| Gintama Enchousen's high rating is due to its comparatively small but extremely dedicated fanbase. People who dislike the show would have most likely dropped it during the first season, and only those who truly enjoy it have continued on to the third season. |
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| WHY THE FUCK IS THIS SHOW THAT'S NOT MY FUCKING FAVORITE AT THE TOP OF THE FUCKING LIST WHY ISN'T MY FAVORITE GODDAMN GUILTY CROWN AT NUMBER 1 I LIKE IT SO ITS THE BEST |
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Luxanna said: Gintama Enchousen's high rating is due to its comparatively small but extremely dedicated fanbase. People who dislike the show would have most likely dropped it during the first season, and only those who truly enjoy it have continued on to the third season. Yeah basically this^ |
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iAmChen said: Luxanna said: Gintama Enchousen's high rating is due to its comparatively small but extremely dedicated fanbase. People who dislike the show would have most likely dropped it during the first season, and only those who truly enjoy it have continued on to the third season. oh okay, now i understand why, and cmon gintama lovers, don't rage that much, chill. It's got nothing to do with Gintama lovers and all to do with the fact everyone sees this same goddamn thread 10 times a day every single fucking day. |
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Orthros said: If 14,000 people rate it 9-10, clearly it deserves its score. Try 100k+ |
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| I think it's taking advantage of MAL's rating system, but I'm not sure. After all, I haven't actually seen it. |
yhunata said: Orthros said: If 14,000 people rate it 9-10, clearly it deserves its score. Try 100k+ This. To be truly considered a creme de la creme (best of the best, high royalty status) anime it needs much more votes and an universal acclaim. The other solution is to group the direct sequels into the same show rating - so all multi season shows will be rated by a single grade - not a seperate grade for each season. |
Forgetfulness said: Typical MAL, doing MAL things.Alexx_ said: Yes it's only you, you dirty rebel. Of course this post had to appear, because it's MAL |
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Orthros said: If 14,000 people rate it 9-10, clearly it deserves its score. How does that apply to Gintama' Enchousen? It's only been scored by 5503 users. |
| The better question is why is LOGH not #1? It's not even in the top 5. ;_; |
Manservice said: Orthros said: If 14,000 people rate it 9-10, clearly it deserves its score. How does that apply to Gintama' Enchousen? It's only been scored by 5503 users. Entry=/= score Exactly, now look at Gintama'. 16000 votes. Barely over a tenth of the votes FMA;B got and there is still only a little difference. |
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yhunata said: Well using popularity for the score is dangerous. The only problem with this site is that sequels get a larger score than the prequels(especially for those series that have like 3 or 5 sequels). I always see people asking if they can skip like 3 seasons of an anime to watch the last season because it's rated higher.Manservice said: Orthros said: If 14,000 people rate it 9-10, clearly it deserves its score. How does that apply to Gintama' Enchousen? It's only been scored by 5503 users. Entry=/= score Exactly, now look at Gintama'. 16000 votes. Barely over a tenth of the votes FMA;B got and there is still only a little difference. I think they should share haters, bring some of the low scorers from the previous prequels and share them with the sequels. |
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Forgetfulness said: Fengr said: yhunata said: Orthros said: If 14,000 people rate it 9-10, clearly it deserves its score. Try 100k+ This. To be truly considered a creme de la creme (best of the best, high royalty status) anime it needs much more votes and an universal acclaim. The other solution is to group the direct sequels into the same show rating - so all multi season shows will be rated by a single grade - not a seperate grade for each season. What if one season is vastly better/worse than another? I'm sure a lot of people don't consider the two Darker than Black seasons similar I think what he meant was, count the series as the same. Obviously, people who dropped the first season won't watch the second thus affecting it's singular rating. But if combined, their ratings still count. It's the serie's fault that it flopped in one of it's seasons. IntroverTurtle said: yhunata said: Well using popularity for the score is dangerous. The only problem with this site is that sequels get a larger score than the prequels(especially for those series that have like 3 or 5 sequels). I always see people asking if they can skip like 3 seasons of an anime to watch the last season because it's rated higher.Manservice said: Orthros said: If 14,000 people rate it 9-10, clearly it deserves its score. How does that apply to Gintama' Enchousen? It's only been scored by 5503 users. Entry=/= score Exactly, now look at Gintama'. 