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Viktor_Otaku said: Darklight0303 said: He could have had a moment of lucidity before Klancain left. Also it doesn't change that Sazbaum's claim was completely illegitimate given it was made by conspirators. Asseylum said she wants to be taken away. That fact cannot be restrained by a fake legal guardianship. Actually you are mistaking several things here, the conspirators main motive was to propagate war with Earth, not to set Slaine up as her guardian. The position of the guardian was not touched by the conspirators as it is dictated by law at first. So by default the guardianship is still legitimate. Not when the purpose of assuming guardianship was using her as a puppet and propaganda for war. Asseylum's orders counteract that guardianship claim. |
Jaridan said: you can just see how aldnoah got like 20 times better just by having Urobutcher oversee the last couple of episodes. this actually resembled a normal anime instead of a trainwreck. Not true and not particularly better either way. |
Viktor_Otaku said: Kundalini said: Asseylum is marrying Klancain not for Klancain but the fact that out of all vers, it's only Mazuurek and him who are honestly loyal to her. And by loyalty it means that they shall seek what she seeks, even if it is peace with Earth. To remain married to Slaine means remaining married to the ideology that she desires to attack Earth. To become an Empress but remain with the tag of her betrothal to Slaine means that Slaine will get certain priveleges. To drive Slaine into a corner and refuse his wishes to destroy Earth, she had to break all ties and get backing of her loyalists and create her own army/force. With Mazuurek and Klancain, she gets resources at her disposal instead of being a solitary figure with no support. Also Klancain will obey Asseylum, so he gets his priveleges that will suit her. That's why she asks him to lend her his rank et al in order to make her sound legitimate an declare power instead of being overshadowed by Slaine. It was the only tactic to revoke all rights Slaine had till now. Klankein had said that the majority of the Knights still wants war with Earth and Mazuurek is more of a neutral character than a pacifist. Just because they support her does not mean that they will automatically support her peace proposal. And by marrying Klankein, Asseylum would automatically grant him full activation rights to the Aldnoah. It is a much better alternative for her to set up her own faction with Klankein as her lieutenant, not as her husband. Huh? No I don't think that's the case. Lemrina just gave that to Slaine cause she wanted to. It didn't say anywhere that it was obligatory to do so. Hell it would probably say that the activation rights have to stay with the royal family. They would not want to stupidly share that kind of power to those out of the bloodlines |
| Stupid Princess, she doesn't know how the society works and how the world acts and yet she's becoming the Queen. They would have to make a miracle for me to even give them rating above 5 by now. |
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Viktor_Otaku said: Kundalini said: Asseylum is marrying Klancain not for Klancain but the fact that out of all vers, it's only Mazuurek and him who are honestly loyal to her. And by loyalty it means that they shall seek what she seeks, even if it is peace with Earth. To remain married to Slaine means remaining married to the ideology that she desires to attack Earth. To become an Empress but remain with the tag of her betrothal to Slaine means that Slaine will get certain priveleges. To drive Slaine into a corner and refuse his wishes to destroy Earth, she had to break all ties and get backing of her loyalists and create her own army/force. With Mazuurek and Klancain, she gets resources at her disposal instead of being a solitary figure with no support. Also Klancain will obey Asseylum, so he gets his priveleges that will suit her. That's why she asks him to lend her his rank et al in order to make her sound legitimate an declare power instead of being overshadowed by Slaine. It was the only tactic to revoke all rights Slaine had till now. Klankein had said that the majority of the Knights still wants war with Earth and Mazuurek is more of a neutral character than a pacifist. Just because they support her does not mean that they will automatically support her peace proposal. And by marrying Klankein, Asseylum would automatically grant him full activation rights to the Aldnoah. It is a much better alternative for her to set up her own faction with Klankein as her lieutenant, not as her husband. True lieutenant would've been better, but that will not make any of the other Orbital Knights look up to him. Right now her main task is to find a way to get the Orbital knights to stop fighting and listen to her. If she did not do any of this OMFG, they would still side with Slaine. The first task for her is then to find a route in order to claim her own validity in the warzone. |
