Sword Art Online (light novel)
How bad was second half in comparison to first?
Terrible
44.7%
76
Bad
19.4%
33
Decent
15.9%
27
Not quite as good
15.3%
26
Slightly better
4.7%
8
170 votes
| EDIT: I actually LIKE the cousin incest plot in 2nd half very much, but I just didn't want to incur the immediate wrath of all the haters when I started this thread. And for the record I liked 2nd half almost just as much as 1st and I don't think there's much difference in enjoyment. I don't even know why I started this thread in the first place cause I shouldn't care so much if people hate on what I like. But it's just hard to ignore when on every thread in SAO people are hating on it and saying it's shit and yet looking at the stats, the majority (28.7%) think it's a masterpiece. I want to re-write my reasons for liking 2nd half but shorter and more honest to myself: 1. Asuna being turned into a damsel in distress made sense cause her avatar in ALO is not the same as in SAO so stats/equipment are different and even if they weren't, Sugou controls everything so he would obviously take them away from her. Only part I didn't like was her "attempt" to escape which was kinda lame, I think she would have been a bit smarter than that but whatever. It didn't ruin my enjoyment THAT much. 2. Sugu not knowing she's actually helping her brother in the game was interesting to me. It wasn't just some "random incest thing". The feelings were more complex than that. 3. Fights were just as good even if there's no risk of dying - the tension was still kept by the threat of Sugou wanting to like... rape Asuna or something. Anyway, Kirito was working towards a goal so it wasn't just pointless to have a whole other world. I know it's bad to change my whole post when people already replied but I couldn't keep this lie any more. SAO is amazing from episode 1 - 24. (I have problems with last episode only). That's my honest opinion. |
ittou_shuraMar 22, 2014 10:49 AM
| Damn, it's been what, two years now? Shit. Is there even a point defending it? Just looking at the score, clearly more people liked SAO (ignoring 1st/2nd half) than hated it. Better to get your gears ready for GGO's flame fest than spend time standing up for something that stands up for itself. ================ And for the hell of it, yes, the 2nd half of SAO was terrible. |
| Was the protagonist not a gary stu in both halves? That makes it equal in my eyes. I think the fact you can't name the main antagonist, Sugou, on the spot alone shows how dire a position the series was in. |
OchimushaMar 8, 2014 10:31 AM
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| I didn't really mind it. Asuna's role got the middle finger compared to what you might have expected but other than that I thought it was fine. |
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| I don't like NTR shit. |
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ToG25thBaam said: There was none.I don't like NTR shit. |
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| It was certinaly a half of comedy gold. |
YorozuyaGinSan said: ToG25thBaam said: There was none.I don't like NTR shit. Close enough, dat lick, gawd. |
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YorozuyaGinSan said: Was the protagonist not a gary stu in both halves? That makes it equal in my eyes. I think the fact you can't name the main antagonist, Sugou, on the spot alone shows how dire a position the series was in. Who is gary stu? :S And actually I have trouble remembering most names it's not because he was a forgettable character... |
emeraldrosary said: The first half of SAO ended on so well so I didn't see a need for a continuation. I thought that the ending episode was when Kirito woke up and went to find Asuna. It would've been a perfect ending too. Besides that fact I don't really hate the 2nd half. I did find it incredibly boring though, which I'm sure many people can agree with. The problem wasn't the animation or the fact that Asuna was tied up. It the problem was that the sense of urgency to complete the game was gone. In the first half the players had to work together to clear 100 floors. The destination was clear and the concept of fighting bosses to proceed was interesting at first. To be honest even the first half would've gotten boring if Kirito chose not to fight Sugou and they tried to complete the remaining floors up to 100. Luckily the first half ended without that happening. Ok I agree it would have been pretty epic to end on that episode, and maybe ALO could have been made into an OVA or movie or 2nd season... and I would have liked the ending better ok I'll give you that one. The sense of urgency was gone? Yeah for everyone else it was gone but not for Kirito. And we still had 300 players who never woke from SAO kept for experiments... |
