Is fanservice ruining anime nowdays?
| There are too many examples of this, imo is really sad bc some of them are getting low scoring because unnecessary ecchi I think the anime producers of this times are only focusing in boobs and butts way more than the actually plot. As a ecchi lover this is getting really annoying cuz they're spamming boobs everywhere... k m8 *clears throat* |
kyutoraMar 23, 2016 8:54 PM
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| I don't know where you're coming from. As of lately I've only seen bad show with fanservice. |
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| lol@"series with good plot " why not give names? |
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| I'm waiting here for the ecchi prince @Mamster-P ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
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| Look at fairy tail. Look, there's a time and a place, and this is an example where they don't know this. You can't take serious fights seriously because it's followed by boobs in your face. The other day there was a serious scene in one piece but beccause of boob physics I couldn't find it serious, and this is from a viewpoint from it being my favorite show. there's a time and a place, and some shows don't seem to understand this. I don't wanna see fanservice but if it knows the time and place I wouldn't mind as much, but for fucks sake some of this shit gets RIDICULOUS. I cannot take a show seriously if it throws any boob scene they can to attract attention. If it's an ecchi then good for it, if not then it could try a little better to be a good show. lol. |
| Why stop at "with good plots"? Fanservice in general is getting damn annoying. It'd be so nice if anime could learn from Iron-Blooded Orphans.If I had to bet, I'd put money on OP hinting at Grimgar. |
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| Another ecchi/fanservice thread... Haha! I'm getting tired of arguing for ecchi/fanservice... So I'll just wrap it up saying that there's nothing wrong with it. Ecchi is good. |
OssMoses said: I'm waiting here for the ecchi prince @Mamster-P ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? I THOUGHT I SCARED YOU ECCHI THREAD STARTERS AWAY i'll wait for the baity comments before i flame this shit |
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| Depends on it's used e.g. Misato "presenting" herself to Shinji, giving their relationship a sexual component, making it all the more awkward, and informing you about her character. I'm not adverse to sexuality, but meaningless titillation isn't something I welcome with open arms. |
| Kill la Kill would like a word with you. The ecchi IS the plot. |
| I think everything just needs proper balance, long as it doesn't go over board and basically rewrite the plot to focus on harem/ecchi... its passable imo. So, a little bit doesn't hurt. Long as its balanced, I see no problems. I don't care for FS in general, especially when some isn't particularly 'meant to be' FS. (Like just a 20~ sec casual shower, thinking about what happened.) May be classified as FS still, but I just see it as casual. "The norm", more or less. |
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| Most fanservice shows are bad LN adaptations now, the good news is that we won't have anymore after this year as every single one that can be adapted has been announced to have an adaptation or is already adapted. |
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| why would someone not like ecchi, the only reason that i can think of is that the ecchi part is not well delivered or draggy |
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| where are the baity comments? how am i supposed to flame this thread without them? |
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| I don't mind it, especially if everything else is good too. |
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| I don't think I've seen an otherwise great show get ruined by fan service. All the fan servicey shoes I've dropped have had a lot of other problems. Nisemonogatari probably would have been better if it focused more on dialogue than on fan service even if that fan service was pretty hot, but that's all I can think of, and even then it didn't ruin it. |
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| I've never liked fanservice, much less ecchi lol. Even as a kid, all the fanservice scenes in Fairy Tail made me cringe. |
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| I have zero interest in fanservice that is aimed at guys (which I presume is what you're referring to), so I don't care if it's there or not. If it's the only thing there I won't watch, if there're interesting elements to the story, I might, so I understand why fanservice shows have plots-- to expand the audience to include people like me. |
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| I'm pretty sure the people producing anime nowadays are far less concerned about some abstract rating on a third tier American anime forum with an English speaking community than they care about what puts money in their pockets at the end of the day. And no, I'm not annoyed by it. I kind of like it. |
