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Bushishi said: Hmm, I see your point of view very well, but I'm fine with the historical stuff being more centered around just the bootleg. Also, there were only like, 2 massacres in the whole anime? I wouldn't have really cared if they kept it solely on bootlegging, had they made the bootlegging itself more interesting. Rather than just, oh, this Corteo guy makes it and now we sell it to people. If you're gonna go with a more fictional interpretation, might as well make it as interesting as possible. Sure there were only like 2 massacres, but there were lots of obnoxious massive gunfights that resulted in minimal causalities as well: the big shootout in the bar, the shootout at the Lodge, the shootout in the street to kill Nero, the shootout when Nero had to run from the family, etc. Stuff like that was also very infrequent IRL. |
| The ending felt very weird to me to be honest. There were a few ways I expected 91 Days to turn out: 1. Avilio turns into a maniac: consumed by his revenge, he lets go of all emotions and focuses entirely on killing his enemies, dragging Corteo into the process, ending with perhaps a suicide. 2. Avilio reneges: after finding Corteo to be his saving grace, Avilio leaves the scene for good and lives on simply. Except we have this half-ass-of-everything ending where Avilio carried through his plan, but left Nero alive, and goes on a brotrip with Nero, and then Nero kills him anyway. I don't know how to make sense of this ending. It probably makes sense for him to not kill Nero, whether it's because he wants Nero to suffer or because he can't bring himself to kill Nero. But Nero killing Avilio when (1) he finally understood everything and (2) seemed to be at a point where he was ready to let go of the past? I felt like this series has done well with its body counts--every death served more or less a purpose. But Avilio? Not really. It made sense at the end for the men to go their separate ways and just get on with their lives. That would've been more acceptable than Nero just killing Avilio and leaving the scene. Anyway, that weird rollercoaster of an ending sunk my opinion for the series. But it was decent drama while it lasted. 2/5. |
| I thought at the end when Nero aimed at Angelo from the back that Angelo was going to turn around with a gun and kill him first but guess not. |
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| I was expecting something far different from this...but anyway this show was really good 7/10 Also why is this considered an open ending?It's pretty much obvious that Nero killed Avilio.There's no always need to show blood to make understand that someone died. |
mokadelcaffeSep 13, 2017 10:33 AM
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| Hm. The ending wasn't quite what it could have been so I won't bump it up to a 10, but it's certainly a well-earned 9/10 from me. It was a fine ending. |
| That ocean part reminded me of Punpun and Aiko's scene. It was great. |
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| Nero with that speech at the end saying "You don't need a reason to live, just live." Makes me believe he kept him alive. Though the diner scene and that random dude stopping in the road at the end was weird. Reminded me a lot of the Sopranos ending. 8/10 |
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UnderminE said: That ocean part reminded me of Punpun and Aiko's scene. It was great. It's remind me on movie "Knockin' on heaven's door". Then Angelo said, that he never seen a ocean, that movie is the only, that came to my mind. And that trip together...I think, that this ending is better, than some kind of specific ending. And why is so important to know, alive they or not? Their story is ended, it's not like there will be a continuation, if they both alive at the end. |
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| Well, i don't know, if this important anymore, but... https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1493806&show=50#msg45288640 If score like this is corresponding to "suck"...Like i wrote before, i don't think that it is important now. |
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| Rest in piece literally every charcter in the series lol. |
| I also doubt Nero killed Angelo at the end. He saw how it broke down his father to kill a good friend. Same when Angelo killed Corteo. When Angelo told him "it was for nothing" if probably struck Nero hard; as those were his father's last words too. Nero is pretty much a dead man, Angelo has a chance to live further. Faking Angelo's death, and having him live on would explain why Nero seemed so satisfied at the end. He also would've held his word of "giving Angelo a reason to live." Going by how everyone else was portrayed after killing a friend, it would be odd to show Nero happy. |
catullus said: Jonesy974 said: As for him not shooting Avilio: - There was no blood - There was no body or drag marks and Nero went back to his car immediately - The footprints magically ended apruptly - ^ There was no way the ocean could have washed all of it away instantly uh there is a time lapse there where you dont know how much time has passed from when he shot til he started driving away. There is no way to tell how long that was. The argument for him being shot is he trained his gun on him and never moved it enough to miss. You can see his resolve tighten when he looks away then looks back up with a new focus. There is no time lapse here. Avillo is shot and prob dead. You just say there is an uncertain time lapse...and then saying that there isn't and Avilio is dead. You're invalidating your own argument. You can see his resolve tighten? Weird, since resolve is intangible. You can assume he made a decision, but saying he visibly had the resolve to do it is also speculative. |
| So goooood, i think hes still alive tbh tho, plus shit didnt add up. Nero shouldve died and not Corteo. Im still bummed about that but this was great (Probably #2 if not #1 of the season. There were some plot holes so there might be something else in the near future. |
