Having finally completed the Kara no Kyoukai anime film series from the first movie to the last special in a span of nine days, I'm disappointed in stating with no intention of instigating ill that this story is overrated and not very good, but please disregard that as that is not the point of this thread.
... Or rather, I should clarify in saying that, with some mediocre points it had, the anime was too flawed of an adaptation to give fulfillment of truly comprehending the story and Shiki Ryougi as the most intriguing mysterious character out of the whole story.
Unfortunately with the remaining holes of context and not having read the novels, I can't properly appreciate Kara no Kyoukai for what it really is, yet.
Disregarding some odd characters and events, throughout watching the story of the movies, I was always left with mystifying questions till the end with how the intense mystery felt mindless in pretext until the conclusion which revealed reason to an extent but never fully explained the depth in the roots of the characters' behavior.
With my notes that I carefully wrote at every watch, flawed to my assumptions and interpretation of the movies, I'll attempt to summarize some of my concerning questions and breakdown every movie of their plots and lacking context from what I understood.
Once I'm done, I'll watch The Lore of Kara no Kyoukai which I hope clarifies all, if not, some of my wonders.
... In short to some of my questions;
What is everyone's origin. How did Shiki's family instill an empty origin into Shiki's body and ...
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_____ 「Kara no Kyoukai 1」 _____
Shiki and Mikiya are introduced into the story as friends, with Touko a dollmaker [A Magician Detective] who sends Shiki to investigate the four suicides of random girls occurring in a building, while Mikiya is unconscious on the sofa since the occurrence of those deaths.
Kirie, the first daughter of the Fujyou building, [Souren's victim] a blind girl with an incurable disease in the hospital for ten years, who possessed girls to fly with her as ghosts was later defeated by Shiki and exposed by Touko to then commit suicide which relieves Mikiya out of his coma, who she loved out of jealousy when she constantly saw him with flowers visiting Shiki.
In their battle, Shiki was shown to have extraordinary inhuman athletic abilities with glowing eyes [Mystic Eyes of Death Perception], along with an artificial arm that can [strangle spirits]. Touko mentioned of Mikiya to Shiki of being fascinated by her dolls and wanting to work for her urgently when they met, and that a doll that looked like her was his favorite.
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... I'll have to look into all my notes again after I wake up to see what I don't remember of Kirie if anything was slightly revealed but in any case. ... I was always 'curious as to how exactly Souren influenced Kirie as an experiment to kill others, attract Shiki and how he brought out her origin. I don't understand exactly how he brings out someone's origin. How does it look like and how does he do it? They've never shown it in the anime.
Kara no Kyoukai is generally considered to be the best adaptation among all of Type-Moon's works except maybe for the 6th movie (at least according to those who actually read the novels which is not me lul) so I'm certain the movies do a great job of conveying the story.
Anyway, KNK isn't something that you can understand on the very first watch and I'm not saying this to be pretentious lmao but it really is true. Compared to other Type-Moon works that are very detailed, KNK values subtlety a lot and tackles a lot of psychological concepts and philosophies related to religion..
Incoming breakdown of Kara no Kyoukai with countless questions still a mystery. ...I'm fucking procrastinating. 'Not sure when I'll at least ask all of my questions but hopefully I complete my breakdown sooner than later.
Typical procrastination.
I don't know if I'll properly remember to clearly explain my feelings and breakdown every movie with my notes by the time I do, if ever, haha.
If I do, I'll watch that youtube video to refresh my memory while it will probably clarify and maybe answer some of my questions before I post my full breakdown.
It's long and tedious to do so I'm not sure if I'll ever finish this.
I don't think I'll ever finish this and I almost doubt I'll be able properly breakdown clearly the questions I had from memory since it's been so long,
So with that being said, I'll reveal my summary notes at least.
... KnK 1-5
Leaves her strawberry which she doesn't like, warns her to leave her door locked even though she doesn't mind if he enters without knocking.
Touko, a doll maker who uses metaphors for life conversations.
Mikiya. First fascinated by her dolls and wanted to work for her urgently.
As four suicides of random girls occur over the fujyou building, Shiki notices 8 ghosts on top of it on the day of the fifth victim.
On a day she realizes Mikiya has been missing when somehow she's been hallucinating that he's been present ... or he's unconscious lying on the sofa in a coma everyday... she goes to the building and gets attacked by the cursed ghost who possesses her artifical arm when attempting to kill her.
Using a knife and glowing eyes, she cuts it to free herself.
At a time she was depressed, he was interested in a doll that looked like Shiki.
After Shiki kills the ghosts. It's revealed that it was the unconscious spirits of the victims along with a blind bedridden girl who possessed them for wanting to fly, see and make friends. She fell in love with Mikiya who always had flowers (for Shiki who was once in the hospital?) after Touko confronts her ... she commits suicide like the others.