16000 votes. Barely over a tenth of the votes FMA;B got and there is still only a little difference. What I meant was; suppose x is the no. of voters (conditions applied) and y is the total rating. The rating is calculated y/x. If x was lower, it has a higher chance of a single vote influencing y. However, if x was higher, then the y will seem more appropriate. Does that make sense (I suck at explaining, don't I?)? |
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yhunata said: Yes that makes sense, check out their formula to see if it matches up though.What I meant was; suppose x is the no. of voters (conditions applied) and y is the total rating. The rating is calculated y/x. If x was lower, it has a higher chance of a single vote influencing y. However, if x was higher, then the y will seem more appropriate. Does that make sense (I suck at explaining, don't I?)? How are top anime/manga scores calculated? Only scores where a user has completed at least 1/5 of the anime/manga are calculated. Example: If you watched a 26 episode series, this means you would had to have watched at least 5 episodes (26/5.2)=5. We're using 5.2 instead of 5 so we get a whole number for "most" series. Formula Weighted Rank (WR) = (v / (v + m)) * S + (m / (v + m)) * C S = Average score for the Anime (mean). v = Number of votes for the Anime = (Number of people scoring the Anime). m = Minimum votes/scores required to get a calculated score (currently 50 scores required). C = The mean score across the entire Anime DB. |
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IntroverTurtle said: yhunata said: Well using popularity for the score is dangerous. The only problem with this site is that sequels get a larger score than the prequels(especially for those series that have like 3 or 5 sequels). I always see people asking if they can skip like 3 seasons of an anime to watch the last season because it's rated higher.Manservice said: Orthros said: If 14,000 people rate it 9-10, clearly it deserves its score. How does that apply to Gintama' Enchousen? It's only been scored by 5503 users. Entry=/= score Exactly, now look at Gintama'. 16000 votes. Barely over a tenth of the votes FMA;B got and there is still only a little difference. Well, there are always exceptions to this. For example: Kuroshitsuji II, Nisemonogatari, Maria Holic Alive and Kaiji 2 have lower scores than their prequel. But yeah, I get what you're saying. I initially wanted to check out Aria the Origination when I first looked at the top anime on this site, but when came across the first season, it was ranked much lower. Still ended up starting from the first season though. |
| like someone already said i think they are 'taking advantage' of the rating system but then again i haven't watched the series either so maybe it deserves the spot, maybe it doesn't, who knows. |
| Except for the Ikkoku keisei arc this season wasn't great, so yeah, it's some overrated |
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Manservice said: That's why I said to just share some of the low scores between seasons, not make them all the same, maybe like 30%. And those series with like one sequel is great, very easy to see which season people liked more but when you get up to 4 or 5, then it turns out like that Origination thing. That's actually the anime I was talking about, people ask me if they can skip all the rest of the seasons since that one is so highly rated, without thinking of why it's so highly rated.IntroverTurtle said: yhunata said: Well using popularity for the score is dangerous. The only problem with this site is that sequels get a larger score than the prequels(especially for those series that have like 3 or 5 sequels). I always see people asking if they can skip like 3 seasons of an anime to watch the last season because it's rated higher.Manservice said: Orthros said: If 14,000 people rate it 9-10, clearly it deserves its score. How does that apply to Gintama' Enchousen? It's only been scored by 5503 users. Entry=/= score Exactly, now look at Gintama'. 16000 votes. Barely over a tenth of the votes FMA;B got and there is still only a little difference. Well, there are always exceptions to this. For example: Kuroshitsuji II, Nisemonogatari, Maria Holic Alive and Kaiji 2 have lower scores than their prequel. But yeah, I get what you're saying. I initially wanted to check out Aria the Origination when I first looked at the top anime on this site and came across the first season, which is ranked much lower. Still ended up watching though. |
