My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, As I Expected (light novel)
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Jun 26, 2015 10:53 PM
#1
I kinda understand what they are talking at the end but I kinda don't understand. Can someone else explain to me what they are going on about. |
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Jun 26, 2015 11:02 PM
#2
Basically all you gotta know is that Yui wanted to keep their feelings towards Hikigaya on hold and have the relationship they have continuing. Yukinoshita was about to accept but Hikigaya declines for her because that kind of fake relationship isn't what Hikigaya wants ( He wants the genuine/true/real thing ) and wanted Yukinoshita to decide for herself and solve the problems herself. Yui wanted everything just like she said, however she ultimately knows she can't attain everything without losing something which is shown and told. I don't know if Yui said the whole "lets keep this relationship on hold" thing while knowing that Hikigaya would reject it (just like the said "I knew you would say that") but I'm sure she was okay with whatever that was going to happen imo. We pretty much can assume that the trio all know how their relationship is towards each other and at this point is where the anime is cut off. |
Jun 26, 2015 11:04 PM
#3
This is just my interpretation so take it with a grain of salt. 1.Hachiman put labels onto people because it's then easy for him to characterize people and their interactions. Yui, as he labeled was a nice girl and Yukinon is a strong willed girl. But as he finds out Yukinon has her share of problems, specifically when standing up for herself and creating her own path and decisions. Yui however will use means that may be deemed inappropriate to further her own agenda. Like when she said I'll take everything it most likely meant that she gets to control the way the club will go on form then and gets the first shot at Hachiman's love. 2.Hachiman as he stated doesn't want bonds that aren't real and are just there because the can be he wants something genuine. 3. So when Yui offers to pretty much handle Yukinon's problems Hachiman rejects this because it goes against what he feels is right. As he said somebody shouldn't chose someone else's life for them so he was to some degree disgusted with Yui and Yukinon. So the finale ended off with us getting Yukinon's request and them choosing to help her but not make any key decisions. Yui more or less got her feelings across and Hachiman is happy that they are going into a direction where something genuine is possible even though it may end up hurting all three of them. |
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Jun 26, 2015 11:49 PM
#4
bobzanny said: 1.Hachiman put labels onto people because it's then easy for him to characterize people and their interactions. Yui, as he labeled was a nice girl and Yukinon is a strong willed girl. But as he finds out Yukinon has her share of problems, specifically when standing up for herself and creating her own path and decisions. Yui however will use means that may be deemed inappropriate to further her own agenda. Like when she said I'll take everything it most likely meant that she gets to control the way the club will go on form then and gets the first shot at Hachiman's love. 2.Hachiman as he stated doesn't want bonds that aren't real and are just there because the can be he wants something genuine. 3. So when Yui offers to pretty much handle Yukinon's problems Hachiman rejects this because it goes against what he feels is right. As he said somebody shouldn't chose someone else's life for them so he was to some degree disgusted with Yui and Yukinon. Yeah don't forget though, Yui told Hachiman "I thought you'd say that". Yui also wanted Yukino to make her own decisions. That's why she stared so intently at Yukino fighting for a response. I believe there's a reason she invited Both of them out and initiated that conversation. She knew Yukino wouldn't make her own choice (she was about to say "I wouldn't mind that" but Hachiman isn't the type to stay silent, and he didn't, opening Yukino's eyes in the process. Yui stated she wants it all. Her friendship and the guy, but she already knows it's not possible. Basically, she was making effort to bring it up to Yukino who just "goes with the flow" and feigns ignorance when it comes to those things. |
Jun 26, 2015 11:50 PM
#5
- Yui is going to start being competitive over Hikki's love with Yukinon - Yui calls everyone out on a "group date" as "one last hurrah" with everyone together as they have been before she starts taking the aggressive approach - Yui wants to win the bet that took place at the beginning of season one where whoever solves the most challenges gets to ask whoever to do whatever - Yui wants to win so she can ask Hikki to go out with her - Yui knows that Yukinon really really wants the trio to stay together, and so Yui asks her if it's okay to do that - Thus, this makes Yui really unfair and deceiving since she knows Yukinon won't be able to say "no" to her - When Yukinon is about to say "yes" (really her only option), Hikki steps in since he notices Yukinon being unable to speak for herself - He doesn't agree that it's okay for a bet to determine what someone can and cannot do - If Yui wins the bet and does with it what she plans to do, Yukinon won't be able to tell Hikki her feelings, so that is why Hikki is against this (since she wouldn't be able to do what she wanted, which is unfair. It's like controlling someone's options in life, which Hikki definitely doesn't agree with) - Yukinon says "this isn't the final anything" since they still have to do Hikki's request. They still need to find something genuine. She wants them to all still stay together regardless of what relationships they may have currently or in the future - Yukinon has a request for the Service Club, but... CLIFFHANGER (she doesn't tell us what the request is) |
Jun 27, 2015 12:16 AM
#6
DoctorWasabi said: - Yui is going to start being competitive over Hikki's love with Yukinon - Yui calls everyone out on a "group date" as "one last hurrah" with everyone together as they have been before she starts taking the aggressive approach - Yui wants to win the bet that took place at the beginning of season one where whoever solves the most challenges gets to ask whoever to do whatever - Yui wants to win so she can ask Hikki to go out with her - Yui knows that Yukinon really really wants the trio to stay together, and so Yui asks her if it's okay to do that - Thus, this makes Yui really unfair and deceiving since she knows Yukinon won't be able to say "no" to her - When Yukinon is about to say "yes" (really her only option), Hikki steps in since he notices Yukinon being unable to speak for herself - He doesn't agree that it's okay for a bet to determine what someone can and cannot do - If Yui wins the bet and does with it what she plans to do, Yukinon won't be able to tell Hikki her feelings, so that is why Hikki is against this (since she wouldn't be able to do what she wanted, which is unfair. It's like controlling someone's options in life, which Hikki definitely doesn't agree with) - Yukinon says "this isn't the final anything" since they still have to do Hikki's request. They still need to find something genuine. She wants them to all still stay together regardless of what relationships they may have currently or in the future - Yukinon has a request for the Service Club, but... CLIFFHANGER (she doesn't tell us what the request is) Are you guys kidding me? Most of you have the wrong impression of Yui. If she wanted Hikigaya for himself she would have asked only asked him on a date. Her plan was to be the wingman, she knew Hikigaya would step in and stop her "grand scheme" thats why she was smiling and teared at the end. The proposal was meant to be stopped, if Yukinon agreed, it wouldn't have been what Yui wanted. But it was the best thing she could think of, she would have probably backed out if yukinon confessed or gave her chocolate. Part of why Hikigaya stopped this nonsense was because he knew Yui wasn't being true to herself and that she didn't really want what she was saying. Same with Yukino. In short, Yui pulled a Hachiman. In order for any growth to be possible and problems to be resolved there needs to be conflict. And she was the conflict. She was sacrificing herself. It was evident since episode 12, where she refused hikigaya twice because she knew yukinon liked him. She was giving up her feelings in order to let yukinon and hachiman's relationship grow. |
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Jun 27, 2015 12:17 AM
#7
Dragon0129 said: It's okI kinda understand what they are talking at the end but I kinda don't understand. |
Jun 27, 2015 12:18 AM
#8
SquirrelKing said: Are you guys kidding me? Most of you have the wrong impression of Yui. If she wanted Hikigaya for himself she would have asked only asked him on a date. Her plan was to be the wingman, she knew Hikigaya would step in and stop her "grand scheme" thats why she was smiling and teared at the end. Part of why Hikigaya stopped this nonsense was because he knew Yui wasn't being true to herself and that she didn't really want what she was saying. Same with Yukino. yes, i said something similar. yui had a reason for saying it with both of them present. |
Jun 27, 2015 12:49 AM
#9
Pretty much what everyone else said. And like the episode when Hikki talked about something genuine they put it all out there. Yukino said." it wasn't the final anything." None of them can go into dating or anything else until Yukino and Hachiman both deal with their issues. So we won't see any dating at all until they finish Hikki's request of something genuine. And Yukino request will most likely be about being able to make her own decisions and be her own person. So my guess would be there is at max 2-3 volumes after volume 11. Which will deal with all that until the final ending of will they stay friends even if Hachiman dates one of them.Or will they just stay friends without dating.Or will they just grow apart after high school. |
Jun 27, 2015 8:01 AM
#10
