The Irregular at Magic High School (light novel)
Confucius said: In episode 1, the guy claims they aren't twins, but they were born on different months. Is it actually possible to give birth to one kid in one month and another one in the next? Miyuki seems especially talented so I think Tatsuya was born in April the year before and Miyuki was born in March the year after. Because she calls Tatsuya "older brother" and that wouldnt make sense if she was born in March and he in April. But I mentioned her natural talent because she probably just started school a year early to be in his grade. |
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Old_Raven said: Confucius said: In episode 1, the guy claims they aren't twins, but they were born on different months. Is it actually possible to give birth to one kid in one month and another one in the next? Miyuki seems especially talented so I think Tatsuya was born in April the year before and Miyuki was born in March the year after. Because she calls Tatsuya "older brother" and that wouldnt make sense if she was born in March and he in April. But I mentioned her natural talent because she probably just started school a year early to be in his grade. Her natural talent would have nothing to do with it. As others have already said, Japan tends to use April through the following year's March for grade cut-offs. He would be one of the oldest in the grade, and she would be one of the youngest, but it'd be perfectly in line with standard procedure. |
| Tatsuya was born first in April. Miyuki was born 11 months later in March. The Japanese school year begins on April 1st. So anyone who was born in April up untill the next one will be put in the same grade. Hence why Tatsuya and Miyuki are in the same grade |
LazyLuong said: iFourier said: Both of them have the same mother. I guess I'm such a douchebag so I better spoil everything. |
| in Japan, we start compulsory education the first april after your 6th birthday which is the equivalent of 1st grade in the USA (kindergarten isn't mandatory).... so if you are born in the beginning of march, you start 1st grade about a month after your birthday 6th birthday. if you are born in the beginning of april, you start about a year after your 6th birthday since you would technically only be 5 at the beginning of the month. |
| Basically, Tatsuya started with max stats (battle attributes) since episode 1. heck, even he still in sealed form. If he started weaker then getting stronger after time, he could avoided the Gary Stu label(OP) on term of his strength. Yet, his "no emotion" personality actually make it worse. Miyuki not exaggerating about Tatsuya never lose in true fight because he actually really never lost in true fight so far. And, Tatsuya also mostly will get what he want if he try. Yes, he is not a full Gary Stu. But, we actually can't fully denied he is Gary Stu either. He just too plain in character even his flaws not help his characterization to the extent the story need other characters to make it up Tatsuya's plain personality. |
Takuan_Soho said: MShukyDeneuve said: But, we actually can't fully denied he is Gary Stu either....He just too plain in character. Your second statement contradicts the first statement. A "too plain" character cannot be a "Gary Stu" character. The whole point of a "Gary Stu" or "Mary Sue" is how gosh incredible they are supposed to be. No, i am not. You just misunderstood me. The whole point of my statement is "Because Tatsuya is too great, it ended up made his character too plain, almost any his flaws is ignored because his greatness" He is too strong, too calm, too smart, too cool, basically a walking nuke, etc. Even his flaws not help his characterization more colorful, in the end made his greatness looks plain. got what i mean? What you mean incredible, of course Tatsuya is incredible, on story wise ,that is. Everyone strangely attracted to him because his Plainness(greatness) , resulted the your "how gosh incredible he is supposed to be". But, on characterization, he is too great that ended up it made him plain. The one who make it up for Tatsuya character is other characters(mainly their flaws), Miyuki's "brocon", Erika's over familiar, Hattori's discrimination, Leo's short temper, etc. Got that now. |
Takuan_Soho said: MShukyDeneuve said: The whole point of my statement is "Because Tatsuya is too great, it ended up made his character too plain, almost any his flaws is ignored because his greatness" He is too strong, too calm, too smart, too cool, basically a walking nuke, etc. Even his flaws not help his characterization more colorful, in the end made his greatness looks plain. got what i mean? What you mean incredible, of course Tatsuya is incredible, on story wise ,that is. Everyone strangely attracted to him because his Plainness(greatness) , resulted the your "how gosh incredible he is supposed to be". But, on characterization, he is too great that ended up it made him plain. The one who make it up for Tatsuya character is other characters(mainly their flaws), Miyuki's "brocon", Erika's over familiar, Hattori's discrimination, Leo's short temper, etc. Got that now. I would disagree because at least the people who are attracted to him have been given reasons to be attracted to him: his sister because he saved her life at the start of the first episode; the student council president because she is after his sister and realizes