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Kamina__ said: like someone already said i think they are 'taking advantage' of the rating system but then again i haven't watched so maybe it deserves the spot, maybe doesn't, who knows. Yes, rating a show you've kept up with for over 200 episodes because you like it highly is just done as a fake-out to put it at the top of the entirely ignored by most people top anime list of MAL. It's a big fucking conspiracy. |
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IntroverTurtle said: That's why I said to just share some of the low scores between seasons, not make them all the same, maybe like 30%. Ah.. I quoted you before you edited your previous post and added that last line. My mistake. |
Manservice said: No problem, I was just restating what I said. But that in itself is kind of a problem, it would have to only apply to series that are over 2 seasons long. And even then it might not be that fair.IntroverTurtle said: That's why I said to just share some of the low scores between seasons, not make them all the same, maybe like 30%. Ah.. I quoted you before you edited your previous post and added that last line. My mistake. |
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| IMO MAL has a rating inflation problem in general. I think even the anime that I like have inflated ratings. Don't really care to be quite honest |
Zeally said: You mean the users do, most people don't rate using the whole scale. If they don't like an anime, they will still rate it a 7.IMO MAL has a rating inflation problem in general. I think even the anime that I like have inflated ratings. Don't really care to be quite honest |
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IntroverTurtle said: Zeally said: You mean the users do, most people don't rate using the whole scale. If they don't like an anime, they will still rate it a 7.IMO MAL has a rating inflation problem in general. I think even the anime that I like have inflated ratings. Don't really care to be quite honest yes i think this was implied. the anime doesn't rate themselves >_> right i think some people rate anime by a percentage grade rather than using the whole scale |
| I'm really sorry for loving Gintama and all its sequels, I'll downgrade it just because you have a problem with it. Wait for it ... |
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Zeally said: IntroverTurtle said: Zeally said: You mean the users do, most people don't rate using the whole scale. If they don't like an anime, they will still rate it a 7.IMO MAL has a rating inflation problem in general. I think even the anime that I like have inflated ratings. Don't really care to be quite honest yes i think this was implied. the anime doesn't rate themselves >_> right i think some people rate anime by a percentage grade rather than using the whole scale Yeah I don't get this. I mean MAL itself TELLS you what each number means so judge an anime and associate it with the corresponding number rather than coming up with your own numbers and then saying ''well my 7 is different from your 7''. I just don''t get it... |
TallonKarrde23 said: Kamina__ said: like someone already said i think they are 'taking advantage' of the rating system but then again i haven't watched so maybe it deserves the spot, maybe doesn't, who knows. Yes, rating a show you've kept up with for over 200 episodes because you like it highly is just done as a fake-out to put it at the top of the entirely ignored by most people top anime list of MAL. It's a big fucking conspiracy. calm down i was just giving my opinion there's no need to get mad about it |
Forgetfulness said: Fengr said: yhunata said: Orthros said: If 14,000 people rate it 9-10, clearly it deserves its score. Try 100k+ This. To be truly considered a creme de la creme (best of the best, high royalty status) anime it needs much more votes and an universal acclaim. The other solution is to group the direct sequels into the same show rating - so all multi season shows will be rated by a single grade - not a seperate grade for each season. What if one season is vastly better/worse than another? I'm sure a lot of people don't consider the two Darker than Black seasons similar Similarity has nothing to do with this - the branding of the anime or animes has. If the company wants to label a shit or vastly different anime in the sequel category to take advantage of the original popularity its their fault. They could label it spinoff or whatever Its not like this grouping will restrict something. You can still drop and rate an uncompleted anime so you can rate a part of the anime, and the spinoff / alternative version/ etc. categories will still exist so everything of the same franchise wont be put under a universal rating. |