SquirrelKing said: DoctorWasabi said: - Yui is going to start being competitive over Hikki's love with Yukinon - Yui calls everyone out on a "group date" as "one last hurrah" with everyone together as they have been before she starts taking the aggressive approach - Yui wants to win the bet that took place at the beginning of season one where whoever solves the most challenges gets to ask whoever to do whatever - Yui wants to win so she can ask Hikki to go out with her - Yui knows that Yukinon really really wants the trio to stay together, and so Yui asks her if it's okay to do that - Thus, this makes Yui really unfair and deceiving since she knows Yukinon won't be able to say "no" to her - When Yukinon is about to say "yes" (really her only option), Hikki steps in since he notices Yukinon being unable to speak for herself - He doesn't agree that it's okay for a bet to determine what someone can and cannot do - If Yui wins the bet and does with it what she plans to do, Yukinon won't be able to tell Hikki her feelings, so that is why Hikki is against this (since she wouldn't be able to do what she wanted, which is unfair. It's like controlling someone's options in life, which Hikki definitely doesn't agree with) - Yukinon says "this isn't the final anything" since they still have to do Hikki's request. They still need to find something genuine. She wants them to all still stay together regardless of what relationships they may have currently or in the future - Yukinon has a request for the Service Club, but... CLIFFHANGER (she doesn't tell us what the request is) Are you guys kidding me? Most of you have the wrong impression of Yui. If she wanted Hikigaya for himself she would have asked only asked him on a date. Her plan was to be the wingman, she knew Hikigaya would step in and stop her "grand scheme" thats why she was smiling and teared at the end. The proposal was meant to be stopped, if Yukinon agreed, it wouldn't have been what Yui wanted. But it was the best thing she could think of, she would have probably backed out if yukinon confessed or gave her chocolate. Part of why Hikigaya stopped this nonsense was because he knew Yui wasn't being true to herself and that she didn't really want what she was saying. Same with Yukino. In short, Yui pulled a Hachiman. In order for any growth to be possible and problems to be resolved there needs to be conflict. And she was the conflict. She was sacrificing herself. It was evident since episode 12, where she refused hikigaya twice because she knew yukinon liked him. She was giving up her feelings in order to let yukinon and hachiman's relationship grow. She did not give up her feelings at all from what I can see. She gave cookies to Hachiman IN FRONT of Yukino. That is not something that seems like giving up to me. Also..I'm not saying that Yui is bad at all cause from what I can see..she cares a lot about Yukino. That is why she wants to have a fair fight with her. She wants to keep this friendship between them but she also knows that saying her true feelings would ruin the whole Trio thing. I'm pretty sure that Yukino knows that Yui likes Hachi and Yui knows that Yukino likes Hachi. This episode showed that unlike Yukino..Yui is able to show her true feelings. That is probably why Yukino says ''You are amazing'' or something like that after Yui gave her cookies to Hachiman openly. She also knows that Yukino saying her true feelings would break this Trio thing going on. That is why she herself says that she is not as nice as you think. Because Yui does not want Yukino to confess but she is not cruel enough to confess herself. She wants to keep going like this. However...hiding true emotions is not something genuine and this is what Hachiman didn't like. Yui was pressuring Yukino into making a decision on the spot and Hachiman didn't like that. He wants to have a genuine relationship where no one would need to hold back..however..right now...there is nothing genuine about this Trio's relationship. Yui and Yukino are hiding what they feel because they are scared of breaking up this bond that they have formed. But not staying true to yourself is not something genuine either. This is why I'm looking very forward to how the story will move forward. I can't wait. |
Jun 27, 2015 8:19 AM
#11
TyphoonS said: SquirrelKing said: DoctorWasabi said: - Yui is going to start being competitive over Hikki's love with Yukinon - Yui calls everyone out on a "group date" as "one last hurrah" with everyone together as they have been before she starts taking the aggressive approach - Yui wants to win the bet that took place at the beginning of season one where whoever solves the most challenges gets to ask whoever to do whatever - Yui wants to win so she can ask Hikki to go out with her - Yui knows that Yukinon really really wants the trio to stay together, and so Yui asks her if it's okay to do that - Thus, this makes Yui really unfair and deceiving since she knows Yukinon won't be able to say "no" to her - When Yukinon is about to say "yes" (really her only option), Hikki steps in since he notices Yukinon being unable to speak for herself - He doesn't agree that it's okay for a bet to determine what someone can and cannot do - If Yui wins the bet and does with it what she plans to do, Yukinon won't be able to tell Hikki her feelings, so that is why Hikki is against this (since she wouldn't be able to do what she wanted, which is unfair. It's like controlling someone's options in life, which Hikki definitely doesn't agree with) - Yukinon says "this isn't the final anything" since they still have to do Hikki's request. They still need to find something genuine. She wants them to all still stay together regardless of what relationships they may have currently or in the future - Yukinon has a request for the Service Club, but... CLIFFHANGER (she doesn't tell us what the request is) Are you guys kidding me? Most of you have the wrong impression of Yui. If she wanted Hikigaya for himself she would have asked only asked him on a date. Her plan was to be the wingman, she knew Hikigaya would step in and stop her "grand scheme" thats why she was smiling and teared at the end. The proposal was meant to be stopped, if Yukinon agreed, it wouldn't have been what Yui wanted. But it was the best thing she could think of, she would have probably backed out if yukinon confessed or gave her chocolate. Part of why Hikigaya stopped this nonsense was because he knew Yui wasn't being true to herself and that she didn't really want what she was saying. Same with Yukino. In short, Yui pulled a Hachiman. In order for any growth to be possible and problems to be resolved there needs to be conflict. And she was the conflict. She was sacrificing herself. It was evident since episode 12, where she refused hikigaya twice because she knew yukinon liked him. She was giving up her feelings in order to let yukinon and hachiman's relationship grow. She did not give up her feelings at all from what I can see. She gave cookies to Hachiman IN FRONT of Yukino. That is not something that seems like giving up to me. Also..I'm not saying that Yui is bad at all cause from what I can see..she cares a lot about Yukino. That is why she wants to have a fair fight with her. She wants to keep this friendship between them but she also knows that saying her true feelings would ruin the whole Trio thing. I'm pretty sure that Yukino knows that Yui likes Hachi and Yui knows that Yukino likes Hachi. This episode showed that unlike Yukino..Yui is able to show her true feelings. That is probably why Yukino says ''You are amazing'' or something like that after Yui gave her cookies to Hachiman openly. She also knows that Yukino saying her true feelings would break this Trio thing going on. That is why she herself says that she is not as nice as you think. Because Yui does not want Yukino to confess but she is not cruel enough to confess herself. She wants to keep going like this. However...hiding true emotions is not something genuine and this is what Hachiman didn't like. Yui was pressuring Yukino into making a decision on the spot and Hachiman didn't like that. He wants to have a genuine relationship where no one would need to hold back..however..right now...there is nothing genuine about this Trio's relationship. Yui and Yukino are hiding what they feel because they are scared of breaking up this bond that they have formed. But not staying true to yourself is not something genuine either. This is why I'm looking very forward to how the story will move forward. I can't wait. I think yui giving chocolates was to give yukino momentum to give hers too just like in the club room she was like 'what's out hikki' |
Jun 27, 2015 8:51 AM
#12
TyphoonS said: She did not give up her feelings at all from what I can see. She gave cookies to Hachiman IN FRONT of Yukino. That is not something that seems like giving up to me. while saying, "this is just gratitude ----for saving my dog back there, nothing romantic about it----" as much as it was a lie, was i the only one to read that between the lines? (obviously i wasn't the only one, that's just a way to talk) |
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Jun 27, 2015 9:14 AM
#13
https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/3b9vw5/spoilers_yahari_ore_no_seishun_love_comedy_wa/ dont know if i am allowed to post it here but the reddit threads always have very thorough analysis of the episodes that can help if you didn't get parts of an episode |
Jun 27, 2015 1:28 PM
#14
hmm...this might help you to have a better understanding https://geekorner.wordpress.com/2015/06/27/oregairu-season-2-episode-13-finale-a-selfish-sacrifice/ |
Jun 27, 2015 1:59 PM
#15
Thank you OP for posting this. I have followed this entire season really well until the last 5 minutes or so of this episode, and then I was just confused by all that was left unsaid. It turns out, from this comments in this thread, that I basically comprehended everything. The debate over Yui's true intentions has been valuable though, so I'm really glad I saw this thread and was able to form a fuller opinion of the entire thing (I'm going to lean with the idea that she is pushing Hachiman and Yukino together by creating conflict like Hachi did in the beginning). This show is suffering from some major Shoujo syndrome right now though, like no one is communicating their feelings clearly and it is just a lot of drama over unspoken feelings. I love this generally, but not as a finale!!! I just felt like it needed something more... What a cliffhanger ugh. |
Jun 27, 2015 4:57 PM
#16
This show is frustratingly good because the author (and the wonderful job Feel is doing adapating it) makes things as ambiguous as possible. Literally every possibility is potentially true. I am curious about two things, one why did Hachiman accept a "date" with Yui? Second, when Yui was comparing the jellyfish to fireworks and the three were at the window, notice Hachiman's eyes. Who is he looking at? This is the second episode in a row where Hachiman had a memory about something he and Yui did in the past. So on the surface both Yui and Yukino know the other is in love with Hachiman, Yui thinks Hachiman is in love with Yukino, and Yukino is afraid to put herself out. But why? That dependency thing? Is that really the problem with her (and god knows she has a lot of them, what was with the sharks (and why did Yui know to apologize)), but is that the case this time? No, I think what Yukino fears is that Hachiman loves her, but while she likes and greatly respects Hachiman she is not in love with him, in short the cookies were giri not honne chocolate. Why she was afraid to give them to him was because she was afraid he would misunderstand, not as Yui supposed with her just being bashful. There is the strong possibility that Yukino is already in an unrequited love situation (hence her getting sad about the life pair bonding line and why she can't move forward), and would reject Hachiman were he to propose. She knows that if this happens then the three to break up because everyone would feel rejected (Hachiman by Yukino, Yui by Hachiman, and Yukino by the other two), and that is what she is afraid of since they are the first friends she has ever had and the first people she could ever rely on. Hachiman likewise noticed that Yui was about to defer to Yukino, and Hachiman stopped it both because he didn't want that to happen, and because he believes Yukino does like him, or rather is confusing dependence for love (which is why he was so upset when she parroted him when she called her sister). In a nice bit of adapting did anyone notice how when she was looking out the window, to Hachiman it seemed that one of her eyes was staring straight at him? So basically all three of them are misreading the situation, all of them are willing to sacrifice for the others, but there really isn't anything to sacrifice. True? Only Watari knows, but that was what I got after understanding this episode. But I love thinking about all the hints this show has given and trying to figure out how these fit together, only this puzzle can create different designs if you just rearrange the pieces. If this is true then the rest is simple. Yukino loves Hayato, but there is something with her family preventing that from happening (and somehow dogs enter into it). Hayato returns the feelings, but thinks Yukino doesn't. So they are at a standoff, with both thinking the other doesn't like them, and both sacrificing themselves for the other. In other words, the same exact thing as now. History is repeating, and it will be up to Hachiman to prevent that from happening and restore what is right in the universe. |