thecookiedemon said: No he did not die, and i have proof go back to the episode and go to 11min and 5 sec it flashed to a what happens after he gets shot he sees the beach and wakes up with a bandage on he lived but he did get shot please go back and watch it so many people missed this. It was not a open ending!! I thought so too, since the episode was a bit chaotic. At first when the scene starts, Angelo wakes up to the sound of waves, because the place where he was last conscious was the beach. Later on in the episode he tells Nero to go to the beach as he has never been there before. How would he know what is the sound of waves if he hadn't been to the beach before? I doubt he just came to listen to some radio podcast that happened to be recorded at the beach. |
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| A most satisfying last episode |
| I like bad endings |
| What the fucking hell just happened at this finale episode?! It's too intense! Just damn it, It wasn't clear If Angelo died, or they are both alive or maybe dead. I'm confused. Well what ever, I'm gonna rate this anime an 8 (or 9?) out of 10 score over all. |
| Haters always gonna hate. |
| That's it? Can't say I like this uncertain end. I mean I'm relatively sure Angelo died on that beach but that's the one outcome I didn't really like. I wouldn't even have minded if both survived or both died but this is just cruel without showing what actually happens >.> Nero can't really escape either. So he's most likely going to die, too. Could have at least shown that, too, to round it up. Anyway 9/10. Amazing anime. The soundtrack and atmosphere were well done and it was interesting to see the developments of Angelo's plan. |
| 😭😭😭😭💔💔💔💔 What an ending. |
| Gotta say the ending could've been better, i wanted to see an all out war between the two but this is why i love this show because you can't expect what's gonna happen next. Overall, this was a great fuckin series, surpassed all my expectations, and it's my fav outta this season. 1- 91 Days 8-8.5/10 2- Mob Psycho 100 8/10 3- Re Zero 7.5/10 4- Saiki Kusuo waiting for it to end/10 5- New Game 6/10 |
| This show is CRIMINALLY underrated. |
| What!? that's it!? LAME!!! where's the body!? already buried at the shore? 3/5. 8/10. |
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| i'm pretty sure he didn't kill him but seriously though fuck those Inception type of endings |
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| This episode was just amazing. Yes there was a lot of violence. But the voice actors did a tremendous job especially with Angelo/Avilio and Nero. I guess it is safe to assume that Nero didn't kill Angelo like he did 7 years ago? I can say that this was a satisfying ending to such a great series! |
| dropped score to 7 because the ending was really unsatisfying for me. overall still a good show with interesting plot, I want to see more anime like this in the future. |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| @megaload @KolmeDG As far as I recall, although I might be wrong, Avilio insisted they go to the beach because he has never been there and he mentioned that to Corteo a few episodes back. And while he might have glimpsed a TV in one of his bosses' houses, his apartment both before joining the family and after show he's living a very frugal life. While there were already movies with sound, do you imagine a mafioso going to the theatre in his free time, if he has any? Avilio was pretty much busy with plotting his revenge on the Vanettis all the time and was poor af anyway. While your theory is plausible, it's still suspicious that the creators decided to put the sound of waves exactly on the moment of his awakening and not in any other scene in the show. |
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| I love this episode so much. Awesome soundtrack and the tension was built so well throughout the season with the finale not disappointing. Personally I think Nero killed Avilio because he looked up this time when he fired his gun unlike in episode one. The lack of body/blood and ocean washing away the footprints was done to show that in the end it was all for nothing and their tragic story will be forgotten and washed away as if it never happened. I also think Nero dies at the end when getting recognized by the other driver. It seems like the only way Avilio's revenge would have been completed without him killing Nero (since he didn't want to do so). |
| @megaload No, I'm not joking. I have no idea what lamps are you talking about but in the early 1930s there were radio-tv-like boxes that resemble drawers. I highly doubt there were any gramophone records with sound samples. Music recording and gramophones weren't exactly cheap for anyone to decide to record different sounds for kids' education. >this time when he went to Chicago? That's the most plausible option of all you said so far. In fact, he has already seen the ocean - he travelled by boat to Chicago - but he specifically wanted to see the beach in that final scene. I don't exclude the possibility that he could have visited Lake Michigan on his way to Chicago but he wasted so much time with Corteo on the way there that it's doubtful he had any time for loitering around. |
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| @megaload I was thinking more about something like this https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/Zworykin_kinescope_1929.jpg >recorded radioplays (with sound effects), contemporary music, classic music ect. I think the technology of creating a gramophone record is more sophisticated than turning on your device and recording whatever plays on the radio (as opposed to cassette tape recorders). >I think it was a river/lake boat. It was a river boat - Lawless had a river crossing the city. But Chicago has a port on the lake so you can travel by boat there. My point was that - since ports are loud, it's more likely not to hear the wave sound over shouting and boats coming and going. |