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| Gawd dammit you gaiz, op is right! Bewbs are ruining anime, and we need to enhance the plot with more thought provoking tropes.. |
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| At least ecchi with good plot are a lot better than the ecchi with no plot. And did I mention that I watch ecchi only for the plot? ^_^ |
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| Nah, IMO it really doesn't. Too much of anything however, is bad. |
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| People should stop caring about it imo. Sometimes it's done really badly but it's just a minority. I mean, seriously man, if the story is intersting but you can't let your eyes stare something else than the boobs, the problem doesn't come from the anime but from you tbh. |
| In most cases I don't mind it but I mean sometimes it's just straight up unnecessary which gets rather irritating. |
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| Theres never a bad moment for some fanservice. :p Except when u really wanna see the story progress...then idk |
KonaKoffee4 said: Gawd dammit you gaiz, op is right! Bewbs are ruining anime, and we need to enhance the plot with more thought provoking tropes.. His stomach looks like a rattlesnake's tail. |
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| Well, it isn't the case for me.. I enjoyed Prison School a lot although their amount of fanservice is too much.. their plot is still a very good ones though, and i'm not addicted to ecchi so i found it's okay.. I only have some problems with the anime where the ecchi scenes overwhelm the plot/story.. |
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| I really hate ecchi in serious anime, a good romance is all that's needed. I do like ecchi but in the anime that it's supposed to be in not in serious plot. |
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| Like anything else, there's a time and a place for everything. If I'm watching an otherwise serious anime or something where fanservice really isn't needed, I likely won't enjoy it as much as those where ecchi scenes are prevalent from the get go. I'm of the opinion, though, that if they're going to throw in fanservice, go all the way with it. Make it as extreme as possible. If the fanservice isn't going to be as good as that from an ecchi series, don't bother forcing it in in the first place because it's automatically worse. Hardly constitutes as fanservice at that point. It might shit on the pacing and the plot all the same, but at least it's more enjoyable to watch. |
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| After watching one episode of high school DxD, I stopped watching any anime with the genre ecchi. Why? Because if the anime is so focused on boobs, I'd rather pass. Just lately I tried to watch an ecchi, though with PG13 rate. All the ecchi parts are embarrassing to watch (I don't care it's weird) but still acceptable for me. But R+ won't work. To make things short, if it's not too much, maybe. But when it becomes more than this, hell no. People say DxD is beautiful. But for me, as long as it goes around stupid things like women's body and perverted guy... It can't be that awesome. |
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lol guys complaining about "ecchi" saying they don't want it |
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| I think that in general, well-used fanservice makes a show better. There are very few shows that misplace fanservice so much it makes the viewers (or at least me) uncomfortable. Like the scenes criminals in Triage X use to prove they are really bad and deserve to die. (In case you are not familiar with the anime - they're kind of like SAO's scenes with Asuna and Oberon/Sugou and his tentacled scientists, only worse, because the women are usually beaten up) That was probably intentional in Highschool of the Dead, as it's a horror. And there are some shows that are bad at showing restraint with fanservice, which stops working right. Like Najika Blitz Tactics. They are rare too. Kezone said: I have zero interest in fanservice that is aimed at guys (which I presume is what you're referring to), so I don't care if it's there or not. If it's the only thing there I won't watch, if there're interesting elements to the story, I might, so I understand why fanservice shows have plots-- to expand the audience to include people like me. I think it's the other way around - the authors add fanservice to expand the audience toward the male side. Adding fanservice is always easier than adding plot. Just be male, and ask yourself a question - would the story be better if this character was a scantly-clad woman? (Naturally, the answer is "yes" most of the time, unless the character is meant to die by MC's hand) KonaKoffee4 said: Gawd dammit you gaiz, op is right! Bewbs are ruining anime, and we need to enhance the plot with more thought provoking tropes.. Ouch. This picture makes me understand why girls dislike male-oriented fanservice. Real men would not look like that, it's too much even for a bodybuilder. |