Mikiya wakes up.
Kirie, is the first daughter of the Fujyou building who was in the hospital for over 10 years from an incurable disease.
1998.
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1995
Saw her in the snow, found her beautiful, first year of high school, finds her in the opening ceremony.
As she walks out the empty town, she wonders if she wants to be alone or thinks she does.
car crash with blood, she touches it, puts it into her lips and smiles.
Wearing a kimono he wonders what she'll wear on winter over it, a leather jacket, he questions.
A murder occurs unpublished to the news yet. Mikiya knows from a source. Someone was stabbed to death and left with only his arms and legs out.
A fourth case. Ying Yang carved on the body's corpse. After school activities get cancelled.
A male student who she doesn't know asks if she's looking for Mikiya, and wonders to her if four is too much.
As she remembers her kills, she asks Mikiya who's waiting with her through the rain where he was. Student council to bid farewell to an upperclassmen, Rio. Rio dropped out since he found something he wants to do.
He asks her why she didn't come when he invited her.
As she kills a fifth man. The next day she's fight training with the katana against her father.
She disregards her servant and claims her older brother is the successor when in reality she will be since she inherited the power.
As she looks in the mirror, she wonders what Mikiya will think if he knew she had a split personality.
A classmate asks if they're dating, and that everyone knows he has a crush. Mikiya responds they're just friends. Others find her scary. He indirectly agrees that he has a crush. Compared to a rabbit. Lonely.
Receiving a letter from Shiki. On a date. She's an hour late and seems aggressive and not reserved like her usual self. Her other personality. She reveals it to him. They're the same but with different priorities. SHIKI wanted to talk to him. While Shiki didn't. Like an alter ego, her rebellious impulse. They're losing sync, even though Shiki has full control.
As Mikiya's older brother reveals info of the case, he shows him proof of his school's pendant as evidence to the killer.
A year later she's more isolated to others because she hates humans.
At a young age she lost trust in unconditional love from anyone, this she can't love any and rejects them all.
SHIKI believes she's not lonely since they have each other, but Shiki denies SHIKI even though Shiki should be the one to affirm.
SHIKI is Shiki's suppressed thoughts, thus she's killed her will. Her darkness. Murder. Shiki kills anyone who can bring SHIKI out. To protect herself, her inner thoughts. Which she reveals to Mikiya.
Irritated that he still associates himself with her, she asks him why. Fun to be with. Even though she's unusual, he accepts her. Not believing her last killing from her injury, she warns him she'll probably kill him too if this continues. While realizing this, he realizes he's crazy in love with her.
When he learns that his brother will be close to catching her from her injury, he gets a premonition of her next killing.
Failing to see her home. He gets in contact with the guy who warned her of four being too much.
Going back to her house, he finds her with her latest victim. She warns him of premonitions turning into reality.
He calls the ambulance but lies to his brother. He skips school. He's keeping watch out of her house to keep her from killing. Once he tells her he's not confident to talk about it, she ignores him. Days pass.
She confronts him, bluntly telling him she's killed. In denial, he wants to believe her, because he likes her. She invites him. But finally, out of her house once more, she tries to kill him. On top of him, with a dagger on his neck. Conflicted, she asks him to say something. I don't want to die. She replies. I want to kill you. Two years later.
Working with Touko. He doesn't comprehend why she killed, but he believes in her, because he likes her. In his mind, she didn't kill. Visits her in the hospital, every weekend.
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Fujino getting raped.
Mikiya finds her alone in the streets. Asks her if her stomach hurts. She claims yes, asking if she can cry. He lets her. Giving her his hospitality in his home. The next morning she disappears after sleeping at his house.
The news announces dead people.
Touko who's broke can't pay Mikiya's monthly payment. She bought a ouija board instead.
Touko and Shiki are investigating the case, but Shiki knows as their the same kind that they'll try to kill each other when they first meet without needing a picture of her.
Mikiya is now broke who dropped out of college. His parents don't talk to him anymore, so he's asking Gakuto for money. In return for lending money, Gakuto asks to help him find the missing junior Keita. One of the guys involved in the rape.
Fujino and Azaka, Mikiya's younger sister are discussing together. Shiki comes instead of Mikiya.
Azaka seems to be under the impression that Fujino is afraid of men, and that she adores Keita, trying to find him, for whatever reason Azaka seems to hate Shiki.
Shiki then realizes who Fujino is. Asking if it hurts but quickly disregards after saying it's not her. After Shiki leaves, Fujino tells Azaka that Shiki is beautiful. But that she hates her.