Jun 27, 2015 6:24 PM
#17
Taisho-san said: How could Yukinon not love Hikki? Because love is not rational. People do not always make the best choice when it comes to love. Now, personally I think that Hachiman and Yukino would make a better pair. I am a firm believer in intellectual compatibility, but that is not a universal viewpoint, and in this case I don't think it is the case. Taisho-san said: Plus, she always gets bashful around him. Nursery scene? Dropping the cookie pan scene? Remember any of that? Yep. But embarrassment could also explain all those scenes. They are all scenes where, in a normal rom-com the two characters WOULD fall in love after just one scene, that there were multiple such scenes I suggest should put us on guard. After all, according to the title, this is not a normal rom-com. That last point is ultimately why I doubt the pairing. It is being TOO emphasized, which makes it too plain. Watari is jerking us. As for the rest of your post, I think all that is true. I just think Hachiman is afraid to deny Yukino because of what Haruno said about rejection and because he thinks she is dependent on him (and because he understands her family life is bad), and he doesn't want to hurt her. But that would be his misunderstanding. He respects her and wants to help her, but that isn't the same as being in love with her. He wants to help her, but he isn't as good at reading people as he thinks he is. His cynical nature, accepting that what Haruno said was true, is what he needs to correct in order to advance. |
Jun 27, 2015 6:45 PM
#18
Dragon0129 said: I kinda understand what they are talking at the end but I kinda don't understand. Can someone else explain to me what they are going on about. TheButteredPotato: I've seen a lot of comments saying how they didn't understand this episode and how it ended, or what even happened at all. So, I'm going to do my best at explaining what (I think, and am mostly sure of) happened: OBVIOUS INFORMATION (some people may actually need this): - Yui loves Hikki - Yukinon loves Hikki - All three of them want to stay friends - If anyone confesses, the trio's relationship will become awkward and everyone will get hurt in the end since they'll most likely lose someone - MY OUTLOOK: Hikki likes Yukinon but also wants to be friends with Yui. NOT CONFIRMED!!! THIS EPISODE: - Yui is going to start being competitive over Hikki's love with Yukinon - Yui calls everyone out on a "group date" as "one last hurrah" with everyone together as they have been before she starts taking the aggressive approach - Yui wants to win the bet that took place at the beginning of season one where whoever solves the most challenges gets to ask whoever to do whatever - Yui wants to win so she can ask Hikki to go out with her - Yui knows that Yukinon really really wants the trio to stay together, and so Yui asks her if it's okay to do that - Thus, this makes Yui really unfair and deceiving since she knows Yukinon won't be able to say "no" to her - When Yukinon is about to say "yes" (really her only option), Hikki steps in since he notices Yukinon being unable to speak for herself - He doesn't agree that it's okay for a bet to determine what someone can and cannot do - If Yui wins the bet and does with it what she plans to do, Yukinon won't be able to tell Hikki her feelings, so that is why Hikki is against this (since she wouldn't be able to do what she wanted, which is unfair. It's like controlling someone's options in life, which Hikki definitely doesn't agree with) - Yukinon says "this isn't the final anything" since they still have to do Hikki's request. They still need to find something genuine. She wants them to all still stay together regardless of what relationships they may have currently or in the future - Yukinon has a request for the Service Club, but... CLIFFHANGER (she doesn't tell us what the request is) |
Jun 27, 2015 8:29 PM
#19
Ahri said: Make out what you will with this, personally I think this is the best way to think about it and to me it sounds pretty spot on to what's currently happening. https://data.archive.moe/board/a/image/1435/39/1435399375898.jpg If there's something that I do disagree with on this post however.. I don't think Yui has given up, after you read her diary then you could see that Hikki means so much more to her than she probably realizes. Conclusion, I really love both of them. I don't want to see either of them get hurt, but I want to see this conclude without an open ending. I can't decide who I want to win. |
Jun 27, 2015 9:23 PM
#20
Takuan_Soho said: I think you have not read the Light novels. Now i will put some of 8man's monologues from certain scenes that were shown in the anime This show is frustratingly good because the author (and the wonderful job Feel is doing adapating it) makes things as ambiguous as possible. Literally every possibility is potentially true. I am curious about two things, one why did Hachiman accept a "date" with Yui? Second, when Yui was comparing the jellyfish to fireworks and the three were at the window, notice Hachiman's eyes. Who is he looking at? This is the second episode in a row where Hachiman had a memory about something he and Yui did in the past. So on the surface both Yui and Yukino know the other is in love with Hachiman, Yui thinks Hachiman is in love with Yukino, and Yukino is afraid to put herself out. But why? That dependency thing? Is that really the problem with her (and god knows she has a lot of them, what was with the sharks (and why did Yui know to apologize)), but is that the case this time? No, I think what Yukino fears is that Hachiman loves her, but while she likes and greatly respects Hachiman she is not in love with him, in short the cookies were giri not honne chocolate. Why she was afraid to give them to him was because she was afraid he would misunderstand, not as Yui supposed with her just being bashful. There is the strong possibility that Yukino is already in an unrequited love situation (hence her getting sad about the life pair bonding line and why she can't move forward), and would reject Hachiman were he to propose. She knows that if this happens then the three to break up because everyone would feel rejected (Hachiman by Yukino, Yui by Hachiman, and Yukino by the other two), and that is what she is afraid of since they are the first friends she has ever had and the first people she could ever rely on. Hachiman likewise noticed that Yui was about to defer to Yukino, and Hachiman stopped it both because he didn't want that to happen, and because he believes Yukino does like him, or rather is confusing dependence for love (which is why he was so upset when she parroted him when she called her sister). In a nice bit of adapting did anyone notice how when she was looking out the window, to Hachiman it seemed that one of her eyes was staring straight at him? So basically all three of them are misreading the situation, all of them are willing to sacrifice for the others, but there really isn't anything to sacrifice. True? Only Watari knows, but that was what I got after understanding this episode. But I love thinking about all the hints this show has given and trying to figure out how these fit together, only this puzzle can create different designs if you just rearrange the pieces. If this is true then the rest is simple. Yukino loves Hayato, but there is something with her family preventing that from happening (and somehow dogs enter into it). Hayato returns the feelings, but thinks Yukino doesn't. So they are at a standoff, with both thinking the other doesn't like them, and both sacrificing themselves for the other. In other words, the same exact thing as now. History is repeating, and it will be up to Hachiman to prevent that from happening and restore what is right in the universe. Rollercoster scene “Do you know any of the other guys’ contact info?” I figured I’d ask Yukinoshita just in case, but she shook her head. Of course… I tried calling several more times as we reluctantly stayed in line and with the line moving forward, we could already see the lower level. Once we went down that curb, we would be at the boarding area. “Since we’re this far in, it’d be faster to just get on the ride instead of going back. They might be waiting at the exit too.” “…I-I suppose so.” Yukinoshita answered with a voice that was somehow not calm. When I took a glance at her, she was quietly facing downwards. “…What’s wrong?” “…” Yukinoshita didn’t answer even after I asked her. …Wait. Now just wait a second. Waaait, waaait. I get the feeling I’ve come across this kind of scene several times before… I grew a little worried so I asked Yukinoshita after a cough. “Do you mind if I check something with you?” “What could that be?” Yukinoshita looked at me with a tense expression. I stared back at her eyes as well and I asked her slowly and carefully as to avoid missing her reaction. “Could it be that you’re not good with this?” It was silent for just a moment as we glared at each other expressionlessly. And there, Yukinoshita’s gaze smoothly slid to the side. “…It’s not that I’m not very good at this.” Yeah, I remember hearing that same phrase somewhere before… It was the same phrase she used when I told her she wasn’t good with dogs. Aah, I knew it was totally something like that. It’s totally the usual Yukinoshita pattern that I knew. Thinking back on it, I do recall her staggering on her feet after getting off SpaMt. It wasn’t an issue with the crowding. It was simply just an issue with her not being good with coasters. “You really need to say that ahead of time… Let’s go back.” “I’m fine.” “Well, you’re not really good with this though, right?” When I told her, Yukinoshita grew sullen and frowned. She then spoke with a strong tone. “I said I was fine, didn’t I?” “Don’t be an idiot. It’s not something you