| Most people are unaware of what 'trolling' is. If I define a troll, you can misinterpret semantics. So instead of doing that, I'll just say: A shitposter is not a troll. The general definition of open-mindedness is an asinine conflation of understanding and indecisiveness. It implies that you both understand other people's point of view and that you wield none of those views yourself. It effectively leaves you with no opinion whatsoever which is humanly impossible. So, the only correct definition of open-mindedness is: "You understand people's point of views''. By that definition, only a troll genuinely understands other people's point of views. And he has an opinion, yes; but he's not indignant about it. He defines his opinions and doesn't let his opinions define him. He can easily shift gears, argue from another point of view, support another opinion just as well. And that all is because he does two things: He truly understands the various perspectives a matter can be viewed with and his own opinion is merely an 'idea' to him which he is ready to defend, when it beckons defense, preach when it need be preached and assert it when it need be asserted. He isn't a walking label. He doesn't feel this obligation of never talking of another opinion. He feels no psychological pressure in entertaining other thoughts than the one to which he subscribes. Idiots come up with labels of racist, homophobe, bigot, and the likes, to shut away differing opinions. They're never willing to listen to the 'reason' behind anyone else's views and then deem themselves open-minded. To them, open-mindedness is simply subscribing to the popular opinion. Only a troll rises above this hypocrisy and shows the heights of enlightenment a human can reach. For he is perfectly indifferent of how people view him, passionately dismissive of norms and overwhelmingly certain of his own views. He dares farther, he loses his pivot; not because he's just that miserable but because he is certain that what he deems his 'worldviews' are not a pole to which he is tied but that they're 'ideas' which he carries around with himself. The only truly high-minded person is he who is, or can be, a troll. |
TranceJun 29, 2016 5:04 PM
| This thread is highly mindful trolling |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| TL;dr whao lol do u really expect me to read...all that shit by you. |
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AllenVonStein said: TL;dr whao lol do u really expect me to read...all that shit by you. No. I don't expect idiots to read my posts. They contribute nothing of value regardless. |
Zeus- said: xEmptiness said: I beg to differ, I have no opinions except about anime and video games and I understand everyone's points of viewIt effectively leaves you with no opinion whatsoever which is humanly impossible. So, the only correct definition of open-mindedness is: "You understand people's point of views''. I am the epitome of open-mindedness No you are the epitome of indecisiveness if you have no opinion. (You actually have opinions, you just aren't trying to be 'sure' of them due to some reasons which I'd wager have something to do with 'what will people think?') |
| @xEmptiness trying to trigger me won't fall for ur trap , btw are u that proud to show off ur iq in sig . |
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| @AllenVonStein That's not my IQ. Nor is that guy me. If I had that IQ, I would have left this site like that guy did. |
| Trolls are misunderstood. Their habitual attacks on forums is usually a result of their awareness of the pretentiousness and excessive self-importance of many forum enthusiasts. As much as people may hate trolls, they are highly effective - their actions bring much of the stupidity of other forum users out into the great wide open. Trolls are a force for good. They show us how ready people are to dissuade opinions different from their own and how clueless they are. Savvy users can appreciate posts like that, while the less suave category are trapped into the bait. That is what trolls would like to think. Trolls are a great source of entertainment, no denying that. It is an art, and subtlety is the key to mastering it. I think shitposting is trolling, but with no subtlety. Subtlety is what makes a troll clever, it's what users who don't feed the trolls can appreciate. What is true to say though is that trolls are insecure people who want to boost their hurt confidence (often done by other trolls) by asserting their dominance over people they consider sensitive or at least exploitable enough to being hurt. Are you trying to assert that you have a lofty wit op? You need more panache, more flair. And more subtlety, I'm afraid to say. Until then, you're just a shitposter, my friend. |
| I'm not homophobic, but I fucking hate gay people. Open-minded +1. Atheists 0. |
