hentai_eucli said: Just read some trap hentai. Its orgasmic. Literally. I wish RL had more traps. Id seriously be bi then. But so far Ive not seen one good trap IRL. Or maybe I have but they where so good I didnt notice :illuminati: |
baki502 said: Red_Keys said: Can you imagine if gay people were as shallow, entitled, immature, and bratty as you people? "WAIT. This show has STRAIGHT PEOPLE IN IT??? EWWWWWWWWWWWWWW" If having homosexual characters bothers you, you are homophobic. It's not a hard concept. The idea that you have to be the same sexuality as the relationship being presented and developed in order to enjoy it is beyond ludicrous. Unless of course you're some sexual weirdo who is only capable of enjoying things that you can masturbate to. I masturbate to yaoi trap hentai, and yet I would never watch a show staring homosexual main characters. Why? Because 1st. Its 100% a romance which I dont like, 2nd its 9/10 times shitty fujoshi bait and just as bad as some shoujo romances. So Id rather spend my time watching actual good shows. Sadly yaoi shows are so predictable you can link the sexuality of the main characters to what the show is going to be like 9.5/10 times. And I do not like what those shows are like. Well, that's not what Red_keys was talking about though. A lot of people just don't watch it out of principle because homosexuality disgusts them, but see themselves as being tolerant and far from 'homophobic' because they're ONLY verbally expressing their disdain instead of bashing gays like in the good ol' times (or however else they make themselves believe that they are not homophobic). Not watching Yaoi because you don't like romance or have low expectations for the execution of it is completely different. Heck, I avoid Yaoi and Ecchi equally for about the same reasons you listed. |
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: baki502 said: I masturbate to yaoi trap hentai, and yet I would never watch a show staring homosexual main characters. Why? Because 1st. Its 100% a romance which I dont like, 2nd its 9/10 times shitty fujoshi bait and just as bad as some shoujo romances. So Id rather spend my time watching actual good shows. Sadly yaoi shows are so predictable you can link the sexuality of the main characters to what the show is going to be like 9.5/10 times. And I do not like what those shows are like. Well, that's not what Red_keys was talking about though. A lot of people just don't watch it out of principle because homosexuality disgusts them, but see themselves as being tolerant and far from 'homophobic' because they're ONLY verbally expressing their disdain instead of bashing gays like in the good ol' times (or however else they make themselves believe that they are not homophobic). Not watching Yaoi because you don't like romance or have low expectations for the execution of it is completely different. Heck, I avoid Yaoi and Ecchi equally for about the same reasons you listed. True, but a lot of people tend to think that if you say anything bad about a piece of work that involves homosexuality as it's main focus, you are homophobic, which is simply not true. I'm sure you probably don't think like this lad, but some people do, and it's quite annoying knowing you can't criticize these pieces of work without being called homophobic or something along the lines of that. Now I've read a fair few Yaoi Manga in my time and they all seem to follow the same old bland stereotypes and are completely 2 dimensional and predictable. I'd go as far to say that some of them are as bad as the typical harem leads and tsundere stereotypes we get nowadays, which is just bad writing. If they were to grow out of these stereotypes however and become their own characters, they could become something truly great. |
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Rivalrun said: Kruszer said: Yaoi=hardcore gay porn. So no way. The non-pornographic variety, shounen-ai, doesn't usually interest me either, unless it's combined with some other genre I like such as science fiction. No. 6 for instance I completed, but not because of the gay couple, but rather because the sci-fi plot was interesting. Wrong. "Shounen-ai" isn't an actual genre. And yaoi is simply boys' love, romantic or sexual. Acording to ANN's lexicon, whose word I trust more than yours sorry, you are wrong. Yaoi Shounen-Ai |
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| ive been watching love stage and it is very good. |
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mattbenz99 said: ive been watching love stage and it is very good. +1 It is better than most of the straight romance animes that I've seen Himegoto is also good and funny for a short series |
Ropnap said: Uh, no. Two guys smooching really isn't something I'd watch. #yurimasterrace Replace guys with girls and replace smooching with fucking making love and I'll agree. Otherwise, I'm cool with shoujo-ai as much as shounen-ai. |
| Is it weird that Id rather watch two guys fuck than tenderly smooching and being lovey dovey to each other? Somehow primal animalistic sex is less jarring to watch, even tough its still homosexual butsex, its still kinda manly. But two men holding each other tenderly in arms, smooching and shit, its just so fucking gay. Also its 2:40 am and Im probably sleep-drunk, but I regret nothing. |