flannan said: I think it's the other way around - the authors add fanservice to expand the audience toward the male side. Adding fanservice is always easier than adding plot. Just be male, and ask yourself a question - would the story be better if this character was a scantly-clad woman? (Naturally, the answer is "yes" most of the time, unless the character is meant to die by MC's hand) Your opinion =/= fact. If they have to add nudity because they can't come up with another way of keeping the viewer's attention, I personally wouldn't consider that a positive thing. |
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-Maz said: I'm of the opinion, though, that if they're going to throw in fanservice, go all the way with it. Make it as extreme as possible. If the fanservice isn't going to be as good as that from an ecchi series, don't bother forcing it in in the first place because it's automatically worse. Hardly constitutes as fanservice at that point. It might shit on the pacing and the plot all the same, but at least it's more enjoyable to watch. I don't think so. A panty shot or a beach episode isn't going to make an anime worse even if it's otherwise serious. EfiChan said: After watching one episode of high school DxD, I stopped watching any anime with the genre ecchi. Why? Because if the anime is so focused on boobs, I'd rather pass. I watched a few episodes of Highschool DxD myself, and even though MC's personality was too uncool for me and I dropped it, it didn't seem all that breastful. I can understand it if a man finds fanservice too distracting and seems to forget everything else that happened around the fanservice (like some people who forget Mai-sempai from Musaigen Phantom World is anything but a pair of breasts), because hormones and stuff. But I do not understand it when it happens to females. Unless they're into women too. |
| > OP: "there are too many examples of this" > doesn't even give one example |
| Mirai Nikki fan-service doesn't bother me. It that call fan-service BTW? |
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-Maz said: flannan said: I think it's the other way around - the authors add fanservice to expand the audience toward the male side. Adding fanservice is always easier than adding plot. Just be male, and ask yourself a question - would the story be better if this character was a scantly-clad woman? (Naturally, the answer is "yes" most of the time, unless the character is meant to die by MC's hand) Your opinion =/= fact. If they have to add nudity because they can't come up with another way of keeping the viewer's attention, I personally wouldn't consider that a positive thing. 1) That was meant to be dramatic exaggeration, not an actual guide to making anime. 2) Subjectivity is already included - the instruction specifically says that the one asking the question has to be male. The hornier the male, the better (for fanservice) the result. 3) No, nobody adds fanservice to keep the viewer's attention. That's what we have the plot and characters for. Fanservice is there to keep the viewer happy. Because we aren't making some drama. |
_Esper_ said: Mirai Nikki fan-service doesn't bother me. It that call fan-service BTW? Depending on the specific scene you mean, it can be called Fan Disservice. At least, that's what Tvtropes call it. |
flannan said: -Maz said: Your opinion =/= fact. If they have to add nudity because they can't come up with another way of keeping the viewer's attention, I personally wouldn't consider that a positive thing. 1) That was meant to be dramatic exaggeration, not an actual guide to making anime. 2) Subjectivity is already included - the instruction specifically says that the one asking the question has to be male. The hornier the male, the better (for fanservice) the result. 3) No, nobody adds fanservice to keep the viewer's attention. That's what we have the plot and characters for. Fanservice is there to keep the viewer happy. Because we aren't making some drama. I fail to see how just watching the series enough on its own isn't enough to keep a viewer happy. If you're enjoying what's happening, the fanservice isn't needed. In fact, depending on one's view on fanservice it can even make something worse because of the inclusion of it. And like I said in my other post - there's simply a time and a place for everything. The "connecting emotions" drama they were throwing off in every episode of Prince of Stride was silly, because at the end of the day all they were doing was parkour. The dramsa was unnecessary. Having a tear-jerking anime include some cheesy comedy during a sad moment where it doesn't fit the mood at all is unnecessary. Fanservice is no exception to this. Shoehorning it in for the sake of pandering is quite naturally not going to appeal to many people. |
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-Maz said: flannan said: 3) No, nobody adds fanservice to keep the viewer's attention. That's what we have the plot and characters for. Fanservice is there to keep the viewer happy. Because we aren't making some drama. I fail to see how just watching the series enough on its own isn't enough to keep a viewer happy. If you're enjoying what's happening, the fanservice isn't needed. That must be because we look for different things in anime. My life is dreary, and I turn to anime to be happier. It's not enough for me to just immerse myself in an engaging story, I want it to actually uplift my spirits. That's why I'm much more sensitive to the levels of happiness in a show. At my lowest points, Cute Girls Doing Cute Things is just the thing I need - no tension, no plot that might lead the characters to suffering, moe characters to keep my attention. At any point, I want good endings. I can only watch stories about characters experiencing extreme hardships at my strongest points. Or because I've already started watching them, and can't abandon the characters until they get to the good ending. And I'm very vulnerable to despair. Did I explain it well? |