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Ozul said: Trolls are misunderstood. Their habitual attacks on forums is usually a result of their awareness of the pretentiousness and excessive self-importance of many forum enthusiasts. As much as people may hate trolls, they are highly effective - their actions bring much of the stupidity of other forum users out into the great wide open. Trolls are a force for good. They show us how ready people are to dissuade opinions different from their own and how clueless they are. Savvy users can appreciate posts like that, while the less suave category are trapped into the bait. That is what trolls would like to think. Trolls are a great source of entertainment, no denying that. It is an art, and subtlety is the key to mastering it. I think shitposting is trolling, but with no subtlety. Subtlety is what makes a troll clever, it's what users who don't feed the trolls can appreciate. What is true to say though is that trolls are insecure people who want to boost their hurt confidence (often done by other trolls) by asserting their dominance over people they consider sensitive or at least exploitable enough to being hurt. Are you trying to assert that you have a lofty wit op? You need more panache, more flair. Are you sure that this apparent lack of luster isn't due to my staleness but due to the limitations of your vision which doesn't let you see my shine? To understand the great, you have to be the great. Not in name, but in qualities. The rest of what you say are just your assumptions about trolls which may or may not be true but what I can say for sure is that: You have had a bad experience with trolls, riiiight? Zeus- said: xEmptiness said: nope. I merely do what increases the likelihood of survivingNo you are the epitome of indecisiveness if you have no opinion. (You actually have opinions, you just aren't trying to be 'sure' of them due to some reasons which I'd wager have something to do with 'what will people think?') or entertainment, I do that too Then aren't you doing it wrong by not having any opinion? One can have an opinion and still not feel any restriction whatsoever. |
| @xEmptiness i see but still isn't iq people of Pakistan very low , heard u watch a lot of porn is that true? |
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AllenVonStein said: @xEmptiness i see but still isn't iq people of Pakistan very low , heard u watch a lot of porn is that true? As far as I know, that porn watching list was faux. As for IQ, yes it is very low. And it is grueling for me to live here. |
AllenVonStein said: @xEmptiness i see but still isn't iq people of Pakistan very low , heard u watch a lot of porn is that true? Yup. We're all stupid farmers here who masturbate all day. |
xEmptiness said: yes it is very low. And it is grueling for me to live here. i guess it's becz of Islam isn't? well nice to see some educated people from that place . |
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Zeus- said: xEmptiness said: why do I need opinions on more things than what I like or dislike in my daily life? is holding an opinion on politics outside of what's beneficial to my survival going to benefit me at all?Then aren't you doing it wrong by not having any opinion? One can have an opinion and still not feel any restriction whatsoever. If we consider that it will give you some 'occupation' then yes. The more occupations you have, the more sources of entertainment you possess. If you're disinterested in everything besides a few things then you cannot be happy in case those few things become passe for you or they simply disappear. AllenVonStein said: xEmptiness said: yes it is very low. And it is grueling for me to live here. i guess it's becz of Islam isn't? well nice to see some educated people from that place . No. It's because of the general stupidity of people. It's not so much about IQ but rather the mindsets people have. The only thing wrong here is 'culture' which we have adopted from God knows who. It isn't Islamic, that's for sure. If I could name it, I'd say it is the culture of stupidity. |
| Highmindedness doesn't have to come with trolling. Just like genius does not have to come from madness... |
BRB-kun said: Highmindedness doesn't have to come with trolling. Just like genius does not have to come from madness... It's not so much a relation of causation. Which is why you see in the last sentence of my OP: "Those are, or can be, trolls''. It's the quality that one needs to be a troll. If you're a troll, then you're high-minded. |