that the shortest route is through him; the discipline committee member because she got the implications of his explanation at the end of the first episode (shown when she told the VP why she was interested) and realized what his talent actual was. When the plot of the story makes the MC awesome, the MC is not a Stu. This is why Kirito ultimately was not a Stu (when the entire premise of the show is that they are trapped in a MMORPG that allows characters to "level up", that the MC "level's up" is not a fault of the character, but is rather tied to the premise of the show). Tatsuya is not a Stu, because his emotionless personality is tied into why he is so strong, it's a plot development, not the author just making the MC too gosh darn awesome. That is the distinction. Now this doesn't mean that Tatsuya will prove to be a great MC, but that is a different matter, one more associated with the plot than the ability of the author to make a believable character. Too many people think "I dislike the MC therefore he is a Stu". That is not the case, far from defining something, all the word becomes is a tautology for "something I don't like". If that is the case then "Stu" has no meaning, all you have to say is "I don't like the character." Also Kirito was a beta tester for the game and so had inside information on the game that other people did not. |
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Takuan_Soho said: MShukyDeneuve said: The whole point of my statement is "Because Tatsuya is too great, it ended up made his character too plain, almost any his flaws is ignored because his greatness" He is too strong, too calm, too smart, too cool, basically a walking nuke, etc. Even his flaws not help his characterization more colorful, in the end made his greatness looks plain. got what i mean? What you mean incredible, of course Tatsuya is incredible, on story wise ,that is. Everyone strangely attracted to him because his Plainness(greatness) , resulted the your "how gosh incredible he is supposed to be". But, on characterization, he is too great that ended up it made him plain. The one who make it up for Tatsuya character is other characters(mainly their flaws), Miyuki's "brocon", Erika's over familiar, Hattori's discrimination, Leo's short temper, etc. Got that now. I would disagree because at least the people who are attracted to him have been given reasons to be attracted to him: his sister because he saved her life at the start of the first episode; the student council president because she is after his sister and realizes that the shortest route is through him; the discipline committee member because she got the implications of his explanation at the end of the first episode (shown when she told the VP why she was interested) and realized what his talent actual was. When the plot of the story makes the MC awesome, the MC is not a Stu. This is why Kirito ultimately was not a Stu (when the entire premise of the show is that they are trapped in a MMORPG that allows characters to "level up", that the MC "level's up" is not a fault of the character, but is rather tied to the premise of the show). Tatsuya is not a Stu, because his emotionless personality is tied into why he is so strong, it's a plot development, not the author just making the MC too gosh darn awesome. That is the distinction. Now this doesn't mean that Tatsuya will prove to be a great MC, but that is a different matter, one more associated with the plot than the ability of the author to make a believable character. Too many people think "I dislike the MC therefore he is a Stu". That is not the case, far from defining something, all the word becomes is a tautology for "something I don't like". If that is the case then "Stu" has no meaning, all you have to say is "I don't like the character." That's the author idea,that is why he is a plain character, he needs the other characters to make his character more colorful...Envy, love, jealously, interested toward him. Without that he is plain, a living robot. For me, Kirito is a pure Gary Stu though. The author try to give a reason why he this and that, but it still makes no sense. Have many information, beta tester, resulted he have max stats even soloing big boss...The author just need to be honest and said Kirito is using cheat(which fit with game genre) that is why he almost invincible for example, that is more believable rather than something vague and roundabout way like information this and information that. But, let say we have different idea toward Kirito. As for Tatsuya, it still make no sense though, till last vol...He actually the strongest in the world, even the aunt acknowledged she might lose 1 on 1 against Tatsuya. Again, the author try to give flaws to Tatsuya's character, but it have no effect because his greatness can kick that flaws away. It is not plot development, he already like that since episode 1 and till last vol, he still like that. We never seen he have actual problem with his battle because of his flaws for example, he just casually overpowering enemies. Until he can be defeated in a fight, then i stand on my opinion that he is nonsensically OP. And yes, the author made Tatsuya too gosh darn awesome and ended up plain. He basically have no flaw even the author try to give him ones because we never seen he truly affected by it. BUT, i think he is great MC in this series though...Yeah, that because almost all people is