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| Give me a lot of examples of anime with a good plot that are ruined by fanservice OP unless of course you're pulling everything you said from your ass. |
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Bobby2Hands said: makes it even betterKonaKoffee4 said: Gawd dammit you gaiz, op is right! Bewbs are ruining anime, and we need to enhance the plot with more thought provoking tropes.. His stomach looks like a rattlesnake's tail. .................................. |
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flannan said: -Maz said: I fail to see how just watching the series enough on its own isn't enough to keep a viewer happy. If you're enjoying what's happening, the fanservice isn't needed. That must be because we look for different things in anime. My life is dreary, and I turn to anime to be happier. It's not enough for me to just immerse myself in an engaging story, I want it to actually uplift my spirits. That's why I'm much more sensitive to the levels of happiness in a show. At my lowest points, Cute Girls Doing Cute Things is just the thing I need - no tension, no plot that might lead the characters to suffering, moe characters to keep my attention. At any point, I want good endings. I can only watch stories about characters experiencing extreme hardships at my strongest points. Or because I've already started watching them, and can't abandon the characters until they get to the good ending. And I'm very vulnerable to despair. Did I explain it well? Sure. It doesn't really contradict what I'm saying either. What I care about is how the fanservice is handled. There are some series that simply do not need it, flat; just how there are some series which are designed completely around it and are based on titillating the viewer. If an anime has a somewhat mature or darker plot, fanservice will usually serve only to ruin the immersion. If it exists solely to try and appease a certain type of viewer, rather than occuring naturally, the atmosphere suffers for it. When suddenly there is unwarranted nudity being thrown in my face when there isn't a sufficient reason for it, how am I to consider the fanservice a positive thing? If I wanted to see jiggling boobs and watch something feel-good and lighthearted, I'd simply go and watch a CGDCT anime. Having an anime shit over itself to try and appease sad viewers is inane. It also doesn't help that far too many people consider fanservice to be synonymous with sexual gratification. You can give service to fans in a myriad of ways; relying on base nudity all the time gets boring. Look at Musaigen no Phantom World - in the more recent episodes the amount of overt fanservice has subsided; they've instead given it in other, less crass ways. For instance, take the festival episode they had. We got to see the characters dress up in different clothes, wearing yukatas and the like instead. We get to see attractive people wearing something other than yet another highschool uniform, and that in itself can serve as fanservice. It was made relevant to the story, rather than feeling forced or obligatory too, to boot. I might have a lot of other issues with Musaigen, but the way it handles its fanservice is not one of them. Simply put, if an event happens unnaturally and feels forced just for the sake of pandering to a certain subset of viewers, it will take away from my immersion in the story. If they are going to put in fanservice no matter what, I'd at the very least like for it to feel natural and relevant. I'd like a reason for it. I always shake my head when I'm watching a mecha or military anime, for example, and the female soldiers never wear trousers. For some inexplicable reason, it's an absolute law that they must have their arse hanging out. To me, it just looks stupid. I've yet to see a decent reason as to why females and females alone must always have their arse hanging out in their uniforms. That's just another type of what I consider to be poorly handled fanservice. |
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| Some anime like Gunbuster, Kill la Kill and the Monogatari series have ecchi and it actually makes the anime better but most times anime with ecchi don't even try to have a plot, specially "nowadays" like you said your poll, there aren't even anime with good plot anyways, ecchi or not. |
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Tenshi_Shura said: I don't know about anime that were destroyed by ecchi because most ecchi know what they want to be from the very beginning but I'd have Nanatsu no Taizai and Nisemonogatari higher on my consideration if they had less ecchi.Give me a lot of examples of anime with a good plot that are ruined by fanservice OP unless of course you're pulling everything you said from your ass. |
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