| The movie was estimated to having made ¥1.1 billion ($10.4 million) over the weekend and while that it is an impressive opening compared to most movies in general it is disappointing when compared to Film Z. Film Z opened to ¥1.37 billion ($16.7 million) 3 and half years ago across 300 screens with no 3D and no 4DX. Film Gold opened in over twice as many theatres (739) and did have 3D and 4DX so with such a huge advantage it was considered to possibly make the opening weekend record in Japan or at least make ¥1.5 billion but if actuals drop a little then it might open to even less than Strong World. The manga sales have dipped recently too so I don't know if the series is starting to lose some steam. |
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| Seems some people grow tired of the series, and I can't blame them. Seems like the only boost the series will get is when it ends. I imagine by that time, the series would have already lost at least 1 million of it's fanbase. |
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| Less hype than Film Z. As a fan of One Piece myself, I even forgot Film Gold has aired. Film Z was hyped greatly because it was the first movie after the time skip. Not only that, Z was said (at that time) as the strongest enemy Luffy has ever faced yet. Not only tht again, it is said that at that movie, Aokiji would appear. Not only that one more time, Z was former admiral that turned into a pirate. As you can see, it had very interesting premise. Everyone was curious about the story. Now look at Film Gold. Meh. |
otterman965 said: Also the filler promoting Film Z was watchable, unlike Heart of Gold which was just bad.Less hype than Film Z. As a fan of One Piece myself, I even forgot Film Gold has aired. Film Z was hyped greatly because it was the first movie after the time skip. Not only that, Z was said (at that time) as the strongest enemy Luffy has ever faced yet. Not only tht again, it is said that at that movie, Aokiji would appear. Not only that one more time, Z was former admiral that turned into a pirate. As you can see, it had very interesting premise. Everyone was curious about the story. Now look at Film Gold. Meh. |
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| Film Z villain = Marine Admiral Z Film Gold villain = one of the richest men in the world I think it's pretty obvious an Admiral villain is far more interesting than one of the richest men int he world villain. scabab said: The manga sales have dipped recently too so I don't know if the series is starting to lose some steam. Source? 2014 One Piece sold at 11 million. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-11-30/top-selling-manga-in-japan-by-series-2014/.81607 2015 One Piece sold at 14 million. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-11-29/top-selling-manga-in-japan-by-series-2015/.95913 |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
ziggy_Z said: Also the filler promoting Film Z was watchable, unlike Heart of Gold which was just bad. I feel the opposite. The filler promoting Film Z was really vague and uninteresting, just something created to fill a few episodes in between arcs rather than to hype. Heart of Gold had some more entity as a story. |
jal90 said: Well, but compared to Silver Mine arc, Film Z filler arc is far more interesting by far.ziggy_Z said: Also the filler promoting Film Z was watchable, unlike Heart of Gold which was just bad. I feel the opposite. The filler promoting Film Z was really vague and uninteresting, just something created to fill a few episodes in between arcs rather than to hype. Heart of Gold had some more entity as a story. |
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Beth_Masey said: Oh, well that sucks. I shouldn't really care since I never really cared about the movie anyway (or any movie of One Piece in general), but that still sucks. otterman965 said: Less hype than Film Z. As a fan of One Piece myself, I even forgot Film Gold has aired. Less hype? That would be a shame if that's the case, since they've been advertising it rather strongly, including placing extra additions from that movie in a recent One Piece video game, One Piece Burning Blood. That's what I personally felt myself as a One Piece fan, and I'm sure I'm not the only one to feel that way. Doesn't mean I won't watch it anyway. Just that I won't rush. |
| Lol, its sound bit disappointing, especially weeks for now it will be head to head with shin gojira(and I'm sure it will own one piece gold). Now it just matter overall gross compared to Z Eventho' it lost fanbase , as long as I experienced it finish, it won't matter lol *one piece manga sales always fluctuated tho', if oda pull chap the same tier with marineford arc who knows |
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| It's fallen further behind now. After their respective third weekends Film Good stands at ¥3.1 billion while Film Z was at ¥4.23 billion. When it comes to tickets sold and the gross in dollars the difference is even bigger. |
