Why do so many anime fans here think people who prefer older anime only like them for nostalgia factor?
ButNotForMe said: Macross F is really bad, and people here rate it higher than Macross Plus, lol ButNotForMe said: Just look at the Jump, Japan is really going down ButNotForMe said: The Anime industry is shrinking There is no more variety But Not For Me |
jal90 said: ButNotForMe said: Macross F is really bad, and people here rate it higher than Macross Plus, lol ButNotForMe said: Just look at the Jump, Japan is really going down ButNotForMe said: The Anime industry is shrinking There is no more variety But Not For Me Is a good song by Chet Baker |
| Like Hayao Miyazaki said, the Japan Anime industry is full of otaku who never spends time observing what people do in real life, which make the products suck, especially most of the light novel shit like infinite stratos and SAO. For comic, OP, started from 1997 is still dominating the market. Both Bleach and Naruto are dying. There are some promising series in jump now but they will never reach the height of DB and SD |
| It is so dense. Every single image has so many things going on. |
BatoKusanagi said: I don't really get the 'nostalgia' thing. I watched Bebop and gave a 10, did I have 'nostalgia' for an anime I had just finished? Or is the claim the, say, Bebop get PRAISED now only because of 'nostalgia'? This point makes more sense, having good memories of an anime is different than "liking it because of nostalgia". The main difference is that nostalgia creates a warped and inaccurate view of something, similar to how a child will look up to a movie star or music artist believing them to be the ideal role model. It mixes too much romanticism into the fantasy and creates delusions. I finished Slam Dunk last month. I thought it was great, I gave it a 9. Nostalgia is not a necessity in order to appreciate and enjoy older titles. However, I noticed many of the 1990s enthusiasts who praised it in KnB vs SD discussions would conveniently leave out all of its flaws and problems, and bash KnB for everything that Slam Dunk does anyway. For example, people say the characters are too archetype'd in KnB, yet in Slam Dunk every main character is a popular archetype from that time period. Turning a blind eye is when it goes from preference to nostalgia, the only Americans who are going to say "man, I sure miss the 1930s, those were the glory days!" are going to be white men who had the luxury of a good life prior to the Civil Rights Movement. |
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| Well, because older anime ARE better than newer anime mostly. Consider anime as literature. It's all about appreciation. How many anime of recent times have deep and thought-provoking themes infused into them? |
Robin6128 said: Well, because older anime ARE better than newer anime mostly. Consider anime as literature. It's all about appreciation. How many anime of recent times have deep and thought-provoking themes infused into them? Shinsekai Yori, Steins Gate? |
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| It is true that nostalgia plays a role in the case of older anime, but the most important thing for why we appreciate older anime is because they were very very good.. pralan said: Robin6128 said: Well, because older anime ARE better than newer anime mostly. Consider anime as literature. It's all about appreciation. How many anime of recent times have deep and thought-provoking themes infused into them? Shinsekai Yori, Steins Gate? That's like less than 1% of the newer anime. Also, compare the best of newer anime and older anime, and you can clearly see the winner. |
Kagami_Hiiragi said: Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money. |
skyzblue said: It is true that nostalgia plays a role in the case of older anime, but the most important thing for why we appreciate older anime is because they were very very good.. pralan said: Robin6128 said: Well, because older anime ARE better than newer anime mostly. Consider anime as literature. It's all about appreciation. How many anime of recent times have deep and thought-provoking themes infused into them? Shinsekai Yori, Steins Gate? That's like less than 1% of the newer anime. Also, compare the best of newer anime and older anime, and you can clearly see the winner. In the one that Monster and Gintama belongs, since there 2 years of difference between both Rashkolnikov said: pralan said: Robin6128 said: Well, because older anime ARE better than newer anime mostly. Consider anime as literature. It's all about appreciation. How many anime of recent times have deep and thought-provoking themes infused into them? Shinsekai Yori, Steins Gate? no Yes |
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| Come back when a 21st century TV anime sells more than EVA in Japan then we can talk |
| It is so dense. Every single image has so many things going on. |
pralan said: skyzblue said: It is true that nostalgia plays a role in the case of older anime, but the most important thing for why we appreciate older anime is because they were very very good.. pralan said: Robin6128 said: Well, because older anime ARE better than newer anime mostly. Consider anime as literature. It's all about appreciation. How many anime of recent times have deep and thought-provoking themes infused into them? Shinsekai Yori, Steins Gate? That's like less than 1% of the newer anime. Also, compare the best of newer anime and older anime, and you can clearly see the winner. In the one that Monster and Gintama belongs, since there 2 years of difference between them I take it you haven't heard of Utena and Lain, and also a small anime known as LOGH. Also, Monster came in 2004, so it was before the 'moe crap' era began. |
