| Don't even bother replying to tsudecimo. He's only here to troll. |
| Having a different opinion = trolling? mhm. I already made a thread about this, which you can see I was serious at it. |
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tsudecimo said: 100+ posts, objective completed. You can stop your little flame war now. You made the thread to start a shitstorm. |
ThisIsDK said: tsudecimo said: 100+ posts, objective completed. You can stop your little flame war now. You made the thread to start a shitstorm. That was about that flame war they were having I let it slide and didn't report, that was the meaning of my post. If I wanted to create a shitstorm I wouldn't go through the effort of making an opening post with stuff to discuss or respond to other people seriously. I could have just said in the OP : '' Kirino sucks, Manami is way better than her and she doesn't deserve hate. Discuss.'' but I didn't. |
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| Even if you people are defending Manami because you think she did the right thing for stopping the incest relationship, you forget she basically turns Kyousuke into a lazy ambition-less person. She said Kyousuke was not the amazing person he thought he was. That's complete bullcrap, he was amazing because he was a hardworker, which she completely took away. If I was depressed and my friend told me that, I'd think twice about ever talking to them ever again. |
| (>'_')># ~Here's a waffle, please calm down... "See that? She's cute and popular. You could say that her milkshakes bring all the boys to the yard. But YOU club President... your milkshakes are wasted on you. In other words, you're wasteful." ~D-Frag (Best.Reference.Ever.) |
| I never ever though manami would be evil... |
Kryoburn said: I never ever though manami would be evil... Yeah but the truth is she actually is and I guess I just dislike her after seeing what happened |
 Yahallo! Yatta! Baka! <!  "Humans, your existence was a mistake. Conflicts, lies, jealously, greed. You once caused me to lose everything and today I will devour everything... Because I am the Valkyrie Goddess"> |
| Well now that I think about it, yeah I guess it's kinda true about her "normal" behavior, like when she cleans Kyousuke's house, she deliberately leaves some dirt (Kirino pointed it out and Kyousuke scolded her), Also Kuroneko compared her to demons a couple of times, no? I remember she called her a succubus at least once (google succubus to see her powers) that would be fitting. Still... somehow I like her for no reason, I'm just a normal guy who likes normal stuff I guess(plus anime/manga). Side note, resembles the process of hardening a character in Dragon age origins (game) when you talk to them after some meaningful event and their personalities change a little, except that she softened him. |
| Man Manami was a lot cooler than I thought she was! (after watching the last episode of the OVAs) |
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| Well I did like her or hate her during the two season but now I admire her in a psychopathic way... Ghost-Lightning said: ZombieKun said: yea....she is so creepy than ayase that is why Ayase played the Yandere route that time.... |
daime17Aug 19, 2013 4:42 AM
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Luismac023 said: indeed she was a bitch, there is a lot discussion about been in love with siblings or inbreeding, my opinion in this matter is let them be, I respect other opinions, back in the past it was consider an honor to marry your brother or sister, Cleopatra was married to 2 of her young brothers. In my country its so tabbo that they blame down syndrome on inbreeding. Cleopatra also owned slaves your point? Times change incest is taboo in pretty much all civilized parts of the world |
| These kinds of topics are always fun to read! From people with no real arguments that do nothing other than flame to interesting points of views shared by others users. The route both the anime and the LN have taken is the Kirino route. For that particular route, Manami was the perfect antagonist or 'last boss'. Between the girls that might've ended up with Kyousuke, Manami and Kirino are the ones who have known him the longest, almost all of his life actually, and would've been the biggest obstacle in the way of the other should they love Kyousuke romantically. Considering that the author most likely wanted to end with Kirino since the beginning it's only natural that he would at some point reveal information that would make Manami an actual villain, because the story needed one. The kind of relationship Kirino and Kyousuke want is frowned upon by most people, so it's a problem that has to be adressed, and who better than Kirino's biggest obstacle to bring it up with them? There is no real doubt that Manami was 'evil' because of the simple fact that she had to be. You could blame the author because his decision brought a lot of hate to the character, but there's not much point in that. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As for romantic relationships between relatives and incest in general... I think the main reason why people have a problem with it it's because those kinds of relationships are incredibly rare. You don't see people in the streets with giant signs saying ''I'm having sex with my sister/brother!'', and you can't actually tell if two people that you see on a date have that kind of relationship (unless they're twins or something like that). Because of that, you have to form your opinion based on other people's opinions... or your own personal inclination. The same has happened with homosexuality in the past, people saying: - I could never see myself loving another person of the same sex, nor do I know anyone who is in that type of relationship, therefore I doubt it's normal behavior I'm not saying that's the base of everyone's opinions but rather take it as an exampe on how someone's views could be influenced by the fact that they don't have experience in those kinds of things nor have they ever seen them. A naturally formed incestual relationship between siblings (meaning that it happened without any of them being forced or into it) in today's society is an almost impossible thing to happen. Simply because siblings that have lived most of their lives together tend to fall into the category of people you litterally can't bring yourself to see in that light. Most people also fear being considered outcasts or abnormal, so even if they harbor those kinds of feelings towards relatives, they won't act on it. If they are in that type of relationship, they won't expose it. I'm certain that it will eventually be openly accepted, though. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My personal opinion is that there's nothing wrong with incest as long as it isn't forced, as I don't condone sexual harrassment in any shape or form. |