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| I think its about time to put all this damn money into the actual anime series instead of random movies... Too bad I know that won't happen. |
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| Not surprised. It was pretty lacking compared to Strong World and Z |
scabab said: The movie was estimated to having made ¥1.1 billion ($10.4 million) over the weekend and while that it is an impressive opening compared to most movies in general it is disappointing when compared to Film Z. Film Z opened to ¥1.37 billion ($16.7 million) 3 and half years ago across 300 screens with no 3D and no 4DX. Film Gold opened in over twice as many theatres (739) and did have 3D and 4DX so with such a huge advantage it was considered to possibly make the opening weekend record in Japan or at least make ¥1.5 billion but if actuals drop a little then it might open to even less than Strong World. The manga sales have dipped recently too so I don't know if the series is starting to lose some steam. Less than Film Z = Disappointing. LOL. You people in this threads make me laugh! Also, the movie opening with 1.156 Billion yen(11 Million dollars), the 5th best animation Japanese opening ever! |
| Yeah it is high but when it's down ¥1.1 billion from Film Z even though Film Z only had 1/3rd of the theatre count and didn't have 3D or 4DX then yeah it is disappointing. |
scababAug 13, 2016 1:59 PM
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scabab said: Yeah it is high but when it's down ¥1.1 billion from Film Z even though Film Z only had 1/3rd of the theatre count and didn't have 3D or 4DX then yeah it is disappointing. You don't know what the word disappointing means or you're just talking of your personal expectations, and like it is a universal thing. About the 1/3 theaters! Film Gold -> 739 screens 1/3 of Film Gold -> 246 screens Film Z -> 300 screens initially, 311 later And what about being below Film Z makes it being disappointing? Was Film Z not a record breaker? Was it not at the time the fastest animation movie? So now not surpassing or doing less than an amazing result goes directly to disappointing. |
| Oh that's right it was Strong World that had a 1/3rd of the theatres. Obviously it's disappointing. They gave it a much bigger push, they gave it over 400 extra theatres so it had broke the record for widest release for a Japanese movie. They gave it 3D showings and 4DX showings which Film Z did not have and that will only drive up the budget for the movie compared to the previous movies because they'd have to have make it compatible. There's also inflation as they last movie came out over 3 and a half years ago. And yet despite all of that it's down considerably and the gap seems to be growing. Toei set an opening goal for it and it failed to reach it. So yeah it'd doing well in its own right and compared to other movies but it is a disappointment in that they expected it to make more money than Film Z and yet it's significantly behind it. |
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scabab said: Oh that's right it was Strong World that had a 1/3rd of the theatres. Obviously it's disappointing. They gave it a much bigger push, they gave it over 400 extra theatres so it had broke the record for widest release for a Japanese movie. They gave it 3D showings and 4DX showings which Film Z did not have and that will only drive up the budget for the movie compared to the previous movies because they'd have to have make it compatible. There's also inflation as they last movie came out over 3 and a half years ago. And yet despite all of that it's down considerably and the gap seems to be growing. Toei set an opening goal for it and it failed to reach it. So yeah it'd doing well in its own right and compared to other movies but it is a disappointment in that they expected it to make more money than Film Z and yet it's significantly behind it. "They expected to it to make more money than Film Z" -> This is totally your opinion, you totally don't know about that. "They gave it a much bigger push, they gave it over 400 extra theaters ..." -> The argument of bigger push and the reason of that "bigger" push. Is always the same thing, the same happened to Toriko, and obviously it always incorrect and in a business standpoint is easily seen that is incorrect. Since when the screens number is any kind of push? Are we really believing that the number of screens is an advertisement ploy to get more people to go to the cinema watch the movie? Really. In a business what you do isn't place a ton of money into something and expecting that it does phenomenal. That is like going to the casino full of money and expecting to go spectacularly and getting out of it with a ton of money. What you do is looking at your previous goings to the casino, adjust your money taking in consideration those goings. After testing the waters there you set your expectations