you because now I don't see a reason to watch it.
@Otakupervert890 what does that even mean? deg said: 2003 has slow pacing but the songs are great I like slow burners, so that's not really a negative for me and anyone else who also likes slow burners, it is true though. Realicle said: It is pretty definitive. Sure if you want to miss out on a fantastic other version. |
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Mar 15, 10:48 AM
#7
I watched 2003 first and then found out brother hood existed when it sure don toonami. Good times |
Mar 15, 12:20 PM
#8
Here we go again with this nonsense. 2003 is garbage and most of it makes no sense. |
ShamankinguYohMar 15, 12:26 PM
Mar 15, 12:26 PM
#9
reading manga is better option isn't it?! |
My mal account is not working properly. In the last 24 hours, there isn't showing any forum discussion. What should I do?! |
Mar 15, 1:15 PM
#10
Why would i watch that when it’s not canon? Brotherhood IS the definitive version since it’s adapted from the source material properly |
Mar 15, 3:18 PM
#11
KarateJones said: Why would i watch that when it’s not canon? Brotherhood IS the definitive version since it’s adapted from the source material properly Anime doesn't have to be manga canon to be considered acceptable; not talking about filler, just anime original/canon content; haven't seen the original fma but anime original ending shouldn't be a reason to dismiss it, maybe if you said that it was bad or something then it would maybe make sense; canon or not, I watch something for the experience, not how faithfully they have adapted something, but of course when the source is very good you'd want the adaptation to follow it directly |
ciiviicMar 15, 3:21 PM
Mar 15, 8:23 PM
#13
Reply to KarateJones
Why would i watch that when it’s not canon? Brotherhood IS the definitive version since it’s adapted from the source material properly
@KarateJones Its a completely different story. We can call it an extremely well written fanfiction, but that doesn't make it any worse of a show. |
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Mar 15, 8:23 PM
#14
Reply to KarateJones
Why would i watch that when it’s not canon? Brotherhood IS the definitive version since it’s adapted from the source material properly
@KarateJones Its a completely different story. We can call it an extremely well written fanfiction, but that doesn't make it any worse of a show. |
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Mar 15, 8:25 PM
#15
Reply to ShamankinguYoh
Here we go again with this nonsense. 2003 is garbage and most of it makes no sense.
@ShamankinguYoh explain why, don't just leave a take like this as if its fact. Most people like brotherhood more, but you are in the minority for thinking this poorly of 2003. |
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Mar 15, 8:25 PM
#16
Reply to ShamankinguYoh
Here we go again with this nonsense. 2003 is garbage and most of it makes no sense.
@ShamankinguYoh explain why, don't just leave a take like this as if its fact. Most people like brotherhood more, but you are in the minority for thinking this poorly of 2003. |
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Mar 15, 8:27 PM
#17
Reply to ciiviic
KarateJones said:
Why would i watch that when it’s not canon? Brotherhood IS the definitive version since it’s adapted from the source material properly
Why would i watch that when it’s not canon? Brotherhood IS the definitive version since it’s adapted from the source material properly
Anime doesn't have to be manga canon to be considered acceptable; not talking about filler, just anime original/canon content; haven't seen the original fma but anime original ending shouldn't be a reason to dismiss it, maybe if you said that it was bad or something then it would maybe make sense; canon or not, I watch something for the experience, not how faithfully they have adapted something, but of course when the source is very good you'd want the adaptation to follow it directly
@ciiviic 2003 is a completely different story tbh. even from the start it has some anime original moments that build up to completely different plot points, it is a genuienly great story, even if you end up liking brotherhood more after watching it. |
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Mar 15, 8:35 PM
#18
I agree that 03 version started off strong, but it suffers from catching up to the manga too quickly and they decided to gamble with the ending, but fundamentally misses the whole point of Edward and Alphonse’s journey. The ending in the 03 version imo is highly unsatisfying conclusion. The botched ending is why the manga was properly adapted years later in FMAB. |
Mar 15, 9:01 PM
#19
APolygons2 said: @ShamankinguYoh explain why, don't just leave a take like this as if its fact. Most people like brotherhood more, but you are in the minority for thinking this poorly of 2003. I’m not explaining myself, it’s plain to see. If you can’t tell that this is a poorly written mess of a story, I don’t know what to tell you. Multiple story elements and characters make absolutely no sense in this version of events. Completely throwing away the manga canon and doing their own thing was a mistake here. This is not Fullmetal Alchemist. |
Mar 15, 9:18 PM
#20
Reply to YagamiLight_1212
I agree that 03 version started off strong, but it suffers from catching up to the manga too quickly and they decided to gamble with the ending, but fundamentally misses the whole point of Edward and Alphonse’s journey. The ending in the 03 version imo is highly unsatisfying conclusion. The botched ending is why the manga was properly adapted years later in FMAB.
@YagamiLight_1212 @ 2003 was always going to be anime original, it plants seeds of it's later plot points from the very start. The ending of 2003 is bitter sweet, but how does it miss the whole point? It is thematic perfection. Now the movie DID suffer from a lot of story cuts that they had to make as compromise, so it ends up being a bit lacking, but that isn't a bad ending either. Brotherhood was made because 2003 ended up being a completely different story, not because it was bad. 2003s reception was never "poor" despite the controversial ending. Brotherhood's existence wasn't because 2003 adapted the manga poorly, or because it was bad. It existed because 2003 didn't adapt the manga at all, and was it's own story after a certain point. |
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Mar 15, 9:19 PM
#21
Reply to ShamankinguYoh
APolygons2 said:
@ShamankinguYoh explain why, don't just leave a take like this as if its fact.
Most people like brotherhood more, but you are in the minority for thinking this poorly of 2003.
@ShamankinguYoh explain why, don't just leave a take like this as if its fact.
Most people like brotherhood more, but you are in the minority for thinking this poorly of 2003.
I’m not explaining myself, it’s plain to see. If you can’t tell that this is a poorly written mess of a story, I don’t know what to tell you. Multiple story elements and characters make absolutely no sense in this version of events. Completely throwing away the manga canon and doing their own thing was a mistake here. This is not Fullmetal Alchemist.
@ShamankinguYoh If it was as obvious as you say, there wouldn't be so many people who love 2003. It's a completely different story, but it's still a great one. It's one that I for one liked even more. And I love brotherhood btw, this isn't coming from someone who disliked it or anything. |
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Mar 15, 9:31 PM
#22
APolygons2 said: @ShamankinguYoh If it was as obvious as you say, there wouldn't be so many people who love 2003. It's a completely different story, but it's still a great one. It's one that I for one liked even more. And I love brotherhood btw, this isn't coming from someone who disliked it or anything. A lot of people love bad things, it’s okay to accept that it’s not very good and you still liked it anyways. The story is not really it’s own anyways, it’s a hodgepodge mess that combines incongruous canon elements with a wet fart of a disaster of a narrative that tries to be edgy, dark and dramatic for the sake of it. I’ve read the manga, seen brotherhood and eventually came around to this anime and it’s just not good. So many characters, events and plot lines are just awful in this version. Then you have the ridiculous movie. You saying you liked that disaster is all I need to know about your appreciation and understanding of the real series. Come on man, people only like this anime because hur dur “doesn’t feel like a shonen” “darker and edgy and I like the tone” and all that superficial stuff that is meaningless. Most of these people don’t even understand what makes the real series so great. |
ShamankinguYohMar 15, 9:43 PM
Mar 15, 9:48 PM
#23
Reply to ShamankinguYoh
APolygons2 said:
@ShamankinguYoh
If it was as obvious as you say, there wouldn't be so many people who love 2003.
It's a completely different story, but it's still a great one. It's one that I for one liked even more. And I love brotherhood btw, this isn't coming from someone who disliked it or anything.
@ShamankinguYoh
If it was as obvious as you say, there wouldn't be so many people who love 2003.
It's a completely different story, but it's still a great one. It's one that I for one liked even more. And I love brotherhood btw, this isn't coming from someone who disliked it or anything.
A lot of people love bad things, it’s okay to accept that it’s not very good and you still liked it anyways. The story is not really it’s own anyways, it’s a hodgepodge mess that combines incongruous canon elements with a wet fart of a disaster of a narrative that tries to be edgy, dark and dramatic for the sake of it.
I’ve read the manga, seen brotherhood and eventually came around to this anime and it’s just not good. So many characters, events and plot lines are just awful in this version. Then you have the ridiculous movie. You saying you liked that disaster is all I need to know about your appreciation and understanding of the real series. Come on man, people only like this anime because hur dur “doesn’t feel like a shonen” “darker and edgy and I like the tone” and all that superficial stuff that is meaningless. Most of these people don’t even understand what makes the real series so great.