Higashi_no_Kaze said: baki502 said: I masturbate to yaoi trap hentai, and yet I would never watch a show staring homosexual main characters. Why? Because 1st. Its 100% a romance which I dont like, 2nd its 9/10 times shitty fujoshi bait and just as bad as some shoujo romances. So Id rather spend my time watching actual good shows. Sadly yaoi shows are so predictable you can link the sexuality of the main characters to what the show is going to be like 9.5/10 times. And I do not like what those shows are like. Well, that's not what Red_keys was talking about though. A lot of people just don't watch it out of principle because homosexuality disgusts them, but see themselves as being tolerant and far from 'homophobic' because they're ONLY verbally expressing their disdain instead of bashing gays like in the good ol' times (or however else they make themselves believe that they are not homophobic). Not watching Yaoi because you don't like romance or have low expectations for the execution of it is completely different. Heck, I avoid Yaoi and Ecchi equally for about the same reasons you listed. But they are only verbally expressing their disdain and they aren't bashing gays like in the good ol' times. I hope. Honestly, I couldn't care less if people are getting pissed off at people who think two dudes kissing is gross or icky and don't watch Yaoi. To bring up a sort-of-related example, I do not eat meat. I don't eat it because the idea of eating a dead animal is gross to me. But believe it or not I don't give a rat's ass whether or not other people want to eat meat, and I don't think even the slightest bit less of people who do. I don't think there would be as many people taking issue with the people who say "eww, that's gay, I don't want to watch it" if not for the people who beat up gay people and whatnot. But I can't stand the idea of lumping those two types of people together, just like I wouldn't tolerate being lumped together with hardcore vegetarian activists who break into farms to free livestock or some shit. |
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thepath said: ya i hate how everyone automatically hates because of eww its gay. ya that is the whole fucking point.mattbenz99 said: ive been watching love stage and it is very good. +1 It is better than most of the straight romance animes that I've seen Himegoto is also good and funny for a short series |
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| I honestly just don't see the point, yuri and yaoi genres (if you can call them that) are about the pandering and not quality so if you're not into that why bother? |
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opondica said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: Well, that's not what Red_keys was talking about though. A lot of people just don't watch it out of principle because homosexuality disgusts them, but see themselves as being tolerant and far from 'homophobic' because they're ONLY verbally expressing their disdain instead of bashing gays like in the good ol' times (or however else they make themselves believe that they are not homophobic). Not watching Yaoi because you don't like romance or have low expectations for the execution of it is completely different. Heck, I avoid Yaoi and Ecchi equally for about the same reasons you listed. But they are only verbally expressing their disdain and they aren't bashing gays like in the good ol' times. I hope. Honestly, I couldn't care less if people are getting pissed off at people who think two dudes kissing is gross or icky and don't watch Yaoi. To bring up a sort-of-related example, I do not eat meat. I don't eat it because the idea of eating a dead animal is gross to me. But believe it or not I don't give a rat's ass whether or not other people want to eat meat, and I don't think even the slightest bit less of people who do. I don't think there would be as many people taking issue with the people who say "eww, that's gay, I don't want to watch it" if not for the people who beat up gay people and whatnot. But I can't stand the idea of lumping those two types of people together, just like I wouldn't tolerate being lumped together with hardcore vegetarian activists who break into farms to free livestock or some shit. Abiding the law by not assaulting people is nothing that warrants any special praise, it's the minimum requirement of any civilized being living in our society. Whether someone is tolerant or not is an independent issue, it happens in the mind. I thought that was obvious so I'm not sure what your point was, especially since the comparison to being a vegetarian makes no sense because it's just a restriction you put on yourself and not a hateful attitude toward a group of people. Also nobody likes being lumped in with CRIMINALS, but that was never the issue you're trying to make it, it was always about TOLERANCE. I didn't write 'they falsely think they are not criminals because they don't bash gays', did I now? You don't need to shoot a black person to be a racist and the same goes for homophobes. |