need to force yourself with, let alone something to be stubborn about.” That’s why my words ended up sounding harsher than normal. After that, Yukinoshita’s shoulders shook and she dropped her gaze. “…That’s not it. I’m fine, really.” It felt like the voice she spoke with sounded more immature than usual. No, it was because she normally appeared mature, but the fact of the matter was that she was a girl who was the same age as me. Yukinoshita continued her crude words clumsily. “I wasn’t too confident, but when Yuigahama-san was with me, I was fine… That’s why, probably, I’ll be fine.” What Yukinoshita was saying wasn’t really a reason that was straight to the point and well-grounded. Compared to how she would speak logically normally, she wasn’t really saying anything that was relevant. However, it’s because of this irrationality that I thought it was close to how she really felt. If so, then that's something I had to respect. “Well, if you say so…” Even after saying that, Yukinoshita didn’t lift her head. Despite being no good at it, she totally didn’t look like she’d be fine riding this… I scratched my head looking for the words I needed to say. “Well, it’s basically that. You should just take it easy and ride it. It’s not like it’s something we’ll die from or anything.” “I-I suppose you’re right.” With her face still downwards, Yukinoshita spoke and glanced upwards at me with upturned eyes. “…We really won’t die, right?” Just how anxious were you…? “Don’t worry. At least not from what I’ve heard.” As I said that, the line continued forward and Yukinoshita trudged along. When we made it down the last curve, we arrived at the boarding area. It was then our turn to get on the ride. First, I boarded the ride first. And next was Yukinoshita who clenched her fist and got on. She was using so much strength that her arms were slightly shaking. Even when the ride slowly started off, Yukinoshita didn’t relax her posture. Eventually, a fancy song played as this attraction’s tale of Br’er Weasal and Br’er Ferret[2] unfolded. The weasel robot would make mechanically clattering noises as it blinked. But Yukinoshita looked like she didn’t have the luxury of paying attention as her gaze was focused on looking forward. “Um… We’re not going to drop yet, so you’ll be fine even if you don’t hold the bar.” “Y-Yes. I, guess so…” Yukinoshita finally let go of the bar. And she then let out an exhausted sigh. “You’re really not good at this, huh…?” While I did ask her, I didn’t think she was this bad at it. When I told her, Yukinoshita had a self-deprecating smile. “Yes. Long ago, there was, something with nee-san…” “Hm? Aah, your sister, huh?” That person again… Yukinoshita Haruno. She was Yukinoshita’s older sister who was a perfect, super human demon that surpassed her little sister. Then again, you know, Yukinoshita-san, you didn’t seem so absolutely perfect recently… I mean, you’re still by far above the rest in excellence though. It looked like Yukinoshita was able to calm down after talking as she looked at the attraction. And there, the frogs would frolic around with spurts of water. Yukinoshita slowly spoke as if she was matching with the slow progression of the ride. “It was something back when I was younger. Every time we came to places like this, nee-san would always act so meddlesome.” “I can kind of imagine that…” Haruno-san was already active since then and even now she would meddle with her little sister. Since this was back when they were kids, it was no doubt that it was on the level close to bullying when she played around with Yukinoshita. When I said that, Yukinoshita chuckled. This was probably the first smile she had shown after getting on this ride. “Yes. She would shake the Ferris wheel, take my hands off the bar on the coasters, and she would do a lot of other things while going ‘now, now’. There was also the time when she would keep the coffee cup spinning even when I stopped it… Nee-san looked like she was having lots of fun that time too…” Yukinoshita’s expression would gradually grow dull as she spoke. Just listening made even me feel disheartened too. Wasn’t Haruno-san pretty much the main reason why Yukinoshita was bad at the things she was? “Nee-san’s always like that…” Yukinoshita said briefly. The ride advanced through the dark, dark course. The vulture robot spoke ominous words. When I looked up past that vulture, the ceiling was just about to open its mouth and the night sky was peering through. The ride ascended along with the clattering noise. We were almost at the peak. Yukinoshita stiffened her body. From there, just when we thought the ride was going to plunge downwards, it stopped suddenly. The ride straightened itself horizontally. When it did, we could see the outside of Destinyland. The sea’s active volcano attraction was illuminated brightly red with rising smoke and the group of hotels was gorgeously illuminated with Christmas-oriented lights. In the distance was the visible night view of the new city center. Most of all, the many lights twinkled like the entire starry sky and the night scenery of Destinyland expanded under our eyes. Yukinoshita looked at that and let out a short sigh. “Hey, Hikigaya-kun.” “Hm?” What locked my turned gaze in place was the white and bluish illuminated White Wall Castle. And also, garbed in her coat of pure white, smiling with a face that looked like she was about to burst into tears, Yukinoshita. When I looked at that priceless, yet transient figure, I lost my breath. Yukinoshita let go of the bar and grasped my cuffs. In that instant when our skins touched, it felt like it had taken a hold of my heart. Before long, a pleasant floating sensation that seemed like I would continue to fall forever visited me. “Someday, help me, okay?” Her whispering voice disappeared along with the descending wind and I was unable to reply back to her. I think that might have been the very first wish that Yukinoshita Yukino had uttered. This scene as well as the expression on 8man's face tells that this had a big impact on him after her request. Now the train scene in volume 10 The train shook when it took off from the station. I stumbled forward from the motion and frantically grasped the straphanger. When I did, I could feel a grabbing sensation at the end of my coat. I made a quick glance and a white, small hand was squeezing the hem. Because of that, I put strength into my straphanger holding hand and into my staggering legs. The vibrations of the train running, the wind tapping against the window, and the noise of the passengers filled the interior. Even so, as the train shook, the sound of faint breathing coming from my right reached my ears. …Well, it’s crowded, and it’s shaking. It’s not a big deal. We didn’t hold a conversation in particular despite being considerably close together, and my eyes naturally drifted to the advertisements and notices above the windows. Amongst them, there was a route map. A sudden doubt came to mind when I looked at it. “Oh right, are you okay with going this way?” I asked. Yukinoshita had a blank look and tilted her head. “My home should be on the way there, so I believe this way should be fine…”Oregairu_v10_053 She placed her hand on her chin while speaking and checked the route map as well. Not very confident, huh? Well, “way” was kind of a vague term… “No, I just thought since it’s the New Year and all, I was wondering what was going on with your family or something.” “Ahh, so that’s what you meant… I’m not going home this year. I don’t have any business there in particular, and it’s quite bothersome, so…” “I see.” I didn’t know the exact details of Yukinoshita’s relationship with her family. I replied back, unsure of just how far of a step I could take and ask her about it. As if the anxiety was shown on my face, Yukinoshita smiled suddenly. “It’s not that big of a deal. They have a lot to deal with during the New Year, too. If I went home, it wouldn’t be a very pleasant feeling for the both of us, so I’m just avoiding any unnecessary contact.” “Also,” said Yukinoshita, continuing. “There isn’t that much of a big difference even if I was there.” She looked out the window, looking at the scenery that rapidly ran past us. “No problem then, right?” “Eh?” Her turned expression had a slight look of surprise to it. “If it doesn’t matter if you’re there, then that makes it easier on you. You also don’t have to worry about being a bother to anyone. After all, in this world, there are people who ruin the mood just by being there.” “Are you perhaps introducing yourself?” Yukinoshita chuckled, showing a teasing smile. “Right, right. That’s why, to this day, I’ve been keeping to myself as much as possible. Things stay peaceful because of my amazing consideration, so I’d like some appreciation here.” “Consideration isn’t something that asks for a reward, you know.” That makes sense. Tch, now it’s stuck in my head. Consideration, does not, ask for a reward. But while there may not be a reward for being considerate, there was backlash though, huh? Talk about seriously unfair. Eventually, the train stopped. It was the station for me to get off at. Yukinoshita was probably getting off at the next station and then onto the bus. “Oh, this is my stop.” “Yes.” We had a brief exchange and I got off onto the platform. “See you.” I turned around looking to tell her “be careful on your way back” and it was that instant before the door closed. Facing downwards, Yukinoshita said with a quiet voice as if whispering, “…I’ll be in your care this year as well.” Now another service club scene in volume 10 The sound of a teacup being placed reverberated in the quiet room and Yukinoshita slowly opened her mouth. “Um…” “Hm?” “I’m sorry for the other day when it seemed like my mother sent you away… I believe I could’ve have spoken up about it a little better.” When she finished, she gazed at the surface of the tea in her cup and sucked in her lips. Yuigahama gently rubbed Yukinoshita’s shoulders. “No worries at all. Besides, it’s not like we can just intrude on a family get-together. Right, Hikki?” “Yeah. It’s not something you need to beat yourself over.” “…Thank you.” Yukinoshita expressed a gentle smile, faintly tinged with anxiety, and slightly bowed her head to Yuigahama and me. Everything about her conduct was beautiful. Her elongated back, her hands gently joined together on her lap, her thin and supple fingertips, her long eyelashes that lined along her closed eyelids. As I watched all of that in fixation, Yukinoshita lifted her face and our eyes met. We both frantically turned our faces away from each other. “Sh-Shall we call it a day now? I’ll clean up the tea.” As if finding it a little awkward, Yukinoshita stood up in a hurry and began cleaning. She placed the teapot and cups on a tray, likely planning to clean them outside. “I-I’ll go clean them too!” “That’s fine, so wait for a moment.” Now the Infirmary scene where you think that it's nothing but normal blush I knocked on the door of the infirmary. “Come in.” I was answered with a familiar sounding voice. This voice is… As I thought, I opened the door and as I had anticipated, the one ahead was Yukinoshita. Still wearing her track uniform and sitting in a chair, she looked at