While Mikiya is investigating. Fujino is twisting the limbs of another with her mind. She doesn't wish to kill but believes she has to to become normal. Shiki finds her.
After their spiritual glares clash, Shiki stops, telling her to go home and that it's not worth killing her.
Since a child, Fujino never felt any pain since she first cut herself by accident, not understanding what her mother meant by pain.
Keita tells Mikiya of how he raped her. That she never showed emotion, until she was hit in the back with a bat.
Since her stab wound she's seeked revenge even though it's healed because she feels emotional pain.
Fujino seems to be searching for pain once more by killing a driver to crash to her. .. Shiki now decides to stop her.
Since the day she hurt her ankle and was piggybacked by Mikiya ... she liked him?
Mikiya finds out that a medicine by a man is what took out her sensitivity. Her dad wanted to stop her painful bullying once the town knew of her powers.
Touko explains that she was always in pain and misunderstood the almost stab as the excuse of pain. Truly, her pain is appendicitis.
She couldn't kill Keita, and Mikiya never came as promised from his lil sis, that day? She's beyond help in the sense that she'll die from her condition.
Shiki doesn't forgive her for killing even though she's hypocritical but unconsciously knows how serious death is. The day they fought is when Shiki got her arm twisted. Her father ordered Touko to kill Fujino.
Shiki's eyes can see the death of things.
As she realizes she enjoys killing from Shiki's reveal, about to get killed by Shiki, she destroys the building.
Shiki asks if it hurts and says she should have said so. She stabs her disease. Fujino attained Clairvoyance.
Shiki can't bring herself to kill the Fujino who feels pain.
Mystic eyes of death perception. Touko makes her artificial arm capable of grabbing spirits.
Shiki is happy to have jealousy or love for Mikiya. Mikiya doesn't care for the murdered but he does feel sympathy for Fujino. Shiki's first true smile since leaving the hospital.
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Mikiya brings Shiki to the hospital unconscious. Blood loss. Operation. In a coma for 2 years. 1996. First day working with Touko.
Her split personality in her mind separates. When she wakes up she gets her eye power. As she marks the red lines of death of a flower, she kills it with her fingers. ... Out of fear, she injures her eyes. Touko comes to console Shiki as a counselor, as a speech therapist. To cure her aphasia. But she's actually a sorcerer.
A tattoo'd corpse passes by.
Upon realizing her split personality is gone, as Touko said she's alone, she cries.
Spirits surround her, as her split returns to her? We learn that her dual personality is male. He can control Shiki, but never chose to. They exist at the same time but experience differently. Composite individual personalities. But he chose to sleep. Shiki doesn't remember Mikiya's name.
Touko describes Shiki as empty. With a hole in her chest. Spirits continue to enter her. Touko suggests to interact with her like normal. So she can remember.
As she's about to leave the hospital the next day. Shiki is afraid to see and is about to blind herself which wouldn't stop her power anyways. Touko stops her. Mystic Eyes of Death Perception.
She's a magician, teaches her how to use her eyes. Does Touko have a split personality as well?
Her closeness to death, along with the car accident, is what gained her those powers. She doesn't have the will to live without Shiki-kun. Touko warns her that as a container, the spirits will possess and kill her. ... Did Shiki did to give her a candid life.
A possessed patient chokes her. As she fights. Touko can't kill it with fire. Shiki gets the dagger from Touko and kills it but the spirits possess her. Shiki stabs herself in killing them.
Touko asks of her on one condition. To work for, and she'll teach her how to use her powers since she lost her familiar.
Shiki accepts it since she has no intention. But Touko sees her hollowness as an ability to be filled with everything.
Shiki believes Shiki-kun left for a dream of happiness, even though she's lonely.
Finally, Mikiya visits her personally.
She learns that love is something that won't disappear.
A friend of Fujino's father, Souren, a magician will grant her the ability to move freely with another body. Claims he'll heal the abnormality in her body. He goes to a boy to victimize as well.
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Tomoe eating strawberry ice cream with Shiki sleeping in her room.
Souren stabbed in the neck, with Tomoe present.
His mother being abused by his father, stabs him in the neck. Attempts to kill Tomoe afterwards. He stabs her, with no blood on the knife. Picks her intenstines out. A burglar sees the death afterwards but sees the man alive with the cops answering the door.
Mikiya's cousin, Daisuke is interested in the case, but is working on another.
Tomoe is being chased by delinquents, drops a key. Now homeless, with his money wanting to be stolen, he gets beat up. Shiki appears. Bears them and retrieves his key. Asks to be hidden. She accepts.
After seeing her clear he reveals he killed someone. She doesn't feel like he looks like he did. She's the same she says.
His dream was to be a marathoner. His key can open all doors.