Kagami_Hiiragi said: Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money. |
ButNotForMe said: Come back when a TV anime in this century sales more than EVA then we can talk You could at least name a franchise that hasn't tried to adjust itself to the newer trends so badly. |
| moetrash began with haruhi suzumiya and kon was its finest conclusion, kyoani must die |
| It is so dense. Every single image has so many things going on. |
ButNotForMe said: That'll be hard when people like you go about supporting Steins Gate.moetrash began with haruhi suzumiya and kon was its finest conclusion, kyoani must die |
skyzblue said: I take it you haven't heard of Utena and Lain, and also a small anime known as LOGH. Also, Monster came in 2004, so it was before the 'moe crap' era began. Lain=8 LOGH is in my PTW And i heard about Utena. Shinsekai Yori > Old Anime Ashita No Joe > New Anime Monster and Gintama > Both Mod Edit: quote tower fixed. |
ThangLongFeb 21, 2014 8:27 AM
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ButNotForMe said: moetrash began with haruhi suzumiya and kon was its finest conclusion, kyoani must die Well, they also gave Hyouka.. Lets kill them anyway ( unless they announce a season 2 of it) |
Kagami_Hiiragi said: Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money. |
Ckan said: ButNotForMe said: That'll be hard when people like you go about supporting Steins Gate.moetrash began with haruhi suzumiya and kon was its finest conclusion, kyoani must die Moetrash began with the 1990s |
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pralan said: Lain=8 LOGH is in my PTW And i heard about Utena. Shinsekai Yori > Old Anime Ashita No Joe > New Anime Monster and Gintama > Both It's amusing to see how confidently you can troll yourself |
Kagami_Hiiragi said: Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money. |
Ratohnhaketon said: We have to go deeper. Back to the beginning!Ckan said: ButNotForMe said: That'll be hard when people like you go about supporting Steins Gate.moetrash began with haruhi suzumiya and kon was its finest conclusion, kyoani must die Moetrash began with the 1990s |
| http://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/a/image/1336/92/1336922621817.jpg http://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/a/image/1345/41/1345415029930.png https://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/a/image/1337/69/1337694138271.jpg Sure, after Haruhi skyzblue said: pralan said: Lain=8 LOGH is in my PTW And i heard about Utena. Shinsekai Yori > Old Anime Ashita No Joe > New Anime Monster and Gintama > Both It's amusing to see how confidently you can troll yourself Maybe that is the point? |
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pralan said: http://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/a/image/1336/92/1336922621817.jpg http://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/a/image/1345/41/1345415029930.png https://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/a/image/1337/69/1337694138271.jpg Sure, after Haruhi http://imageshack.com/a/img526/6411/animeswt.jpg Conclusion: new anime > old anime |
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pralan said: http://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/a/image/1336/92/1336922621817.jpg http://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/a/image/1345/41/1345415029930.png https://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/a/image/1337/69/1337694138271.jpg Sure, after Haruhi skyzblue said: pralan said: Lain=8 LOGH is in my PTW And i heard about Utena. Shinsekai Yori > Old Anime Ashita No Joe > New Anime Monster and Gintama > Both It's amusing to see how confidently you can troll yourself Maybe that is the point? *SLOW CLAP* |
Kagami_Hiiragi said: Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money. |
| haruhi started the trend of light novel anime, and most of the light novel animes are one-dimensional with the same school setting and set of characters kon started the trend of moe without substance (motherfucking tea) then there were infinite stratos, oreimo, haganai lel |
| It is so dense. Every single image has so many things going on. |
Rashkolnikov said: Litrydow said: pralan said: http://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/a/image/1336/92/1336922621817.jpg http://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/a/image/1345/41/1345415029930.png https://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/a/image/1337/69/1337694138271.jpg Sure, after Haruhi http://imageshack.com/a/img526/6411/animeswt.jpg Conclusion: new anime > old anime Biased and troll pictures. Conclusion: new anime = old anime. Yes, new anime = old anime. People that say new anime is objectly better is as bad as people that say that older anime is objectly better. "Moe trash" has begun when anime has begun. skyzblue said: *SLOW CLAP* Slow clap |
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| The only things that actually improved through time was visuals and sound, just due to improved technology... |
Robin6128 said: The only things that actually improved through time was visuals and sound, just due to improved technology... new matrix version of boobs...never forget that. |