@ShamankinguYoh That is false. You just throw "bad bad bad" like that is somehow an argument. ShamankinguYoh said: that combines incongruous canon elements It starts the same, but no, it does fully become it's own story half way through. You want to know why 2003 is better to me? It's not just that it's darker and the superficial stuff! I think most of the characters are better here: I massively prefer dante to father as a villain. Father was actually my biggest issue with brotherhood, everything from his origin to his death was just frustratingly wrong. It's so weird to me how a show with as many great villains as fmab, can fumble the bag so hard when it came to the main one. Dante is no masterfully written villain either, but at least she isn't a walking plot hole, and her character actually has a direct connection to edward. Lust is barely a character in brotherhood, but 2003 she was one of my favourites. I liked scar's character more, His brother's massive crimes make his hate for alchemy and hunt for blood, make so much more sense. and his conclusion was holy shit was it amazing in 2003, sacrificing his arm to save ed's little brother, the same way his brother did for him. I liked the elric's teacher more, I somehow even liked roy more, who was already one of my favourite characters of all time in brotherhood. He get a lot fewer bad ass scenes, but his story is just so inspiring and tragic at the same time, he being the one who killed winry's parent instead of scar adds so much to his character. and hues being the one who talked him out of killing himself also adds a ton to their dynamic. I could go for so long. I think the twist about the portal was so much more interesting and even logical, than some white thingy called truth being the source of all power. I Rose being the one inspires edward the same way he did years ago is brilliant. I think edward believing in the illogic of equivalent exchange despite making fun of rose for something similar is terrific ironic writing. The music is just as good, if not better than the original. It has so many philosophical ideas and themes, that kinda existed in brotherhood too, but all were dumbed down or barely explored. I can go on for so so so long. I could probably go just as long about brotherhood, but as I said, I love both. This isn't about brotherhood not being amazing. it is. This is about 2003 being arguably just as good if not even better. They both have their own strengths and weaknesses. |
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Mar 16, 5:01 AM
#24
APolygons2 said: @ciiviic 2003 is a completely different story tbh. even from the start it has some anime original moments that build up to completely different plot points, it is a genuienly great story, even if you end up liking brotherhood more after watching it. okay I'll check it out sometime |
Mar 16, 5:14 AM
#25
APolygons2 said: @ShamankinguYoh That is false. You just throw "bad bad bad" like that is somehow an argument. ShamankinguYoh said: that combines incongruous canon elements It starts the same, but no, it does fully become it's own story half way through. You want to know why 2003 is better to me? It's not just that it's darker and the superficial stuff! I think most of the characters are better here: I massively prefer dante to father as a villain. Father was actually my biggest issue with brotherhood, everything from his origin to his death was just frustratingly wrong. It's so weird to me how a show with as many great villains as fmab, can fumble the bag so hard when it came to the main one. Dante is no masterfully written villain either, but at least she isn't a walking plot hole, and her character actually has a direct connection to edward. Lust is barely a character in brotherhood, but 2003 she was one of my favourites. I liked scar's character more, His brother's massive crimes make his hate for alchemy and hunt for blood, make so much more sense. and his conclusion was holy shit was it amazing in 2003, sacrificing his arm to save ed's little brother, the same way his brother did for him. I liked the elric's teacher more, I somehow even liked roy more, who was already one of my favourite characters of all time in brotherhood. He get a lot fewer bad ass scenes, but his story is just so inspiring and tragic at the same time, he being the one who killed winry's parent instead of scar adds so much to his character. and hues being the one who talked him out of killing himself also adds a ton to their dynamic. I could go for so long. I think the twist about the portal was so much more interesting and even logical, than some white thingy called truth being the source of all power. I Rose being the one inspires edward the same way he did years ago is brilliant. I think edward believing in the illogic of equivalent exchange despite making fun of rose for something similar is terrific ironic writing. The music is just as good, if not better than the original. It has so many philosophical ideas and themes, that kinda existed in brotherhood too, but all were dumbed down or barely explored. I can go on for so so so long. I could probably go just as long about brotherhood, but as I said, I love both. This isn't about brotherhood not being amazing. it is. This is about 2003 being arguably just as good if not even better. They both have their own strengths and weaknesses. Jesus Christ. Good job proving me right about not understanding the real story. Nothing more needs to be said. Congratulations. You fundamentally misunderstood Fullmetal Alchemist. To actually prefer Dante as a villain means you didn’t understand anything about Father or his narrative purpose and thematic connection to the Elric brothers. To misunderstand Truth as well, you don’t know anything. You probably turned your brain off at some point watching brotherhood because you think you’re better than some shonen action series. That’s the only explanation I can think of for how you seem to not understand the actual story and prefer this complete mess of a plot. You have to actively ignore so much garbage to actually enjoy this series. The actual narrative it presents is poorly written and so ridiculously contrived it’s almost comical. There’s nothing more to say, I’m not entertaining this conversation any longer. |
ShamankinguYohMar 16, 5:40 AM
Mar 16, 6:07 AM
#26
Reply to ShamankinguYoh
APolygons2 said:
@ShamankinguYoh That is false.
You just throw "bad bad bad" like that is somehow an argument.
It starts the same, but no, it does fully become it's own story half way through.
You want to know why 2003 is better to me? It's not just that it's darker and the superficial stuff!
I think most of the characters are better here:
I massively prefer dante to father as a villain. Father was actually my biggest issue with brotherhood, everything from his origin to his death was just frustratingly wrong. It's so weird to me how a show with as many great villains as fmab, can fumble the bag so hard when it came to the main one. Dante is no masterfully written villain either, but at least she isn't a walking plot hole, and her character actually has a direct connection to edward.
Lust is barely a character in brotherhood, but 2003 she was one of my favourites.
I liked scar's character more, His brother's massive crimes make his hate for alchemy and hunt for blood, make so much more sense. and his conclusion was holy shit was it amazing in 2003, sacrificing his arm to save ed's little brother, the same way his brother did for him.
I liked the elric's teacher more, I somehow even liked roy more, who was already one of my favourite characters of all time in brotherhood. He get a lot fewer bad ass scenes, but his story is just so inspiring and tragic at the same time, he being the one who killed winry's parent instead of scar adds so much to his character.
and hues being the one who talked him out of killing himself also adds a ton to their dynamic.
I could go for so long.
I think the twist about the portal was so much more interesting and even logical, than some white thingy called truth being the source of all power. I Rose being the one inspires edward the same way he did years ago is brilliant. I think edward believing in the illogic of equivalent exchange despite making fun of rose for something similar is terrific ironic writing.
The music is just as good, if not better than the original.
It has so many philosophical ideas and themes, that kinda existed in brotherhood too, but all were dumbed down or barely explored.
I can go on for so so so long.
I could probably go just as long about brotherhood, but as I said, I love both. This isn't about brotherhood not being amazing. it is. This is about 2003 being arguably just as good if not even better. They both have their own strengths and weaknesses.
@ShamankinguYoh That is false.
You just throw "bad bad bad" like that is somehow an argument.
ShamankinguYoh said:
that combines incongruous canon elements
that combines incongruous canon elements
It starts the same, but no, it does fully become it's own story half way through.
You want to know why 2003 is better to me? It's not just that it's darker and the superficial stuff!
I think most of the characters are better here:
I massively prefer dante to father as a villain. Father was actually my biggest issue with brotherhood, everything from his origin to his death was just frustratingly wrong. It's so weird to me how a show with as many great villains as fmab, can fumble the bag so hard when it came to the main one. Dante is no masterfully written villain either, but at least she isn't a walking plot hole, and her character actually has a direct connection to edward.
Lust is barely a character in brotherhood, but 2003 she was one of my favourites.
I liked scar's character more, His brother's massive crimes make his hate for alchemy and hunt for blood, make so much more sense. and his conclusion was holy shit was it amazing in 2003, sacrificing his arm to save ed's little brother, the same way his brother did for him.
I liked the elric's teacher more, I somehow even liked roy more, who was already one of my favourite characters of all time in brotherhood. He get a lot fewer bad ass scenes, but his story is just so inspiring and tragic at the same time, he being the one who killed winry's parent instead of scar adds so much to his character.
and hues being the one who talked him out of killing himself also adds a ton to their dynamic.
I could go for so long.
I think the twist about the portal was so much more interesting and even logical, than some white thingy called truth being the source of all power. I Rose being the one inspires edward the same way he did years ago is brilliant. I think edward believing in the illogic of equivalent exchange despite making fun of rose for something similar is terrific ironic writing.
The music is just as good, if not better than the original.
It has so many philosophical ideas and themes, that kinda existed in brotherhood too, but all were dumbed down or barely explored.
I can go on for so so so long.
I could probably go just as long about brotherhood, but as I said, I love both. This isn't about brotherhood not being amazing. it is. This is about 2003 being arguably just as good if not even better. They both have their own strengths and weaknesses.
Jesus Christ. Good job proving me right about not understanding the real story. Nothing more needs to be said. Congratulations. You fundamentally misunderstood Fullmetal Alchemist. To actually prefer Dante as a villain means you didn’t understand anything about Father or his narrative purpose and thematic connection to the Elric brothers. To misunderstand Truth as well, you don’t know anything. You probably turned your brain off at some point watching brotherhood because you think you’re better than some shonen action series. That’s the only explanation I can think of for how you seem to not understand the actual story and prefer this complete mess of a plot. You have to actively ignore so much garbage to actually enjoy this series. The actual narrative it presents is poorly written and so ridiculously contrived it’s almost comical. There’s nothing more to say, I’m not entertaining this conversation any longer.