xEmptiness said: No, I assure you, that among whatever failings I might have, spotting a narcissistic dolt is not one of them. Quite vain, aren't we?Ozul said: Trolls are misunderstood. Their habitual attacks on forums is usually a result of their awareness of the pretentiousness and excessive self-importance of many forum enthusiasts. As much as people may hate trolls, they are highly effective - their actions bring much of the stupidity of other forum users out into the great wide open. Trolls are a force for good. They show us how ready people are to dissuade opinions different from their own and how clueless they are. Savvy users can appreciate posts like that, while the less suave category are trapped into the bait. That is what trolls would like to think. Trolls are a great source of entertainment, no denying that. It is an art, and subtlety is the key to mastering it. I think shitposting is trolling, but with no subtlety. Subtlety is what makes a troll clever, it's what users who don't feed the trolls can appreciate. What is true to say though is that trolls are insecure people who want to boost their hurt confidence (often done by other trolls) by asserting their dominance over people they consider sensitive or at least exploitable enough to being hurt. Are you trying to assert that you have a lofty wit op? You need more panache, more flair. Are you sure that this apparent lack of luster isn't due to my staleness but due to the limitations of your vision which doesn't let you see my shine? To understand the great, you have to be the great. Not in name, but in qualities. The rest of what you say are just your assumptions about trolls which may or may not be true but what I can say for sure is that: You have had a bad experience with trolls, riiiight? You are absolutely incorrect, I myself was a troll once, but I stopped. Once I realized how unwise it was, unless done with subtlety, I gave up. Not because I couldn't attain that subtlety, but because I found better ways of making use of my time, however insignificant it is. |
Ozul said: xEmptiness said: No, I assure you, that among whatever failings I might have, spotting a narcissistic dolt is not one of them. Quite vain, aren't we?Are you sure that this apparent lack of luster isn't due to my staleness but due to the limitations of your vision which doesn't let you see my shine? To understand the great, you have to be the great. Not in name, but in qualities. The rest of what you say are just your assumptions about trolls which may or may not be true but what I can say for sure is that: You have had a bad experience with trolls, riiiight? You are absolutely incorrect, I myself was a troll once, but I stopped. Once I realized how unwise it was, unless done with subtlety, I gave up. Not because I couldn't attain that subtlety, but because I found better ways of making use of my time, however insignificant it is. Inasmuch as trolling is a way of life more than it is just an activity, do you not think that your newly found occupation is vanity in the same vein trolling is? You misunderstand the intentions of a troll. True that trolls bring into light the shallow and the intolerant but that doesn't necessarily mean that a troll intended only to assure himself of his own superiority. If you as a troll did that, I cannot say much. But you need to reconsider your criticism of trolling. |
| If someone has enough maturity to not believe everything they hear or see and let all their opinions go to their sub consciousness to better understand other peoples perspective why waste it on getting under peoples skins? Doesn't make any sense to me sorry OP. |
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Nico- said: xEmptiness said: Inasmuch as trolling is a way of life more than it is just an activity, do you not think that your newly found occupation is vanity in the same vein trolling is? You misunderstand the intentions of a troll. True that trolls bring into light the shallow and the intolerant but that doesn't necessarily mean that a troll intended only to assure himself of his own superiority. If you as a troll did that, I cannot say much. But you need to reconsider your criticism of trolling. A troll is someone who makes you lose rationality because there is no other way your mind can function otherwise. Look at Facebook and Twitter's political scene. At this point in time, they're not using their minds to argue, only their emotions. That is clearly not intelligence. That's one type of trolls you'll come across. But they do share the trait of being indifferent about nonsense. A high-minded individual will see such a man and just walk away instead of engaging him. The ability to perceive potentially useless discourses is also part of being high-minded. |