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| i just finished watching 91 days in 5 days lol , and i must say reading the comment section prove to me that watching 1 episode per week is the reason why people can't seems to grasp the final moments . i will explain with proofs , basicaly dialouges and scene from the anime , that angelo lived and nero scarficed himself ( shocking , very shocking i know ) okay , first off all , not a singel soul on mal seems to notice that the guy who entered while nero and angleo eating in the resturant is the same guy who was shown in the car in the last scene, in fact if you go now and watch the resturant scene( episode 12 ) minute 15, you can easily see nero looking with the back of his right eye on the man for seconds , hence he know they are being followed , then nero pay the money and leave ( you can tell the man from his hat ) this is very important , cause the guy work for the glassis family and he saw BOTH OF THEM . so they start their trip , nero remmeber the day 7 years ago , and we got new scene showing a birthday cake ,they blame each other for not killing each other when they had the chance to later on , they go to the beach , angelo choose the beach cause he saw a poster of it , in the room he was locked in before i go on , did anyone ask themself why the guards in angelo's room had NO GUNS ? think about it for a moment , this guy is important to the glassis family , but they put him in a hotel room with 2 guards without guns ? ( fake hand gun lol ) well , the new don KNEW he (nero) would come for angelo , and that is why that man in the last scene ( and in the resturant ) was able to find them , this also explain the discussion between injured angelo and the new don now let us go back to the beach thing , the scene of nero shotting angelo is the same as the scene when shoting the littel angelo, the dirffrenece here is that after nero close his eyes , he move his aim a bit then open his eyes . now let's go back to EPISODE 4 , remmeber the giant mexican guy ? It was forshadowing that nero's aim is so bad that he shot 5 bullets and missed the five / this is important because if he was to shot angelo from the same distance ( the giant was close too ) he would need at least couple of shots ,and it is diffrenet in frate case , since he was sitting in a very small room but that is not all , if you noticed the look into his eyes when he opened them , the look stayed the same after we saw him in the car , then seconds later ( the glassis guy's car passes by ) the serious look change into smile , with him looking at the same frut can that angelo bought in episode 4 , when they had their adventure . this is because , the glassis guy saw only one ( and this is why the fruit can was sitting in angelo's place ) meaning that the glassis family think angelo is dead since he is no longer with him . i will prove that now too go back to episode 11 , nero tell the blond dude ( with the glasses ) that avilio ( angelo ) is a like a dead soul after killing his friend and that HE WILL GIVE HIM A REASON TO LIVE FOR and he explained it to angelo in this episode " you don't need a reason to live, you just live " , meaning he is setting him free . .now i know what people are going to say : no dumbass he killed him to set him free , cause he found out he should have killed him 7 years and ended his mesury , and that angelo wanted to die ! ok here : 1_ he did not kill him as a murcy . remmeber the talk between nero and his father in episode 10 ? it was showen that the old man told nero that he did the worng choice and he wished that he did not do that but in return nero told him : family is everything . in episode 11 , the old man tells nero " it was all for nothing " the same verse angelo use infront of nero at ep 12 . so how the fuck would nero who saw that killing bring nothing would kill his friend after he told him he did not kill him because he didn't want to ? this would ruin the hole theme in the show that revenge would bring nothing , nero had no reason to kill angelo 2_ he killed him cause angelo wanted to die is not true have you ever met someone or had a friend who comitted suicide ? if you had ( hopefuly not ) you would know that they would lose all thier intersets in things like eating , joking , wanting to go somewhere etc ( not the wanna be suicide , because those basicaly want a better live ) in the episode we saw angelo no longer had the mental breakdown with him seeing his dead friend body , he also played with nero , when he tried to run the car into the tree , that is something a man with zero intention to live wouldn't do we also noticed that he gave his back to nero and start an endless walk, as if asking him to choose what ever he wants to do .( angelo seems to reach a point where he no longer gives a flying fuck , but not suicidal ) anyway , the reson why nero couldn't kill angelo when he was young is not because the case is speical , he told angelo in episode 4 that he couldn't kill ANYONE at that time , which made him work hard to gain his father respect but now the second time, him opening his eyes is meant to show that this time he won't shoot because he is positive that he doesn't want to ( same as angelo ) and this would also be the answer to angelo's question in episode 9 " but you can kill that kid now ! " in short : 1-tiger hinted how nero and him both gonna end in the beg of episode 12 2- the reason why angelo was easy to being captured , and had guards with no guns is because the glassis don knew nero is coming 3- nero knew he was being follwed by the guy in the resturant all along ( he was looking at him with his right eye ) 4- nero wanted to make the glassis think that angelo died 5- nero already mentioned that " i will give angelo a reason to live " 6- the whole " murcy " killing , and that nero thought he should have ended angelo life 7 years ago , go againt his father death speach and everything he saw during the 3 monthes 7- angelo aim is terribel as we saw in episode 4 when shot 5 bullits that couldn't hit the mexican guy. 8- nero's friend ( the blond with the galsses ) knew that nero can't kill angelo that is why when captured him he told tiger " NO DON'T call nero he would not kill him " 9- nero closed his eyes like he did 7 years ago , but later opend it and took his decision , later on he was smiling at the same frute can that angelo bought in episode 4 , after the glassis guy passed him 10 - this was said before but the footsteps hint that angelo never touched the ground 11 - the footsteps means that angelo understood what nero told him ,if we took revenge as his footsteps ( his old reasons to live ) , them vanishing means he was freed from them . feel free to discuss . |
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