| _____ _ _ ______ Within pain, there is desire. _____ _ _ ______ |
kymano said: Darklight0303 said: He could have had a moment of lucidity before Klancain left. Also it doesn't change that Sazbaum's claim was completely illegitimate given it was made by conspirators. Asseylum said she wants to be taken away. That fact cannot be restrained by a fake legal guardianship. Nope, Klankain had no rights to do so it is Slaine who makes these decisions.It is still legitament because the Counts agreed on it with Saazbaum and it has been passed down to Slaine.So Slaine is declared rightfully Asseylum's gaurdian. In retort of Asseylum marrying Klankain instead of Slaine will cause confusion. NOthing Slaine had was legitimate. That was crystal clear the moment the princess woke up and could act on her own. The only reason he even managed to arrest her again was cause the most loyal of his group were on his castle not cause he had some kind of mythical undeniable authority as her fake legal guardian. |
| This is by far the comedy of the season so far, maybe I missed something but how did Inaho escape ? I know it's inevitable since he's invincible and all but would've been nice to see. Oh well,the battle is almost over and hopefully the last episode ends with Slaine and Inaho killing each other off yet that would probably lead to them combining as some sort of transformer at the start of S3 |
| My thoughts about this episode: 1- Klankain stole the show and the princess (should be Mazuurek role save the princess). 2- The emperor looks about to die and maybe with Alzheimer. 3- A political marriage for take the throne of Vers, well done Asseylum. 4- Now we have 3 or maybe 4 factions in war? New Vers (Asseylum Kingdom), Slaine Faction, Earth and maybe Deucalion? 5- At 3:50 Look like Slaine don’t care what Asseylum saying…so. 6- At 10:40 Slaine: They will know how it feels to have nowhere to go home to. Slaine real objective? |
Viktor_Otaku said: Sephil said: My thoughts about this episode: 1- Klankain stole the show and the princess (should be Mazuurek role save the princess). 2- The emperor looks about to die and maybe with Alzheimer. 3- A political marriage for take the throne of Vers, well done Asseylum. 4- Now we have 3 or maybe 4 factions in war? New Vers (Asseylum Kingdom), Slaine Faction, Earth and maybe Deucalion? 5- At 3:50 Look like Slaine don’t care what Asseylum saying…so. 6- At 10:40 Slaine: They will know how it feels to have nowhere to go home to. Slaine real objective? I have a feeling that alot of people would still side with Slaine after this. They want a new country with equality, not ruled by an oppressive monarchy. If that were the case Slaine would not have had to lie and strip counts of their power for not swearing loyalty to him. |
kymano said: Darklight0303 said: NOthing Slaine had was legitimate. That was crystal clear the moment the princess woke up and could act on her own. The only reason he even managed to arrest her again was cause the most loyal of his group were on his castle not cause he had some kind of mythical authority. Slaine is her guardian , he watches over her, Eddelrittuo had mention that Slaine fulfilled his position well.You are beginning to not make sense anymore, Slaine controls the Moonbase, given he has all the authority. You cannot the defend the fact that Klankain had disobeyed orders and acted on his own. The princess outranks Slaine in terms of power in a normal vers society. In the society of the usurpers SLaine has all the power. The Princess commanded Klancain to take her away. That is all the authority he needs. |
| Wasn't this season supposed to fill in more of the back story surrounding Aldnoah and what it is as well as the whole Dr Troyard role? It's like everything that was planned just got kind of abandoned the episode where Saazbaum died. They wasted so many potentially interesting adult characters for this melodrama between a dull teenager and one that goes full blown psychotic part way through the second season. I mean I understand A-1 falling back on it's strengths which are jerking viewers around with teen melodrama and the occasionally glitzy visuals but they really shouldn't be dabbling in this genre nor should the general staff aside from Sawano, it's just not suited to them and their skill sets. |