ShamankinguYoh said: Jesus Christ. Good job proving me right about not understanding the real story. Nothing more needs to be said. Congratulations. You fundamentally misunderstood Fullmetal Alchemist. To actually prefer Dante as a villain means you didn’t understand anything about Father or his narrative purpose and thematic connection to the Elric brothers. Alright, Now this genuinely pisses me off, your overconfidence is so damn painful. I will break it down for you, maybe you can learn what the hell you're talking about then: ShamankinguYoh said: To actually prefer Dante as a villain means you didn’t understand anything about Father or his narrative purpose and thematic connection to the Elric brothers. Oh don't worry, I fully understand father's thematic purpose within the story, That is literally the only good thing about him. I have a ton of complaints about father, but none of them are about how he complements the themes of the show. I think he is a horrible villain because as idea he is a generic none human with a god complex, and is far less interesting than any of the homunculi. I think he is horrible, because his entire character is based letting go of his human "weaknesses" or the seven deadly sins, but constantly does things that can only be explained by things like pride, wrath or greed. seeing humans as beneath him IS pride, him wanting to defeat god IS greed, and you can not tell me he isn't showing anger in the final stretch of the fight. He's been born out of an experiment, that uses "blood" but is somehow a living creature that knows more about the laws of alchemy that the people who created it. That literally goes against every law of alchemy the show has set up, He is a far more complex being than anything we have seen other alchemist make, and the only explanation is he was made from blood? His entire existence is unexplainable without more context of how he was made! And all that aside, he was a character introduced as being far smarter than humans, but father is a fucking idiot. there is underestimating your opponent, and then there is some of the shit he does. the worst of it being after Hohenheim reversed is powers, If he was smart, he would learn. or at the very least not waste his extremely limited power, on a giant explosion that damaged like 2 of his opponents in total. But none of these are what pissed me about your over confidence comment, that assumes you are above anyone else, and the only possible reason someone could disagree with you is if they didn't understand the series, that would be arrogant, but I wouldn't be too bothered by it. The real issue is that YOU say this, while Thinking dante DIDN'T have thematic relevance in 2003. Dante's last conversation with Ed Is literally a battle of ideals, with her denying the law of equivalent exchange, in a way that leaves ed unable to debacle some of her comments. She is directly connected to the story of Ed and all. She and Ed's father had a relationship. Dante manipulated the homunculi made from their mother into ignoring her feelings for them. she orchestrated their every more for years. and her ideals are directly related to both Ed's beliefs, and so many of the major themes in 2003. Yes father is thematically relevant, despite your assumption I never said he wasn't. I more than understand the strengths of brotherhood, YOU are the one who doesn't understand the strengths of 2003. ShamankinguYoh said: To misunderstand Truth as well, I'm sorry, let me explain the specific line that you are complaining about, so you don't nit pick. APolygons2 said: than some white thingy called truth being the source of all power. The gate within each alchemist is the source of their power, which is shown as a giant gate with writings on it. I know how it works. I just think the idea of it being fuelled by a different world's death, works a lot better than the answer being a "thing" that just exists. ShamankinguYoh said: You probably turned your brain off at some point watching brotherhood because you think you’re better than some shonen action series. I fucking love brotherhood. And even if it was some shounen action series, I still would love it if it was good. JJK was one of my favourite anime last year, and that show IS some (really fucking good) action shounen. I can make a character study of every character in brotherhood for you, and explain why it's amazing for hours. I complain here, because I am superficially talking about the parts that I liked more in 2003. There is so much good shit in brothehood. Greed and Bradley are fucking fantastic in brotherhood, and the 2003 version has nothing on them. And while I think I like the roy of 2003 even more, as I said, roy was one of my all time favourites after brotherhood. Brotherhood is far more tightly written than 2003, with very little time being wasted, brotherhood has so many incredible characters like pride, or Olivia (was that her name? it's been a while since I rewatched brotherhood) arm strong. Some of my favourite scenes like Roy vs lust, or the death of Hohenheim only exist in brotherhood. And while I need to listen to both of the soundtracks again to make sure , I think I still prefer the music in brotherhood. It also actually wrapped up every character arc which is more I can say about the disappointingly rushed 2003 movie, which wasn't bad at all, but could have been so much better, even with only a handful of additional scenes. ShamankinguYoh said: That’s the only explanation I can think of for how you seem to not understand the actual story and prefer this complete mess of a plot so no, I am more than aware of how great brotherhood is, you just seem to lack the comprehension to see the positives in a second version that you happen to dislike for some reason. You are acting like someone preferring it, has to be an idiot, there couldn't be any other possible reason right? cause YOU are a smart boy, if you don't like it, then anyone who disagrees has to not have understood why fmab is great!!! You know what's the funniest part? Despite the fact that you think the issue here is me not understanding what makes brotherhood so great, we both gave brotherhood the same score. Our opinion on brotherhood is not that different. I just happen to also love 2003 even more. ShamankinguYoh said: It’s almost comical. What is comical, Is you being THIS self cantered. Holy shit what a time I just wasted, eh whatever, It's good having to explain somethings in order to understand them better myself. |
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Mar 16, 6:18 AM
#27
How can do this Fans Average FMA 2003 vs Fans FMAB Enjoyer still fighting in 2024?? Lol 😂 |
RidzaxsterMar 16, 6:22 AM
Mar 16, 6:40 AM
#28
Reply to Ridzaxster
How can do this Fans Average FMA 2003 vs Fans FMAB Enjoyer still fighting in 2024?? Lol 😂
@Ridzaxster I really didn't wanna fight lol this was just to say 2003 is good too! |
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Mar 16, 7:47 AM
#29
APolygons2 said: ShamankinguYoh said: Jesus Christ. Good job proving me right about not understanding the real story. Nothing more needs to be said. Congratulations. You fundamentally misunderstood Fullmetal Alchemist. To actually prefer Dante as a villain means you didn’t understand anything about Father or his narrative purpose and thematic connection to the Elric brothers. Alright, Now this genuinely pisses me off, your overconfidence is so damn painful. I will break it down for you, maybe you can learn what the hell you're talking about then: ShamankinguYoh said: To actually prefer Dante as a villain means you didn’t understand anything about Father or his narrative purpose and thematic connection to the Elric brothers. Oh don't worry, I fully understand father's thematic purpose within the story, That is literally the only good thing about him. I have a ton of complaints about father, but none of them are about how he complements the themes of the show. I think he is a horrible villain because as idea he is a generic none human with a god complex, and is far less interesting than any of the homunculi. I think he is horrible, because his entire character is based letting go of his human "weaknesses" or the seven deadly sins, but constantly does things that can only be explained by things like pride, wrath or greed. seeing humans as beneath him IS pride, him wanting to defeat god IS greed, and you can not tell me he isn't showing anger in the final stretch of the fight. He's been born out of an experiment, that uses "blood" but is somehow a living creature that knows more about the laws of alchemy that the people who created it. That literally goes against every law of alchemy the show has set up, He is a far more complex being than anything we have seen other alchemist make, and the only explanation is he was made from blood? His entire existence is unexplainable without more context of how he was made! And all that aside, he was a character introduced as being far smarter than humans, but father is a fucking idiot. there is underestimating your opponent, and then there is some of the shit he does. the worst of it being after Hohenheim reversed is powers, If he was smart, he would learn. or at the very least not waste his extremely limited power, on a giant explosion that damaged like 2 of his opponents in total. But none of these are what pissed me about your over confidence comment, that assumes you are above anyone else, and the only possible reason someone could disagree with you is if they didn't understand the series, that would be arrogant, but I wouldn't be too bothered by it. The real issue is that YOU say this, while Thinking dante DIDN'T have thematic relevance in 2003. Dante's last conversation with Ed Is literally a battle of ideals, with her denying the law of equivalent exchange, in a way that leaves ed unable to debacle some of her comments. She is directly connected to the story of Ed and all. She and Ed's father had a relationship. Dante manipulated the homunculi made from their mother into ignoring her feelings for them. she orchestrated their every more for years. and her ideals are directly related to both Ed's beliefs, and so many of the major themes in 2003. Yes father is thematically relevant, despite your assumption I never said he wasn't. I more than understand the strengths of brotherhood, YOU are the one who doesn't understand the strengths of 2003. ShamankinguYoh said: To misunderstand Truth as well, I'm sorry, let me explain the specific line that you are complaining about, so you don't nit pick. APolygons2 said: than some white thingy called truth being the source of all power. The gate within each alchemist is the source of their power, which is shown as a giant gate with writings on it. I know how it works. I just think the idea of it being fuelled by a different world's death, works a lot better than the answer being a "thing" that just exists. ShamankinguYoh said: You probably turned your brain off at some point watching brotherhood because you think you’re better than some shonen action series. I fucking love brotherhood. And even if it was some shounen action series, I still would love it if it was good. JJK was one of my favourite anime last year, and that show IS some (really fucking good) action shounen. I can make a character study of every character in brotherhood for you, and explain why it's amazing for hours. I complain here, because I am superficially talking about the parts that I liked more in 2003. There is so much good shit in brothehood. Greed and Bradley are fucking fantastic in brotherhood, and the 2003 version has nothing on them. And while I think I like the roy of 2003 even more, as I said, roy was one of my all time favourites after brotherhood. Brotherhood is far more tightly written than 2003, with very little time being wasted, brotherhood has so many incredible characters like pride, or Olivia (was that her name? it's been a while since I rewatched brotherhood) arm strong. Some of my favourite scenes like Roy vs lust, or the death of Hohenheim only exist in brotherhood. And while I need to listen to both of the soundtracks again to make sure , I think I still prefer the music in brotherhood. It also actually wrapped up every character arc which is more I can say about the disappointingly rushed 2003 movie, which wasn't bad at all, but could have been so much better, even with only a handful of additional scenes. ShamankinguYoh said: That’s the only explanation I can think of for how you seem to not understand the actual story and prefer this complete mess of a plot so no, I am more than aware of how great brotherhood is, you just seem to lack the comprehension to see the positives in a second version that you happen to dislike for some reason. You are acting like someone preferring it, has to be an idiot, there couldn't be any other possible reason right? cause YOU are a smart boy, if you don't like it, then anyone who disagrees has to not have understood why fmab is great!!! You know what's the funniest part? Despite the fact that you think the issue here is me not understanding what makes brotherhood so great, we both gave brotherhood the same score. Our opinion on brotherhood is not that different. I just happen to also love 2003 even more. ShamankinguYoh said: It’s almost comical. What is comical, Is you being THIS self cantered. Holy shit what a time I just wasted, eh whatever, It's good having to explain somethings in order to understand them better myself. It’s almost like Father being a hypocritical character was the point. But whatever. Whatever strengths 2003 had are immediately counterbalanced by something that’s awful or something that’s clearly missing or badly done. I can’t excuse the atrociously bad final act. How does it make any sense for homunculus to be born from human transmutation, when they’re supposed to be based on the seven deadly sins? Envy being Ed’s half brother as a shock value and force the bittersweet ending, the world being tied to reality, the ridiculously shitty and contrived final battle between Mustang and Bradley where his son randomly comes back to the manor to give Mustang the skull he needs to kill Bradley, Tucker living and fusing with the damn chimera, sloth being the mother, absolutely atrocious and contrived shock value writing that’s dramatic for the sake of a plot twist. That’s what I take issue with, but also just how incredibly unsatisfying the ending is and how many characters and plot lines were wasted. All you 2003 fans talk about are themes, which are not as deep or rich as you think, while downplaying the thematic strength of the original work. The manga has much better world building, storytelling, character development and yes, thematic weight. These things are not present in the 2003 version, and if they are, they’re muddied by horrible execution of character and narrative. So yes, I have major issues with 2003 and don’t see it as a good anime. I even have a couple issues with brotherhood. The manga is by far the best version of the story. |
ShamankinguYohMar 16, 8:07 AM
Mar 16, 8:09 AM
#30
No I'm good, but thanks for the friendly reminder as well as giving your opinion about the show~ |
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Mar 16, 9:38 AM
#31
Reply to ShamankinguYoh
APolygons2 said:
Alright, Now this genuinely pisses me off, your overconfidence is so damn painful.