me blankly. “Hikigaya-kun…? I thought for sure you were Yuigahama-san.” “If you’re looking for Yuigahama, she’s still at the park. Then again, what are you doing here?” “I took a short rest and they forced me to drop out…” said Yukinoshita, gritting her teeth. Apparently she was booted out of the marathon while in the middle of a break. After seeing her frustration, it looked like she was actually intending to finish it, huh…? “Hikigaya-kun…” She glanced at my leg and her eyes narrowed in pain. “You were hurt?” “Yeah, just a little.” I couldn’t possibly tell her my legs collided into each other. I mean, it’s lame. Plus, you know, it’d be as if I was like the victim of domestic violence or something. Something like, “That’s not it! This just happened because I fell over!” I couldn’t have people be needlessly concerned that I was involved in domestic violence, either. “You could have gotten treated at the goal. The nurse should have gone over there.” “No one was there when I finished…” I answered. Yukinoshita placed her hand to her chin in contemplation of something. “I see. You have awful timing, or maybe awful luck, or awful eyes, or perhaps–” “My personality, my attitude, everything about me is awful. Anyway, we can use these disinfectants and stuff, right?” I asked her while rummaging through the unlocked medicine cabinet. Yukinoshita sighed. “…You seem awfully clumsy as well.” She stood up, motioned me away from the medicine cabinet with just her hands. She took the disinfectant and bandage and pointed at the seat in front of her. “Sit over there.” “Uh, I can treat myself.” “Just sit down.” While unsatisfied, I took a seat as I was told for now. When I did, Yukinoshita sat in the seat she was in earlier and moved to the front of me. She placed her hand on my leg and began sterilizing the open wound. There was the sharp smell of antiseptic solution. Then, slightly stooping over, Yukinoshita’s head came closer along with the gentle fragrance of SABON. For every dab of the piece of cotton damped with disinfectant on my open wound, a sweet, itchy pain pulsated. I wasn’t particularly accustomed to this kind of medical treatment. Because she timidly touched at my wound, I occasionally felt a sting in my injury from the disinfectant. “Hey, um, i-it stings, you know…” “Of course it does, I’m disinfecting the wound. It’s only natural that it’s effective on you, Hikigaya-kun.” “Uh huh, let’s stop treating people like bacteria, okay?” “It’s proof that it’s working. Bear with it.” Look here, the good medicine tastes bitter theory, was it? You can’t expect me to believe that. If being bitter was enough, wouldn’t that mean my life is the best thing ever? Although I brought it up, Yukinoshita’s touch grew softer, seemingly being somewhat considerate of me, and her hand treatment became careful. This time it felt so ticklish that I had to restrain my body from leaping. Until she finished disinfecting the area where the abrasion of my injury was, we were both quiet. I gradually grew used to the prickling pain and my stiff body started to relax. Yukinoshita spun the bandage once, then twice, and slowly opened her mouth. “It seems you ran with Hayama-kun… Did you hear anything from him?” “Yeah… At the very least, it’s not the sciences, probably,” I answered oddly, unable to think of any other way to phrase it. Yukinoshita chuckled. “That’s a strange way to put it… All done.” Yukinoshita breathed out in satisfaction and lifted her face. When she did, Yukinoshita’s face, which had been stooping over, became so close to mine to the point we were almost touching. “……” Both of us were locked stiff in that position. Her exposed skin that was as white as a blanket of snow. Her wet, damp black pupils. Her long eyelashes that momentarily shook with a blink. The finely shaped bridge of her nose. The smiling shape of her mouth along with the escaping of breaths. When Yukinoshita’s thin shoulders quivered, her long, glossy hair flowed. I frantically looked up at the ceiling, fell backwards with my body, and made some distance. Somewhere in that moment, I felt a sting from my injury. “…Ahh, thanks for this.” “…Not at all. It’s no big deal.” After I expressed my gratitude in a way to smooth things over, Yukinoshita adjusted her sitting and turned her face away. At that point, the infirmary was submerged in silence. With nothing to do, I looked at the bandage that she wrapped for me earlier. Upon looking, the knot of the bandage was tied in the shape of a small ribbon… So by “all done”, she meant this, huh? Don’t they have those metal clippings to fasten the bandages? Use those. What’s with this ribbon…? It sure is cute. As I looked at the ribbon, I slipped out a smile. I started to feel somewhat better. I pulled my chair, took a shallow seat, and stretched my back. Yukinoshita tilted her head finding my posture to be strange. Right now, I felt I wanted to ask her. “…Hey. Can I ask you what you’re doing for your career?” I asked. Yukinoshita let out a breath as if in bewilderment. Her hand which she placed on her chin to think was brought down to her chest and stopped. “I’m enrolled in International Liberal Arts course, so it shouldn’t matter whether I choose one or the other…” “…You’re right. I just wanted to try asking. Don’t worry about it.” It was an answer I had somewhat expected, but even so, I was satisfied, though it might’ve been self-satisfaction instead. I stated with the intention of glossing it over, but Yukinoshita placed her idle hands on her lap and looked at me with a slightly downcast expression. “This is the first time you’ve asked me something like that, isn’t it?” “Really?” I knew that, but I pretended not to. For all this time, there were plenty of opportunities to ask personal things like that, but I had drawn a line that I swore not to step over. It’s because I thought I wouldn’t be forgiven if I did. Yukinoshita coughed as if having a difficult time speaking and looked into my eyes at an oblique angle in examination. “…For now, I decided on liberal arts.” “I see.” “Yes. That’s why… we’re still together for the time being,” said Yukinoshita, smiling. It was a smile as though she was a little girl on the day before an outing. “Well, as far as liberal arts are concerned.” I chose the liberal arts and there’s no doubt Yuigahama did as well. Just how much meaning that division had, I didn’t know. Ultimately, we’d eventually embark to different places and to different worlds. In the same way a group of three when younger couldn’t stay together forever. As time continued on, the way things ought to be would undoubtedly change. What didn’t change were the truths of the past. That may tie in with responsibility, but it could also be something that could keep things in place. As long that one step over the line left a footprint, then that’s fine. “Alright, I’ll be heading back to class now.” “Sure. See you later.” 8man has never thought of Yui like this in the whole series. This moment also tells a lot as he was pretty much describing her every feature while staring at her. This is not a normal blush. I don't know why you are saying that Hachiman feels nothing towards Yukino as all the above scenes prove that he wants to know more about her and is attracted to her. Hachiman accepted Yui's date because he had promised her which is again mentioned in volume 9 and episode 9 as well. I don't know why you think that 8man has feelings for her just because he decided to keep their promise. He can be thinking that it's something he has to fulfill their promise nothing shows that he has romantic feelings for her.Also of course he will remember the fireworks scene. He had watched the fireworks scene with her like 4 to 5 months ago. Just because you remember some scene with someone doesn't mean that you are in love with them. He also remembered the pan-san scene with Yukino as well in their conversation with Yukino after the rollercoster scene. If she fears that 8man loves her and she doesn't have feelings for him then why would she want to give him chocolates after already giving him cookies? also why would she get flustered if she has no feelings for him. Also why would she back off from giving him the chocolates and feel sad for not being able to give them twice? If she has no feelings for him it would be an easy task for her. It's very obvious that she was in panic on how to give it to him and hence was worried when Yui decided to leave. With the mess Yukino is right now why would she want to give chocolates to someone who she doesn't even love ? Please give me some proof that Yukino has unrequited love for Hayato. From volume 1-4 it's proves that she really hates hayato ,even 8man realises that. It proves that something happened between them and Hayato hurt her in the past. Her thanking him for being considerate of her proves that she is actually over him and is moving forward. If she has no feelings for 8man then would she get worried whrn haruno mentioned that Yukino gave Hayato chocolates/cookies in the past and look at 8man's reaction? By your logic she should feel happy that Haruno is helping her in making Hayato remember the past event. Also by the end of Volume 11 8man is aware of Yukino's dependancy issues. But he also knows that she can face her problems all she needs is some encouragement. 8man even says that Yukino is a strong girl. You are saying that Yukino left them alone in the penguine scene because she has feelings for Hayato? It rather seems that she know that she is a mess right now and is a third wheel on their date. Also she might be thinking that she doesn't deserve 8man as by that point it's pretty obvious that she knows that Yui has feelings for 8man. Also even though she left the two alone 8man still went to her. If he loves Yui then why did he go after Yukino she even said that she will be inside. By your logic their would be no reason for him to go after Yukino. Also the most important point why was Yukino so sad when Yui asked her to agree with her. It's obvious that she was at her breaking point. If she has no feelings for 8man she would have said to Yui to go after 8man. Considering the mess she is right now it would have easy for her to avoid any unnecessary love traingle. Also if she loves Hayato then why would she get mad at him for calling her by first name? Throughout the series(i am talking about LN) 8man has shown growing interest in Yukino and feels attracted to her. He wants to know more about her. Yukino's actions by no means show her being in love with hayato but rather her getting over him and their issue. I think your imagination is going wild as the hints in LN proves something else. |
Jun 28, 2015 12:27 PM
#21
So the show ended and I still haven't figured out what's up with the idiotic vague dialogues. |
Jun 28, 2015 12:35 PM
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smegmarta said: So the show ended and I still haven't figured out what's up with the idiotic vague dialogues. HAHAHAHA okay Try to solve it by yourself its more fun in that way, I'll just give you something Clues Yui Love Hikki Yukino Love Hikki Yui want to date Hikki and Maintain the friendship Yui maked a moved first Because if she didnt, who will? |
Jun 28, 2015 3:49 PM