Viktor_Otaku said: Darklight0303 said: Huh? No I don't think that's the case. Lemrina just gave that to Slaine cause she wanted to. It didn't say anywhere that it was obligatory to do so. Hell it would probably say that the activation rights have to stay with the royal family. They would not want to stupidly share that kind of power to those out of the bloodlines Asseylum had proven herself to be the biggest dumb blonde in the entire series, so I wont put that beyond her. I was just kinda expecting her.. instead of all of this betrothal and and all, to simply revoke the rights of Aldnoah.. She can't command that from within herself? Once it's given, it's given? Klancain will get Aldnoah activation rights indeed, but it's hard to see him going against her. Mazuurek is a pacifist. He's not really neutral cos he loves earth. And now that Asseylum is back, he can openly take sides. |
| _____ _ _ ______ Within pain, there is desire. _____ _ _ ______ |
Viktor_Otaku said: Darklight0303 said: If that were the case Slaine would not have had to lie and strip counts of their power for not swearing loyalty to him. A necessary step in power politics, but Slaine was not pandering to the counts primarily, his attention was to the non-nobles, whom the true power of support lies. Those people don't have the Kataphracts and castles he needs for his Scorched Earth operation he was going to start before the Princess hijacked the broadcast. It's the counts that Slaine needs to have serving him. If those start backing out then every asset they have is also deducted from his military might. |
| I bet if I make a fanfiction restarting this show, me an 18 years old guy, from scratch can make a better plot than the authors... EDIT: ABANDON PLAN, I will probably bash Inaho and Asseylum too much x) |
Viktor_Otaku said: Darklight0303 said: The princess outranks Slaine in terms of power in a normal vers society. In the society of the usurpers SLaine has all the power. The Princess commanded Klancain to take her away. That is all the authority he needs. No if you understand that by law a ward cannot wish away her guardian's protection and control over her. Even though she maybe of royalty. Royalty make the rules in a monarchy. Asseylum has power and authority on Mars. She did not have any on the moon because there were only conspirators there. |
Viktor_Otaku said: Kundalini said: True lieutenant would've been better, but that will not make any of the other Orbital Knights look up to him. Right now her main task is to find a way to get the Orbital knights to stop fighting and listen to her. If she did not do any of this OMFG, they would still side with Slaine. The first task for her is then to find a route in order to claim her own validity in the warzone. Which would had been perfectly achievable by having Klankein swearing allegiance toward her. Thus proving she is a leader worthy of following and not as a wife who follows in the wake of her husband. Allegiance is weaker than husband. Taking a new husband is a shock value. Allegiance to the princess was already there even with Slaine. But that was with a different ideology. All of this was to bring into effect the ideology that Peace on Earth is also a side of the game now. |
| _____ _ _ ______ Within pain, there is desire. _____ _ _ ______ |
Kundalini said: Asseylum is marrying Klancain not for Klancain but the fact that out of all vers, it's only Mazuurek and him who are honestly loyal to her. And by loyalty it means that they shall seek what she seeks, even if it is peace with Earth. To remain married to Slaine means remaining married to the ideology that she desires to attack Earth. To become an Empress but remain with the tag of her betrothal to Slaine means that Slaine will get certain priveleges. To drive Slaine into a corner and refuse his wishes to destroy Earth, she had to break all ties and get backing of her loyalists and create her own army/force. With Mazuurek and Klancain, she gets resources at her disposal instead of being a solitary figure with no support. Also Klancain will obey Asseylum, so he gets his priveleges that will suit her. That's why she asks him to lend her his rank et al in order to make her sound legitimate an declare power instead of being overshadowed by Slaine. It was the only tactic to revoke all rights Slaine had till now. Don't overthink it please! We all tried but the authors aren't that deep, they're very straightforward. Don't think of any twist whatsoever, this is like a story made for kids anyways, its just for the pretty space fights and OSTs. |