xEmptiness said: Ozul said: No, I assure you, that among whatever failings I might have, spotting a narcissistic dolt is not one of them. Quite vain, aren't we? You are absolutely incorrect, I myself was a troll once, but I stopped. Once I realized how unwise it was, unless done with subtlety, I gave up. Not because I couldn't attain that subtlety, but because I found better ways of making use of my time, however insignificant it is. Inasmuch as trolling is a way of life more than it is just an activity, do you not think that your newly found occupation is vanity in the same vein trolling is? You misunderstand the intentions of a troll. True that trolls bring into light the shallow and the intolerant but that doesn't necessarily mean that a troll intended only to assure himself of his own superiority. If you as a troll did that, I cannot say much. But you need to reconsider your criticism of trolling. True, trolls do that for entertainment, or for the heck of it. I didn't exactly say that all trolls do it for attention or to satisfy their feeling of superiority, but many do so. Including you, I'm inclined to say. Many trolls display traits such as narcissism, machiavellianism, sadism. Both trolls and sadists feel sadistic glee at the distress of others. Sadists just want to have fun ... and the Internet is their playground! It's a worrying problem really. |
Ozul said: xEmptiness said: Inasmuch as trolling is a way of life more than it is just an activity, do you not think that your newly found occupation is vanity in the same vein trolling is? You misunderstand the intentions of a troll. True that trolls bring into light the shallow and the intolerant but that doesn't necessarily mean that a troll intended only to assure himself of his own superiority. If you as a troll did that, I cannot say much. But you need to reconsider your criticism of trolling. True, trolls do that for entertainment, or for the heck of it. I didn't exactly say that all trolls do it for attention or to satisfy their feeling of superiority, but many do so. Including you, I'm inclined to say. Many trolls display traits such as narcissism, machiavellianism, sadism. Both trolls and sadists feel sadistic glee at the distress of others. Sadists just want to have fun ... and the Internet is their playground! It's a worrying problem really. Narcissism is justified if the person actually has qualities. Machiavellianism is simply a stance. And sadism is....well.... I think you meant schadenfreude in which case I'd ask: Ain't that okay until it isn't actually hurting anyone? Nico- said: Right. Intellectual fortitude trumps emotional intelligence. A high-minded individual scoffs at the later in this type of discourse. A low-minded person does not. However, I would like to disagree with you in saying that people can choose their elevation of their mind depending on context, so as much the person is self-aware. Yet in the situations where it matters more, the highest elevation is the one that matters. We are on MAL after all.. In the end though, Nietzsche would be correct in his criticism of some of my posts, were he to see them. That is the self-aware aspect of why I might shitpost. If a person is inciting strong emotions in you, there can only be three possibilities: 1. That person is trolling. 2. That person is just stupid. 3. That person is not trolling but I'm getting offended. You can discern whether that person is a troll or not by taking a deep breath and seeing if he makes 'sense' or not. As for stupidity, it will be apparent according to your mental level (you can only tell the stupid ones apart if you are more intelligent than them). As for the third possibility, refer to the process of discerning the troll; if he is making sense i.e he's not a troll, then it calls for self-improvement on your behalf. |
TranceJun 29, 2016 6:33 PM
xEmptiness said: Ozul said: True, trolls do that for entertainment, or for the heck of it. I didn't exactly say that all trolls do it for attention or to satisfy their feeling of superiority, but many do so. Including you, I'm inclined to say. Many trolls display traits such as narcissism, machiavellianism, sadism. Both trolls and sadists feel sadistic glee at the distress of others. Sadists just want to have fun ... and the Internet is their playground! It's a worrying problem really. Narcissism is justified if the person actually has qualities. Machiavellianism is simply a stance. And sadism is....well.... I think you meant schadenfreude in which case I'd ask: Ain't that okay until it isn't actually hurting anyone? Narcissism may be justified, but not when it gives one an exaggerated sense of one’s own talent and importance or an excessive need for admiration and attention. It becomes a real problem then. All of us are narcissistic in some ways, only difference between me and someone seeing the therapist is that I know when to stop thinking only about myself. Machiavellianism is a stance many trolls adopt. And I think you are confusing sadism with schadenfreude here, sadism is when you stick the blade in someone, schadenfreude is when you laugh instead of helping. |