AloxamaxAug 19, 2013 1:09 PM
"Rejoice! We are humans— we are the most talented people! Precisely because we were born without any ability— we can achieve anything— this is the will of the weakest race!" – Sora, ‘No game No life Vol.01’ |
Aloxamax said: There is no real doubt that Manami was 'evil' because of the simple fact that she had to be. You could blame the author because his decision brought a lot of hate to the character, but there's not much point in that. She didn't have to be "evil" to be an obstacle. She only needed to think rationally and say what's on her mind. She was making perfect sense in her final monologue and at least the "lovers" will know now how most of the world will react to their relationship. It's good that the show ended when it did because if it went on for another season it wouldn't have been a romantic comedy anymore (if the author wasn't completely deluded). If we can forgive Kyousuke for wanting (and planning) to make sweet love to his little sister, I think we can forgive Manami too. |
| Kirino FTW. |
| Well, not talking about whether I like the ending or Manami herself, I must admit this theory perfectly fits the story. Specially since it creates a need for the character Manami, since before I really couldn´t put a finger on why she is even there to begin with. Evil? Maybe, though it feels like she was intented to be that way, so it is just brilliant. |
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| What I didn't like about her was that she was a snake wearing a smile. One to stab you in the back or spread lies about you whilst pretending to be your friend kind of person. At least people who dislike you are up front about it. Shes the kind of character to play the game till right at the end and strike for victory when you least suspect her or to poison your mind to weaken you, make you dependent. But in terms of the show its 50/50 First telling a young kid who looks up to her brother than she can't love him or hanging out with him is creepy or perverse is just wrong. It broke down her only real friendship she had at the time and her idol too, which is kind of a nasty thing to do to a person in general. Second she also broke down Kyousuke too, he was an outgoing confident stand up guy but she made sure to drag him down, make him reliant on her, to only go to her for advice, to basically control his actions and shape him into what she wanted, somebody to be influenced and even put a wedge between normal loving siblings and caused all the problems that happen later on by planting that seed in their minds that if the siblings love each other its not normal but perverse even if it started out as normal family love. Regardless if her opinions on their relationship is socially valid or not, you don't do that kind of thing to a person you really care about. and yeah I do ship kirino and kyousuke basically because its not reality its an anime and law has a habit of not been built around individuals or situations but as general broad terms which cannot account for individuals lives or feelings. Is the subject wrong in the real world? probably yeah but in an anime and judging it based on the two characters involved, it seems to me even if its against the law its the right thing for them to be together and as long as they dont cause the end of the world or cause any trouble for anyone else, why shouldn't they be together, life is short and full of others forcing ideals and rules onto people even if all it does is make somebody miserable. It doesn't really hurt anyone to let the two be together. |
SpooksSep 19, 2013 12:51 PM
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| She is fucking annoying, and people like her irl are fucking annoying too |
| I'm glad others realize how much of a bitch this character is... At first I liked her during the series but the more I got to see of her actual character I started to hate her. Im just now reading the light novels but so far I dont like her in that either. |
| since when does honest = evil ?? symbv said: ^ Thanks. Manami has been named the "last boss" since back in 1st season but I still feel a bit sad that the author resorted to pulling down Manami's character so low so that he could portray Kirino in much better light. yeah, I agree with you. Actually I think Manami is the victim here. Kirino hated her ever since they were little coz she was jealous of her relationship with her brother. of course that is explainable coz she was just a child. HOWEVER, Manami was also a child when she told Kirino that it's creepy for a girl to fall in love with her bbrother "she is right BTW -.-" Also, Manami didn't say anything bad to Kirino, she just told her the truth. That the brother "kirino" in love with only exists in her imagination. By the end Kirino herself admits that herself. So, Manami was just honestly advicing Kirino to forget about her ideals and love her brother as he is "in a normal standard". AND, DO NOT FORGET THAT MINAMI IS THE ONE WHO PUSHED KYOUSUKE TO DATE KURONEKO. With that said. she is not as evil as you make her seem to be. she is just an honest girl. I think it's not fair that Kyousuke and Kuroneko break up for Kirino. It's just not fair. |
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| Before this topic I didn't think that an anime and its characters could be this deeply built by an author. It is interesting to read different ideas even tough it is hard for everyone to truly listen to what others have to say eventually. But there is no point, Manami was set to be the final boss of this story. Moreover, I started to feel like I have to read the LN now... but Amazon doesn't send it to Italy D: |