Viktor_Otaku said: Darklight0303 said: Those people don't have the Kataphracts and castles he needs for his Scorched Earth operation he was going to start before the Princess hijacked the broadcast. It's the counts that Slaine needs to have serving him. If those start backing out then every asset they have is also deducted from his military might. Even the count know that when Slaine had the support of the people, unseating him would be difficult. A count would be nothing if his attendants refuse to man his castle and service his mech. Slaine knew this more clearly. Viktor_Otaku said: Darklight0303 said: Those people don't have the Kataphracts and castles he needs for his Scorched Earth operation he was going to start before the Princess hijacked the broadcast. It's the counts that Slaine needs to have serving him. If those start backing out then every asset they have is also deducted from his military might. Even the count know that when Slaine had the support of the people, unseating him would be difficult. A count would be nothing if his attendants refuse to man his castle and service his mech. Slaine knew this more clearly. If the others rebel the count need only kill themselves and that castle is worthless. The masses have no power when the captain steering the ship is the only reason the ship has life support and working engines. |
Viktor_Otaku said: Darklight0303 said: Royalty make the rules in a monarchy. Asseylum has power and authority on Mars. She did not have any on the moon because there were only conspirators there. And the head of the monarchy is currently the Emperor and by his command, Saazbaum and his heir (slaine) are to be Asseylum's guardian. Unless he dies or the Princess becomes of age, the order still stands. An order that was given under false pretense is not a valid order to begin with. What part of this don't you get? |
| Good episode. Slaine is like OMG I am screwed. One more episode, possible 3rd season or will they end it this with one episode? |
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Viktor_Otaku said: Kundalini said: I was just kinda expecting her.. instead of all of this betrothal and and all, to simply revoke the rights of Aldnoah.. She can't command that from within herself? Once it's given, it's given? Klancain will get Aldnoah activation rights indeed, but it's hard to see him going against her. Mazuurek is a pacifist. He's not really neutral cos he loves earth. And now that Asseylum is back, he can openly take sides. Klancain would be default be going against the princess as he and most of the Orbital Knight still wants war against Earth, it would take a good reason from the Princess to tell them not to. Does Klancain really say that he wants war on Earth? I can't remember. What I remember is that he's loyal to the emperor and to his father who was loyal to the princess and her wishes. Klancain was present when the Emperor was going veggie-talky to Asseylum. The emperor wants war cos he lost his son to them. He was witness to all these sides, and if he's still giving allegiance to Asseylum, it's enough take him as a loyalist who will follow Asseylum's wishes. We still don't know much about him. But he'll definitely be hating Slaine cos he's a Saazbaum now and Saazbaum killed Cruteo. |
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Kaioshin_Sama said: Wasn't this season supposed to fill in more of the back story surrounding Aldnoah and what it is as well as the whole Dr Troyard role? It's like everything that was planned just got kind of abandoned the episode where Saazbaum died. They wasted so many potentially interesting adult characters for this melodrama between a dull teenager and one that goes full blown psychotic part way through the second season.. I agree with this. I get the feeling that in the process of going from Urobuchi to the other writer, they must have either disagreed on how to handle certain things, or left some storyline details left unsaid. Remember how much screen time and attention Lt. Marito got in the first half of the first season? I was certain that he had a central role to play in the series. But he might as well have been killed off a while ago. He's been completely irrelevant in the second cour. |
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Viktor_Otaku said: snip If they are facing mutiny and the counts do not do as their crew say they can't be touched. This is what you don't get. Say count X decides screw this. I am going to side with the true ruler the princess. Crew muitiny and tell him to not do it. Count refuses. What are the crew going to do? They can hurt him sure. But they can't kill him or knock him out or the whole castle is turned into one giant pile of space junk. the Counts HAVE all the power because of this symbiotic relationship with the castle itself. You think mutineers won't know that? |