and make a continuous control over your expectations. In simple words you are cautious. Toei Animation placed their expectations right after the opening weekend, and that was, over 6 Billion Yen for the entire run. Right now the movie in its 4th weekend is approaching 4 Billion Yen, and possible will even reach it by Sunday. And each day of the current week has surpassed in sales the previous one. If we assume the movie will have the same legs as Film Z it still has 6 more weeks to reach the 6 Billion Yen. What about Film Gold huge number of screens? Toei movie distributor is recently investing in showing their movies with the biggest variety of their technologies: 3D, 4DX, MX4D. Also seen with Dragon Ball Resurrection F, that had the record of most screens in Japan. If every theater shows all of the types and each with the same amount screens per theater than we would get 4 times the number of screens from the previous movie. That would mean 1200 screens. Of course not all theaters have everything nor the ones that have, have the same amount of screens for all the modalities. So we ended up with just 739 instead. Note this doesn't mean they are expecting that the movie will sell 4 times more than the previous. An increase of numbers of 2D screens probably also happened. All for more availability and accessibility to watchers. Many screens for Strong World and Film Z got overcrowded(and I heard that in Japan they put more people than the room normal allows when there is enough demand). And that is the reason why in the middle Film Z had to increase to 311 screens, and to prevent that, now that they knew it would happen, they increase it. And certainly many people had to travel considerable distances just to watch the movie. They account for all of that! Is not about a "bigger push". In the end by what they did we just now they were expecting a big selling movie, and right now they are getting it. |
| No it's not my opinion at all. Film Z opened to ¥1.37 billion and they set of target of ¥1.5 billion for Gold. Obviously they expected it to make more money if they're goal was for it to make more. More theatres = more showings = more money. Theatre count is important and them boosting the theatre count for Resurrection F over Battle of Gods paid off when it came to that movie as did the 3D. This movie will have almost certainly have received a higher budget than Film Z and it will make less than that. |
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| Where are you getting this 1.5 Billion target for Film Gold? Where are you getting this more theaters? As I already said it is getting more Screens, and that has manly to do with having not only 2D, but also 3D, 4DX and MX4D! Just because you place other formats for people to watch your movie doesn't mean you're waiting that the movie sells more, nor a movie in 2D, you're expecting less money. Where did you get "Almost certainly have received a higher budget than Film Z"? And costing more doesn't mean they were expecting for it to make more money! You have the simple example where for the previous movie did way more than the expectation(Film Strong World and Film Z) and so the investment made for that movie is way lower than what it should be. So next movie investment is corrected to correspond to actual worth of the franchise. Is about the franchise deserving this increase, not about expecting it to sell more, but more expecting around the same numbers. |
| The ¥1.5 billion goal was set by Toei and I saw it in the Japanese Box Office thread somewhere. It was the highest amount for animated movie after Yokai Watch. More screens then, same thing it means more showings and more money. 3D and 4DX tickets cost more than the standard tickets, it is an advantage that it has over Film Z where only the cheaper standard tickets are available. It costs money to make your movie compatible for 3D and 4DX. That's na extra cost hat Film Z did not. They gave Resurrection F the same push, it had over twice as many screens as Battle of Gods. It had 3D and 4DX showings. It did cost more, RoF cost $5 million, I can't remember what BoG cost but it was less. RoF went on to gross an extra 25% more than BoG. Meanwhile they've given pretty much the exact same push to Film Gold and yet that is down by 26% from Film Z (so far). |