Kagami_Hiiragi said: Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money. |
ButNotForMe said: You seem new to this. Azumanga Daioh precedes K-On with the 'doing nothing' 4-koma style. I suppose that's already faded out of memory now. Sucks getting old.haruhi started the trend of light novel anime, and most of the light novel animes are one-dimensional with the same school setting and set of characters kon started the trend of moe without substance (motherfucking tea) then there were infinite stratos, oreimo, haganai lel |
Ckan said: ButNotForMe said: You seem new to this. Azumanga Daioh precedes K-On with the 'doing nothing' 4-koma style. I suppose that's already faded out of memory now.haruhi started the trend of light novel anime, and most of the light novel animes are one-dimensional with the same school setting and set of characters kon started the trend of moe without substance (motherfucking tea) then there were infinite stratos, oreimo, haganai lel Know the difference |
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pralan said: B-but how can this be!? Propaganda, spread by the enemy.Ckan said: ButNotForMe said: You seem new to this. Azumanga Daioh precedes K-On with the 'doing nothing' 4-koma style. I suppose that's already faded out of memory now.lel Know the difference |
Rashkolnikov said: Guess I've been watching the wrong shows then. Yes, you have watched only the 2 wrong options |
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| Both KON and LS sold better than Azumanga Daioh because they had more moe elements, not because they were funnier |
| It is so dense. Every single image has so many things going on. |
| Then you agreed that Azumanga is better than both? |
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| I'll shut up about nostalgia crap when it looks like you aren't basing your tastes around nostalgia. I'm not saying that the classics are bad by any means, but It really DOES seem like the majority of anime fans that only like old anime, do so for the nostalgia factor. Most of the "oldies," as I'll call 'em, never doing anything but cherry pick and thus blindly complain about modern day anime like they are a bunch of grumpy old people, despite how anime has clearly advanced as a medium and has done things the only classics are capable of dreaming of doing. Almost to the point where you're afraid they might start going, "Back in my day..." Followed by, "FUCKING KIDS! Get off my lawn!" |
KorrvoFeb 19, 2014 8:25 AM
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Korrvo said: I'll shut up about nostalgia crap when it looks like you aren't basing your tastes around nostalgia. It really DOES seem like the majority of anime fans that only like old anime, do so for the nostalgia character. None of the "oldies" as I'll call 'em, ever doing anything but cherry pick and thus blindly complain about modern day anime like they are grumpy old people. Almost to the point where you're afraid they might start going, "Back in my day..." Followed by, "FUCKING KIDS! Get off my lawn!" T-THAT'S A LIE, GRANDPA! |
Kagami_Hiiragi said: Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money. |
| Because we only remember the good thing from the past and forget the bad thing. |
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NeoAnkara said: Rather, we remember the good things better than they were, and the bad things worse.Because we only remember the good thing from the past and forget the bad thing. |
Ckan said: I'm not sure if I'm should be happy or not but there aren't any anime bad enough that air in my country when I was a little (or it just because I don't know what bad is back then).NeoAnkara said: Rather, we remember the good things better than they were, and the bad things worse.Because we only remember the good thing from the past and forget the bad thing. |
| Kickstarter for Rokujouma is fully funded. Good work everyone. Lets wait for the result of our hard work together. |
NeoAnkara said: Ckan said: I'm not sure if I'm should be happy or not but there aren't any anime bad enough that air in my country when I was a little (or it just because I don't know what bad is back then).NeoAnkara said: Rather, we remember the good things better than they were, and the bad things worse.Because we only remember the good thing from the past and forget the bad thing. Maybe, because u were little? Your taste may change now. |
Korrvo said: I'll shut up about nostalgia crap when it looks like you aren't basing your tastes around nostalgia. I'm not saying that the classics are bad by any means, but It really DOES seem like the majority of anime fans that only like old anime, do so for the nostalgia factor. Most of the "oldies," as I'll call 'em, never doing anything but cherry pick and thus blindly complain about modern day anime like they are a bunch of grumpy old people, despite how anime has clearly advanced as a medium and has done things the only classics are capable of dreaming of doing. Almost to the point where you're afraid they might start going, "Back in my day..." Followed by, "FUCKING KIDS! Get off my lawn!" Bullshit. You're probably talking about the 2 or 3 very vocal annoyances in the MAL Forum, like MajinSaga and stanklem and base your opinion on them just because they're so vocal all the time. But if you WANT to think that every older anime is only liked because of nostalgia, arguments or common sense will not be enough to convince you otherwise. I don't like pure nostalgiafags as much as the next guy, but people like you are worse. At least they cherrypick and rant without any basis about anime, and not other people. People who rant about modern day anime all the time are a seperate breed from people who just DONT HATE EVERYTHING BECAUSE IT'S OLD. Obviously you'll always hear the loud rants of the nostalgiafags and you won't hear the non-complaints of regular fans -> Conclusion: There are no regular fans because you don't hear about them all the time. Silly. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| The silent majority sure sucks at this 'being heard' thing. I wonder why. |