ElfinMint said: I will show you Manami`s full evil plan. http://i.imgur.com/mcb84AE.jpg?1 Manami is literally a psychopath. Nobody can say something like this with that kind of tone of voice and expression and not be fucked up in the head and a right cunt as well. Rarely do you see characters as vile as her in anime, even the supposedly "evil" guys are usually far more noble. at least she kicked off the incest route, but goddamn is she hateable. Back in S1, she was a bit plain compared to the others but still a nice and homely girl, some people just want a normal relaxed life with a cute girl you know. Now she's just pure evil. She is also obsessed about the concept of being normal, every single thing she does is for the sake of being normal, if she makes some meal she will not be happy until she does a "normal" meal, she says herself she can only do the normal thing in every aspect, she will do it again until it tastes normal, she hates everything above normal as much she hates things below her messed up normal standard, she is also the reason Kyosuke ended up with Kirino, is common for little girls to be very attached with their relatives to the point of saying they want to marry them in the future while they are unaware of the full meaning of the marriage, because Manami, brother and sister turned out detached from each other to the point Kyosuke perceived Kirino as a stranger, also made Kirino tramatized person, traumatized with her complex making her unable to forget childish play, then when they got close again Manami got a healthy male living close with a model level beauty as the best romantic option, and made the childish brother complex of Kirino grow into full blown romantic love, I am pretty sure to say Manami is a psycho who messed things up for herself due her obsession. >Pushing other girls onto kyousuke to keep him from spending time with kirino with full intentions to break their hearts later anyways. FRIENDSHIP? She's cunning that way. She supports the other girls so that it will break up the network of friends, destroy their relationships and isolate Kyousuke... and then along comes Manami to pick up the pieces while he's down, just like before. Afterall, Manami knows it is easier to beat one girl than it is to beat 6. Manami is the 8man of oriemo, she took the fall trying to prevent that disgusting incestuous union. Manami = 100% Chaotic Evil I agree with what you said. They initially showed her as nice and boring. The least likable girl for me personally. Then she revealed what a psychopatic obsessive disturbed person she was, makes me sick. On the other hand, I must say it was perfectly presented, so from that standpoint, it is quite amazing. She's just the perfect evil cunt you'd imagine her to be. Never liked her, and never will. I kind of had the feeling she is rotten inside, and my instincts were right. In my opinion, her other side makes perfect sense and, once again, it's perfectly presented. |
Kisaki said: since when does honest = evil ?? symbv said: ^ Thanks. Manami has been named the "last boss" since back in 1st season but I still feel a bit sad that the author resorted to pulling down Manami's character so low so that he could portray Kirino in much better light. yeah, I agree with you. Actually I think Manami is the victim here. Kirino hated her ever since they were little coz she was jealous of her relationship with her brother. of course that is explainable coz she was just a child. HOWEVER, Manami was also a child when she told Kirino that it's creepy for a girl to fall in love with her bbrother "she is right BTW -.-" Also, Manami didn't say anything bad to Kirino, she just told her the truth. That the brother "kirino" in love with only exists in her imagination. By the end Kirino herself admits that herself. So, Manami was just honestly advicing Kirino to forget about her ideals and love her brother as he is "in a normal standard". AND, DO NOT FORGET THAT MINAMI IS THE ONE WHO PUSHED KYOUSUKE TO DATE KURONEKO. With that said. she is not as evil as you make her seem to be. she is just an honest girl. I think it's not fair that Kyousuke and Kuroneko break up for Kirino. It's just not fair. Yeah, but she did it because of herself, he convinced her it was not normal. Who are we to judge what is normal anyway? If you were in love with your sister, would you care what being 'normal' is? Fuck being normal. Being normal is the worst thing you can do. Everyone should live the life they want to, not pretending you are something you're not. |
Godyl said: Before this topic I didn't think that an anime and its characters could be this deeply built by an author. It is interesting to read different ideas even tough it is hard for everyone to truly listen to what others have to say eventually. But there is no point, Manami was set to be the final boss of this story. Moreover, I started to feel like I have to read the LN now... but Amazon doesn't send it to Italy D: I got the same urge. Reading what you said left me with idea. I think they should have hinted Manami's psychopathic nature a bit more in the series, not just near the end of second season. |
| Manami second best grill. Kuroneko best grill. Kirino worst grill. |
| Doesn't change the fact that Kuroneko is best girl. |
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| Is it bad to try to prevent incest (even if she jumped the gun) and convincing a person that it is ok that they are not perfect? |
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| i know that what manami did was bad, but i feel like I can't hate her for what she'd done. she's the one who've been inlove with kyouske the longest so i feel like she deserves to be with kyouske |
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| I don't get it. She seemed simple and sweet even if not beautiful. I saw the last few specials and still felt the same. Ayase best for sure though. |
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