Ozul said: xEmptiness said: Narcissism is justified if the person actually has qualities. Machiavellianism is simply a stance. And sadism is....well.... I think you meant schadenfreude in which case I'd ask: Ain't that okay until it isn't actually hurting anyone? Narcissism may be justified, but not when it gives one an exaggerated sense of one’s own talent and importance or an excessive need for admiration and attention. It becomes a real problem then. All of us are narcissistic in some ways, only difference between me and someone seeing the therapist is that I know when to stop thinking only about myself. Machiavellianism is a stance many trolls adopt. And I think you are confusing sadism with schadenfreude here, sadism is when you stick the blade in someone, schadenfreude is when you laugh instead of helping. Then your critique is of the degree of narcissism which is only of narcissism and not of trolls. I'm not calling for any admiration here and that is proof enough of how your argument is wrong. A troll simply hangs the knife in the air. It's others who come and stab themselves. And then he is amused (if he wanted to be). So, schadenfreude is more correct. I adopt Machiavellianism as my political doctrine though : ( and that's how it has been for too long. |
xEmptiness said: Ozul said: Narcissism may be justified, but not when it gives one an exaggerated sense of one’s own talent and importance or an excessive need for admiration and attention. It becomes a real problem then. All of us are narcissistic in some ways, only difference between me and someone seeing the therapist is that I know when to stop thinking only about myself. Machiavellianism is a stance many trolls adopt. And I think you are confusing sadism with schadenfreude here, sadism is when you stick the blade in someone, schadenfreude is when you laugh instead of helping. Then your critique is of the degree of narcissism which is only of narcissism and not of trolls. I'm not calling for any admiration here and that is proof enough of how your argument is wrong. A troll simply hangs the knife in the air. It's others who come and stab themselves. And then he is amused (if he wanted to be). So, schadenfreude is more correct. I adopt Machiavellianism as my political doctrine though : ( and that's how it has been for too long. No , just saying how narcissism is not justified, no matter how awesome your qualities are, because that narcissism can quickly reach problematic levels if not vetted. No argument here. You are still confusing it. Sadism is actively taking part, hurting a person for pleasure, entertainment, whatever. When you stick the blade, its sadism. When you laugh and do nothing else, when you are entertained by someone else's humiliation or misfortune, but do nothing to cause said misfortune, then that is schadenfreude. |
| open mindedness is different from high mindedness >.> |
| Wouldn't the medium for trolling make it a trifle? It seems quite easy to grasp a users opinion when one has access to all their numerous postings. The same can be said for anonymity in making it easier for one to abandon their pole of commitment. Perhaps the true high-minds are the trolls who act on first encounters only and aren't frightened to put themselves out there. They would have to if they wanted to be regarded as such. It would be a shame to shirk that method if it were true. No true high-mind would dare be so deceitful. |
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Ozul said: xEmptiness said: Then your critique is of the degree of narcissism which is only of narcissism and not of trolls. I'm not calling for any admiration here and that is proof enough of how your argument is wrong. A troll simply hangs the knife in the air. It's others who come and stab themselves. And then he is amused (if he wanted to be). So, schadenfreude is more correct. I adopt Machiavellianism as my political doctrine though : ( and that's how it has been for too long. No , just saying how narcissism is not justified, no matter how awesome your qualities are, because that narcissism can quickly reach problematic levels if not vetted. No argument here. You are still confusing it. Sadism is actively taking part, hurting a person for pleasure, entertainment, whatever. When you stick the blade, its sadism. When you laugh and do nothing else, when you are entertained by someone else's humiliation or misfortune, but do nothing to cause said misfortune, then that is schadenfreude. You are confusing confidence with narcissism. Simply loving yourself and being certain of your opinions is not narcissism. A troll only leaves the bait for two reasons: Either to get the best out of people, or the worst of them. The worst of the people will give him the sadistic pleasure you describe here, the best of the people provide him the intellectual pleasure (which I think every good troll would want more) of having a good debate. When both these intentions combine, you cannot say that it were sadism. |
| Trolls are people who think using the internet to piss people off makes them clever. They must also point at dog poo and laugh because it's naughty. |