I will break it down for you, maybe you can learn what the hell you're talking about then:
Oh don't worry, I fully understand father's thematic purpose within the story, That is literally the only good thing about him. I have a ton of complaints about father, but none of them are about how he complements the themes of the show.
I think he is a horrible villain because as idea he is a generic none human with a god complex, and is far less interesting than any of the homunculi.
I think he is horrible, because his entire character is based letting go of his human "weaknesses" or the seven deadly sins, but constantly does things that can only be explained by things like pride, wrath or greed.
seeing humans as beneath him IS pride, him wanting to defeat god IS greed, and you can not tell me he isn't showing anger in the final stretch of the fight.
He's been born out of an experiment, that uses "blood" but is somehow a living creature that knows more about the laws of alchemy that the people who created it. That literally goes against every law of alchemy the show has set up, He is a far more complex being than anything we have seen other alchemist make, and the only explanation is he was made from blood?
His entire existence is unexplainable without more context of how he was made!
And all that aside, he was a character introduced as being far smarter than humans, but father is a fucking idiot. there is underestimating your opponent, and then there is some of the shit he does. the worst of it being after Hohenheim reversed is powers, If he was smart, he would learn. or at the very least not waste his extremely limited power, on a giant explosion that damaged like 2 of his opponents in total.
But none of these are what pissed me about your over confidence comment, that assumes you are above anyone else, and the only possible reason someone could disagree with you is if they didn't understand the series, that would be arrogant, but I wouldn't be too bothered by it.
The real issue is that YOU say this, while Thinking dante DIDN'T have thematic relevance in 2003.
Dante's last conversation with Ed Is literally a battle of ideals, with her denying the law of equivalent exchange, in a way that leaves ed unable to debacle some of her comments. She is directly connected to the story of Ed and all.
She and Ed's father had a relationship. Dante manipulated the homunculi made from their mother into ignoring her feelings for them. she orchestrated their every more for years. and her ideals are directly related to both Ed's beliefs, and so many of the major themes in 2003.
Yes father is thematically relevant, despite your assumption I never said he wasn't. I more than understand the strengths of brotherhood, YOU are the one who doesn't understand the strengths of 2003.
I'm sorry, let me explain the specific line that you are complaining about, so you don't nit pick.
The gate within each alchemist is the source of their power, which is shown as a giant gate with writings on it.
I know how it works.
I just think the idea of it being fuelled by a different world's death, works a lot better than the answer being a "thing" that just exists.
I fucking love brotherhood. And even if it was some shounen action series, I still would love it if it was good. JJK was one of my favourite anime last year, and that show IS some (really fucking good) action shounen.
I can make a character study of every character in brotherhood for you, and explain why it's amazing for hours. I complain here, because I am superficially talking about the parts that I liked more in 2003.
There is so much good shit in brothehood. Greed and Bradley are fucking fantastic in brotherhood, and the 2003 version has nothing on them. And while I think I like the roy of 2003 even more, as I said, roy was one of my all time favourites after brotherhood.
Brotherhood is far more tightly written than 2003, with very little time being wasted, brotherhood has so many incredible characters like pride, or Olivia (was that her name? it's been a while since I rewatched brotherhood) arm strong.
Some of my favourite scenes like Roy vs lust, or the death of Hohenheim only exist in brotherhood.
And while I need to listen to both of the soundtracks again to make sure , I think I still prefer the music in brotherhood.
It also actually wrapped up every character arc which is more I can say about the disappointingly rushed 2003 movie, which wasn't bad at all, but could have been so much better, even with only a handful of additional scenes.
so no, I am more than aware of how great brotherhood is, you just seem to lack the comprehension to see the positives in a second version that you happen to dislike for some reason.
You are acting like someone preferring it, has to be an idiot, there couldn't be any other possible reason right? cause YOU are a smart boy, if you don't like it, then anyone who disagrees has to not have understood why fmab is great!!!
You know what's the funniest part?
Despite the fact that you think the issue here is me not understanding what makes brotherhood so great, we both gave brotherhood the same score. Our opinion on brotherhood is not that different. I just happen to also love 2003 even more.
What is comical, Is you being THIS self cantered.
Holy shit what a time I just wasted,
eh whatever, It's good having to explain somethings in order to understand them better myself.
ShamankinguYoh said:
Jesus Christ. Good job proving me right about not understanding the real story. Nothing more needs to be said. Congratulations. You fundamentally misunderstood Fullmetal Alchemist. To actually prefer Dante as a villain means you didn’t understand anything about Father or his narrative purpose and thematic connection to the Elric brothers.
Jesus Christ. Good job proving me right about not understanding the real story. Nothing more needs to be said. Congratulations. You fundamentally misunderstood Fullmetal Alchemist. To actually prefer Dante as a villain means you didn’t understand anything about Father or his narrative purpose and thematic connection to the Elric brothers.
Alright, Now this genuinely pisses me off, your overconfidence is so damn painful.
I will break it down for you, maybe you can learn what the hell you're talking about then:
ShamankinguYoh said:
To actually prefer Dante as a villain means you didn’t understand anything about Father or his narrative purpose and thematic connection to the Elric brothers.
To actually prefer Dante as a villain means you didn’t understand anything about Father or his narrative purpose and thematic connection to the Elric brothers.
Oh don't worry, I fully understand father's thematic purpose within the story, That is literally the only good thing about him. I have a ton of complaints about father, but none of them are about how he complements the themes of the show.
I think he is a horrible villain because as idea he is a generic none human with a god complex, and is far less interesting than any of the homunculi.
I think he is horrible, because his entire character is based letting go of his human "weaknesses" or the seven deadly sins, but constantly does things that can only be explained by things like pride, wrath or greed.
seeing humans as beneath him IS pride, him wanting to defeat god IS greed, and you can not tell me he isn't showing anger in the final stretch of the fight.
He's been born out of an experiment, that uses "blood" but is somehow a living creature that knows more about the laws of alchemy that the people who created it. That literally goes against every law of alchemy the show has set up, He is a far more complex being than anything we have seen other alchemist make, and the only explanation is he was made from blood?
His entire existence is unexplainable without more context of how he was made!
And all that aside, he was a character introduced as being far smarter than humans, but father is a fucking idiot. there is underestimating your opponent, and then there is some of the shit he does. the worst of it being after Hohenheim reversed is powers, If he was smart, he would learn. or at the very least not waste his extremely limited power, on a giant explosion that damaged like 2 of his opponents in total.
But none of these are what pissed me about your over confidence comment, that assumes you are above anyone else, and the only possible reason someone could disagree with you is if they didn't understand the series, that would be arrogant, but I wouldn't be too bothered by it.
The real issue is that YOU say this, while Thinking dante DIDN'T have thematic relevance in 2003.
Dante's last conversation with Ed Is literally a battle of ideals, with her denying the law of equivalent exchange, in a way that leaves ed unable to debacle some of her comments. She is directly connected to the story of Ed and all.
She and Ed's father had a relationship. Dante manipulated the homunculi made from their mother into ignoring her feelings for them. she orchestrated their every more for years. and her ideals are directly related to both Ed's beliefs, and so many of the major themes in 2003.
Yes father is thematically relevant, despite your assumption I never said he wasn't. I more than understand the strengths of brotherhood, YOU are the one who doesn't understand the strengths of 2003.
ShamankinguYoh said:
To misunderstand Truth as well,
To misunderstand Truth as well,
I'm sorry, let me explain the specific line that you are complaining about, so you don't nit pick.
APolygons2 said:
than some white thingy called truth being the source of all power.
than some white thingy called truth being the source of all power.
The gate within each alchemist is the source of their power, which is shown as a giant gate with writings on it.
I know how it works.
I just think the idea of it being fuelled by a different world's death, works a lot better than the answer being a "thing" that just exists.
ShamankinguYoh said:
You probably turned your brain off at some point watching brotherhood because you think you’re better than some shonen action series.
You probably turned your brain off at some point watching brotherhood because you think you’re better than some shonen action series.
I fucking love brotherhood. And even if it was some shounen action series, I still would love it if it was good. JJK was one of my favourite anime last year, and that show IS some (really fucking good) action shounen.
I can make a character study of every character in brotherhood for you, and explain why it's amazing for hours. I complain here, because I am superficially talking about the parts that I liked more in 2003.
There is so much good shit in brothehood. Greed and Bradley are fucking fantastic in brotherhood, and the 2003 version has nothing on them. And while I think I like the roy of 2003 even more, as I said, roy was one of my all time favourites after brotherhood.
Brotherhood is far more tightly written than 2003, with very little time being wasted, brotherhood has so many incredible characters like pride, or Olivia (was that her name? it's been a while since I rewatched brotherhood) arm strong.
Some of my favourite scenes like Roy vs lust, or the death of Hohenheim only exist in brotherhood.
And while I need to listen to both of the soundtracks again to make sure , I think I still prefer the music in brotherhood.
It also actually wrapped up every character arc which is more I can say about the disappointingly rushed 2003 movie, which wasn't bad at all, but could have been so much better, even with only a handful of additional scenes.
ShamankinguYoh said:
That’s the only explanation I can think of for how you seem to not understand the actual story and prefer this complete mess of a plot
That’s the only explanation I can think of for how you seem to not understand the actual story and prefer this complete mess of a plot
so no, I am more than aware of how great brotherhood is, you just seem to lack the comprehension to see the positives in a second version that you happen to dislike for some reason.
