Code Geass - Hangyaku no Lelouch R2 Episode 25 Discussion

kingwellsy said:
Did anyone else think Lelouch didn't die? i first picked up on it when C2 said his name at the very end then realised they didn't show who was driving the cart so i think that was him.

Chloeee said:
I hate it. I don't want Lelouch to be dead!

Botato said:

Nope, he died.

db84x said:


He can be live or died based your own preference since "-----Some unresolved mysteries still remain."

Botato said:

The author declared him dead. That's not a mystery.
What is a mystery is all other Geass related stuff like Cs world and Akasha and whatnot.

----Congratulations on the completion of "Code Geass"!! It was a shocking final episode; did you have a difficult time writing it, Mr. Okouchi?

Okouchi: "No. The last episode wasn't difficult at all; in fact, it was the middle parts of R2 that turned out to be rough going. For the final episode, [I'd/we'd] already decided on the ending when writing the script for the first episode of the previous series. Episode 1, Episode 25 (Episode 1 and the final episode of the previous series) and episode 25 of R2 --- these episodes did not deviate much from our original plans."

----Some unresolved mysteries still remain.''

Okouchi: 'From the very beginning, [I/we] never planned on explaining everything. In fact, if you ask me, I think we might have overdone the explanations. While it's undeniable that Lelouch's story has ended with a full stop, the other characters' stories are still on-going, and it's not like the world [of Code Geass] itself has come to an end either. [I/we] didn't want to end it by closing it up for good.'

---- it possible that defeating the wise ruler Schneizel, the person who was supposed to have brought order to the world, might lead to some [viewers] interpreting it as a Bad End?"

Okouchi: "That's true. There are probably a lot of people who think of it as a Bad End, a tragedy, considering the protagonist's, Lelouch's end as well. However, Lelouch says in the first episode: "Only those prepared to be shot are allowed to pull the trigger themselves."If you were to think of that as his pride, then I think his getting shot (killed) in the end was a logical end. Of course, I understand that not all of the viewers will accept this ending. There were people who wanted a happier ending, after all."

----"Was there a dispute among the staff members regarding the ending?"

Okouchi: "No. It was decided fairly naturally. During the "Code Geass" script meetings, there are many cases in which there were a number of disputes, but there were barely any when it came to the scripts for (the previous series's) episode 25 and the final episode. I think everyone felt the same when it came to the end of the character that is Lelouch."

----"Why were you so bold as to choose this ending when the viewers might see it as a Bad End?"

Okouchi: "Bold... yes, we were so bold as to chose this ending. Perhaps the show that is "Code Geass" ending up this way was decided the moment Director Taniguchi and I teamed up. I suppose you can call it our sense of aesthetics, or perhaps a part of our psychological makeup."

There are probably a lot of people who think of it as a Bad End, a tragedy, considering the protagonist�¢ï¿½ï¿½s, Lelouch�¢ï¿½ï¿½s end as well. However, Lelouch says in the first episode: �¢ï¿½ï¿½Only those prepared to be shot are allowed to pull the trigger themselves.�¢ï¿½ï¿½ If you were to think of that as his pride, then I think his getting shot (killed) in the end was a logical end. Of course, I understand that not all of the viewers will accept this ending. There were people who wanted a happier ending, after all.�¢ï¿½ï¿½

Botato said:
Here's where he said Lelouch's dead.

db84x said:
Director said he killed not dead, and in the dead list (Nunualy put in there once but she revived anyway) it said that Lelouch vi Britania dead not Lelouch Lamprouge and don't forget same scene when Nunaly touch Leluoch and Lelouch touch C.C.

db84x said:
Director indeed have planned this ending to please both camp because for people who like he died he will died and vice verse. Since this debate will endless and pointless until true sequel of code geass reaveled, lets cut it short.

Botato said:
His name is Lelouch vi Brittania.
The whole Nunnaly holding hands thing is not what you think it is.

Yeah ok so if he lives how is it NOT a happy ending?
It's only endless because stubborn Lelouch fans are not accepting that he's dead (heh.. he even said so himself, he's dead but some people won't accept this ending... ). Some people need to stop being delusional :)

And there will be no sequels, the series does not need a sequel, and it will not be CG without Lelouch.

Botato said:
His name is Lelouch vi Brittania.
The whole Nunnaly holding hands thing is not what you think it is.

Botato said:
Yeah ok so if he lives how is it NOT a happy ending?
It's only endless because stubborn Lelouch fans are not accepting that he's dead (heh.. he even said so himself, he's dead but some people won't accept this ending... ). Some people need to stop being delusional :)

And there will be no sequels, the series does not need a sequel, and it will not be CG without Lelouch.

Animefreak17a said:
I agree they need to stop and give up on the prick who dragged his sister's name through the mud.......lelouch deserved to die and I for one I'm glad the prick died

db84x said:
See that why this debate is pointless and useless because it just repeat same pattern over and over again. Death camp will always deny live camp argument and vice verse

db84x said:


See that why this debate is pointless and useless because it just repeat same pattern over and over again. Death camp will always deny live camp argument and vice verse.



Actually debate going on because some arrogant fans who love argue something pointless. Even it continue it won't change anything just wasting time.



Based on your statement, I why i must explain prof that Lelouch is alive. It just waste my time and won't change anything at all.

Animefreak17a said:
heres my reaction when he was killed..........and yes he is dead no matter what you believe ......the creators said he was dead..........anyways

my reaction

http://www.tubechop.com/watch/3339336

Animefreak17a said:
heres my reaction when he was killed..........and yes he is dead no matter what you believe ......the creators said he was dead..........anyways

my reaction

http://www.tubechop.com/watch/3339336

Animefreak17a said:
heres what I have to say about lelouch

http://www.tubechop.com/watch/3346673

ihusmal1234 said:
I read an interesting theory that Lulu is still alive and explains why CC is still happy and was "talking to" Lulu on that wagon. It has something to do with Lulu achieving both Geass and the Code of immortality. Leading up to the name of the series Code Geass. I guess it's quite irrelevant now since this is a 6-8 year old series and people probably already know.

GeoPrey said:
Even if ending was so sad for me, but I still loved it, because he sacrificed himself for a "better tomorrow" and for his own sisters sake

Botato said:
He's so dead.

ihusmal1234 said:

That's a shame then. I guess it makes more sense that his sacrifice is a legitimate one instead of some fan pandering survival bs.

Another thing though, by the end of the series how many people eventually found out about zero requiem? Nunnally and Kallen were obvious but what about the other main BK memebers? Todoh seems like a smart guy. Even preggy Viletta.

GabrielFalk said:
The ending was surprising, though not much liked the end with the death of Lelouch was a beautiful end.
But because of this video shows the death of Lelouch was forged. When it got the point when you get the two Geass one becomes immortal, or stealing code boy who was with Charles (father Lelouch) so Achieving immortality.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdb674lLlFk&feature=share

Botato said:
Lol.

Ghab said:
He is alive. If you pause the video, and skip frame by frame, at the horse trail scene. You'd find a man wearing a straw hat, and at certain frames can even depict his brown spiky hair.

(See my PP)

Bheaze said:
i guesssssss maybe, maybe it needs some cleaning up but overall that was a fresh as fuck watch

Animefreak17a said:


No here's dead the creator's of the SERIES said so.

Ghab said:


Have you seen the movies yet? Hes in there. Argument is invalid.

Izanai said:


I assume you talk about the OVA? Akito the Exiled? Well, too bad for you but the OVA takes place between R1 and R2. So your argument is invalid.