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: opondica said: But they are only verbally expressing their disdain and they aren't bashing gays like in the good ol' times. I hope. Honestly, I couldn't care less if people are getting pissed off at people who think two dudes kissing is gross or icky and don't watch Yaoi. To bring up a sort-of-related example, I do not eat meat. I don't eat it because the idea of eating a dead animal is gross to me. But believe it or not I don't give a rat's ass whether or not other people want to eat meat, and I don't think even the slightest bit less of people who do. I don't think there would be as many people taking issue with the people who say "eww, that's gay, I don't want to watch it" if not for the people who beat up gay people and whatnot. But I can't stand the idea of lumping those two types of people together, just like I wouldn't tolerate being lumped together with hardcore vegetarian activists who break into farms to free livestock or some shit. Abiding the law by not assaulting people is nothing that warrants any special praise, it's the minimum requirement of any civilized being living in our society. Whether someone is tolerant or not is an independent issue, it happens in the mind. I thought that was obvious so I'm not sure what your point was, especially since the comparison to being a vegetarian makes no sense because it's just a restriction you put on yourself and not a hateful attitude toward a group of people. Also nobody likes being lumped in with CRIMINALS, but that was never the issue you're trying to make it, it was always about TOLERANCE. I didn't write 'they falsely think they are not criminals because they don't bash gays', did I now? You don't need to shoot a black person to be a racist and the same goes for homophobes. To sum up what I meant to say, I do not believe that refusing to watch yaoi on account of thinking it's 'gross' makes someone intolerant, any more than I am intolerant of omnivores. And I am not at all intolerant of omnivores. I probably wrote more than I needed to, and ended up being less clear. That's something I'm trying to work on, but old habits die hard. |
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| There are much more BL male reader in Japan (and in the whole world, specially with Internet/scans) that you can imagine! Most of them just keep it for themself because it's always the fear to be targeted as gay... -_-' But what's the problem with watching/reading a love story? Or a not romance story why gay characters? I can understand that people don't want to watch sex scenes but it's the same for the hereto sex scenes! It's like in some movies with random sex scenes when it's not at all relevant in the story... The most important thing should be the entertainment, the comedy, the STORY! whatever the sex of the characters! Specially in anime TV series, there are not explicit sex scenes, so it shouldn't be a problem! Of course some OVA are hardcore ^^ and are more difficult to watch, but it's the same with the hetero hentai... I find hetero hentai disgusting, mostly because of the way the women are treated! I don't say it's not like this in BL/yaoi, in fact a lot of them implied rape, but since it's guys, I may fell more at ease, even if I prefer very cute "pink" BL love story! |
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baki502 said: If you dislike a show because of bad writing, then you dislike bad writing, not the content of the show.Red_Keys said: Can you imagine if gay people were as shallow, entitled, immature, and bratty as you people? "WAIT. This show has STRAIGHT PEOPLE IN IT??? EWWWWWWWWWWWWWW" If having homosexual characters bothers you, you are homophobic. It's not a hard concept. The idea that you have to be the same sexuality as the relationship being presented and developed in order to enjoy it is beyond ludicrous. Unless of course you're some sexual weirdo who is only capable of enjoying things that you can masturbate to. I masturbate to yaoi trap hentai, and yet I would never watch a show staring homosexual main characters. Why? Because 1st. Its 100% a romance which I dont like, 2nd its 9/10 times shitty fujoshi bait and just as bad as some shoujo romances. So Id rather spend my time watching actual good shows. Sadly yaoi shows are so predictable you can link the sexuality of the main characters to what the show is going to be like 9.5/10 times. And I do not like what those shows are like. If you dislike a show because it is focused on romance, then you dislike romance, and that has nothing to do with the sexuality of any of the characters. If you dislike a show because the characters are homosexuals, you are homophobic. That's what homophobic means. "Yaoi" isn't a genre unto itself. It is merely a description of the main characters' sexualities. Saying "I don't like yaoi because I don't like romance" is like saying "I don't like shounen because I don't like action". |
