Puella Magi Madoka Magica
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| So 5 year old anime is old now? You can also warn about spoilers from Rebellion, some people might have watched TV series but haven't seen the movie yet and you're spoiling both. I think TV series was better simply because the movie desparately needs a continuation. Ending of TV series tied everything together nicely. |
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| The film was very interesting, beautiful, clever, etc. But only the series was a work of genius, imho. |
| "Burn this sight into your minds. This is what it means to be a magical girl." |
| Then you should watch more "old" anime |
| But it's a horrible anime . It's grimdark bullshit that purely relies on shock factor and you somehow giving a fuck about the plain characters to actually find it interesting .The characters aren't so impressive that you can call them complex/layered/whatever and unless you can like nigh blank slates ,I don't see why you'd like Madoka . |
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| There are ordinary magical girl anime like Lady Jewelpet and Nurse Angel Ririka that have darker and more interesting concepts. Ririka was from 1995 and it toyed with the concept of magical girls being recruited with the main objective of their existence being to kill themselves in order to save the world. It came out 16 years before Madoka and it was already using this idea. Princess Tutu from 2002 had a different approach in which the world is controlled by a story teller who has written the destiny of the main character to preform an action that would lead to her death. Cardcaptor Sakura (1998) does hint at the idea that Sakura is meant to sacrifice herself in order to keep the world in line, but it doesn't feel quite as strong as some others. Not actually a magical girl anime, but Serial Experiments Lain from 1998 does as better job with the "no one remembers you" idea. |
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| Well the things that I found interesting in PMMM is the "wish" concept and some life-lessons. It may not be the first dark magical girls, nor a deconstruction, but I feel somehow that the wish concept is somewhat a metaphor to some daily life aspects. |
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Bozzzz said: Believe it or not but it's pretty much exactly like regular magical girl anime. I decided not to watch it because the description was like a regular magical girl anime. But then I heard that the studio deceived us on purpose and it's actually good, so it's back on my watch list. Is it great way to get magical girl fans to see sth more serious but might throw off someone like me with it's magical girl description. So it's a win/loss but an interesting approach. People have said they have shown it to their children (shoujo age) without any issues. |
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| [quote=jaetransform message=46061934]It doesn't have that "girly-childish-everything-goes-in-the-way-the-main-character-wants-it-to" Agreed (y) |
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Bozzzz said: I decided not to watch it because the description was like a regular magical girl anime. But then I heard that the studio deceived us on purpose and it's actually good, so it's back on my watch list. Is it great way to get magical girl fans to see sth more serious but might throw off someone like me with it's magical girl description. So it's a win/loss but an interesting approach. Are you serious -_-? Have you watched any other mahou shoujo? As zombie_pegasus said, it just recycles common tropes of the genre and rolls them in a single package along with a weird art style. It's nowhere close to be the darkest or most unique mahou shoujo out there. In my opinion it just tries to capitalize on that first gratuitous death with the subtelty of a drunk mammoth. |
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| @jaetransform he watched it, or at least enough to rate it, I wouldn't have answered otherwise. I'm just not sure how he's able to form an opinion on a genre he never watches. I only saw 3 magical girls in my life + the occasional Sailor Moon episode in my childhood, and I can already say Madoka isn't the darkest/a revolution or whatever. |
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| @jaetransform Well I'm not a magical girls expert but... I enjoyed Shoujo Kakumei Utena a lot more than Madoka. Tho you'll have to deal with meh animation. |
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jaetransform said: Thanks m8! Really needed one to get over the feels from Madoka Magica. Sigh.. PAD (Post-Anime-Depression) you know? :/ I wouldn't call it depression, but yeah, good movies/books/shows/ can make you feel awkward when it ends ^^. You can always rewatch it in a few months ;p |
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| They've announced a continuation but there's little else we know. In the mean time, if you ever wonder what Madoka wished for in the first timeline, you can check out the Drama CD. |
| @Bozzzz Hmm Madoka is rated in your list, I tought you watched it ^_-. Hey Claymore is in that list, I'm watching it right now and it's cool if you don't mind gore. It sure gives a small magical girls vibe. I found Utena a lot darker. You'll need someone else to guide you in your discovery of mahou shoujo, I still need to watch'em ^^. The usual names that pop up when you mention the genre are (besides Sailor Moon) Madoka, Cardcaptor Sakura, Princess Tutu, Utena and Lyrical Nanoha, roughly in that order. But don't mind me, I'm just butthurt when people treat Madoka as some kind of special magical girls ^^'. Probably Comic_Sans' bad influence. |