Always unknowing that his dad came back to life. Uneventful days pass. But he still has nightmares of his mother pleasing him to die.
Somehow he gets a sense that she slashed him but as an illusion. Followed by her saying you won't do. She was out to kill but couldn't find anyone worthy, she was about to kill him meaninglessly but didn't. He suggests to talk it over with friends. But Mikiya isn't here. He's far away. He feels inferior in not being that for her. She thinks she likes killing people.
He notices Shiki outside and sees someone following her who vanishes and tells her. As she wonders why she's worried about her, he reveals he likes her. She laughs. Claiming he'll do anything for her. She asks if he'd die for her. He says yes. Reveals his nightmare of dying by his mother, which is what caused him to kill them as bad parents to avoid that potential death.
As he should get the death penalty, he'd rather die by her but she refuses.
She asks where his emotional home is and that he should have protected his daily life.
A week later he's with Touko and Mikiya. Sees his mother in the streets.
Shiki has a katana now. They visit his house.
As they watch his nightmare in real time stuck in a loop of day and night, they leave. She tells him she doesn't know what it is. There's no blood, but that he's alive. She reveals his actual apartment.
Souren somehow tricked the elevator to lead to another apartment and different setting. He sees his real home 6 months with his dead parents. A puppet then attempts to kill him.
After she kills the puppets. Souren appears. But she can't see the lines of death on him. A man she fought against 2 years ago protecting Mikiya.
This apartment complex is what he created with a side that loops the death of their residence, with another that continues the daily life. He'd hope the loops would break as an experiment. Within a month he influenced everyone to kill themselves.
Kirie and Fujino were not effective to his experiment. Being close to death, Kirie chose death, while Shiki chose life. Kirie enjoyed killing, while Shiki respected it. He prepared them as sacrifices for her. Tomoe was a good influence.
Nothingness is her chaotic impulse and origin. He asks to see the darkness and recall her name. He wants to take her body. As she attacks him but gets captured and trapped into the wall. He claims to have lived 200 years. Tomoe runs away. Ying Yang. Two sides of the apartment? Hint?
Mikiya tries to enter her now locked apartment. Mikiya now has his driver's license. Touko was acquaintances of Souren and the blonde following Shiki mages. She uses puppets while Souren uses the soul to reach the origin of humans. She gave up. He was excommunicated because he saw the origin of people. She warns Mikiya of him to never go near him.
The blonde appears. Alba. His ability is to put brains into puppets. The apartment complex is his workshop. Azaka is in training from Touko. Somehow Shiki is present with them.
The goal of mages is the spiral of origin. Akashic Records. The source of every phenomenon, the cause of every event, the truth. The past mages who have reached it disappeared.
Petty of their relationship, Azaka insults Shiki asking if she's a man or a woman. Asking Mikiya. He agrees he'd probably love her regardless of gender.
Touko affirms to him that she's a girl but speaks like a guy as a reminder of Shiki-kun who's dead.
Mikiya and Touko go to the Ying yang building to investigate.
He doesn't realize that Shiki was with Tomoe. For some reason we never see Shiki on screen. I think Shiki is a puppet now. He attempts to go to her apartment at night but she doesn't answer.
20 of the 50 residents were made-up. When they enter a building. Tokou warns Mikiya to ignore him and not saying anything and so he'll leave without noticing. The blonde.
Tokou explains to Alba that past mages were killed by the counter. But he'll follow a path that's already open. Claiming it seems Shouren died trying to capture Shiki. Mikiya outbursts.
Shiki's power if from the origin.
Touko goes to bring Shiki back.
Tomoe is actually the one in Shiki's apartment.
After Shouren fails to save others. He decides to collect deaths and record them. A dream.
Tomoe is deluded into believing he made a promise to die for Shiki, even though he doesn't truly know what happened to his parents. Alba has a hatred for Touko which is what aided in her coming to them.
Shouren brought out Shiki's potential to open the door of the origin, but his experiment of the apartment complex failed, so he wants to transplant his brain into her body. He wants true wisdom within himself. He kills Tokou. But apparently through her beheaded she's still alive, which he gives to Alba.
Mikiya leads Tomoe to his home since 8.
Since the day his father drove drunk, he killed someone via car accident which lead to harrassment and bullying of Tomoe which made him quit track, depressed ignoring his parents. Even though a key was given to him to protect his home and mother as his dad asked.
Even though we still don't know what truly happened to them, Tomoe is decided on moving on.
They go to save Shiki. He gives his key to Mikiya. Tomoe finds brains connected to every apartment.
Alba was jealous of Touko being marked as inferior. He claims that Touko was titled with the highest in red in the academy. She wanted blue, but she was faulty in entering to get revenge on her sister who stole the right of their family's succession.