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CutePriest said: 8man has never thought of Yui like this in the whole series. I had been in the Yukino camp up until this episode, but there was a flashback around the 3:35 mark of last episode that started me thinking that Watari is fooling us by downplaying Yui too much previously, the flashback this episode (remembering the fireworks) and the final scene is what pushed me into the Yui camp. So the above scenes from the novels I know very well, and yes they suggest that Yukino and Hachiman have been slowly falling in love with the other, but where is the "Screw Up" in that? If Yukino is the end goal, then this will have been a pretty normal rom com: two people meet, they initially don't like each other, but slowly over time their feelings change. Don't you think Watari is better than that? His title promised us more. So I wouldn't say my theory above is based on imagination as much as it is based on suspicion. |
Jun 28, 2015 4:14 PM
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Takuan_Soho said: If that's what the author is doing, then Iroha should be the end girl xDDCutePriest said: 8man has never thought of Yui like this in the whole series. I had been in the Yukino camp up until this episode, but there was a flashback around the 3:35 mark of last episode that started me thinking that Watari is fooling us by downplaying Yui too much previously, the flashback this episode (remembering the fireworks) and the final scene is what pushed me into the Yui camp. So the above scenes from the novels I know very well, and yes they suggest that Yukino and Hachiman have been slowly falling in love with the other, but where is the "Screw Up" in that? If Yukino is the end goal, then this will have been a pretty normal rom com: two people meet, they initially don't like each other, but slowly over time their feelings change. Don't you think Watari is better than that? His title promised us more. So I wouldn't say my theory above is based on imagination as much as it is based on suspicion. Anime Haganai spoiler: God this reminds me of Haganai so much but this time the guy did not escape the awkward situation. Fucking Kodaka xDD |
Jun 28, 2015 5:01 PM
#25
I think EVERYone has their own thoughts on this episode but for me the explanation given on the reddit forum (Link below) matchedthe most with the summary of this Final Episode. http://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/3b9vw5/spoilers_yahari_ore_no_seishun_love_comedy_wa/csk8897 |
Jun 28, 2015 5:17 PM
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DenjaX said: If that's what the author is doing, then Iroha should be the end girl xDD Nah, that wouldn't be suspicious. It would be a relatively cute (and safe) way to take this story since she has been becoming more endearing. DenjaX said: Anime Haganai spoiler: God this reminds me of Haganai so much but this time the guy did not escape the awkward situation. Fucking Kodaka xDD Don't know if you know I am a huge Haganai fan and they have announced that the next volume will be out in August (finally) But on that - some vague statements about the series and vol 10, but no real spoilers: I think I am the only person who loved the ending of the last novel. I did not expect it, but on reading it I realized that it was the absolutely right decision, so stunning that once I got it I was in awe at how brilliant the writer was there because I had noticed that this back with the Homoge episode and still didn't put the pieces together. Reverse all the genders of the characters, don't change how the act, but think of what their personalities would be if they were the opposite gender based on how they act. Once you think of that how it ended really is the only natural ending - this one has a vol 10 spoiler Kodaka got NTR'ed by Yukimura So, in a way I agree, I do think it is similar to Haganai, which is why I want my completely unexpected ending. |
Jun 28, 2015 5:26 PM
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liveanime said: I think EVERYone has their own thoughts on this episode but for me the explanation given on the reddit forum (Link below) matchedthe most with the summary of this Final Episode. http://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/3b9vw5/spoilers_yahari_ore_no_seishun_love_comedy_wa/csk8897 Yeah, i have seen this link before, the O. post and some of the replies are a very good read. Although they missed something, when Yukinon left Hikki and Yui alone, then after that Hikki follows Yukinon.. This is not because of his "feelings" for Yukinon, but this is because Yui sends Hikki after Yukinon. (Well according to an LN reader anyway... Not yet confirmed. We need to see the translation on that part.) And again, showing interest in someone does not necessarily mean a romantic one. |
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Jun 28, 2015 5:41 PM
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NeedHelp56 said: There's one idea I really can't wrap my head around, and that's the assumption (?) that Hachiman already knows about how Yui feels about him, or even how he knows about Yukinon's feelings. Idk if this was LN mentioned or off-scene somewhere that I may have missed, but honestly, I thought Hachiman didn't think these girls liked him in a romantic way. Sure, he likes Yukinon, but I never saw an indicator that told him that the girls felt the same way about him, especially when they call him gross or trash. I mean, throughout the whole scene, I thought Hachiman ended up stopping Yui because he saw that Yukinon was being forced into a decision that was not her own with Hachiman not having any knowledge of the situation. I thought Hachiman was just standing up for Yukinon without any info, which I could see him doing. This was my outlook if I go by the assumption that Hachiman had NO idea that the girls liked him. hachiman knew the feelings of the two. hachiman didnt think that yui and yukino has a romantic feeling for him, he acted innocent and nice to both yui and yukino knowing that it is the right thing to do. he is not used to it. but haruno pointed it out to him it was not trust but something cruel/sinister. |
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Jun 28, 2015 6:23 PM
#29
Hachiman's issue is insecurity. Some of the scenes from the anime and light novel seem to suggest that he is actually very good at reading timings about these feelings, but since he never has friends (especially female ones) and does not take rejections well from past experiences, he is afraid of misreading something. Examples of this include interrupting Yui when she has an incoming call after the fireworks and also cutting off Yukino before she responds at the very last scene. So Hachiman perhaps knows that those two now have feelings between friendship for him; however, since he has previously regarded them differently (Yui = nice, Yukino = strong), his insecurity for avoiding potential changes in their relationships prevails in a lot of decision making. Now that he is reevaluating his character assessments for the two girls, perhaps things will take a different approach. |
Jun 28, 2015 8:39 PM
#30
Takuan_Soho said: As i said he remembered that scene , it's obvious that he will remember that in volume 9 Yui says "it feels nostalgic" to make him remember. Also the final scene makes him realise that Yui really has feelings for him as he realises that those cookies are not just for gratitide. Also actually Yui will be a normal rom-com end , her whole character revolves around the romance subplot. He saves her dog , she falls for him due to his heroic act , tries to win him and succeds. Watari can give a Yukino end without making it stereotypical, i have faith in his writing. Even Iroha has chance of winning. In volume 11 in case of positive character development Watari has taken Yui to the top of the Mountain while he has thrown Yukino at the bottom of an abyss. Making a Yukino end while giving her a positive push up with believable development in one volume(considering vol 12 is the last one) is actually the biggest challenge Watari can face. CutePriest said: 8man has never thought of Yui like this in the whole series. I had been in the Yukino camp up until this episode, but there was a flashback around the 3:35 mark of last episode that started me thinking that Watari is fooling us by downplaying Yui too much previously, the flashback this episode (remembering the fireworks) and the final scene is what pushed me into the Yui camp. So the above scenes from the novels I know very well, and yes they suggest that Yukino and Hachiman have been slowly falling in love with the other, but where is the "Screw Up" in that? If Yukino is the end goal, then this will have been a pretty normal rom com: two people meet, they initially don't like each other, but slowly over time their feelings change. Don't you think Watari is better than that? His title promised us more. So I wouldn't say my theory above is based on imagination as much as it is based on suspicion. Also Yui ending will feel plain the conflict between Yui and 8man resolved very quickly and easily and Yukino played a big part in resolving that by"You can start a new". On the other hand the conflict between 8man and Yukino plays a big part in developing both of them. They came to know their flaws and realised that they were wrong about each other and stopped predicting each other. Rejection is important for Yui's character development. Out of the trio Yui had the most stable and happy life. 8man and Yukino have experienced rejection from people and society while Yui has experienced none. Also i honestly can't guess what Yukino's request will be. She has recovered a bit after 8man's speech so it's even more hard to exactly predict her request. Also with the story progress i bet the last volume will be focused mainly on Yukino (even more than 8man i think) Watari can do anything he want. From an objective point of view i will say 8man feels something for both of them but it's still not confirmed for whom he has romantic feelings. I will say anybody from thr main 3 girls has chance to win the 8bowl. |
CutePriestJun 29, 2015 3:50 AM
Jun 29, 2015 10:34 AM
#31
is yukinon's request in the light novel since its still ongoing? or is this where the light novel is currently at? |
Jun 29, 2015 11:02 AM
#32
they stopped at the exact same point as the novels so its gonna take around half a year till the story continues sadly |
Jun 29, 2015 1:20 PM
#33
Jun 29, 2015 3:41 PM
#34
Zymf said: It's so damn confusing! Why did they have to make all the conversations between the 3 main characters so non-informative yet complicated??? I'm not sure if I should give this second season a 4 or even lower -.- http://i.imgur.com/dwhueAG.jpg |
Jun 29, 2015 5:23 PM
#35
well its same as other romance/drama/comedy animes 2 girls love same guy,the guy knows the feelings but doesnt take action.And all 3 of them are scared it will ruin their friendship. Its just in this anime the chars have unrealistic conversations that dont really make sense^^.Its like the genuine stuff they always talk about is an excuse for not speaking their minds. Hope season 3 wont be about ''searching for the genuine'' and we will actually see some realistic development. |