MellowJello said: Damn, it's been what, two years now? Shit. Is there even a point defending it? Just looking at the score, clearly more people liked SAO (ignoring 1st/2nd half) than hated it. Better to get your gears ready for GGO's flame fest than spend time standing up for something that stands up for itself. ================ And for the hell of it, yes, the 2nd half of SAO was terrible. Btw why does everyone call it Gun Gale Online when I haven't seen it called that on Wikipedia or MAL SAO2 page. It's called Phantom Bullet or Sword Art Online 2. Is GGO just something people made up? I don't like that name lol :P Lol I think most people defend their favourite anime because they don't want to be thought of as having low standards... It's quite silly now that I think about it :P |
emeraldrosary said: Absolutely right, not disagreeing with you there. But what I meant was that in SAO everyone was working together to clear the floors and everyone's lives were at stake (around 10000 players). I think the biggest part is that we could "see" the characters and the urgency. In ALO we don't get to see the 300 users except for Asuna, and her struggle to get out of the cage didn't capture the same interest as 10000 people fighting 100 floors to survive. Again, I'm not saying ALO is bad, just that I found it boring compared to SAO. Actually I'll take my chance on being a bit of hypocrite now and say that I really did NOT like the part when Asuna "tried" to escape, and there were those tentacle creature things. It was really badly done, and that was a really poor attempt to escape. She walked right up to the console while the tentacle things had their backs to her and all they had to do was look round and see her. I think she would have been a bit smarter than that >.< Yeah I see what you mean now. But I guess that's also subjective cause I kinda felt it was just as much a threat when whats-his-name was threatening to rape Asuna, than 1000s of people dying to clear 100 floors. I know that sounds bad but I care more about Asuna than 1000s of people trapped in a game who I don't even know. Yeah it was tragic but I wasn't really feeling it. But yeah that's a matter of opinion so can't really debate that. But they definitely could have made Asuna more intelligent how she tried to escape and make it higher tension like whats-his-name (sorry I really am bad with remembering names) could have threatened to kill every single person in the game unless she does what he wants or something... Haven't read the novels but hoping season 2 will be a bit more consistent. |
emeraldrosary said: That's true. I feel that ALO would've been better if they brought back side-characters like Agil back into the mix. Mhm agreed that would have made more opportunity to raise the tension since I know those characters (well not by name aha thanks for the link) so I care more about what happens to them. |
| Lol at the people who think that Kirito is the biggest Gary Stu. Clearly, you haven't seen Izayoi from Mondaiji. |
rasenshiruken973 said: Btw why does everyone call it Gun Gale Online when I haven't seen it called that on Wikipedia or MAL SAO2 page. It's called Phantom Bullet or Sword Art Online 2. Is GGO just something people made up? I don't like that name lol :P "Gun Gale Online" is the name of MMO shooter game, where "Phantom bullet" story takes place. IMHO it is a good change after SAO with it sword focus and fantasy ALO. Generally, ALO anime part has the same narrative style and character features as first part does. But I find SAO arc more diverse as it covers a greater time scale, 2 years of imprisonment in deadly game. It has many side stories introducing new characters and showing evolution of Kirito personality. And the story about Kirito and Asuna relationship is really romantic without many anime cliches (hell, they married right away although virtually! ^^ ). ALO arc covers just a few weeks and is all about Kirito rescuing Asuna and his relationships with Suguha. No side stories, no character development, just action. It's more rush story in every aspect. |
TevkrMar 9, 2014 8:32 AM
| SAO sucks as a whole. Yes, let the butthurt flow. |
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KaniowskiKun101 said: You like Bleach.SAO sucks as a whole. Yes, let the butthurt flow. Lol. |
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marian11 said: Izayoi is even worse, but Mondaiji was garbage to begin with.Lol at the people who think that Kirito is the biggest Gary Stu. Clearly, you haven't seen Izayoi from Mondaiji. |
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YorozuyaGinSan said: marian11 said: Izayoi is even worse, but Mondaiji was garbage to begin with.Lol at the people who think that Kirito is the biggest Gary Stu. Clearly, you haven't seen Izayoi from Mondaiji. 'to begin with.. in my opinion.' I liked Mondaiji, having Gary Stu characters are what types of anime I love looking for(and probably dozens of others). When they just beat the crap out of the opponents with that smug on their face gives me the chills down my spine. Though Izayoi wasn't my best Gary Stu character, the one and ultimate character that I've seen so far that has that personality is Ryoma Echizen from Prince of Tennis. |
| I actually liked the second half. Don't get me wrong, the first arc was WAY better, but I feel that the whole KiritoxLeafa plot really saved the second half. Without her, it would've been total garbage. |