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Red_Keys said: baki502 said: If you dislike a show because of bad writing, then you dislike bad writing, not the content of the show.I masturbate to yaoi trap hentai, and yet I would never watch a show staring homosexual main characters. Why? Because 1st. Its 100% a romance which I dont like, 2nd its 9/10 times shitty fujoshi bait and just as bad as some shoujo romances. So Id rather spend my time watching actual good shows. Sadly yaoi shows are so predictable you can link the sexuality of the main characters to what the show is going to be like 9.5/10 times. And I do not like what those shows are like. If you dislike a show because it is focused on romance, then you dislike romance, and that has nothing to do with the sexuality of any of the characters. If you dislike a show because the characters are homosexuals, you are homophobic. That's what homophobic means. "Yaoi" isn't a genre unto itself. It is merely a description of the main characters' sexualities. Saying "I don't like yaoi because I don't like romance" is like saying "I don't like shounen because I don't like action". Define homophobic. Because I'm pretty sure it means more than just "someone who dislikes anime because the characters are homosexuals." |
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AzuStar said: Homophobia is when some1 fears or hates Homosexuals Or has a distaste for them? You don't have to be running through town screaming, "The homos are coming! The homos are coming!" to be homophobic. Homophobia: Related terms: West-borough Baptist Church, Virginia, Deep South, and Fanatic Neo-Christian. |
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YandereTheEmo said: AzuStar said: Homophobia is when some1 fears or hates Homosexuals Or has a distaste for them? You don't have to be running through town screaming, "The homos are coming! The homos are coming!" to be homophobic. Homophobia: Related terms: West-borough Baptist Church, Virginia, Deep South, and Fanatic Neo-Christian. no, i got this from dictionary.com wait... just checked dictionary.com and they have a new definition homophobia : unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality. |
opondica said: ho·mo·pho·bi·aDefine homophobic. Because I'm pretty sure it means more than just "someone who dislikes anime because the characters are homosexuals." ˌhōməˈfōbēə/Submit noun an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people. Disliking something because it features homosexuals is homophobic. This is not a difficult concept. |
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Red_Keys said: opondica said: ho·mo·pho·bi·aDefine homophobic. Because I'm pretty sure it means more than just "someone who dislikes anime because the characters are homosexuals." ˌhōməˈfōbēə/Submit noun an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people. Disliking something because it features homosexuals is homophobic. This is not a difficult concept. i guess it does makes sense, since it is a phobia. |
opondica said: If you refused to watch a television program because the characters were omnivores, I'd say you were pretty damn intolerant of omnivores.To sum up what I meant to say, I do not believe that refusing to watch yaoi on account of thinking it's 'gross' makes someone intolerant, any more than I am intolerant of omnivores. And I am not at all intolerant of omnivores. I probably wrote more than I needed to, and ended up being less clear. That's something I'm trying to work on, but old habits die hard. |
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Red_Keys said: opondica said: If you refused to watch a television program because the characters were omnivores, I'd say you were pretty damn intolerant of omnivores.To sum up what I meant to say, I do not believe that refusing to watch yaoi on account of thinking it's 'gross' makes someone intolerant, any more than I am intolerant of omnivores. And I am not at all intolerant of omnivores. I probably wrote more than I needed to, and ended up being less clear. That's something I'm trying to work on, but old habits die hard. well, you gotta ask yourself do they not watch the show because there are homosexuals or because the guys will eventually f*ck and shiz. |
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Red_Keys said: opondica said: ho·mo·pho·bi·aDefine homophobic. Because I'm pretty sure it means more than just "someone who dislikes anime because the characters are homosexuals." ˌhōməˈfōbēə/Submit noun an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people. Disliking something because it features homosexuals is homophobic. This is not a difficult concept. "Extreme" being the key word you are failing to comprehend. I knew a guy who disliked black people, but he still had a few black friends, some of which were his closest. I certainly wouldn't call him racist. |