Jun 29, 2015 6:00 PM
#36
CutePriest said: Rejection is important for Yui's character development. Out of the trio Yui had the most stable and happy life. 8man and Yukino have experienced rejection from people and society while Yui has experienced none. I don't agree. She's already been through enough heartbreak. For example, at the end of episode 5 (season 1) when Hachiman thinks she's being nice out of guilt because he saved her dog, he basically cuts ties with her and causes her to run off crying. Also, in episode 2, when Hachiman fake confesses to Ebina, Yui initially thinks he's serious about it and that obviously hurt her a lot. And she's been waiting for Hachiman when he's ready for the promise date, and when he's finally ready to ask, Yui has to now consider Yukino's feelings. Normally she would have accepted in a heartbeat. |
ShrewOneJun 29, 2015 6:04 PM
Jun 29, 2015 7:30 PM
#37
ShrewOne said: At the cultural festival he just avoided her confession and did not actally reject her. The ebnina confession was nothing but an act even Yui understands that she was just shocked. It was not a rejection either. Rejection is when someone listens to your confession and then says sorry as they cant return their feelings. Nothing like this has happened to Yui while both 8man and Yukino(with a lot of hints from the novel ) have gone through it.CutePriest said: Rejection is important for Yui's character development. Out of the trio Yui had the most stable and happy life. 8man and Yukino have experienced rejection from people and society while Yui has experienced none. I don't agree. She's already been through enough heartbreak. For example, at the end of episode 5 (season 1) when Hachiman thinks she's being nice out of guilt because he saved her dog, he basically cuts ties with her and causes her to run off crying. Also, in episode 2, when Hachiman fake confesses to Ebina, Yui initially thinks he's serious about it and that obviously hurt her a lot. And she's been waiting for Hachiman when he's ready for the promise date, and when he's finally ready to ask, Yui has to now consider Yukino's feelings. Normally she would have accepted in a heartbeat. |
Jun 29, 2015 7:56 PM
#38
CutePriest said: The ebnina confession was nothing but an act even Yui understands that she was just shocked. It was not a rejection either. Rejection is when someone listens to your confession and then says sorry as they cant return their feelings. Nothing like this has happened to Yui while both 8man and Yukino(with a lot of hints from the novel ) have gone through it. You really don't think that Hachiman understands Yui's feeling? Because if he does, then every time he has avoided dealing with it has been a rejection to her. And despite what you think, he obviously does get it. The only real question is why he pretends not to (is it because he loves Yukino, or is it because he is similar to Ebina). That is one of the two questions remaining with this series. |
Jun 29, 2015 8:03 PM
#39
Takuon_Soho said: he is similar to Ebina This one. He wants to maintain his status quo with Service Club, but it doesn't mean they have to hide their feelings. |
Jun 29, 2015 8:37 PM
#40
Takuan_Soho said: CutePriest said: The ebnina confession was nothing but an act even Yui understands that she was just shocked. It was not a rejection either. Rejection is when someone listens to your confession and then says sorry as they cant return their feelings. Nothing like this has happened to Yui while both 8man and Yukino(with a lot of hints from the novel ) have gone through it. You really don't think that Hachiman understands Yui's feeling? Because if he does, then every time he has avoided dealing with it has been a rejection to her. And despite what you think, he obviously does get it. The only real question is why he pretends not to (is it because he loves Yukino, or is it because he is similar to Ebina). That is one of the two questions remaining with this series. When did i say 8man is unaware of Yui's feelings? He was aware of them since volume 5 and knows that she wants him romantically by the end of volume 11. Are you saying that him not always thinking about that means rejecting her romantically? We all know 8man is bad at handling girls , also i really want to were this "going out together" promise came into the picture at the end of volume 4. Avoiding and rejecting may sound similar but still their meaning is vastly different. Also we still don't know what 8man thinks of Yukino, he only gets Yui's feelings by the end of volume 11. |
Jun 29, 2015 8:43 PM
#41
_Charl said: He wants to maintain his status quo with Service Club, but it doesn't mean they have to hide their feelings. In a way, yes they do. As long as Tobe's feelings towards Ebina were implied, then everyone could ignore it and continue to be friends. Once everything is explicitly stated then people can't pretend that they didn't know. The reality of what everyone knew wasn't what changed, the entire group knew the situation, what they were afraid of is once the implied became real, then they would have to respond. Truth, or "genuineness", is not always the best thing for human relations. Life would be so much easier if it was, but unfortunately it isn't. The great, and tragic, thing about Hachiman is not that he brings truth, but rather that he allows the white lies to continue to exist. This last episode showed this. |
Jun 29, 2015 8:48 PM
#42
CutePriest said: Are you saying that him not always thinking about that means rejecting her romantically? Yes that is what I am saying. If he knows and is not interested he should be a man and reject her rather than string her along. So either he doesn't know, or he doesn't want to reject her. To not reject her because of "friendship" is anti-Hachiman, so this means that there is another reason why he either doesn't reject her, or more to the point, why he can't accept her feelings yet. |
Jun 29, 2015 8:57 PM
#43
Takuan_Soho said: Hachiman was a loner and was rejected before in middle school for carelessly thinking that the other girl likes him just because she was talking to him. At that time he had enough reasons to think that was the case for Yui as well.CutePriest said: Are you saying that him not always thinking about that means rejecting her romantically? Yes that is what I am saying. If he knows and is not interested he should be a man and reject her rather than string her along. So either he doesn't know, or he doesn't want to reject her. To not reject her because of "friendship" is anti-Hachiman, so this means that there is another reason why he either doesn't reject her, or more to the point, why he can't accept her feelings yet. We still don't know the reason why 8man asked Yui if she was free? He might have been thinking of clearing things up once and for all, that's why i am waiting for volume 11 translation. Also if you know please tell me where this "you have to make us hanging out together come true" promice comes into picture by the end of volume 4? He had never promised something like that to Yui by that point. |
CutePriestJun 29, 2015 9:02 PM
Jun 29, 2015 9:04 PM
#44
What I said before, wasn't just romantic feelings. You can consider 'dependancy on friends' as friendship feelings. You can't live without other helps, eventually 8man realizes that and change his method from 'loner social suicide' to 'stand together to fix problems'. For Yukino's case, she wants to express her feelings, asking for help whenever she can't do something alone and etc. For Yui's case, I'm not sure, but probably something like Hayama, she wants to do what she wants and doesn't want to do what people expected from her. Takuan_Soho said: thing about Hachiman is not that he brings truth, but rather that he allows the white lies to continue to exist. Human's feelings are complicated, you can't predict what would happen just like Hiratsuka said. That's why 8man doesn't want to take risks to tell the truths, because theres still a chance that he confuse love with 'care' feelings. |
Jun 29, 2015 10:10 PM
#45
CutePriest said: At the cultural festival he just avoided her confession and did not actally reject her. The ebnina confession was nothing but an act even Yui understands that she was just shocked. It was not a rejection either. Rejection is when someone listens to your confession and then says sorry as they cant return their feelings. Nothing like this has happened to Yui while both 8man and Yukino(with a lot of hints from the novel ) have gone through it. Yeah, it's not exactly like the rejection you mentioned, but it is a rejection in a way. Actually, it could be worse because if it's a love rejection, you don't necessarily have to be on bad terms with that person, like Iroha and Hayama. Yui obviously wanted to get close to Hachiman and he basically rejected that offer by cutting ties with her. Keep in mind, Yui had no idea if she would ever talk to Hachiman again after that. It was a whole week before they even started talking again. In the end, it hurt her a lot. |
Jun 29, 2015 10:31 PM
#46
ShrewOne said: Bro i think you are confused about the sequence of events their conflict was resolved before their date. Avoiding someone and specifically rejecting them are two different things.CutePriest said: At the cultural festival he just avoided her confession and did not actally reject her. The ebnina confession was nothing but an act even Yui understands that she was just shocked. It was not a rejection either. Rejection is when someone listens to your confession and then says sorry as they cant return their feelings. Nothing like this has happened to Yui while both 8man and Yukino(with a lot of hints from the novel ) have gone through it. Yeah, it's not exactly like the rejection you mentioned, but it is a rejection in a way. Actually, it could be worse because if it's a love rejection, you don't necessarily have to be on bad terms with that person, like Iroha and Hayama. Yui obviously wanted to get close to Hachiman and he basically rejected that offer by cutting ties with her. Keep in mind, Yui had no idea if she would ever talk to Hachiman again after that. It was a whole week before they even started talking again. In the end, it hurt her a lot. If that was a rejection then she would have stopped making advances on him by understanding that 8man does not have such feelings for her. Considering she is a character who takes the surrounding in consideration the most while doing something. But that's not what happened. |
CutePriestJun 29, 2015 10:52 PM
Jun 29, 2015 11:01 PM
#47