Tomoe finds his brain. He's a puppet. Touko returns as herself, since the other was her exact puppet. Shouren created Tomoe with an interest in Shiki, which is why he was able to escape the loop.
Tokou kills Alba. Shouren kills Tomoe. Who had an origin of worthlessness.
The Ying Yang Taiji apartment complex that he created was for Shiki to shut off from the outside world, a barrier stuck in space. With the presence of the left Katana. Stuck in a dream of everything from the origin. Shiki breaks free of her own will.
Shouren's goal with the power of the origin is to give meaning to every single death in the world.
His downfall was Tomoe's love for his family that flawed his barrier.
He vanishes from the blade of Shiki.
In some kind of illusion. In parallel. Shiki and Tomoe wave farewell to each other.
Shiki blushes asking for Mikiya's key to his house.
... KnK 6-7
1999. The sky. Origin? A picture.
Azaka as a child. Overhearing her parents and going to her brother. A distant memory she can't recall.
A dragonfly?
Magus Apprentice of master Touko and Shiki. Claiming Shiki as a rival in love. She's in love with Mikiya. She's his adopted sister. She became a magician to best Shiki.
Azaka's goal is to detect and eliminate magus who use fairies to spread anxiety among students of Reien academy. But only Shiki can see the fairies.
Followed by the dog of Azaka's roommate, Seo. Even though it's not allowed in school.
A teacher disappeared, so Satsuki will be the teacher to aid their case.
Rumor. Fairies who steal memories. A student, Kaori was believed to be killed by a fairy, and not suicide.
Misaya states that Satsuki isn't involved. The students refuse to talk about it to them. ... Shiki notices that Azaka is modest with Satsuki since he looks like Mikiya.
After Shiki chases after a fairy, Misaya calls out to Azaka.
Mikiya's father passed away.
Azaka wakes up from Shiki with her memory gone of what happened. Shiki tells her a fairy took it away. Her memory of Mikiya. Azaka finds the notebook case of Kaori. The day Kaori shouted for help of the fairies coming, the school was burned after. The memories of the students were then erased by the fairies. While Hideo's whereabouts are unknown.
Misaya seems to be the one controlling the fairies.
After Azaka pins Shiki down to take the knife she stole from the restaurant, Shiki teases that her strength would be enough to push Mikiya down. She comforts Azaka in saying that Mikiya doesn't know of her feelings.
Azaka confesses that she likes special, like taboo. But she doesn't remember when she fell in love.
Unknowing she gets a call from Mikiya but left before Shiki could wake up.
Azaka goes to the abandoned burned building of Kaori. Misaya appears and invites her to morning pray.
She wants to erase all disgrace of Kaori as her best friend. Azaka asks that she returns her lost memory of love and she'll let her go but Misaya can't and wouldn't stop anyway.
She wants to punish Hideo and the students who did nothing. Hideo was used as Misaya's familiar for the fairies.
She wakes up by Satsuki. Seemingly remembering.
Shiki announces to Azaka that the students of that event disappeared. When she plans to go to the forest, the space changes when Satsuki says there's nothing there. She wonders what Mikiya would do when she can't find Misaya.
As a child, Azaka asked Miziya why he wouldn't cry to his father's death.
Azaka calls Mikiya back to give info on Hideo as Shiki requested, with a message from Touko. Satsuki is a powerful mage, called God's Word. Touko isn't worried as he only controls people's recognition. She gave her music as a counter-measure to his words. She freely goes to the forest to find Misaya.
She finds the classmates ready to burn themselves.
As Shiki faces Satsuki. He announces that he came as requested by Shouren. Is aware of Shiki's lost memories in oblivion two years ago.
He claims his only role is to see her mind behind her words. He's only killing time with Misaya. Hideo commited suicide due to drug addiction. Misaya's revenge was a deluded illusion, from the rumors of the students and the power of Satsuki.
A white flower was possessing Misaya? Azaka kills it. Shiki returns after defeating Satsuki.
Azaka and Mikiya, with Shiki gone to her home. He reveals that Kaori was drugged by Hideo after she found him overdose. In reality she's alive in the hospital. Azaka forces him on a date.
Flashback. She remembers of when Mikiya claimed he can't cry because it's a special thing which is when made him precious to her.
... A boy bleeding. Killing and eating someone. A cannibal. To hide the corpse. The other victim of Shouren. Shouren tells him the origin will not open unless you awaken it.
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Mikiya ringing the doorbell with flowers to Shiki's new apartment. Using the key. From Tokou's exhibition. Sold her puppets. Shiki back in school.