You are acting like someone preferring it, has to be an idiot, there couldn't be any other possible reason right? cause YOU are a smart boy, if you don't like it, then anyone who disagrees has to not have understood why fmab is great!!!
You know what's the funniest part?
Despite the fact that you think the issue here is me not understanding what makes brotherhood so great, we both gave brotherhood the same score. Our opinion on brotherhood is not that different. I just happen to also love 2003 even more.
ShamankinguYoh said:
It’s almost comical.
It’s almost comical.
What is comical, Is you being THIS self cantered.
Holy shit what a time I just wasted,
eh whatever, It's good having to explain somethings in order to understand them better myself.
It’s almost like Father being a hypocritical character was the point. But whatever. Whatever strengths 2003 had are immediately counterbalanced by something that’s awful or something that’s clearly missing or badly done. I can’t excuse the atrociously bad final act. How does it make any sense for homunculus to be born from human transmutation, when they’re supposed to be based on the seven deadly sins? Envy being Ed’s half brother as a shock value and force the bittersweet ending, the world being tied to reality, the ridiculously shitty and contrived final battle between Mustang and Bradley where his son randomly comes back to the manor to give Mustang the skull he needs to kill Bradley, Tucker living and fusing with the damn chimera, sloth being the mother, absolutely atrocious and contrived shock value writing that’s dramatic for the sake of a plot twist. That’s what I take issue with, but also just how incredibly unsatisfying the ending is and how many characters and plot lines were wasted. All you 2003 fans talk about are themes, which are not as deep or rich as you think, while downplaying the thematic strength of the original work. The manga has much better world building, storytelling, character development and yes, thematic weight. These things are not present in the 2003 version, and if they are, they’re muddied by horrible execution of character and narrative. So yes, I have major issues with 2003 and don’t see it as a good anime. I even have a couple issues with brotherhood. The manga is by far the best version of the story.
ShamankinguYoh said: It’s almost like Father being a hypocritical character was the point. It would be hypocrisy if he was against something that he did. But he literally takes out his pride and creates a physical manifestation of it, if he has pride after that, it means he DIDN'T do it. But the show never says anything like "you can't remove your sins", in fact it says the opposite, it says he is foolish to think getting rid of those sins makes him complete. And besides, even If I were to except this lame excuse, It still wouldn't excuse the other two issues with him. ShamankinguYoh said: How does it make any sense for homunculus to be born from human transmutation, when they’re supposed to be based on the seven deadly sins? really? You think the homunculi being the seven deadly sins without a massive reason is your show ruining issue? This is a nit pick. It wouldn't be hard to come up with an excuse for it, and frankly, if there was a reason given, it wouldn't change the story of the show at all. It's not like it breaks any of the rules like father's origin, it's just a "thing" that exists. ShamankinguYoh said: Envy being Ed’s half brother as a shock value and force the bittersweet ending It wasn't shock value my man, It was the entire point of him being called envy. It was his motivation for being envy, him being jealous of Edward because he was discarded by his father. ShamankinguYoh said: the world being tied to reality, That was a great twist. It was shocking, and explained where the energy the alchemists use come from. It's a far more interesting reason than the door, which was the most boring possible reason. It also builds on the themes of the show, and sets up the final act which is the movie. ShamankinguYoh said: the ridiculously shitty and contrived final battle between Mustang and Bradley where his son randomly comes back to the manor to give Mustang the skull he needs to kill Bradley Was it convenient? Sure, fma is by no means flawless. but again, this is not a huge deal. It's a small not pick. There is so much great about that fight, the a convenient like this barely affects it. not to mention, brotherhood does also have plenty of plot convenient moments, biggest example is at the end of the show. When Father's attack just happened to knock everyone out for long enough, Alphand had to sacrifice himself to get arms, but just for NOT long enough that they could get up and cheer on Ed 2 minutes later. THAT is far more convenient, than son of Bradely bringing back his skull, because he thought it would somehow help. but neither of these, not even the brotherhood one which is much worse is by any means show ruining. ShamankinguYoh said: Tucker living and fusing with the damn chimera, Now you're just describing the plot points, not even pointing out what's wrong with them ShamankinguYoh said: sloth being the mother, That was like one of the best parts, how could you possibly dislike something that challenges the morals and ideals of the characters so damn perfectly and makes their encounter with dante more personal in the proccess? ShamankinguYoh said: That’s what I take issue with, but also just how incredibly unsatisfying the ending is and how many characters and plot lines were wasted. The movie was sadly cut short, so yeah, it was unsatisfying in a lot of ways, winry and teacher didn't get nearly enough screen time. and roy's arc felt unfinished, as if the middle was cut. I would never call it "incredibly unsatisfying" though. Ed and Al had a satisfying end, so did all the homunculus, dante, and most of the other characters. ShamankinguYoh said: All you 2003 fans talk about are themes, which are not as deep or rich as you think, while downplaying the thematic strength of the original work. 1. I finished 2003 yesterday, so the "fan" you are talking about has is someone who should have a bias towards brotherhood. I watched it first, and it was one of my first anime. 2. I am not downplaying brotherhood, I never did. The only thing I dislike about brotherhood is father, everything else is great, and I did talk about a ton of the stuff that I liked more in it. This is not a difference between something I love and hate. I gave brotherhood an 8, fma 2003 a low 9, and the fma 2006 movie a 7. So overall, they are pretty close to me, 2003 barely edges it out. I am not downplaying brotherhood. I love brotherhood. |
APolygons2Mar 16, 9:50 AM
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Mar 16, 9:39 AM
#32
Reply to Rinrinka
No I'm good, but thanks for the friendly reminder as well as giving your opinion about the show~
@Rinrinka I think you should give it a chance and make up your own mind. My opinion doesn't matter. it is very a different experience with similar elements. I would say it's worth just to see for yourself which one you end up liking more. |
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Mar 16, 10:16 AM
#33
APolygons2 said: ShamankinguYoh said: It’s almost like Father being a hypocritical character was the point. It would be hypocrisy if he was against something that he did. But he literally takes out his pride and creates a physical manifestation of it, if he has pride after that, it means he DIDN'T do it. But the show never says anything like "you can't remove your sins", in fact it says the opposite, it says he is foolish to think getting rid of those sins makes him complete. And besides, even If I were to except this lame excuse, It still wouldn't excuse the other two issues with him. ShamankinguYoh said: How does it make any sense for homunculus to be born from human transmutation, when they’re supposed to be based on the seven deadly sins? really? You think the homunculi being the seven deadly sins without a massive reason is your show ruining issue? This is a nit pick. It wouldn't be hard to come up with an excuse for it, and frankly, if there was a reason given, it wouldn't change the story of the show at all. It's not like it breaks any of the rules like father's origin, it's just a "thing" that exists. ShamankinguYoh said: Envy being Ed’s half brother as a shock value and force the bittersweet ending It wasn't shock value my man, It was the entire point of him being called envy. It was his motivation for being envy, him being jealous of Edward because he was discarded by his father. ShamankinguYoh said: the world being tied to reality, That was a great twist. It was shocking, and explained where the energy the alchemists use come from. It's a far more interesting reason than the door, which was the most boring possible reason. It also builds on the themes of the show, and sets up the final act which is the movie. ShamankinguYoh said: the ridiculously shitty and contrived final battle between Mustang and Bradley where his son randomly comes back to the manor to give Mustang the skull he needs to kill Bradley Was it convenient? Sure, fma is by no means flawless. but again, this is not a huge deal. It's a small not pick. There is so much great about that fight, the a convenient like this barely affects it. not to mention, brotherhood does also have plenty of plot convenient moments, biggest example is at the end of the show. When Father's attack just happened to knock everyone out for long enough, Alphand had to sacrifice himself to get arms, but just for NOT long enough that they could get up and cheer on Ed 2 minutes later. THAT is far more convenient, than son of Bradely bringing back his skull, because he thought it would somehow help. but neither of these, not even the brotherhood one which is much worse is by any means show ruining. ShamankinguYoh said: Tucker living and fusing with the damn chimera, Now you're just describing the plot points, not even pointing out what's wrong with them ShamankinguYoh said: sloth being the mother, That was like one of the best parts, how could you possibly dislike something that challenges the morals and ideals of the characters so damn perfectly and makes their encounter with dante more personal in the proccess? ShamankinguYoh said: That’s what I take issue with, but also just how incredibly unsatisfying the ending is and how many characters and plot lines were wasted. The movie was sadly cut short, so yeah, it was unsatisfying in a lot of ways, winry and teacher didn't get nearly enough screen time. and roy's arc felt unfinished, as if the middle was cut. I would never call it "incredibly unsatisfying" though. Ed and Al had a satisfying end, so did all the homunculus, dante, and most of the other characters. ShamankinguYoh said: All you 2003 fans talk about are themes, which are not as deep or rich as you think, while downplaying the thematic strength of the original work. 1. I finished 2003 yesterday, so the "fan" you are talking about has is someone who should have a bias towards brotherhood. I watched it first, and it was one of my first anime. 2. I am not downplaying brotherhood, I never did. The only thing I dislike about brotherhood is father, everything else is great, and I did talk about a ton of the stuff that I liked more in it. This is not a difference between something I love and hate. I gave brotherhood an 8, fma 2003 a low 9, and the fma 2006 movie a 7. So overall, they are pretty close to me, 2003 barely edges it out. I am not downplaying brotherhood. I love brotherhood. Man I’m done with this. You like 2003, so be it. I think it’s a narrative train wreck. What seem like small nit picks to you are important elements of the story and it’s a problem that they weren’t addressed. That’s the problem with 2003. It tries to be it’s own story and Fullmetal Alchemist at the same time and has an identity crisis as well as general narrative issues. It doesn’t even come close to the canon series in any respect. I didn’t even get into all the problems I have with the show. But whatever. I refuse to go back and forth with this anymore. Agree to disagree. |
Mar 16, 10:58 AM
#34
That is not bad advice. Unfortunately, I dislike both shows. |
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Mar 16, 11:44 AM
#35
Reply to ShamankinguYoh
APolygons2 said:
It would be hypocrisy if he was against something that he did. But he literally takes out his pride and creates a physical manifestation of it, if he has pride after that, it means he DIDN'T do it.