Higashi_no_Kaze said: Apparently the use of the word "seem" and this:Korrvo said: I'll shut up about nostalgia crap when it looks like you aren't basing your tastes around nostalgia. I'm not saying that the classics are bad by any means, but It really DOES seem like the majority of anime fans that only like old anime, do so for the nostalgia factor. Most of the "oldies," as I'll call 'em, never doing anything but cherry pick and thus blindly complain about modern day anime like they are a bunch of grumpy old people, despite how anime has clearly advanced as a medium and has done things the only classics are capable of dreaming of doing. Almost to the point where you're afraid they might start going, "Back in my day..." Followed by, "FUCKING KIDS! Get off my lawn!" Bullshit. You're probably talking about the 2 or 3 very vocal annoyances in the MAL Forum, like MajinSaga and stanklem and base your opinion on them just because they're so vocal all the time. But if you WANT to think that every older anime is only liked because of nostalgia, arguments or common sense will not be enough to convince you otherwise. I don't like pure nostalgiafags as much as the next guy, but people like you are worse. At least they cherrypick and rant without any basis about anime, and not other people. People who rant about modern day anime all the time are a seperate breed from people who just DONT HATE EVERYTHING BECAUSE IT'S OLD. Obviously you'll always hear the loud rants of the nostalgiafags and you won't hear the non-complaints of regular fans -> Conclusion: There are no regular fans because you don't hear about them all the time. Silly. I'm not saying that the classics are bad by any means.. ..means nothing to you. Don't put words in my mouth. |
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| @Korrvo: Just by saying you're not saying what you're saying, you're not actually not saying what you're really saying. Just sayin'. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| Because people on this forum seem to be overly protective of their own tastes and are very close minded towards other peoples preferences. Calling other peoples tastes 'shit' and telling you the reasons why you watch those animes occur mindlessly on a daily basis. So what if you prefer older anime, it doesn't have to be for simply 'nostalgia'. It's a whole different kettle of fish when you compare modern day animes and some of the works that came out during the 90s. I can't even begin to fathom why people just pin the reasoning for you liking them due to overusage of nostalgia goggles. They're a different breed of anime, a whole other set of aesthetics. I myself prefer the background artwork for a lot of the older animes because it feels like they have a lot of heart in them, and they're not just part of a formula to create a setting. Nothing to do with nostalgia, just personal preference. |
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Vexper said: Because people on this forum seem to be overly protective of their own tastes and are very close minded towards other peoples preferences. Calling other peoples tastes 'shit' and telling you the reasons why you watch those animes occur mindlessly on a daily basis. So what if you prefer older anime, it doesn't have to be for simply 'nostalgia'. It's a whole different kettle of fish when you compare modern day animes and some of the works that came out during the 90s. I can't even begin to fathom why people just pin the reasoning for you liking them due to overusage of nostalgia goggles. They're a different breed of anime, a whole other set of aesthetics. I myself prefer the background artwork for a lot of the older animes because it feels like they have a lot of heart in them, and they're not just part of a formula to create a setting. Nothing to do with nostalgia, just personal preference. This is exactly what I was trying to say with my post, but I failed at it. At least YOU got your point across properly. :) |
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Rashkolnikov said: Who are you?You again with your old argument "don't put words in my mouth" "you're ignoring what I'm saying" "you don't know how to read". Not this again. Yea, I do end up doing that a lot, but that's because a lot of people tend to be really single-minded when they read and only focus on parts they want to focus on. Though in this case.. Higashi_no_Kaze said: ..I probably could have just worded it better. I should have probably also said "some" instead of "most", but I never implied that the only reason the classics were good was because of nostalgia factor.@Korrvo: Just by saying you're not saying what you're saying, you're not actually not saying what you're really saying. Just sayin'. And yes, I was directing at my post at primarily nostalgiafags like you said. Probably should have made that clear too. Zzz it's fucking morning shut uuuuup.. |
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