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scabab said: The ¥1.5 billion goal was set by Toei and I saw it in the Japanese Box Office thread somewhere. It was the highest amount for animated movie after Yokai Watch. More screens then, same thing it means more showings and more money. 3D and 4DX tickets cost more than the standard tickets, it is an advantage that it has over Film Z where only the cheaper standard tickets are available. It costs money to make your movie compatible for 3D and 4DX. That's na extra cost hat Film Z did not. They gave Resurrection F the same push, it had over twice as many screens as Battle of Gods. It had 3D and 4DX showings. It did cost more, RoF cost $5 million, I can't remember what BoG cost but it was less. RoF went on to gross an extra 25% more than BoG. Meanwhile they've given pretty much the exact same push to Film Gold and yet that is down by 26% from Film Z (so far). Are you talking of this Japanese Box Office thread: http://worldofkj.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=55322 If you are it wasn't Toei goal at all, it was the poster that was expecting the movie to do 1.5 Billion due to number of screens and such and such. I never seen any goal that Toei placed before the 6 Billion estimate. Please provide a source for the 1.5 Billion or is just a big fake! The Dragon Ball 5 Million dollars Budget seems to be wrong! The source of the info is just a regular information site, doesn't has any further source of the information other than this sentence "The $5M budget Resurrection F’s opening was 40% ahead of the previous film". Yep, most screens means more cost, but like I told in the previous post, it doesn't automatically means they are expecting more sales than the previous movie. Let's use that 5M budget of Dragon Ball for example. 5M dollars is around 500 Million Yen, so think that One Piece Film Z had that budget. The movie results in the Box Office were totally unexpected in a good way highly surpassing expectations and in the ending doing 6.87 Billion yen and earning them an extra 6.37 Billion yen. Now let's go to One Piece Film Gold. What should they invest knowing that the worth of the previous movie was undervalued, that the new movie will almost certainly sell less, but around the same? And what about the addition of the 3 new formats? What should you as an investor invest in this new Movie? And what do you think that investing 2.5(estimating by the difference in screenings of Z to Gold) more? Do you think that they should invest less and less money in sequels? Because is the norm for them to sell less than the previous iterations. You're so stuck up with the comparison with Film Z, you certainly couldn't be an investor. It doesn't matter if is doing less than Film Z, it matters that is bringing a ton of money compared with the investment. And being a disappointment is failing on that, not in the difference between movies. If investments were made on the base of previous iterations like you're implying, than most 2nd, 3rd or even 4th seasons of anime would be disappointing. |
| I can't post any source, it was just something that someone linked to in a Japanese Box Office thread from some Japanese site. It was all completely in Japanese anyway and had to be put through Google translate. They've also projected it'll gross over ¥6 billion so we'll have to see how that ends up. The $5 million budget figure for Resurrection F I believe might have been on Deadline, again I wouldn't be able to find that source now. That'd be about ¥500-600 million or so. If Toei are putting more money into their movie, giving it a wider release and putting it into new formats all of which are meant to give the movie a chance to earn more money then they are going to want that movie to make more money. It worked for Resurrection F. The exact same thing has not worked for Film Gold. Even in comparison to Strong World, that movie stood at ¥3.07 billion after its third weekend and that had even less screens and possibky less marketing behind it. So yes like I said it is making a lot of money, it will be profitable and they will make more. But after Film Z made over ¥2 billion more than Strong World for this to not increase on it again but fall significantly behind despite all the advantages it had is disappointing. |
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scabab said: I can't post any source, it was just something that someone linked to in a Japanese Box Office thread from some Japanese site. It was all completely in Japanese anyway and had to be put through Google translate. They've also projected it'll gross over ¥6 billion so we'll have to see how that ends up. The $5 million budget figure for Resurrection F I believe might have been on Deadline, again I wouldn't be able to find that source now. That'd be about ¥500-600 million or so. If Toei are putting more money into their movie, giving it a wider release and putting it into new formats all of which are meant to give the movie a chance to earn more money then they are going to want that movie to make more money. It worked for Resurrection F. The exact same thing has not worked for Film Gold. Even in comparison to Strong World, that movie stood at ¥3.07 billion after its third weekend and that had even less screens and possibky less marketing behind it. So yes like I said it is making a lot of money, it will be profitable and they will make more. But after Film Z made over ¥2 billion more than Strong World for this to not increase on it again but fall significantly behind despite all the advantages it had is disappointing. So majority of your "facts" don't even have source