The homicidal killings continue. 13 in 4 years. In Shiki's belief. Slaughter and murder is different. That a person can only kill one person. Themselves?
Investigating the murders and Shiki's unknown alibi's, Mikiya wonders if she's the murderer even though Shiki-kun who wanted murder to live is gone.
Touko explains that maybe it's a compulsory behavior like Fujino.
The day that Shiki was about to kill Mikiya. Souren stopped her because this collapse was not what he wished for her. He claims that she belongs to one person. To live as conflict?
Conflicted over their feelings as he chases after her. She runs away and leans into a car to get crashed by it.
As Mikiya investigates in the whereabouts of Shiki's who's always close to the murders, drugs seem to be involved to every victim. With Daisuke on the case.
A blonde passes by him, but quickly disregards him stating she doesn't do business with red ones when she sees the drug he's used and that she can't work in the rain.
As he loses sight of Shiki from the drugs. Tailed and attempted of being kidnapped, Shiki kills the four thugs.
Mikiya experiences that the drug lasts for about four hours.
Mikiya asks the woman who ignored him for information. She confirms to Mikiya that Shiki is the one who is the murderer, that she slashed them, but didn't kill them. ... The drug is a cocktail of weed and acid. Along a superior cocktail that the Bloodchip dealer only sells to children. The drug dealer is Lio.
The city is getting affected, along with Shiki.
A blonde man, Lio the cannibal who's dressed like Shiki is the killer. She knows him. He doesn't have much time but has killed and left corpses for her. She's avoiding in killing him. To remind he of her lost memory. Claiming she was jelous. Going against her origin. As he threatens to kill her hiderance that is Mikiya. She slashes his arm but he gets away, or she lets him.
Somehow, Mikiya finds Lio's apartment, reading his diary of the day he obsessed over Shiki and got rejected when she told him she weak people. That night he punched someone and killed for the first time. As he killed. He killed himself. Souren influenced him as being perfect, even though killing didn't relieve him. He realized he needs someone like him, a lunatic because he's lonely.
Mikiya found him as a suspect when an apartment was involved with him and the deaths. Lio helped him before in the past during the time of the murders.
He blames murder as his origin of consumption. Warning Mikiya that he'll kill him next time, he goes away. Mikiya asks Touko to save him.
As they talk on the phone. Shiki believes she must kill Lio because she yearns for murder from Shiki-kun who seeked but didn't like murder. Mikiya believes in her that she never killed because she's kind and surpressed the urge to.
Tokou explains that origins come from everyone's soul starting instinct from their past lives. Their impulse. Once someone is conscious of it, they have difficulty to control it. Souren can cast a spell to open origins but, it comes for the victims will nonetheless to accept it.
Mikiya remembers that you can only kill one person in your lifetime was the grandfather of Shiki's last words. He goes to stop Shiki.
Azaka complains to Tokou unable to meet Mikiya and tells her to tell him to cut ties with Shiki. Tokou decides to cut ties with them and leave this office.
On top of him about to stab Lio, she is reminded of Mikiya's words of not forgiving her if she killed him which stops her.
Her insecurity of Mikiya's presence showing that what she can't have. Him as a dream of love? Made her want to kill him. She can't kill him. Can't make him go way, so she'll make herself go away which is why she attempted to die in the accident. That's why Shiki-kun died. Liking Mikiya was SHIKI's other urge then murder.
Ready to die, she lets herself be attacked by Lio but is knocked unconscious and cuffed. A memory of her grandpa as a child before his death.
Drugged. He tries to rape her. Drooling on her. She realizes she wanted to stop him to live normally with Mikiya. That she can't live without him.
Bloodchip is the drug soaked with his blood that could create a psycho for he wanted a companion. He kisses a strong dose into Mikiya's mouth, which could kill him unless he takes a Bloodchip.
Mikiya retorts Lio as a murderer who's running away. Slashes Mikiya's head.
Shiki bit her thumb off to escape.
Believing he's dead, in sorrow. She accepts Lio. Letting him abuse her. Greving Mikiya. Crying. Finally killing Lio.
Mikiya wakes up. Crawling to Shiki.
Deciding he'll burden her sins. They hug. Stating he'll never let her go. She cries.
After being released of the hospital his eye won't heal. Shizune predicted he'd have an ill fate if he was in bed with her.
They happily walk hand in hand. As she's accepted herself. Past and present.
... KnK 8+
The split personality out of Shiki's former dual personality appears 4 years later in the same place she first met Mikiya in that road.
She says that she's all his and asks what's his wish and desire. He refuses.
Shiki's true nature. The origin of the good and evil Shiki of the dual personalities.
Her origin is nothingness. A being that was inserted into Shiki to become omnipotent and as many personalities were inserted in her, she created herself and the two Shiki's. She was not meant to be born with her emptiness.