But the show never says anything like "you can't remove your sins", in fact it says the opposite, it says he is foolish to think getting rid of those sins makes him complete.
And besides, even If I were to except this lame excuse, It still wouldn't excuse the other two issues with him.
really? You think the homunculi being the seven deadly sins without a massive reason is your show ruining issue? This is a nit pick. It wouldn't be hard to come up with an excuse for it, and frankly, if there was a reason given, it wouldn't change the story of the show at all. It's not like it breaks any of the rules like father's origin, it's just a "thing" that exists.
It wasn't shock value my man, It was the entire point of him being called envy. It was his motivation for being envy, him being jealous of Edward because he was discarded by his father.
That was a great twist. It was shocking, and explained where the energy the alchemists use come from. It's a far more interesting reason than the door, which was the most boring possible reason.
It also builds on the themes of the show, and sets up the final act which is the movie.
Was it convenient? Sure, fma is by no means flawless. but again, this is not a huge deal. It's a small not pick.
There is so much great about that fight, the a convenient like this barely affects it. not to mention, brotherhood does also have plenty of plot convenient moments, biggest example is at the end of the show.
When Father's attack just happened to knock everyone out for long enough, Alphand had to sacrifice himself to get arms, but just for NOT long enough that they could get up and cheer on Ed 2 minutes later. THAT is far more convenient, than son of Bradely bringing back his skull, because he thought it would somehow help.
but neither of these, not even the brotherhood one which is much worse is by any means show ruining.
Now you're just describing the plot points, not even pointing out what's wrong with them
That was like one of the best parts, how could you possibly dislike something that challenges the morals and ideals of the characters so damn perfectly and makes their encounter with dante more personal in the proccess?
The movie was sadly cut short, so yeah, it was unsatisfying in a lot of ways, winry and teacher didn't get nearly enough screen time. and roy's arc felt unfinished, as if the middle was cut.
I would never call it "incredibly unsatisfying" though.
Ed and Al had a satisfying end, so did all the homunculus, dante, and most of the other characters.
1. I finished 2003 yesterday, so the "fan" you are talking about has is someone who should have a bias towards brotherhood. I watched it first, and it was one of my first anime.
2. I am not downplaying brotherhood, I never did. The only thing I dislike about brotherhood is father, everything else is great, and I did talk about a ton of the stuff that I liked more in it.
This is not a difference between something I love and hate. I gave brotherhood an 8, fma 2003 a low 9, and the fma 2006 movie a 7. So overall, they are pretty close to me, 2003 barely edges it out.
I am not downplaying brotherhood. I love brotherhood.
ShamankinguYoh said:
It’s almost like Father being a hypocritical character was the point.
It’s almost like Father being a hypocritical character was the point.
It would be hypocrisy if he was against something that he did. But he literally takes out his pride and creates a physical manifestation of it, if he has pride after that, it means he DIDN'T do it.
But the show never says anything like "you can't remove your sins", in fact it says the opposite, it says he is foolish to think getting rid of those sins makes him complete.
And besides, even If I were to except this lame excuse, It still wouldn't excuse the other two issues with him.
ShamankinguYoh said:
How does it make any sense for homunculus to be born from human transmutation, when they’re supposed to be based on the seven deadly sins?
How does it make any sense for homunculus to be born from human transmutation, when they’re supposed to be based on the seven deadly sins?
really? You think the homunculi being the seven deadly sins without a massive reason is your show ruining issue? This is a nit pick. It wouldn't be hard to come up with an excuse for it, and frankly, if there was a reason given, it wouldn't change the story of the show at all. It's not like it breaks any of the rules like father's origin, it's just a "thing" that exists.
ShamankinguYoh said:
Envy being Ed’s half brother as a shock value and force the bittersweet ending
Envy being Ed’s half brother as a shock value and force the bittersweet ending
It wasn't shock value my man, It was the entire point of him being called envy. It was his motivation for being envy, him being jealous of Edward because he was discarded by his father.
ShamankinguYoh said:
the world being tied to reality,
the world being tied to reality,
That was a great twist. It was shocking, and explained where the energy the alchemists use come from. It's a far more interesting reason than the door, which was the most boring possible reason.
It also builds on the themes of the show, and sets up the final act which is the movie.
ShamankinguYoh said:
the ridiculously shitty and contrived final battle between Mustang and Bradley where his son randomly comes back to the manor to give Mustang the skull he needs to kill Bradley
the ridiculously shitty and contrived final battle between Mustang and Bradley where his son randomly comes back to the manor to give Mustang the skull he needs to kill Bradley
Was it convenient? Sure, fma is by no means flawless. but again, this is not a huge deal. It's a small not pick.
There is so much great about that fight, the a convenient like this barely affects it. not to mention, brotherhood does also have plenty of plot convenient moments, biggest example is at the end of the show.
When Father's attack just happened to knock everyone out for long enough, Alphand had to sacrifice himself to get arms, but just for NOT long enough that they could get up and cheer on Ed 2 minutes later. THAT is far more convenient, than son of Bradely bringing back his skull, because he thought it would somehow help.
but neither of these, not even the brotherhood one which is much worse is by any means show ruining.
ShamankinguYoh said:
Tucker living and fusing with the damn chimera,
Tucker living and fusing with the damn chimera,
Now you're just describing the plot points, not even pointing out what's wrong with them
ShamankinguYoh said:
sloth being the mother,
sloth being the mother,
That was like one of the best parts, how could you possibly dislike something that challenges the morals and ideals of the characters so damn perfectly and makes their encounter with dante more personal in the proccess?
ShamankinguYoh said:
That’s what I take issue with, but also just how incredibly unsatisfying the ending is and how many characters and plot lines were wasted.
That’s what I take issue with, but also just how incredibly unsatisfying the ending is and how many characters and plot lines were wasted.
The movie was sadly cut short, so yeah, it was unsatisfying in a lot of ways, winry and teacher didn't get nearly enough screen time. and roy's arc felt unfinished, as if the middle was cut.
I would never call it "incredibly unsatisfying" though.
Ed and Al had a satisfying end, so did all the homunculus, dante, and most of the other characters.
ShamankinguYoh said:
All you 2003 fans talk about are themes, which are not as deep or rich as you think, while downplaying the thematic strength of the original work.
All you 2003 fans talk about are themes, which are not as deep or rich as you think, while downplaying the thematic strength of the original work.
1. I finished 2003 yesterday, so the "fan" you are talking about has is someone who should have a bias towards brotherhood. I watched it first, and it was one of my first anime.
2. I am not downplaying brotherhood, I never did. The only thing I dislike about brotherhood is father, everything else is great, and I did talk about a ton of the stuff that I liked more in it.
This is not a difference between something I love and hate. I gave brotherhood an 8, fma 2003 a low 9, and the fma 2006 movie a 7. So overall, they are pretty close to me, 2003 barely edges it out.
I am not downplaying brotherhood. I love brotherhood.
Man I’m done with this. You like 2003, so be it. I think it’s a narrative train wreck. What seem like small nit picks to you are important elements of the story and it’s a problem that they weren’t addressed. That’s the problem with 2003. It tries to be it’s own story and Fullmetal Alchemist at the same time and has an identity crisis as well as general narrative issues. It doesn’t even come close to the canon series in any respect. I didn’t even get into all the problems I have with the show. But whatever. I refuse to go back and forth with this anymore. Agree to disagree.