| the second half was decent for me, its no way a conclusion of the story since the light novels are still ongoing anyway |
| i still don't understand why sugou went such length to antagonize kirito despite the fact he would've marry asuna anyway |
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Protoz said: A villain's gotta evil it up. There's no glory in a victory where you don't mock the enemy.i still don't understand why sugou went such length to antagonize kirito despite the fact he would've marry asuna anyway |
| I don't like when incest is thrown into my face in anime, but it was an ok 2nd half I guess. |
| the reason why i disliked the second half and why in the end i gave it such a low score: i do not need any incest. i rather skip it. seriously. i dont understand why japanese otaku are all hyped for a sister character, in real life a close sister/cousin would not want you to **** her. seriously. it just feel weird. this just didnt make any sense for me and this is why i somehow hated this part. also, those nearly-rape-scenes... especially those tentacles... you know that there are childrens watching animes, right? we wont question now whether they should watch this show or not, we can just say that there will be at least some childrens watching this show like OMG DERP DAT ANIMATION QUALITY, DAT FIGHT SCENES *glowing eyes* do you want to traumatize them? or having them developing a new fetish? it was unbearable for me (the ALO part, SAO was at least enjoyable). still am waiting for GGO, my fav part of all. giving this another chance... either keep it or drop it completly... |
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| SAO was pretty bad the frist half was pretty MEH but not a totally lost cause, the Second half of the season was frankly god awful and dragged my score from a 6/7 to a 5. |
brokenchair said: I was going to stop watching after the first half, but I'm happy I didn't. Yes, the incest thing was creepy, I didn't like the fairy theme, and I didn't like how asuna was weak (or even alive for that matter.) The show though took a huge turn for me when they had that battle on the bridge (I actually appreciated the fact they fought like a real mmo battle, not everyone just bum rushing.) That was not though what made me really like it. I actually think the second part bought in more realistic and unpredictable events. Bringing in the attempted rape (In general you know people are not going to die, but getting raped, tortured, maimed, could happen, thus providing something to fear for a character), the over the top killing of Sugou (in game) when I thought he'd let him go was epic, and then the knife fight was awesome. It was done in such a way that, I actually wasn't disappointed he let sugou suffer jail instead of death. Yeah I agree I think Sugou was a realistic villain for 2nd half. The knife fight was great also because it's the first time you see violence outside the virtual world. I think it brought a darker side to the whole show... It was really hard to watch Sugou sexually harassing Asuna while Kirito is on the ground helpless to do anything. You end up feeling so much hatred for him so it's really satisfying seeing him die as epically as that. |
Domme said: This whole show was just horrible for me, especially the second half. Don't get me wrong, I love tentacle, incest, and power-struggle hentai, but it infuriates me when they are thrown at me unexpectedly. My parents were in the room watching the show with me while Asuna was getting raped. Everyone ended up confused as hell and wondering why we were watching porn. Ridiculous eroticism aside, my main problem with the show is that they treat women like shit, and Kirito is all-powerful and everyone loves him. He has no character flaws, while on the other hand, every female character is weak and clingy and needs to be saved. And then there's the plot holes... Kirito is a boss. That's why it is realistic. When did Asuna get RAPED by TENTACLES? That's quite an exaggeration. She was only picked up... you have a dirty mind girl. I can recall many times when the female characters actually saved Kirito... Asuna when that guy had Kirito paralysed, also Leafa in ALO the last battle. There was plenty of moe AND badassery in the female characters - what more could you want? :3 |
rasenshiruken973 said: Domme said: This whole show was just horrible for me, especially the second half. Don't get me wrong, I love tentacle, incest, and power-struggle hentai, but it infuriates me when they are thrown at me unexpectedly. My parents were in the room watching the show with me while Asuna was getting raped. Everyone ended up confused as hell and wondering why we were watching porn. Ridiculous eroticism aside, my main problem with the show is that they treat women like shit, and Kirito is all-powerful and everyone loves him. He has no character flaws, while on the other hand, every female character is weak and clingy and needs to be saved. And then there's the plot holes... Kirito is a boss. That's why it is realistic. When did Asuna get RAPED by TENTACLES? That's quite an exaggeration. She was only picked up... you have a dirty mind girl. I can recall many times when the female characters