| Exactly. I like your POV |
| Am i the only one that doesn't care what anime that has the top spot? |
| A meaningless topic and not to mention that this is the wrong forum.Anyone can vote however they like , you shouldn't judge other people.(Especially when you give Guilty Crown a 10 and 8's to Rosario + vampire & s2) |
MaxY- said: Could that last statement have been any more hypocritical?A meaningless topic and not to mention that this is the wrong forum.Anyone can vote however they like , you shouldn't judge other people.(Especially when you give Guilty Crown a 10 and 8's to Rosario + vampire & s2) |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
DJIzzyIzzyHitler said: I don't think that's possible.MaxY- said: Could that last statement have been any more hypocritical?A meaningless topic and not to mention that this is the wrong forum.Anyone can vote however they like , you shouldn't judge other people.(Especially when you give Guilty Crown a 10 and 8's to Rosario + vampire & s2) |
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DJIzzyIzzyHitler said: MaxY- said: Could that last statement have been any more hypocritical?A meaningless topic and not to mention that this is the wrong forum.Anyone can vote however they like , you shouldn't judge other people.(Especially when you give Guilty Crown a 10 and 8's to Rosario + vampire & s2) You didn't get it,did you? /facepalm |
MaxY- said: DJIzzyIzzyHitler said: MaxY- said: Could that last statement have been any more hypocritical?A meaningless topic and not to mention that this is the wrong forum.Anyone can vote however they like , you shouldn't judge other people.(Especially when you give Guilty Crown a 10 and 8's to Rosario + vampire & s2) You didn't get it,did you? /facepalm le epik le ruseman visage |
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Chibi-Alice said: Am i the only one that doesn't care what anime that has the top spot? I think the problem is that people use the top anime list as a guide on what shows to watch (I know I do) and so it's troublesome to say the least if an anime that doesn't deserve the top spot becomes "MAL's MOST RECOMMENDED ANIME TO WATCH" type of thing... Yes everyone vote however they like but if there is something wrong with the ranking system (not saying there is so hold your pitchforks) it would be a good idea to improve it...no? |
Aincrad2013 said: Chibi-Alice said: Am i the only one that doesn't care what anime that has the top spot? I think the problem is that people use the top anime list as a guide on what shows to watch (I know I do) and so it's troublesome to say the least if an anime that doesn't deserve the top spot becomes "MAL's MOST RECOMMENDED ANIME TO WATCH" type of thing... Yes everyone vote however they like but if there is something wrong with the ranking system (not saying there is so hold your pitchforks) it would be a good idea to improve it...no? Yet you're determining if an anime "Deserves" to be there or not based on entirely personal opinion, which makes your entire point moot. There's nothing to "fix" aside making it fit YOUR tastes more, which isn't fixing it, it's biasing it and thus breaking it. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: Aincrad2013 said: Chibi-Alice said: Am i the only one that doesn't care what anime that has the top spot? I think the problem is that people use the top anime list as a guide on what shows to watch (I know I do) and so it's troublesome to say the least if an anime that doesn't deserve the top spot becomes "MAL's MOST RECOMMENDED ANIME TO WATCH" type of thing... Yes everyone vote however they like but if there is something wrong with the ranking system (not saying there is so hold your pitchforks) it would be a good idea to improve it...no? Yet you're determining if an anime "Deserves" to be there or not based on entirely personal opinion, which makes your entire point moot. There's nothing to "fix" aside making it fit YOUR tastes more, which isn't fixing it, it's biasing it and thus breaking it. First I haven't watched Gintama at all so I'm not bringing my personal opinion into this and neither should you. Second, if you read my comment on the context of the whole thread rather than just a single comment, you'll see that a lot of people are advocating for a greater number of people to rate it at a 9-10 (Yhunata, Fengr and others im sure) for it to really deserve the score. Say an indie group music makes a cd and 50 of their friends say it's the best piece of music EVER to grace the world. Compare that to Justin Bieber who is famous worldwide or Bach which has stood the test of time. Which is more likely to be based on personal opinion...I wonder? |
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