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Red_Keys said: opondica said: If you refused to watch a television program because the characters were omnivores, I'd say you were pretty damn intolerant of omnivores.To sum up what I meant to say, I do not believe that refusing to watch yaoi on account of thinking it's 'gross' makes someone intolerant, any more than I am intolerant of omnivores. And I am not at all intolerant of omnivores. I probably wrote more than I needed to, and ended up being less clear. That's something I'm trying to work on, but old habits die hard. Fair enough. I'd probably use the word 'aversive' instead of intolerant, because I do not think this behavior exhibits an unwillingness to tolerate the existence of omnivores. But that's an issue that is maybe more related to my reply to your second post, so I won't elaborate on it here. What about if I refused to watch television that depicted the consumption of meat, but had no problem with watching a program featuring omnivorous characters so long as they were not stuffing their faces with animal carcasses? I'm going to stand up for my hypothetical self here and say that you should not find me intolerant in this scenario - I take no issue with the people who eat meat, I just don't want to watch meat being eaten. I think this is relevant because there's probably some divide between people who don't watch yaoi because "eww, gay people" and people who don't watch it because they do not want to watch homoerotic content. Red_Keys said: opondica said: ho·mo·pho·bi·aDefine homophobic. Because I'm pretty sure it means more than just "someone who dislikes anime because the characters are homosexuals." ˌhōməˈfōbēə/Submit noun an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people. Disliking something because it features homosexuals is homophobic. This is not a difficult concept. It isn't a completely straightforward concept either. By my standards, a refusal to watch anime on account of it featuring homosexuals is irrational, but in no way shape or form extreme, because what anime one chooses to watch is in the scheme of human events incredibly insignificant. By your standards it evidently is both. But putting that aside, why does this matter? It seems from what you've said above that you see people who won't watch yaoi because "it's gay" as intolerant of homosexuals. So what? Do you think that people who don't want to watch yaoi have some deep-seated fear of homosexuality that will lead them to go out and oppress gay people? I suppose it would be useful to have the definition of "intolerant" that you are using. I don't want to assume that whatever I find on google definitions is the way you're using it, because that's not necessarily true. |
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baki502 said: Red_Keys said: Can you imagine if gay people were as shallow, entitled, immature, and bratty as you people? "WAIT. This show has STRAIGHT PEOPLE IN IT??? EWWWWWWWWWWWWWW" If having homosexual characters bothers you, you are homophobic. It's not a hard concept. The idea that you have to be the same sexuality as the relationship being presented and developed in order to enjoy it is beyond ludicrous. Unless of course you're some sexual weirdo who is only capable of enjoying things that you can masturbate to. I masturbate to yaoi trap hentai, and yet I would never watch a show staring homosexual main characters. Why? Because 1st. Its 100% a romance which I dont like, 2nd its 9/10 times shitty fujoshi bait and just as bad as some shoujo romances. So Id rather spend my time watching actual good shows. Sadly yaoi shows are so predictable you can link the sexuality of the main characters to what the show is going to be like 9.5/10 times. And I do not like what those shows are like. hentai_eucli said: Just read some trap hentai. Its orgasmic. Literally. If you are fan of trap hentai, then I recommend that you watch this http://myanimelist.net/anime/17371/Natsuyasumi. This will help you to masturbate more than any of straight hentai animes. |
Dark_Chaos said: Red_Keys said: ho·mo·pho·bi·a ˌhōməˈfōbēə/Submit noun an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people. Disliking something because it features homosexuals is homophobic. This is not a difficult concept. "Extreme" being the key word you are failing to comprehend. I knew a guy who disliked black people, but he still had a few black friends, some of which were his closest. I certainly wouldn't call him racist. Disliking black people because of the innate quality that they're black is racism. Like, what are you smoking? XD |
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YandereTheEmo said: Dark_Chaos said: "Extreme" being the key word you are failing to comprehend. I knew a guy who disliked black people, but he still had a few black friends, some of which were his closest. I certainly wouldn't call him racist. Disliking black people because of the innate quality that they're black is racism. Like, what are you smoking? XD Red_Keys said: ho·mo·pho·bi·a ˌhōməˈfōbēə/Submit noun an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people. This is not a difficult concept. |
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Dark_Chaos said: YandereTheEmo said: Disliking black people because of the innate quality that they're black is racism. Like, what are you smoking? XD Red_Keys said: ho·mo·pho·bi·a ˌhōməˈfōbēə/Submit noun an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people. This is not a difficult concept. Under your standards, we'd have to be beating blacks on sight before you'd consider it racist. |
| It's natural for a person to deny he's a failure as a human being. That's why he searches for somebody who is more miserable than himself. That's why so much animosity exists on the internet. Those who aren't able to find a more miserable person, turn to the internet and call other people losers, even though they've never met. Just to make themselves feel superior. isn't that pathetic? There's a sense of security that comes from speaking badly of someone else. But that isn't true salvation. — Tatsuhiro Satou YandereTheEmo said: The only thing more pathetic than quoting someone you know nothing about, is quoting yourself. |