The mages say she's from the origin. So is she a baby of the origin?
Without Shiki, she's nothing without a personality. She loves Mikiya but he doesn't desire anything because he's afraid she'd destroy something in the process. In her comatose, Shiki was in the spiral of the origin.
She has no dreams. But Shiki dreams to not be lonely.
Mikiya is content with a neutral ordinary live. She believes she'll stay asleep since everything is boring to her.
She then vanishes.
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A man who lost hope she to the future he saw. The present with the left, and the future with his right eye, the bomber.
Shiki in a parking lost, calling the bomber claiming she's hot him now, gets attacked by spreading bullets from the explosion of cars.
In his experience, the future has always come true.
Seo Shizune. Akaza's roommate. Called by her father to return home from school.
She's the bomber. Always knowing the future, she's bored with life.
Seeing the future death of a man from her bus who she attempts to warn desperately but fails to convince him. Mikiya appears to stop them. Telling him of her powers as a hunch when he asks why she thinks he's in trouble, he states to her that he'll convince the man.
To her surprise, Mikiya saved him.
And that's how she fell in love with him.
Meruka, the bomberman for hire has the same power as Shizune. With his right he can see what he wants, and with his left how to achieve it.
He can see the future from 5-10 minutes.
Shiki, Mikiya and Touko in a ball. Mikiya suspects of the man she saw outside before the bombing or a hotel. She's aware of his intent to stop her. Threatening her via text. She's tried to stop him but has failed so far unaware of his abilities. Touko tells him.
Shizune told Mikiya of her power. Consulting her.
Tokou believing a fortune teller, Mother of Mifune to possibly be the bomber sends Shiki to her. Nothing really happens tho.
Shizune can see the future from three days, months or a year.
The bomber calls Shiki on the phone and explodes a van near her but she dodges it. Finding his location. Back to the parking lot explosion. She cut the line of death to his eyesight to the future. The future is formless in prediction of possibilities but it is always infinite.
Shizune saw the future of Mikiya and Shiki which made her realize she lost her love of him, believing he'd die if he kept sticking to Shiki. He didn't want her to reveal anything tho to avoid of doing the right thing when the time came.
Her friend Naomi tells her it was admiration and not love. Azaka appears and that's how they became friends when she joined their conversation. Which Shizune already knew of from the future.
Meruka now unable to see the future, years later to 2010. As the servant of 10-year-olf Mana. Shiki's daughter.
Over the years he paid paid his debt to gangsters. She hired him as a detective, or rather a picture book author. He's told to take care of Mifune. They go together to see Mifune.
Mana asks for the future love of herself and her dad. Nothing special but her goal is to get her dad. In truth, Mifune lost her powera due to blindness. 24 years old. 10 years later.
They decide to support the fortune teller.
In 1996, Shiki-kun was greeted by Mifune. She reveals to him that he'll die no matter what, but his dream will live on.
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1998. Mikiya leaves a cat in Shiki's apartment as she recovers from her injuries. Leaving himself somewhere.
Shiki feels pain in her new arm, Touko explains it's a hallucination in contrast to her pure mind, body and soul. To suck it up until it feels normal.
Azaka briefly visits Shiki giving her supplies as Mikiya requested.
He comes back a week late. When he says he won't take the cat due to work and how she's only attached to him, she scolds him with a flick to his forehead.
A friend of Yuuko, knew of the deaths that Fujino caused and why Yuuko commited suicide. Yuuko wanted to double suicide, because she thought death of eternity was beautiful.
Feeling lonely and abandoned, Ririsu is about to commit suicide until she's stopped by Fujino. Fujino servers her aid
Fujino reveals she's the cereal killer of twiatinf people to death. The rumors of her school were true.
Ririsu afraid to die reveals herself as a murderer as well since she's the one who created the delusional to Yuuko when Yuuko wanted to live.
Yuuko's family were dead with a lot of debt. Feeling betrayed, she told Yuuko she should die in a ditch.
Fujino consults her, saying the same as Yuuko. That she likes to believe that the world is beautiful. Which is what Yuuko told Fujino as well.
Ririsu sobs.
Shiki and Mikiya walk together. Mikiya dense to understanding the car's affection for him.
In the shrine he prayed for her of blessing future of happiness.
Dull_Lull said: Kara no Kyoukai is generally considered to be the best adaptation among all of Type-Moon's works except maybe for the 6th movie (at least according to those who actually read the novels which is not me lul) so I'm certain the movies do a great job of conveying the story.