ShamankinguYoh said: Agree to disagree. Agreed to disagree, I actually never even wanted to make an argument like this here. |
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Mar 16, 1:30 PM
#36
both versions are really good ngl maybe because for nostalgia or something, I like more the esthetic of the 2003 FMA, I feel the steampunk vibe more in 2003 version than in the 2009 brotherhood also, the Shambala movie is hella good considering the fact that was a original setting based on the canon |
Mar 16, 1:57 PM
#37
I like them both more or less equally. I feel like FMA 2003 has the stronger start while Brotherhood has the stronger back half, though 03's anime original material's fantastic too. I'd also argue that, as good as Brotherhood's animation and general presentation are, 03 has more creative art direction and better music. |
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Mar 16, 3:19 PM
#38
APolygons2 said: @YagamiLight_1212 @ 2003 was always going to be anime original, it plants seeds of it's later plot points from the very start. The ending of 2003 is bitter sweet, but how does it miss the whole point? It is thematic perfection. Now the movie DID suffer from a lot of story cuts that they had to make as compromise, so it ends up being a bit lacking, but that isn't a bad ending either. Brotherhood was made because 2003 ended up being a completely different story, not because it was bad. 2003s reception was never "poor" despite the controversial ending. Brotherhood's existence wasn't because 2003 adapted the manga poorly, or because it was bad. It existed because 2003 didn't adapt the manga at all, and was it's own story after a certain point. No, no, no. It was not always going to be anime original. There’s no evidence of that anywhere online or from the author at all. Anywhere you look will tell you the same thing. The anime caught up to the manga too quickly and the author Hiromu Arakawa couldn’t stop the anime so she decided to ask animating studio to create it’s own storyline based on what was published at the time which was about 28 chapters out of 108. I never once said FMA was “bad” or the reception was “poor” please don’t misconstrue my words here. I enjoyed FMA (look at my rating if you don’t believe me), but when I compare the two shows, I prefer to go with FMAB, because it’s the faithful adaptation of what Arakawa had written. I also want to state there’s absolutely nothing wrong with AOE, but I would rather watch a show that is faithfully adapted from the manga vs an anime original ending. The author wrote it a certain way and if they wrote it that way who am I to judge and say it should’ve ended or been written another way? If it weren’t for them we wouldn’t have the story in the first place. The whole reason there are two versions of the show is simple: it’s just that popular, and always has been. The manga was popular enough to create an anime so early in its run that it had create an original ending (not make the whole anime original from the get go) it was only natural to adapt Fullmetal alchemist again once the manga was (nearly) finished, especially since the two had diverged so massively. I’m not looking to fight here, I’m just here to explain the reason why there were two different shows. |
Mar 16, 4:07 PM
#39
YagamiLight_1212 said: APolygons2 said: @YagamiLight_1212 @ 2003 was always going to be anime original, it plants seeds of it's later plot points from the very start. The ending of 2003 is bitter sweet, but how does it miss the whole point? It is thematic perfection. Now the movie DID suffer from a lot of story cuts that they had to make as compromise, so it ends up being a bit lacking, but that isn't a bad ending either. Brotherhood was made because 2003 ended up being a completely different story, not because it was bad. 2003s reception was never "poor" despite the controversial ending. Brotherhood's existence wasn't because 2003 adapted the manga poorly, or because it was bad. It existed because 2003 didn't adapt the manga at all, and was it's own story after a certain point. No, no, no. It was not always going to be anime original. There’s no evidence of that anywhere online or from the author at all. Anywhere you look will tell you the same thing. The anime caught up to the manga too quickly and the author Hiromu Arakawa couldn’t stop the anime so she decided to ask animating studio to create it’s own storyline based on what was published at the time which was about 28 chapters out of 108. I never once said FMA was “bad” or the reception was “poor” please don’t misconstrue my words here. I enjoyed FMA (look at my rating if you don’t believe me), but when I compare the two shows, I prefer to go with FMAB, because it’s the faithful adaptation of what Arakawa had written. I also want to state there’s absolutely nothing wrong with AOE, but I would rather watch a show that is faithfully adapted from the manga vs an anime original ending. The author wrote it a certain way and if they wrote it that way who am I to judge and say it should’ve ended or been written another way? If it weren’t for them we wouldn’t have the story in the first place. The whole reason there are two versions of the show is simple: it’s just that popular, and always has been. The manga was popular enough to create an anime so early in its run that it had create an original ending (not make the whole anime original from the get go) it was only natural to adapt Fullmetal alchemist again once the manga was (nearly) finished, especially since the two had diverged so massively. I’m not looking to fight here, I’m just here to explain the reason why there were two different shows. Agreed, you can really tell in this series how they tried to transform concepts that weren’t fully complete by the time the anime released into new anime original concepts. One thing that just generally annoys me especially these days is that people don’t read manga, especially older manga, like this one for instance. And if it has an anime adaptation at all, forget about it. I read FMA back in 2010 soon after it finished, and it seems like most people just take the two anime as just outright replacements that make the manga irrelevant. Who is jumping into the FMA universe with the manga in 2024? Probably only a handful of people. It’s a bit frustrating because I prefer manga over anime adaptations most of the time because certain things get lost in the adaptation process or just aren’t executed well in anime form. Especially back in the day, anime adaptations were mostly doomed to be unfinished, bloated and filler ridden. Many of my favorite shonen back in the day dealt with this. I really just don’t feel like older manga source material gets the credit and respect it deserves. |
Mar 16, 4:12 PM
#40
Reply to YagamiLight_1212
APolygons2 said:
@YagamiLight_1212 @
2003 was always going to be anime original, it plants seeds of it's later plot points from the very start.
The ending of 2003 is bitter sweet, but how does it miss the whole point? It is thematic perfection.
Now the movie DID suffer from a lot of story cuts that they had to make as compromise, so it ends up being a bit lacking, but that isn't a bad ending either.
Brotherhood was made because 2003 ended up being a completely different story, not because it was bad. 2003s reception was never "poor" despite the controversial ending. Brotherhood's existence wasn't because 2003 adapted the manga poorly, or because it was bad.
It existed because 2003 didn't adapt the manga at all, and was it's own story after a certain point.
@YagamiLight_1212 @
2003 was always going to be anime original, it plants seeds of it's later plot points from the very start.
The ending of 2003 is bitter sweet, but how does it miss the whole point? It is thematic perfection.
Now the movie DID suffer from a lot of story cuts that they had to make as compromise, so it ends up being a bit lacking, but that isn't a bad ending either.
Brotherhood was made because 2003 ended up being a completely different story, not because it was bad. 2003s reception was never "poor" despite the controversial ending. Brotherhood's existence wasn't because 2003 adapted the manga poorly, or because it was bad.
It existed because 2003 didn't adapt the manga at all, and was it's own story after a certain point.
No, no, no. It was not always going to be anime original. There’s no evidence of that anywhere online or from the author at all. Anywhere you look will tell you the same thing. The anime caught up to the manga too quickly and the author Hiromu Arakawa couldn’t stop the anime so she decided to ask animating studio to create it’s own storyline based on what was published at the time which was about 28 chapters out of 108. I never once said FMA was “bad” or the reception was “poor” please don’t misconstrue my words here. I enjoyed FMA (look at my rating if you don’t believe me), but when I compare the two shows, I prefer to go with FMAB, because it’s the faithful adaptation of what Arakawa had written. I also want to state there’s absolutely nothing wrong with AOE, but I would rather watch a show that is faithfully adapted from the manga vs an anime original ending. The author wrote it a certain way and if they wrote it that way who am I to judge and say it should’ve ended or been written another way? If it weren’t for them we wouldn’t have the story in the first place. The whole reason there are two versions of the show is simple: it’s just that popular, and always has been. The manga was popular enough to create an anime so early in its run that it had create an original ending (not make the whole anime original from the get go) it was only natural to adapt Fullmetal alchemist again once the manga was (nearly) finished, especially since the two had diverged so massively. I’m not looking to fight here, I’m just here to explain the reason why there were two different shows.
YagamiLight_1212 said: It was not always going to be anime original. There’s no evidence of that anywhere online or from the author at all. I'm not looking for a fight. Brotherhood is a fantastic story, and I can fully see why someone may like it more. Even for me, they are very close in quality, they each have their own strengths and weaknesses. But I will argue about this specific point that you made, cause why do you need the author to say it, when the evidence is right in the show itself? We see flashes of Lust's past, extremely early on. The girl who dante takes over the body of, was an anime original character. shou tucker surviving was also something that only happened because they planned to change the story. Listen, anime production is not a fast process. you can't really start a 50 episode long show, and only descide what to do in the second half right when you reach it. Writing stories takes time, even if it is following a foundation made by someone else. It literally would make 0 sense to say they just started writing the anime original stuff AFTER they got to that point while adapting it. and again, there are several plot points and hints super early on, that purely exist to fuel the changes. |
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Mar 16, 4:34 PM
#41
APolygons2 said: YagamiLight_1212 said: It was not always going to be anime original. There’s no evidence of that anywhere online or from the author at all. I'm not looking for a fight. Brotherhood is a fantastic story, and I can fully see why someone may like it more. Even for me, they are very close in quality, they each have their own strengths and weaknesses. But I will argue about this specific point that you made, cause why do you need the author to say it, when the evidence is right in the show itself? We see flashes of Lust's past, extremely early on. The girl who dante takes over the body of, was an anime original character. shou tucker surviving was also something that only happened because they planned to change the story. Listen, anime production is not a fast process. you can't really start a 50 episode long show, and only descide what to do in the second half right when you reach it. Writing stories takes time, even if it is following a foundation made by someone else. It literally would make 0 sense to say they just started writing the anime original stuff AFTER they got to that point while adapting it. and again, there are several plot points and hints super early on, that purely exist to fuel the changes. They are both fantastic shows. You can argue that point all you want, but why do I need the author to say it? Because the author created the story and If you don’t want to believe that the anime caught up so early that the author went ahead and told the animation studio to create their own story because at the time it was only 28 chapters in out of 108 due to “it’s in the show” vs what is actual knowledge then I can’t help you. That’s not an argument that’s just I believe it to be this way and nothing the author or anyone else says can change my mind than you are just ignorant to the facts around you. I’m very well aware anime production is not a fast process. I didn’t just start watching anime the other day. I’ve been watching/reading for a while now. I mean it definitely wouldn’t be the first time that’s happened. It’s actually fairly common for anime to outpace source material. I.e. why filler, AOE, etc. exists. |
Mar 16, 4:37 PM
#42
Oh, really? That's great. I mean, it's 2024 and everybody just moved on with their lifes, but sure - 2003 Version exists. We knew. Hey, at least you put a new spin on this decades old discussion. Oh, wait.. You didn't. You just finished it, then told us about it and got some of the facts wrong, in the process. Well, thanks for keeping us updated. Sincerly, Your loyal Fan |
Mar 16, 4:53 PM
#43
KarateJones said: Why would i watch that when it’s not canon? Brotherhood IS the definitive version since it’s adapted from the source material properly There are various reasons to watch it; first of all in the 2003 series he also worked on it Hiromu Arakawa in person, secondly Brotherhood IS NOT the definitive version at all as it is full and full of useless no sense changes compared to the manga. But above all, when will you stop with this obtuse mentality where one excludes the other and you judge (and often even review bomb) without even having seen the product? Did you know, for example, that many parts of the first volumes of the manga are reproduced more faithfully in the 2003 series? Or that in Brotherhood many parts of the plot are rushed? Please stop all this unconditional hatred towards everything other than Brotherhood, especially towards the 2003 series. |
Mar 16, 4:59 PM
#44
ShamankinguYoh said: Here we go again with this nonsense. 2003 is garbage and most of it makes no sense. Your comment makes no sense and is garbage since it demonstrates nothing more than a thick headed argument-free way of thinking and places your personal taste as an objective fact. P.S.: Before writing this, have you ever seen the 2003 series? |
Mar 16, 5:02 PM
#45
Reply to YagamiLight_1212
APolygons2 said:
I'm not looking for a fight.