YandereTheEmo said: Dark_Chaos said: Under your standards, we'd have to be beating blacks on sight before you'd consider it racist. I see, so you only consider physical violence to be extreme. Very simple minded, aren't you? |
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Dark_Chaos said: YandereTheEmo said: Under your standards, we'd have to be beating blacks on sight before you'd consider it racist. I see, so you only consider physical violence to be extreme. Very simple minded, aren't you? No, I'm merely mocking the fact that you don't seem to understand what being racist details. Disliking someone because of their skin color/generalizing that you don't like blacks makes you a racist. True, and true. No denying that. Having black friends doesn't rectify this. |
| It's natural for a person to deny he's a failure as a human being. That's why he searches for somebody who is more miserable than himself. That's why so much animosity exists on the internet. Those who aren't able to find a more miserable person, turn to the internet and call other people losers, even though they've never met. Just to make themselves feel superior. isn't that pathetic? There's a sense of security that comes from speaking badly of someone else. But that isn't true salvation. — Tatsuhiro Satou YandereTheEmo said: The only thing more pathetic than quoting someone you know nothing about, is quoting yourself. |
YandereTheEmo said: Dark_Chaos said: I see, so you only consider physical violence to be extreme. Very simple minded, aren't you? No, I'm merely mocking the fact that you don't seem to understand what being racist details. Disliking someone because of their skin color/generalizing that you don't like blacks makes you a racist. True, and true. No denying that. Having black friends doesn't rectify this. Sorry lad, but I trust Google's definition over the definition of some random kid on the internet. Don't hold it against me. |
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Dark_Chaos said: YandereTheEmo said: No, I'm merely mocking the fact that you don't seem to understand what being racist details. Disliking someone because of their skin color/generalizing that you don't like blacks makes you a racist. True, and true. No denying that. Having black friends doesn't rectify this. Sorry lad, but I trust Google's definition over the definition of some random kid on the internet. Don't hold it against me. Disliking every member of a single race because they are of that race is intolerance, hence prejudice against that race. Now, depending on his reason, the severity of his racism will vary, but regardless, even following Google's definition (which I have posted above for you), he's a racist. No getting around that by saying, "Hur-dur... he has black friends, so that makes hating/disliking all blacks because they're black 'not racist'" |
| It's natural for a person to deny he's a failure as a human being. That's why he searches for somebody who is more miserable than himself. That's why so much animosity exists on the internet. Those who aren't able to find a more miserable person, turn to the internet and call other people losers, even though they've never met. Just to make themselves feel superior. isn't that pathetic? There's a sense of security that comes from speaking badly of someone else. But that isn't true salvation. — Tatsuhiro Satou YandereTheEmo said: The only thing more pathetic than quoting someone you know nothing about, is quoting yourself. |
| Im a racist and I dun care. Ive got prejudice against jugoslavian and turks. From experience Ive simply deducted that on average Ive had more trouble with foreigners from this ethnicity. My racism goes as far as being more wary around people of that ethnicity. Do I plan to change this? No. I do not think its bad. I think its similar with homophobia. If peoples homophobia only goes as far as not watching yaoi anime, let them be homophobic as long as they like. As long as it doesnt affect anybody else but themselves, who fucking cares? Instead of throwing definitions around and arguing whether or not its homophobic, why not take a look and ask yourself if it even matters. Its just bloody anime, its not important. |
| Spoilered the comments I'm replying to due to length. I would as well. In fact, google gives a definition of racism that is quite different from what you get if you replace "gay people" with "people of a different race" in the previously posted definition of homophobia. But someone else already posted it. I came into this discussion essentially in the middle, so I apologize for having brought up a subject that you already explained your views on. Thanks for restating it. As for the example, I don't know that I necessarily would, although it certainly is a possible motivation. But that's the case for the other examples as well. I think the relevant distinction isn't how significant the act is, but whether the problem is with the act itself or the people who perform it. I could call you intolerant of