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| maybe you mean trolls are high minded instead, since they make fun of others making themselves feel superior/arrogant |
Astros said: Wouldn't the medium for trolling make it a trifle? It seems quite easy to grasp a users opinion when one has access to all their numerous postings. The same can be said for anonymity in making it easier for one to abandon their pole of commitment. Perhaps the true high-minds are the trolls who act on first encounters only and aren't frightened to put themselves out there. They would have to if they wanted to be regarded as such. It would be a shame to shirk that method if it were true. No true high-mind would dare be so deceitful. If the troll is good enough, it'll be hard to tell that he is trolling regardless of all the information you have available on/of him. The commitment to one's opinions is psychological, not entirely social. Anonymity doesn't have that huge an impact that it'll change your entire anima and persona in a matter of seconds. Even if you live anonymous 90% of the time, your opinions are still your bearings, if you deem them that. Being deceitful and not falling for one's own deceit is a proof to the mental strength of the person. It's not a matter of morals. TheBrainintheJar said: Trolls are people who think using the internet to piss people off makes them clever. They must also point at dog poo and laugh because it's naughty. And you know what's worse? People who get pissed off by these defecates of humanity whom we call 'trolls'. j0x said: maybe you mean trolls are high minded instead, since they make fun of others making themselves feel superior/arrogant Superiority and arrogance is another ground on which I'm not even treading. Entirely irrelevant too. It's not a trait that is innately linked with the act of trolling. It's just an accompaniment. You cannot use it as an argument against trolling. |
xEmptiness said: j0x said: maybe you mean trolls are high minded instead, since they make fun of others making themselves feel superior/arrogant Superiority and arrogance is another ground on which I'm not even treading. Entirely irrelevant too. It's not a trait that is innately linked with the act of trolling. It's just an accompaniment. You cannot use it as an argument against trolling. i see, sorry about that i did not google that word high mindedness before replying to this thread so i thought its some made up word you invented |
xEmptiness said: Astros said: Wouldn't the medium for trolling make it a trifle? It seems quite easy to grasp a users opinion when one has access to all their numerous postings. The same can be said for anonymity in making it easier for one to abandon their pole of commitment. Perhaps the true high-minds are the trolls who act on first encounters only and aren't frightened to put themselves out there. They would have to if they wanted to be regarded as such. It would be a shame to shirk that method if it were true. No true high-mind would dare be so deceitful. If the troll is good enough, it'll be hard to tell that he is trolling regardless of all the information you have available on/of him. The commitment to one's opinions is psychological, not entirely social. Anonymity doesn't have that huge an impact that it'll change your entire anima and persona in a matter of seconds. Even if you live anonymous 90% of the time, your opinions are still your bearings, if you deem them that. Being deceitful and not falling for one's own deceit is a proof to the mental strength of the person. It's not a matter of morals. TheBrainintheJar said: Trolls are people who think using the internet to piss people off makes them clever. They must also point at dog poo and laugh because it's naughty. And you know what's worse? People who get pissed off by these defecates of humanity whom we call 'trolls'. j0x said: maybe you mean trolls are high minded instead, since they make fun of others making themselves feel superior/arrogant Superiority and arrogance is another ground on which I'm not even treading. Entirely irrelevant too. It's not a trait that is innately linked with the act of trolling. It's just an accompaniment. You cannot use it as an argument against trolling. I think it's reasonable to be annoyed to see people ruining humanity's greatest communication tool with bullshit. |