a bunch of douchebag. Arrogant but weakling, discrimination everywhere, bullying, a rigid society, etc. It makes Tatsuya a least bad one in a bunch of worst characters . For example, if i compare it with other series, there is time when i actually cheering/ sympathetic on enemy, because even though the enemy is evil, but he/she is a good built character. Yet, in Mahouka, all enemies is just a bunch of 2D evil who just became evil because of silly reason or did not have any good trait at all. Even Lina who is a decent one still fail in my eyes. Even though i considered Tatsuya not a Gary Stu, but i can't actually disagree on people who said he is a Stu, because for me he have Stu trait even though it can be ignored. But, if it comes to the never ending arguments situation, at least i can agree that Tatsuya is a "good" Stu. If i allowed to complain though, i want Tatsuya a bit weaker or see him struggle rather than easily crush everything on his path. Yet, he is too great that he actually can accomplished anything alone and ironically failed because of his friends influenced. |
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SinarBlood said: MShukyDeneuve said: Takuan_Soho said: MShukyDeneuve said: The whole point of my statement is "Because Tatsuya is too great, it ended up made his character too plain, almost any his flaws is ignored because his greatness" He is too strong, too calm, too smart, too cool, basically a walking nuke, etc. Even his flaws not help his characterization more colorful, in the end made his greatness looks plain. got what i mean? What you mean incredible, of course Tatsuya is incredible, on story wise ,that is. Everyone strangely attracted to him because his Plainness(greatness) , resulted the your "how gosh incredible he is supposed to be". But, on characterization, he is too great that ended up it made him plain. The one who make it up for Tatsuya character is other characters(mainly their flaws), Miyuki's "brocon", Erika's over familiar, Hattori's discrimination, Leo's short temper, etc. Got that now. I would disagree because at least the people who are attracted to him have been given reasons to be attracted to him: his sister because he saved her life at the start of the first episode; the student council president because she is after his sister and realizes that the shortest route is through him; the discipline committee member because she got the implications of his explanation at the end of the first episode (shown when she told the VP why she was interested) and realized what his talent actual was. When the plot of the story makes the MC awesome, the MC is not a Stu. This is why Kirito ultimately was not a Stu (when the entire premise of the show is that they are trapped in a MMORPG that allows characters to "level up", that the MC "level's up" is not a fault of the character, but is rather tied to the premise of the show). Tatsuya is not a Stu, because his emotionless personality is tied into why he is so strong, it's a plot development, not the author just making the MC too gosh darn awesome. That is the distinction. Now this doesn't mean that Tatsuya will prove to be a great MC, but that is a different matter, one more associated with the plot than the ability of the author to make a believable character. Too many people think "I dislike the MC therefore he is a Stu". That is not the case, far from defining something, all the word becomes is a tautology for "something I don't like". If that is the case then "Stu" has no meaning, all you have to say is "I don't like the character." I spoiler most of what you said due to it being partly spoilers and in some parts wrong and misleading. Hence my response in spoilers (which will also spoil parts of the anime if people read so you have been warned): I pretty much agree with all your points, although I don't think Angie |
krownklown said: SinarBlood said: MShukyDeneuve said: Takuan_Soho said: MShukyDeneuve said: The whole point of my statement is "Because Tatsuya is too great, it ended up made his character too plain, almost any his flaws is ignored because his greatness" He is too strong, too calm, too smart, too cool, basically a walking nuke, etc. Even his flaws not help his characterization more colorful, in the end made his greatness looks plain. got what i mean? What you mean incredible, of course Tatsuya is incredible, on story wise ,that is. Everyone strangely attracted to him because his Plainness(greatness) , resulted the your "how gosh incredible he is supposed to be". But, on characterization, he is too great that ended up it made him plain. The one who make it up for Tatsuya character is other characters(mainly their flaws), Miyuki's "brocon", Erika's over familiar, Hattori's discrimination, Leo's short temper, etc. Got that now. I would disagree because at least the people who are attracted to him have been given reasons to be attracted to him: his sister because he saved her life at the start of the first episode; the student council president because she is after his sister and realizes that the shortest route is through him; the discipline committee member because she got the implications of his explanation at the end of the first episode (shown when she told the VP why she was interested) and realized what his talent actual was. When the plot of the story makes the MC awesome, the MC is not a Stu. This is why Kirito ultimately was not a Stu (when the