actually saved Kirito... Asuna when that guy had Kirito paralysed, also Leafa in ALO the last battle. There was plenty of moe AND badassery in the female characters - what more could you want? :3 Don't really want to get into a SAO discussion but... You can completely see that the full intentions of the tentacle guys was too molest her, that is more than enough to call it tentacle rape. And you can't forget the tear licking moment. There was even a topic on it on Sankaku (NSFW site) mentioning the show was fined because of how much adultery there was in that part. As for the female badassery, you gotta have tunnel vision to not see how useless Asuna becomes after SAO. Kirito only gets saved by a female character twice, maybe two and a half throughout the show. |
Paul said: Don't really want to get into a SAO discussion but... You can completely see that the full intentions of the tentacle guys was too molest her, that is more than enough to call it tentacle rape. And you can't forget the tear licking moment. There was even a topic on it on Sankaku (NSFW site) mentioning the show was fined because of how much adultery there was in that part. As for the female badassery, you gotta have tunnel vision to not see how useless Asuna becomes after SAO. Kirito only gets saved by a female character twice, maybe two and a half throughout the show. Ok I rewatched the tentacle bit and it's only for a few seconds there's a suggestion that it's going to molest her. It's pretty mild though from my point of view... The tear licking moment what's wrong with that? It's just creepy that's not molestation. And why does every character have to be useful? |
| I guess I can't help but compare SAO to other anime that I've enjoyed. The main protagonist, Kirito, just wasn't interesting enough to hold my attention for 25 episodes. If they had done a better job with the characters, I think this anime would have been better. |
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jfturku said: i'm on the 2nd half right now [ep 16] and i'm enjoying it.i don't find it as boring as before.don't know what's coming next though. You found some of the first half boring? That's interesting. Well I hope you enjoy the rest :) Just don't let your opinion be swayed by the 27% minority who scored it 6 or less that seems to have concentrated their utter hatred of all things SAO in the forums. They are so over the top it's like every other thread you can find someone making some comment about "SAO is shit". I don't mind that they hate it for their own reasons but bringing those reasons up again and again in such a crude way is just disrespectful to people who like it. That's my main problem with MAL forums - so arrogant people it's like they want you to feel stupid for liking an anime because of so and so fan service moe blah blah like they are so above anything and everything and talking down to others and... yeah. Idk where I'm going with that just ignore me now >.< Sorry that turned into an incomprehensible rant... |
Kalisto said: I guess I can't help but compare SAO to other anime that I've enjoyed. The main protagonist, Kirito, just wasn't interesting enough to hold my attention for 25 episodes. If they had done a better job with the characters, I think this anime would have been better. Yeah I guess Kirito could have had a little more depth to his character. Did you like relationship of Asuna x Kirito? Cause I think for me that made up it :) |
| Kirito wasn't the only one. Everyone was shallow. As for the 'relationship',what kind of romance skips straight to the I Love You part? Bullshit. |
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TsukiKarui said: The true love sort of romance. Believe it.As for the 'relationship',what kind of romance skips straight to the I Love You part? Bullshit. |
| The second half wasn't bad!?! I really hope you are joking. |
| The 2nd half shat all over the 1st half. |
Raidol said: Flying fairies, tentacle cousin, licking, oh my!The 2nd half shat all over the 1st half. |
Ckan said: Raidol said: Flying fairies, tentacle cousin, licking, oh my!The 2nd half shat all over the 1st half. The tear licking made the entire SAO worth watching |
Raidol said: This is the right answer.Ckan said: Raidol said: Flying fairies, tentacle cousin, licking, oh my!The 2nd half shat all over the 1st half. The tear licking made the entire SAO worth watching |
| Alfheim Online is god-tier. Best comedy I've ever seen. Nichijou's got nothing on that shit. It's the ultimate parody of everything nerd shut-ins with no social skills jerk off to. |
TsukiKarui said: Kirito wasn't the only one. Everyone was shallow. As for the 'relationship',what kind of romance skips straight to the I Love You part? Bullshit. It was cause of the circumstances they were in and also there was a time skip... |
AnimeFanFTW25 said: The second half wasn't bad!?! I really hope you are joking. I'm not joking. |
Raidol said: Ckan said: Raidol said: Flying fairies, tentacle cousin, licking, oh my!The 2nd half shat all over the 1st half. The tear licking made the entire SAO worth watching Y..yes. |
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