CutePriest said: ShrewOne said: Bro i think you are confused about the sequence of events their conflict was resolved before their date. Avoiding someone and specifically rejecting them are two different things.CutePriest said: At the cultural festival he just avoided her confession and did not actally reject her. The ebnina confession was nothing but an act even Yui understands that she was just shocked. It was not a rejection either. Rejection is when someone listens to your confession and then says sorry as they cant return their feelings. Nothing like this has happened to Yui while both 8man and Yukino(with a lot of hints from the novel ) have gone through it. Yeah, it's not exactly like the rejection you mentioned, but it is a rejection in a way. Actually, it could be worse because if it's a love rejection, you don't necessarily have to be on bad terms with that person, like Iroha and Hayama. Yui obviously wanted to get close to Hachiman and he basically rejected that offer by cutting ties with her. Keep in mind, Yui had no idea if she would ever talk to Hachiman again after that. It was a whole week before they even started talking again. In the end, it hurt her a lot. If that was a rejection then she would have stopped making advances on him by understanding that 8man does not have such feelings for her. Considering she is a character who takes the surrounding in consideration the most while doing something. But that's not what happened. There was no confession at the cultural festival, unless you're talking about the honey toast part, which I don't consider a confession in the slightest. She was shocked at the Ebina confession, but considering how emotional she got, I think it upset her quite a bit more than you're letting on. Anyway, when I was mentioning Hachiman rejecting Yui, I was referring to episode 5 of season 1 when he found out that she was the owner of the dog he saved. Also, regarding that, the point I was trying to get across is that the rejection hurt Yui and yes I know it's obviously not exactly the same as a love rejection. I don't actually believe a character should lose just because they haven't faced a love rejection in their life. After all, Yui has already gone through plenty of "suffering". |
Jun 29, 2015 11:21 PM
#48
ShrewOne said: I am referring to the scene after the fireworks when 8man and Yui are going home. The Ebina confession upset Yukino a lot as well does that mean she was rejected by 8man in that situation?CutePriest said: ShrewOne said: CutePriest said: At the cultural festival he just avoided her confession and did not actally reject her. The ebnina confession was nothing but an act even Yui understands that she was just shocked. It was not a rejection either. Rejection is when someone listens to your confession and then says sorry as they cant return their feelings. Nothing like this has happened to Yui while both 8man and Yukino(with a lot of hints from the novel ) have gone through it. Yeah, it's not exactly like the rejection you mentioned, but it is a rejection in a way. Actually, it could be worse because if it's a love rejection, you don't necessarily have to be on bad terms with that person, like Iroha and Hayama. Yui obviously wanted to get close to Hachiman and he basically rejected that offer by cutting ties with her. Keep in mind, Yui had no idea if she would ever talk to Hachiman again after that. It was a whole week before they even started talking again. In the end, it hurt her a lot. If that was a rejection then she would have stopped making advances on him by understanding that 8man does not have such feelings for her. Considering she is a character who takes the surrounding in consideration the most while doing something. But that's not what happened. There was no confession at the cultural festival, unless you're talking about the honey toast part, which I don't consider a confession in the slightest. She was shocked at the Ebina confession, but considering how emotional she got, I think it upset her quite a bit more than you're letting on. Anyway, when I was mentioning Hachiman rejecting Yui, I was referring to episode 5 of season 1 when he found out that she was the owner of the dog he saved. Also, regarding that, the point I was trying to get across is that the rejection hurt Yui and yes I know it's obviously not exactly the same as a love rejection. I don't actually believe a character should lose just because they haven't faced a love rejection in their life. After all, Yui has already gone through plenty of "suffering". In episode 5 he was not rejecting her he stated that she should stop coming to him out of pity. Also the whole thing was nothing but a misunderstanding as Yukino said. 8man was rejected, looked down upon by people and was never acknowledged by others and was forced to be a loner. That is what rejection means both by people and society whether it's romantic or not. I would say Hachiman is sane enough right now only because of Komachi, she was by his side the whole time. Yukino was bullied by other girls for being a bright student, good looking beauty. She was used as a substitute by her own family , she had no one to support her or encourage and it resulted in her creating a shell around herself and also her dependency issues, making her the most broken character at the moment. That is what rejection means by people and society whether romantic or not. What has Yui faced as compared to those two? A rejection in a high school love is nothing compared to what 8man and Yukino have faced. She has always avoided being rejected and went with the flow which she herself even admits. Whether romantic or not she hasn't faced any. That's why a rejection is important for her character development. |
CutePriestJun 29, 2015 11:31 PM
Jun 29, 2015 11:51 PM
#49
ShrewOne said: Anyway, when I was mentioning Hachiman rejecting Yui, I was referring to episode 5 of season 1 when he found out that she was the owner of the dog he saved. Dang, do you want to fite me, m8? Yui is not bitch. He just didn't want to be pitied. IRL, if you saved by someone, you won't ditch him/her , right? Just say 'Thank you and bye!" and we never meet again. You would try to know about him/her, learn about he/she likes, at least you want to be friend with him/her. That's why he doesn't want Yui to do something like that for returning favor as a reason. CutePriest said: she had no one to support her or encourage and it resulted in her creating a shell around herself and also her dependency issues. She has Yui now, and 8man. She tried to be a flawless girl, to prove to her parents that "I can do well without your concern!". CutePriest said: What has Yui faced as compared to those two? A rejection in a high school love is nothing compared to what 8man and Yukino have faced. She's a normie. Of course she has to maintain her status quo with other normies and introvert people in Service Club. You can't say that she's nothing compared with 8man's genuine issue and Yukino's dependancy issue. She wants to do whatever she likes, but if she did that, theres no guarantee her normie friends won't say and do anything, including her clubmates. Yui is suffer more than 8man and Yukino. She wants to express her feelings, yet she doesn't want her friends suffer. 8man realizes about Yui persona that's why he said that she's a 'nice girl'. CutePriest said: he has always avoided being rejected and went with the flow. She avoided because she doesn't want to lose her 'precious' clubmates. It's not confirmed if 8man likes Yui or Yukino. But, assuming if 8man accept Yui feelings, I'm sure they can't maintain their status quo and in worst case, Service club will disbanded. She went with flow? Of couse she's normie, thats why she does what people expected. If she try to againts it's flow, we will see drama between duo girl in Service Club. It may be happen in next volume. |
Jun 29, 2015 11:56 PM
#50
CutePriest said: ShrewOne said: I am referring to the scene after the fireworks when 8man and Yui are going home. The Ebina confession upset Yukino a lot as well does that mean she was rejected by 8man in that situation?CutePriest said: ShrewOne said: Bro i think you are confused about the sequence of events their conflict was resolved before their date. Avoiding someone and specifically rejecting them are two different things.CutePriest said: At the cultural festival he just avoided her confession and did not actally reject her. The ebnina confession was nothing but an act even Yui understands that she was just shocked. It was not a rejection either. Rejection is when someone listens to your confession and then says sorry as they cant return their feelings. Nothing like this has happened to Yui while both 8man and Yukino(with a lot of hints from the novel ) have gone through it. Yeah, it's not exactly like the rejection you mentioned, but it is a rejection in a way. Actually, it could be worse because if it's a love rejection, you don't necessarily have to be on bad terms with that person, like Iroha and Hayama. Yui obviously wanted to get close to Hachiman and he basically rejected that offer by cutting ties with her. Keep in mind, Yui had no idea if she would ever talk to Hachiman again after that. It was a whole week before they even started talking again. In the end, it hurt her a lot. If that was a rejection then she would have stopped making advances on him by understanding that 8man does not have such feelings for her. Considering she is a character who takes the surrounding in consideration the most while doing something. But that's not what happened. There was no confession at the cultural festival, unless you're talking about the honey toast part, which I don't consider a confession in the slightest. She was shocked at the Ebina confession, but considering how emotional she got, I think it upset her quite a bit more than you're letting on. Anyway, when I was mentioning Hachiman rejecting Yui, I was referring to episode 5 of season 1 when he found out that she was the owner of the dog he saved. Also, regarding that, the point I was trying to get across is that the rejection hurt Yui and yes I know it's obviously not exactly the same as a love rejection. I don't actually believe a character should lose just because they haven't faced a love rejection in their life. After all, Yui has already gone through plenty of "suffering". In episode 5 he was not rejecting her he stated that she should stop coming to him out of pity. Also the whole thing was nothing but a misunderstanding as Yukino said. 8man was rejected, looked down upon by people and was never acknowledged by others and was forced to be a loner. That is what rejection means both by people and society whether it's romantic or not. I would say Hachiman is sane enough right now only because of Komachi, she was by his side the whole time. Yukino was bullied by other girls for being a bright student, good looking beauty. She was used as a substitute by her own family , she had no one to support her or encourage and it resulted in her creating a shell around herself and also her dependency issues, making her the most broken character at the moment. That is what rejection means by people and society whether romantic or not. What has Yui faced as compared to those two? A rejection in a high school love is nothing compared to what 8man and Yukino have faced. She has always avoided being rejected and went with the flow which she herself even admits. Whether romantic or not she hasn't faced any. That's why a rejection is important for her character development. I wasn't implying at all that there was any type of rejection towards Yui or Yukino during the Ebina confession, there wasn't. And in episode 5, when I say rejection, I just meant her kindness towards him, even if it is out of pity which it wasn't. |
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