entire premise of the show is that they are trapped in a MMORPG that allows characters to "level up", that the MC "level's up" is not a fault of the character, but is rather tied to the premise of the show). Tatsuya is not a Stu, because his emotionless personality is tied into why he is so strong, it's a plot development, not the author just making the MC too gosh darn awesome. That is the distinction. Now this doesn't mean that Tatsuya will prove to be a great MC, but that is a different matter, one more associated with the plot than the ability of the author to make a believable character. Too many people think "I dislike the MC therefore he is a Stu". That is not the case, far from defining something, all the word becomes is a tautology for "something I don't like". If that is the case then "Stu" has no meaning, all you have to say is "I don't like the character." I spoiler most of what you said due to it being partly spoilers and in some parts wrong and misleading. Hence my response in spoilers (which will also spoil parts of the anime if people read so you have been warned): I pretty much agree with all your points, although I don't think Angie What, you're confusing something here, |
EasyGo-er said: krownklown said: SinarBlood said: MShukyDeneuve said: Takuan_Soho said: MShukyDeneuve said: The whole point of my statement is "Because Tatsuya is too great, it ended up made his character too plain, almost any his flaws is ignored because his greatness" He is too strong, too calm, too smart, too cool, basically a walking nuke, etc. Even his flaws not help his characterization more colorful, in the end made his greatness looks plain. got what i mean? What you mean incredible, of course Tatsuya is incredible, on story wise ,that is. Everyone strangely attracted to him because his Plainness(greatness) , resulted the your "how gosh incredible he is supposed to be". But, on characterization, he is too great that ended up it made him plain. The one who make it up for Tatsuya character is other characters(mainly their flaws), Miyuki's "brocon", Erika's over familiar, Hattori's discrimination, Leo's short temper, etc. Got that now. I would disagree because at least the people who are attracted to him have been given reasons to be attracted to him: his sister because he saved her life at the start of the first episode; the student council president because she is after his sister and realizes that the shortest route is through him; the discipline committee member because she got the implications of his explanation at the end of the first episode (shown when she told the VP why she was interested) and realized what his talent actual was. When the plot of the story makes the MC awesome, the MC is not a Stu. This is why Kirito ultimately was not a Stu (when the entire premise of the show is that they are trapped in a MMORPG that allows characters to "level up", that the MC "level's up" is not a fault of the character, but is rather tied to the premise of the show). Tatsuya is not a Stu, because his emotionless personality is tied into why he is so strong, it's a plot development, not the author just making the MC too gosh darn awesome. That is the distinction. Now this doesn't mean that Tatsuya will prove to be a great MC, but that is a different matter, one more associated with the plot than the ability of the author to make a believable character. Too many people think "I dislike the MC therefore he is a Stu". That is not the case, far from defining something, all the word becomes is a tautology for "something I don't like". If that is the case then "Stu" has no meaning, all you have to say is "I don't like the character." I spoiler most of what you said due to it being partly spoilers and in some parts wrong and misleading. Hence my response in spoilers (which will also spoil parts of the anime if people read so you have been warned): I pretty much agree with all your points, although I don't think Angie What, you're confusing something here, Yes and no |
My thing is though, his ability must be used actively by him to heal others, but its passive or automatic for him and remember he is not healing he is |
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odysseyrh said: Confucius said: theirs a 13 month difference its like over here in the states if your bday is after lets say august you have to wait a year to start school so Tatsuya is 1 year old but (using my example) born in September he starts school at age 6 where as his sis is 1 year younger but born in august she gets to start school at age 5 so they both start school at the same timeIn episode 1, the guy claims they aren't twins, but they were born on different months. Is it actually possible to give birth to one kid in one month and another one in the next? In this case, school year in Japan starts with April and ends with March the following year. As an example, Tatsuya who was born in April 2013 is the oldest one while Miyuki who was born in March 2014 is the youngest one in their school year. Both were able to attend the same year because they're considered to be of the same age based on the Japanese's school system. This means that there's 11 months gap between them. Many were confused because they thought the siblings were born on the same year while it's actually not and this was only made possible because of the Japanese's school system. |
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