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| how old must you be to think that 2011 is old? I dont consider msmm to be a work of genius but I really liked the ending |
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| It's one of my favorite anime, so yeah MSMM is glorious. I liked Rebellion, but my like for it diminished slowly over time as a sequel is really needed to complete the story. |
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| I thought madoka was bad, and tried too hard to be deep. You're welcome to your own opinion though, just thought i'd share mine. |
Lord_Sithis said: Also, watching this series one time is just 50%. If possible, you should watch it at least three times. It gets better every time you re-watch it. I'm afraid I disagree with you there. I saw it one time, didn't care for it, and then I rewatched it and liked it even less. So I'd say it got worse for me upon a rewatch. Or do you mean that if someone likes it and rewatches it, it gets better for them? |
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| Madoka is fucking garbage and very, very recent. This pisses me off so much. |
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Bozzzz said: Clebardman said: @Bozzzz Hmm Madoka is rated in your list, I tought you watched it ^_-. Hey Claymore is in that list, I'm watching it right now and it's cool if you don't mind gore. It sure gives a small magical girls vibe. I found Utena a lot darker. You'll need someone else to guide you in your discovery of mahou shoujo, I still need to watch'em ^^. The usual names that pop up when you mention the genre are (besides Sailor Moon) Madoka, Cardcaptor Sakura, Princess Tutu, Utena and Lyrical Nanoha, roughly in that order. But don't mind me, I'm just butthurt when people treat Madoka as some kind of special magical girls ^^'. Probably Comic_Sans' bad influence. I rated Madoca on 1st ep and then put it on hold but never got to watching it. Probably will start it soon. Claymore and Utena seem to have potential but Cardcaptor Sakura and Lyrical Nanoha are why I've avoided magical girl animes. They were what were most popular among magical girl anime and by the talk I've heard and clips i've seen I supposed I wouldn't like them. But I might be wrong, I've never watched a whole episode (and probably never will as this genre is not for me and would have to be really good to get me to like it). Utena is perfection |
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Fullmetal-Ghoul said: Madoka is fucking garbage and very, very recent. This pisses me off so much. What does it being recent have to do with its quality? |
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| Yeah, but imo pacing was too slow. Age of anime doesn't mean much. |
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D-ohnuts said: Fullmetal-Ghoul said: Madoka is fucking garbage and very, very recent. This pisses me off so much. What does it being recent have to do with its quality? He said it was old, but it's super new |
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Oh okay. lol at considering a barely-5 year old anime old. |
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MechaGuy said: I thought madoka was bad, and tried too hard to be deep. You're welcome to your own opinion though, just thought i'd share mine. This is literally the most sensible MAL post I have seen in a long time.  |
| When an anime from 2011 is called old... that hurts |
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| I thought Madoka was pretty underwhelming. For a show about cute magical girls suffering, they sure did a piss poor job at making me actually care about these girls. Hell, I outright hated Sayaka, for some reason she liked that violin boy, who was never characterized as anything more than a whiny piece of shit, so much that she went out of her way to make everything get worse for herself and turn into a witch in the end. Why? What's the story behind this? Why does Sayaka like this guy so much? And how the hell is her soul being in a gem such a big deal that she now considers herself some kind of unholy abomination because of it? Her body still looks and functions exactly like it did before the contract, as long as she keeps her gem around there shouldn't be any problem. But of course, they needed some "psychological" drama to show how a mahou shoujo turns into a witch and all, so there you go, Sayaka was a plot device first and a character second. In fact, I feel that way with pretty much everyone who isn't Homura in this series, she's the only one who actually gets properly fleshed out, the episode that shows her backstory is by far the best one in this show, it was legitimately sad seeing how she constantly failed to save Madoka and how each failed attempt scarred her emotionally. But Madoka, Mami and Kyouko are so underdeveloped that I just couldn't feel anything for them, poor Mami even died before she could get the chance to develop as a character, she was written with the purpose of giving some explanation the mahou shoujo system and shocking the audience with her death later on as the introduction to the show's dark tone. |
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