nor anything to prove them. Until is proven to be true it will be treated by me as false! Yep, they projected it to surpass 6 Billion, like I also had said. How things are going around the next days, if not already, the movie will reach 4 Billion yen, and that with around 3 weeks of release, and 4 weekends. Given that the previous movies had around 10 weekends, and that summer movies normally stay in the theater for longer, the movie has more than 6 weekends and 7 weeks to make 2 Billion more. The estimates for this week(3rd week) is 775 Million yen, with an increase of sales from the previous week! The estimates also point that the movie must right now be at around 3.86 Billion yen right now. Again that the movie isn't doing more than Film Z is known. Also is known that follow up movie do less than previous ones. Still normally follow ups get more budget. This is not only for movies, but also for anime, series and so on. Why is that? But more important than the reason for that to happen what matters in our conversation is that Film Gold doing less than Film Z is not disappointing, because is not outside expectations. Film Gold having biggest budget than Film Z has nothing to do with the expectations of Film Gold. As I said in my first post the disappointing is mostly certainly just for you, not for Toei nor anybody involved in the investment. Here is an example: A good investment is one where you get at least double the money you spent on something! (In fact receiving 50-20% and sometimes, depending in what it is, 10% is good already) Investing 3 dollars on something and receiving 6 dollars for that is a good investment, right? So not disappointing. Now think that you invest 1 dollar and get 10 dollars. That is out of expectations and an amazing result. Later you want to make a follow up, but now invest 3 dollars instead of 1, and it gets you 9 dollars. Now if 6 from 3 is a good investment, how does 9 from 3 ended up being a disappointment? Obviously it makes sense that it isn't in any way one, unless if your expectations are always to increase from the previous one. Business isn't handled with such unrealistic and danger expectation though! In the case of Film Z vs Film Gold. If we assume that Film Z costed 2 times Dragon Ball Resurrection F(If we believe that info, that I don't!), so 1 Billion dollars and Film Gold 3 times that, so 3 Billion. Then Film Z did 6.8 times the investment, which is amazing. Though with Gold projection of 6 Billion it makes 2 times more than the investment, and so pretty good. |
bigivelfhqAug 15, 2016 2:19 PM
katiak_Ula said: Lol, its sound bit disappointing, especially weeks for now it will be head to head with shin gojira(and I'm sure it will own one piece gold). Now it just matter overall gross compared to Z Eventho' it lost fanbase , as long as I experienced it finish, it won't matter lol *one piece manga sales always fluctuated tho', if oda pull chap the same tier with marineford arc who knows it hasnt lost fanbase |
| There is a source, it was posted what would have been last month now. I'm not going to be able to find and it's not my problem if you choose not to believe it. After the fourth weekend Film Z was at ¥5.45 billion while Film Gold is estimated to be at ¥3.86 billion so the gap has increased from ¥1.1 billion and now up to ¥1.6 billion. In terms of admissions Film Z had sold 4.53 million admissions and Film Gold is maybe at 2.8-2.9 million. That's a hefty 37% decrease. Again yes it's profitable but it's disappointing because it isn't as profitable as it should be. If they weren't expecting it to make more than Film Z then they wouldn't have put more into it. |
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AForgottenSoul said: did pick the wrong word/line with sincere there? I realized maybe it should use even if rather than even tho'katiak_Ula said: Lol, its sound bit disappointing, especially weeks for now it will be head to head with shin gojira(and I'm sure it will own one piece gold). Now it just matter overall gross compared to Z Eventho' it lost fanbase , as long as I experienced it finish, it won't matter lol *one piece manga sales always fluctuated tho', if oda pull chap the same tier with marineford arc who knows it hasnt lost fanbase |
karambiaAug 15, 2016 5:13 PM
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scabab said: Again yes it's profitable but it's disappointing because it isn't as profitable as it should be. If they weren't expecting it to make more than Film Z then they wouldn't have put more into it. The important question here is, the money they placed into Film Z was expecting what it did? Meaning was Film Z into the expectation? |
| After its opening weekend Toei projected that Film Z would finish with over ¥5 billion or maybe even ¥6 billion. After it's 10th day they projected that it would gross over ¥7 billion. It ultimately made ¥6.87 billion. So it did do better than expected. |
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