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| @TheBrainintheJar If the troll is good enough, it'll be hard to tell that he is trolling regardless of all the information you have available on/of him. The commitment to one's opinions is psychological, not entirely social. Anonymity doesn't have that huge an impact that it'll change your entire anima and persona in a matter of seconds. Even if you live anonymous 90% of the time, your opinions are still your bearings, if you deem them that. Being deceitful and not falling for one's own deceit is a proof to the mental strength of the person. It's not a matter of morals. Fool! A being of my caliber does not simply change a persona that is of not my true self. I am a man. No, wait. I am a poised grown individual whose experience exceeds that for who cannot comprehend it. One mustn't use foul vocabulary or mere negativity to psychologically overwhelm those who have yet to process the magnitude of greatness of that of which is Excalibur! When I speak, words shall be spoken. And when they are spoken, they shall be heard. Heard like a solitary rain on a silent summer's evening. You may not hear all of it, but you are awed by the privilege to be the presence of such beauty and articulate marvel. |
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| @xEmptiness If intellectual debate is your ultimate aim, would that still be trolling? Anyways, your trolling nobody. |
| @TheBrainintheJar Just because a troll is not arguing his true opinion, doesn't mean he's talking bullshit. Ozul said: @xEmptiness If intellectual debate is your ultimate aim, would that still be trolling? Anyways, your trolling nobody. By definition, nope. But in reality, it happens. A troll is satisfied if others get trolled; but he's elated if he gets something productive out of it too. BakkaGesuiSempai said: @TheBrainintheJar If the troll is good enough, it'll be hard to tell that he is trolling regardless of all the information you have available on/of him. The commitment to one's opinions is psychological, not entirely social. Anonymity doesn't have that huge an impact that it'll change your entire anima and persona in a matter of seconds. Even if you live anonymous 90% of the time, your opinions are still your bearings, if you deem them that. Being deceitful and not falling for one's own deceit is a proof to the mental strength of the person. It's not a matter of morals. Fool! A being of my caliber does not simply change a persona that is of not my true self. I am a man. No, wait. I am a poised grown individual whose experience exceeds that for who cannot comprehend it. One mustn't use foul vocabulary or mere negativity to psychologically overwhelm those who have yet to process the magnitude of greatness of that of which is Excalibur! When I speak, words shall be spoken. And when they are spoken, they shall be heard. Heard like a solitary rain on a silent summer's evening. You may not hear all of it, but you are awed by the privilege to be the presence of such beauty and articulate marvel. You mentioned the wrong guy. Plus, Nope. |
Plus, Nope. @xEmptiness You dare attempt correction! Everything I do is done for a reason that I shall do. When one is mentioned, it is to be of my audience. Yes, an audience to listen to my uncharted commentary and reflection that you shall not see in the mirror of life. I remember the last time I had mentioned someone; I cannot recall who it was, but they were mentioned in the greatest of ways. No, wait, they were given my permission to join me in this ceremonious discussion by the art of attempting to go below one's flesh. We shall see if they come, or if I shall leave. But if I shall leave, it shall be because I shall be back. And back to go drink my coffee with cream at the cafe. |
"As someone who is unaware of the vital role that singing has played in the cultural history of mankind, you are in no position to question me. Ah yes, that reminds me of a song I wrote. The best song that has ever been written. A song so marvelous, mere listening to it shall forever change one's outlook on life. I shall sing it and you will listen. ""♫ Excalibur! Excalibur! From United Kingdom! I'm looking for heaven! I'm going to California! ♫" |
| The way you qualify it, epistemological pluralism could be defined as trolling given the right context. But there is an important difference in that this: xEmptiness said: would be reversed. The primary purpose being production with indifference to whether one's posts are qualified or perceived as trolling.A troll is satisfied if others get trolled; but he's elated if he gets something productive out of it too. An epistemological pluralist will engage in active support of ideas that they themselves don't internalize. But the purpose is exploration of subjective interpretations of Objective Truth. While "trolling" can occur, it is as an effect of indifference rather than intent. |