straight people, but I could also call you exceptionally picky and repulsed by heterosexual intercourse. Certainly I would be more likely to believe it than if you refused to watch a graphic hetero sex scene. On another note, I hesitate to say that I would call anyone intolerant of straight people for anything less than saying something along the lines of "man, I hate straight people." Unless of course, I had just come away from a discussion where intolerance of straight people was brought up. I think the reason for this is that I essentially never encounter people who are intolerant of straight people to the extent of wanting to discriminate against them, whereas I am well aware of the fact that homosexual behavior carries the death penalty in some countries. I don't think that "any decent person" should want to get rid of homophobia, or indeed want to make the world better in any way at all, so long as they also don't want to make it worse. But that's a different can of worms entirely. Leaving out "extreme" and "irrational" I find it hard to disagree that refusing to watch something because it contains gay people is homophobic. At the same time I find it hard to agree that this specific behavior is worth "getting rid of." I suppose this bothers me a little bit because I don't like the idea of trying to prevent people from retreating into themselves, as opposed to trying to prevent them from interfering in the ability of others to live their own lives. And someone refusing to watch yaoi because it's gay isn't interfering with your life. Maybe they also would refuse to speak with you in reality if you were gay, in which case that's another story. But I have no evidence to either support or deny the assertion that all people who refuse to watch yaoi because they are homophobic are also homophobic enough to actually impact real, live gay people. |
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Zeally said: Never tried again after Boku no pico trauma @_@ come on, boku is cake compared to other things. Malkshake said: I'm not sure if it is technically a yaoi, but I watched Kuroshitsuji. I think the only yaoi thing in it is Grell and Sebastian. Kuroshitsuji is not a yaoi (even though it was originally supposed to be one). As much as a lot of fans want it to be, it's not. I'm sure you can find plenty of Kuroshitsuji yaoi fanfiction online though. |
TobiOrNotTobiJul 30, 2014 4:29 PM
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| I'm probably going to end up playing Dramatical Murder and Togainu No Chi because my girlfriend loves them. Honestly, if it has a good story then I can get past the dicks in asses. |
amayih said: I don't say it's not like this in BL/yaoi, in fact a lot of them implied rape, but since it's guys, I may fell more at ease I think this is exactly the problem here. Women getting raped = ewwwwwww. Men getting raped = kyaaaaaaaa Fujoshis in a nutshell. |
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MoeSavage said: LOLI honestly can't enjoy Yaoi's at all. It's not like i'm homophobic or anything, it's just that I'd rather not see two guys kiss each other or fall in love to the point where they're willing to do sensual shit with one another. In the end of the day Okabe is poking in my head saying "But he's a guy" and ruining everything for me. |
Shiratori99 said: amayih said: I don't say it's not like this in BL/yaoi, in fact a lot of them implied rape, but since it's guys, I may fell more at ease I think this is exactly the problem here. Women getting raped = ewwwwwww. Men getting raped = kyaaaaaaaa Fujoshis in a nutshell. Goes both ways. Stop making girls sound like they're the only ones that are perverted. You guys and your crazy ass hentai. |
mayukachan said: Shiratori99 said: I think this is exactly the problem here. Women getting raped = ewwwwwww. Men getting raped = kyaaaaaaaa Fujoshis in a nutshell. Goes both ways. Stop making girls sound like they're the only ones that are perverted. You guys and your crazy ass hentai. He's talking about double standards around the mismatched concept of one-sided "rape culture" and not the material (i.e. hentai) that's pandered towards men/women. Especially since popular fujoshi/feminist bloggers seem to think that if men get raped (which is apparently non-existent) it doesn't matter. |
| It's natural for a person to deny he's a failure as a human being. That's why he searches for somebody who is more miserable than himself. That's why so much animosity exists on the internet. Those who aren't able to find a more miserable person, turn to the internet and call other people losers, even though they've never met. Just to make themselves feel superior. isn't that pathetic? There's a sense of security that comes from speaking badly of someone else. But that isn't true salvation. — Tatsuhiro Satou YandereTheEmo said: The only thing more pathetic than quoting someone you know nothing about, is quoting yourself. |
YandereTheEmo said: Especially since popular fujoshi/feminist bloggers seem to think that if men get raped (which is apparently non-existent) it doesn't matter. T-They do?! I thought Yaoi was just a guilty pleasure for girls, not some kind of new movement. lmao |
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