Brotherhood is a fantastic story, and I can fully see why someone may like it more. Even for me, they are very close in quality, they each have their own strengths and weaknesses.
But I will argue about this specific point that you made, cause why do you need the author to say it, when the evidence is right in the show itself?
We see flashes of Lust's past, extremely early on. The girl who dante takes over the body of, was an anime original character. shou tucker surviving was also something that only happened because they planned to change the story.
Listen, anime production is not a fast process. you can't really start a 50 episode long show, and only descide what to do in the second half right when you reach it. Writing stories takes time, even if it is following a foundation made by someone else.
It literally would make 0 sense to say they just started writing the anime original stuff AFTER they got to that point while adapting it. and again, there are several plot points and hints super early on, that purely exist to fuel the changes.
YagamiLight_1212 said:
It was not always going to be anime original. There’s no evidence of that anywhere online or from the author at all.
It was not always going to be anime original. There’s no evidence of that anywhere online or from the author at all.
I'm not looking for a fight.
Brotherhood is a fantastic story, and I can fully see why someone may like it more. Even for me, they are very close in quality, they each have their own strengths and weaknesses.
But I will argue about this specific point that you made, cause why do you need the author to say it, when the evidence is right in the show itself?
We see flashes of Lust's past, extremely early on. The girl who dante takes over the body of, was an anime original character. shou tucker surviving was also something that only happened because they planned to change the story.
Listen, anime production is not a fast process. you can't really start a 50 episode long show, and only descide what to do in the second half right when you reach it. Writing stories takes time, even if it is following a foundation made by someone else.
It literally would make 0 sense to say they just started writing the anime original stuff AFTER they got to that point while adapting it. and again, there are several plot points and hints super early on, that purely exist to fuel the changes.
They are both fantastic shows. You can argue that point all you want, but why do I need the author to say it? Because the author created the story and If you don’t want to believe that the anime caught up so early that the author went ahead and told the animation studio to create their own story because at the time it was only 28 chapters in out of 108 due to “it’s in the show” vs what is actual knowledge then I can’t help you. That’s not an argument that’s just I believe it to be this way and nothing the author or anyone else says can change my mind than you are just ignorant to the facts around you. I’m very well aware anime production is not a fast process. I didn’t just start watching anime the other day. I’ve been watching/reading for a while now. I mean it definitely wouldn’t be the first time that’s happened. It’s actually fairly common for anime to outpace source material. I.e. why filler, AOE, etc. exists.
YagamiLight_1212 said: that the anime caught up so early that the author went ahead and told the animation studio to create their own story It's not about believing. It just doesn't make sense. Why did they make the changes before running out of manga content changes then? Why did they give hints to events that only happen in the 2003 anime original story so early on? If their goal wasn't an anime original from the start, the when did it become their goal? Of course it out paced the original, I wasn't saying it never adapted the manga. I was saying they knew from the start that they would catch up at some point, and had planned to make it an anime original. If the author gave them permission to go anime original, it must have happened way earlier on. It couldn't be after they caught up, cause there wasn't a break. It's not like they just wrote animated and storyboarded each episode by the week. if you know how anime productions work, then you know these things take planning. you can't just suddenly change to anime original on the spot. I'm not saying you are lying and the author didn't give them permission. I'm not saying 2003 didn't start being based on the manga. I am saying, they built it up with the idea that it will catch up at some point. |
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Mar 16, 5:02 PM
#46
APolygons2 said: I just finished 2003, and I actually ended up liking it more than brotherhood. Brotherhood is not the definitive version, it's just a different one. frankly, the themes and ideas feel almost dumbed down here. and I for one think the character arcs of 2003 are somehow even better. It's a lot more sombre, and honestly barely feels like a shounen at times, but if you like this series, 2003 is a lot more than a shlob that should be skipped in favour of brotherhood. It's actually a fantastic show in it's own right. That is NOT to say you will necessarily like it more too, the scores would tell me that you probably won't. And there are a lot of things that brotherhood does do far better, it being far more tightly written with far better action is just the start of why brotherhood can be seen as the better one. But 2003 is a completely different experience built up on the same foundation, and that is not an experience you will get to have every day. I love FMA03! For me: FMAmanga>FMA03>>>>>FMAB |
Mar 16, 5:09 PM
#47
Reply to a_cord
APolygons2 said:
I just finished 2003, and I actually ended up liking it more than brotherhood. Brotherhood is not the definitive version, it's just a different one.
frankly, the themes and ideas feel almost dumbed down here.
and I for one think the character arcs of 2003 are somehow even better. It's a lot more sombre, and honestly barely feels like a shounen at times, but if you like this series, 2003 is a lot more than a shlob that should be skipped in favour of brotherhood. It's actually a fantastic show in it's own right.
That is NOT to say you will necessarily like it more too, the scores would tell me that you probably won't.
And there are a lot of things that brotherhood does do far better, it being far more tightly written with far better action is just the start of why brotherhood can be seen as the better one.
But 2003 is a completely different experience built up on the same foundation, and that is not an experience you will get to have every day.
I just finished 2003, and I actually ended up liking it more than brotherhood. Brotherhood is not the definitive version, it's just a different one.
frankly, the themes and ideas feel almost dumbed down here.
and I for one think the character arcs of 2003 are somehow even better. It's a lot more sombre, and honestly barely feels like a shounen at times, but if you like this series, 2003 is a lot more than a shlob that should be skipped in favour of brotherhood. It's actually a fantastic show in it's own right.
That is NOT to say you will necessarily like it more too, the scores would tell me that you probably won't.
And there are a lot of things that brotherhood does do far better, it being far more tightly written with far better action is just the start of why brotherhood can be seen as the better one.
But 2003 is a completely different experience built up on the same foundation, and that is not an experience you will get to have every day.
I love FMA03! For me: FMAmanga>FMA03>>>>>FMAB
Brotherhood is also great. This was never meant to be a giant VS for butt hurt arguments, I just wanted to say. watch 2003 too, you might like it just as much, if not even more. THAT'S IT. |
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Mar 16, 5:12 PM
#48
Reply to Merve2Love
Oh, really? That's great.
I mean, it's 2024 and everybody just moved on with their lifes, but sure - 2003 Version exists. We knew.
Hey, at least you put a new spin on this decades old discussion. Oh, wait.. You didn't. You just finished it, then told us about it and got some of the facts wrong, in the process.
Well, thanks for keeping us updated.
Sincerly,
Your loyal Fan
I mean, it's 2024 and everybody just moved on with their lifes, but sure - 2003 Version exists. We knew.
Hey, at least you put a new spin on this decades old discussion. Oh, wait.. You didn't. You just finished it, then told us about it and got some of the facts wrong, in the process.
Well, thanks for keeping us updated.
Sincerly,
Your loyal Fan
@Merve2Love It's honestly sad how desperate you are to be so damn negative about everything. at first I found it annoying, but it's honestly just sad. It's not that serious. Humans repeat discussion, new fans will argue about what the old ones did, and that will happen for as long as there are multiple sides to a discussion. You don't have to be snarky asshole about it, don't find it interesting or new? leave, why do you see the need to leave a comment like this on every single thread you find? I can't imagine it's fun |
APolygons2Mar 16, 5:17 PM
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Mar 16, 5:16 PM
#49
Reply to APolygons2
@Merve2Love It's honestly sad how desperate you are to be so damn negative about everything. at first I found it annoying, but it's honestly just sad. It's not that serious.
Humans repeat discussion, new fans will argue about what the old ones did, and that will happen for as long as there are multiple sides to a discussion. You don't have to be snarky asshole about it, don't find it interesting or new? leave, why do you see the need to leave a comment like this on every single thread you find?
I can't imagine it's fun
Humans repeat discussion, new fans will argue about what the old ones did, and that will happen for as long as there are multiple sides to a discussion. You don't have to be snarky asshole about it, don't find it interesting or new? leave, why do you see the need to leave a comment like this on every single thread you find?
I can't imagine it's fun
@APolygons2 Im not, tho^^ It's the truth. I DO think you're annoying and incredibly narcissistic, don't get me wrong, but that's not because I just want to be negative, for sake of it. It's that you're the one desperate to insert yourself into any possible conversation - no matter how old or irrelevant. You want people to know what you're thinking. Thing is: You're thoughts aren't anything unique or even just something that is interesting. You're acting like this needed to be said, when it's just "Hey, I finished an Anime, guys" |
Mar 16, 5:19 PM
#50
APolygons2 said: YagamiLight_1212 said: that the anime caught up so early that the author went ahead and told the animation studio to create their own story It's not about believing. It just doesn't make sense. Why did they make the changes before running out of manga content changes then? Why did they give hints to events that only happen in the 2003 anime original story so early on? If their goal wasn't an anime original from the start, the when did it become their goal? Of course it out paced the original, I wasn't saying it never adapted the manga. I was saying they knew from the start that they would catch up at some point, and had planned to make it an anime original. If the author gave them permission to go anime original, it must have happened way earlier on. It couldn't be after they caught up, cause there wasn't a break. It's not like they just wrote animated and storyboarded each episode by the week. if you know how anime productions work, then you know these things take planning. you can't just suddenly change to anime original on the spot. I'm not saying you are lying and the author didn't give them permission. I'm not saying 2003 didn't start being based on the manga. I am saying, they built it up with the idea that it will catch up at some point. I don’t think you are reading what I’m saying to you and I can’t argue with someone who isn’t willing to have a conversation and is so thick headed that he can’t see the other side of argument. What I’m telling you is the facts. The anime caught up to the source material and it happens all the time. That’s why we have filler episodes, that’s why we get breaks on shows, that’s why there are anime original episodes. It happens all the time. They had 28 chapters to work with and the author told them they could do what they wanted with the story after that because the manga wasn’t finished. Even if she had an end goal in mind the manga wasn’t finished. You yourself said that there were adaptations from the manga in the 03 version which that very fact destroys your whole it was anime original from the get go. I can’t entertain this conversation with you anymore. Have a good night my friend ✌️ |
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