BakkaGesuiSempai said: Plus, Nope. @xEmptiness You dare attempt correction! Everything I do is done for a reason that I shall do. When one is mentioned, it is to be of my audience. Yes, an audience to listen to my uncharted commentary and reflection that you shall not see in the mirror of life. I remember the last time I had mentioned someone; I cannot recall who it was, but they were mentioned in the greatest of ways. No, wait, they were given my permission to join me in this ceremonious discussion by the art of attempting to go below one's flesh. We shall see if they come, or if I shall leave. But if I shall leave, it shall be because I shall be back. And back to go drink my coffee with cream at the cafe. If your drink is coffee how can you add any drink to your coffee which is essential for coffee to be a drink? NeoVolt said: The way you qualify it, epistemological pluralism could be defined as trolling given the right context. But there is an important difference in that this: xEmptiness said: would be reversed. The primary purpose being production with indifference to whether one's posts are qualified or perceived as trolling.A troll is satisfied if others get trolled; but he's elated if he gets something productive out of it too. An epistemological pluralist will engage in active support of ideas that they themselves don't internalize. But the purpose is exploration of subjective interpretations of Objective Truth. While "trolling" can occur, it is as an effect of indifference rather than intent. Woah. |
xEmptiness said: @TheBrainintheJar Just because a troll is not arguing his true opinion, doesn't mean he's talking bullshit. Ozul said: @xEmptiness If intellectual debate is your ultimate aim, would that still be trolling? Anyways, your trolling nobody. By definition, nope. But in reality, it happens. A troll is satisfied if others get trolled; but he's elated if he gets something productive out of it too. BakkaGesuiSempai said: @TheBrainintheJar Fool! A being of my caliber does not simply change a persona that is of not my true self. I am a man. No, wait. I am a poised grown individual whose experience exceeds that for who cannot comprehend it. One mustn't use foul vocabulary or mere negativity to psychologically overwhelm those who have yet to process the magnitude of greatness of that of which is Excalibur! When I speak, words shall be spoken. And when they are spoken, they shall be heard. Heard like a solitary rain on a silent summer's evening. You may not hear all of it, but you are awed by the privilege to be the presence of such beauty and articulate marvel. You mentioned the wrong guy. Plus, Nope. I know people use 'trolls' to mean people who are just trying to take the piss and make people react. They're not playing devil's advocate for the sake of an intelligent discussion, but deliberately choose a position that'll cause a ruckus. |
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| @TheBrainintheJar But if the end result is an intelligent discussion (highly unlikely) is it still fair to criticize them? Or to put it more clearly, shouldn't we differentiate between the trolls intention and the finished product in the same way we do with art and the death of the author? Now, this thread is a discussion on the mindset of these trolls, so the intention is very important, but a troll who causes butthurt with his intentionally inflammatory position may, as someone else has already pointed, call for a change in the intellectual fortitude of the butthurt individual. A man who experiences this butthurt and rejects it as trolling, and therefore does not change in any way is not worse off than before, but should he remain composed, or better yet, considers the opinion, even if it is for the sole purpose of depriving the troll of the satisfaction he thinks the troll is after, then OP is at least partially correct. Trolling, while not necessarily equating to high-mindedness can certainly lead to it. At worst it ends on butthurt, and at best, to enlightenment. However, I think it's incorrect to assume trolling is a result of indifference rather than a desire to antagonize people. People who are merely indifferent do not play devils advocate for the sake of it, one plays devils advocate either to get a rise out of someone or out of genuine concern that many sides of an argument presented. Shit posting results from indifference, but is an indifference towards bettering oneself rather than in emotional investment in ones beliefs. |
merryfistmasJul 2, 2016 1:47 AM
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| Yeah, that does make sense if that trolls you speak of is as you perfectly described. |
Trolls_Bane said: Yeah, that does make sense if that trolls you speak of is as you perfectly described. is perfectly as you described*? lab_coat said: open mindedness is different from high mindedness >.> Same thing, almost. Both aren't mutually exclusive at the very least. Being open-minded is a condition for high-mindedness. |
xEmptiness said: Trolls_Bane said: Yeah, that does make sense if that trolls you speak of is as you perfectly described. is perfectly as you described*? If they are as you perfectly described, being able to switch views and fully argued for them like it's their own. |
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