OfficialMikoSM said: Kundalini said: Asseylum is marrying Klancain not for Klancain but the fact that out of all vers, it's only Mazuurek and him who are honestly loyal to her. And by loyalty it means that they shall seek what she seeks, even if it is peace with Earth. To remain married to Slaine means remaining married to the ideology that she desires to attack Earth. To become an Empress but remain with the tag of her betrothal to Slaine means that Slaine will get certain priveleges. To drive Slaine into a corner and refuse his wishes to destroy Earth, she had to break all ties and get backing of her loyalists and create her own army/force. With Mazuurek and Klancain, she gets resources at her disposal instead of being a solitary figure with no support. Also Klancain will obey Asseylum, so he gets his priveleges that will suit her. That's why she asks him to lend her his rank et al in order to make her sound legitimate an declare power instead of being overshadowed by Slaine. It was the only tactic to revoke all rights Slaine had till now. Don't overthink it please! We all tried but the authors aren't that deep, they're very straightforward. Don't think of any twist whatsoever, this is like a story made for kids anyways, its just for the pretty space fights and OSTs. Lol, I don't see it that way. It's not straightforward. Certain characters are bleh definitely, but overall, the show has made an effort in physics, strategy and socio-political logistics. |
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Sephil said: As i said before slaine will try to blow up earth.6- At 10:40 Slaine: They will know how it feels to have nowhere to go home to. Slaine real objective? |
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CookingPriest said: Sephil said: As i said before slaine will try to blow up earth.6- At 10:40 Slaine: They will know how it feels to have nowhere to go home to. Slaine real objective? Or was going to at least. Before his castle of sand was completely blown away. |
Kundalini said: OfficialMikoSM said: Don't overthink it please! We all tried but the authors aren't that deep, they're very straightforward. Don't think of any twist whatsoever, this is like a story made for kids anyways, its just for the pretty space fights and OSTs. Lol, I don't see it that way. It's not straightforward. Certain characters are bleh definitely, but overall, the show has made an effort in physics, strategy and socio-political logistics. Combat Strategy, definitely yes. Physics, definitely yes. Socio-Political Logistics, nope. Not even close, if you think this one has good politics then please go watch Game of Thrones. This comes nothing close to it. |
TheDrifter said: TheIMF said: Would've been cool if the old Emperor had made some kind of mention of the fact Slaine had tried to warn him about the plot to assassinate Asseylum. Feels like a missed opportunity after Eddelrittuo defended Slaine. lol i forgot about that scene with slaine talking with the emperor It's an overlooked fact, in particular by Inaho fanboys that have deluded themselves into thinking he is some kind of incompetent loser yandere. |
TheIMF said: TheDrifter said: lol i forgot about that scene with slaine talking with the emperor It's an overlooked fact, in particular by Inaho fanboys that have deluded themselves into thinking he is some kind of incompetent loser yandere. Too bad that was at the start of the series before he was hit with the stupids from episode 7 onward. |
CookingPriest said: Sephil said: As i said before slaine will try to blow up earth.6- At 10:40 Slaine: They will know how it feels to have nowhere to go home to. Slaine real objective? Have you been watching the show? THEY WANT EARTH, they don't want to destroy it. Do you pay attention even? Or is your hatred to Slaine to that point where you ignore everything that Slaine says? They want the resources, that's how it works. War isn't all dandy and running all around, it's either be killed or kill; annihilate the other faction or make them surrender and they're doing that. They'll try to annihilate the main key points of Earth to destroy UFE Government to end the war. |
kymano said: Kundalini said: Does Klancain really say that he wants war on Earth? I can't remember. What I remember is that he's loyal to the emperor and to his father who was loyal to the princess and her wishes. Klancain was present when the Emperor was going veggie-talky to Asseylum. The emperor wants war cos he lost his son to them. He was witness to all these sides, and if he's still giving allegiance to Asseylum, it's enough take him as a loyalist who will follow Asseylum's wishes. We still don't know much about him. But he'll definitely be hating Slaine cos he's a Saazbaum now and Saazbaum killed Cruteo. Klankain told Asseylum that Counts wanted the war, the Emperor told Asseylum that the war is inevitable as like Slaine did. Klankain wasn't loyal to the princess, he was loyal to the Emperor but went against the Emperor for his own benefits. Asseylum on the other hand was moved from a head of authority unifying Counts and fix Vers' affairs to becoming a puppet to her own loyalists. Slaine will not tolerate Klankain for taking this action. Slaine has much bigger worries than that. For example the counts that were coerced to join him like Barcrouz and the others who joined his new kingdom because the princess gave him full authority. He's in no position to tolerate shit. |
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