Anyway, KNK isn't something that you can understand on the very first watch and I'm not saying this to be pretentious lmao but it really is true. Compared to other Type-Moon works that are very detailed, KNK values subtlety a lot and tackles a lot of psychological concepts and philosophies related to religion..
this is why I love the series so much, it speaks to me in a very personal way. I just finished the novels and they're very good I highly recommend them!!!
waalex11 said: Having finally completed the Kara no Kyoukai anime film series from the first movie to the last special in a span of nine days, I'm disappointed in stating with no intention of instigating ill that this story is overrated and not very good, but please disregard that as that is not the point of this thread.
... Or rather, I should clarify in saying that, with some mediocre points it had, the anime was too flawed of an adaptation to give fulfillment of truly comprehending the story and Shiki Ryougi as the most intriguing mysterious character out of the whole story.
Unfortunately with the remaining holes of context and not having read the novels, I can't properly appreciate Kara no Kyoukai for what it really is, yet.
Disregarding some odd characters and events, throughout watching the story of the movies, I was always left with mystifying questions till the end with how the intense mystery felt mindless in pretext until the conclusion which revealed reason to an extent but never fully explained the depth in the roots of the characters' behavior.
With my notes that I carefully wrote at every watch, flawed to my assumptions and interpretation of the movies, I'll attempt to summarize some of my concerning questions and breakdown every movie of their plots and lacking context from what I understood.
Once I'm done, I'll watch The Lore of Kara no Kyoukai which I hope clarifies all, if not, some of my wonders.
... In short to some of my questions;
What is everyone's origin. How did Shiki's family instill an empty origin into Shiki's body and ...
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Shiki and Mikiya are introduced into the story as friends, with Touko a dollmaker [A Magician Detective] who sends Shiki to investigate the four suicides of random girls occurring in a building, while Mikiya is unconscious on the sofa since the occurrence of those deaths.
Kirie, the first daughter of the Fujyou building, [Souren's victim] a blind girl with an incurable disease in the hospital for ten years, who possessed girls to fly with her as ghosts was later defeated by Shiki and exposed by Touko to then commit suicide which relieves Mikiya out of his coma, who she loved out of jealousy when she constantly saw him with flowers visiting Shiki.
In their battle, Shiki was shown to have extraordinary inhuman athletic abilities with glowing eyes [Mystic Eyes of Death Perception], along with an artificial arm that can [strangle spirits]. Touko mentioned of Mikiya to Shiki of being fascinated by her dolls and wanting to work for her urgently when they met, and that a doll that looked like her was his favorite.
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... I'll have to look into all my notes again after I wake up to see what I don't remember of Kirie if anything was slightly revealed but in any case. ... I was always 'curious as to how exactly Souren influenced Kirie as an experiment to kill others, attract Shiki and how he brought out her origin. I don't understand exactly how he brings out someone's origin. How does it look like and how does he do it? They've never shown it in the anime.
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Well imo KNK is a very good adaptation
BTW the movies aren't in chronological orders and These movies are part of "Nasuverse" which means you have to have an idea how the universe works and other adaptations like Fate/Stay Night (3 routes), Tsukihime, Mahotsukai No Yoru. And when you finish the movies you'll get a good picture and you have general idea about Nasuverse you won't face much problem imo.
@mubeen66613
A coworker did explain that to me once, although I don't know if it'd change my enjoyment/disappointment of the films, but maybe understanding the naruverse would actually make me like the films more from understanding the subtle mysteries that I'm oblivious to without reading the novel, I guess.
It's been in my plan to do list, but I have yet to start/finish the fate stay/night visual novel.
waalex11 said: @mubeen66613
A coworker did explain that to me once, although I don't know if it'd change my enjoyment/disappointment of the films, but maybe understanding the naruverse would actually make me like the films more from understanding the subtle mysteries that I'm oblivious to without reading the novel, I guess.
It's been in my plan to do list, but I have yet to start/finish the fate stay/night visual novel.
Well it's a time consuming task but imo it's a worth one. Good luck!! 🙂
Having pondered the Nasu works quite a bit myself, I've come to the conclusion that one of the most succinct and basic ways to sum up the nasuverse, poetically, is that perhaps unlike a lot of works, and against a typical viewer's expectations, Nasu's works tend to IMO:
Propose the questions, not give the answers.
There are of course a number of themes and details to go into, and one could (and have) write a number of essays on it but I think that point is very important, and what makes the hardcore fans perhaps love it so much as it's very akin to life. What is right or wrong? What is sin? What is the meaning? What is my purpose? These answers tend to come more easily than perhaps they should in media, but in life they aren't so black and white. Also, is a bit of a puzzle that may or may not quite ever fit together, or at least aren't just presented in a nice little box with a nice little guide. This, in my opinion, is the underlying theme under all the other themes in his works.
