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masochist-san said:
Still, its better than SAO and LH in any way, shape, or form.

Not really.

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GI is what made me start getting annoyed by Gon, then came the CA arc...yeah.

Ow. Do you hate him now?

Strong dislike.

Which is rare for a battle protagonist for me.

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I think GI is just as good as Yorknew, and one of the most creative arcs in anime. The world building in it should be followed as an example.
I also liked a lot the lack of conventionality of introducing a villain such as Genthru, Main characters having the game handed to them (rather tham magically storming in and winning 100% by themselves) and the overall execution in general.
and the arc itself really demonstrated some brutal deaths as well.

The first part deals with training, which expanded on a lot of Nen and the WB, and the training itself was so fascinating to watch aided by the Gon-Kil interactions, not to mention that it really contributed a lot to the show feeling realistic.

The second part with the Dodgeball... Speaks for itself. Togashi managed to make a dodgeball game so intense where others might (be) fail(ing) in executing a final battle with the world at stake well.

But what really made me love it was the ending. The bizarreness of Gon vs Benthru puts JoJo's antics to shame. One of the craziest fights in any entertainment medium imo.

The epilogue, with the card trick, I love when writers are this smart, always thinking outside the box. It also felt like a breather with Dwun and List derping about.

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Jul 28, 2014 12:49 PM

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Sapewloth said:
Looks like I'm in the minority for finding GI somewhat enjoyable (well, 68 played a huuuge part in it, but still). It was a cute and nice little cooldown after the YS storm of awesomesauce.

Always remember that it's the haters that are in the minority, they are just vocal. Most people still enjoy the stuff they watch. Who knows why people would sit through dozens of episodes of the 'dullest arc in existence'?
GI might not be as great as Yorknew or the Chimera Ants, but it's still a very good and enjoyable arc with some nice developments.

If one bad arc was enough to drop an anime I'd have to drop almost every arc based series. Especially dumb when your favorite arc comes right after. It's no where near comparable to people who continue to watch shows they hate for years knowing it won't get any better for them.

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jpem said:

Higashi_no_Kaze said:

Always remember that it's the haters that are in the minority, they are just vocal. Most people still enjoy the stuff they watch. Who knows why people would sit through dozens of episodes of the 'dullest arc in existence'?
GI might not be as great as Yorknew or the Chimera Ants, but it's still a very good and enjoyable arc with some nice developments.

If one bad arc was enough to drop an anime I'd have to drop almost every arc based series.

If that's the case you should maybe stop watching battle shounen when you hate big parts of each of them. Why don't you? Would you miss complaining about it? I'd never sit through something I'd call the dullest arc in existence, that seems awfully masochistic. If you don't drop it the dullest thing ever, do you even drop anything?
I guess I just don't get the approach many people have to enjoyment here on MAL.

I probably regret this post by now.

Jul 28, 2014 1:10 PM

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Higashi_no_Kaze said:

jpem said:

If one bad arc was enough to drop an anime I'd have to drop almost every arc based series.

If that's the case you should maybe stop watching battle shounen when you hate big parts of each of them. Why don't you? Would you miss complaining about it? I'd never sit through something I'd call the dullest arc in existence, that seems awfully masochistic. If you don't drop it the dullest thing ever, do you even drop anything?
I guess I just don't get the approach many people have to enjoyment here on MAL.

I disagree.
Okay maybe in Gi's case certain people here may be hating/trying to sound edgy, but some didn't enjoy it, and that doesn't mean they should stop watching. That's actually ons charm about long anime, it's kinda like the Phantom Troupe, it can survive without some limbs.

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tsudecimo said:

Sapewloth said:

Ow. Do you hate him now?

Strong dislike.

Which is rare for a battle protagonist for me.

To be fair, I don't think Gon was meant to be a particularly likeable protag, unlike say Goku or Naruto.

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there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.

Jul 28, 2014 1:19 PM

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Higashi_no_Kaze said:

Sapewloth said:
Looks like I'm in the minority for finding GI somewhat enjoyable (well, 68 played a huuuge part in it, but still). It was a cute and nice little cooldown after the YS storm of awesomesauce.

Always remember that it's the haters that are in the minority, they are just vocal. Most people still enjoy the stuff they watch. Who knows why people would sit through dozens of episodes of the 'dullest arc in existence'?
GI might not be as great as Yorknew or the Chimera Ants, but it's still a very good and enjoyable arc with some nice developments.

Yes,cuz CLEARLY only haters can dislike the arc

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Higashi_no_Kaze said:

jpem said:

If one bad arc was enough to drop an anime I'd have to drop almost every arc based series.

If that's the case you should maybe stop watching battle shounen when you hate big parts of each of them. Why don't you? Would you miss complaining about it? I'd never sit through something I'd call the dullest arc in existence, that seems awfully masochistic. If you don't drop it the dullest thing ever, do you even drop anything?
I guess I just don't get the approach many people have to enjoyment here on MAL.

Dropping an anime you like because of one arc is actually the thing I wouldn't understand.

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Higashi_no_Kaze said:

jpem said:

If one bad arc was enough to drop an anime I'd have to drop almost every arc based series.

If that's the case you should maybe stop watching battle shounen when you hate big parts of each of them. Why don't you? Would you miss complaining about it? I'd never sit through something I'd call the dullest arc in existence, that seems awfully masochistic. If you don't drop it the dullest thing ever, do you even drop anything?
I guess I just don't get the approach many people have to enjoyment here on MAL.

1)I said one of the dullest arcs, not the actual dullest anime in ever.
2)If boring arcs are a pretty small portion of a show why should I treat the series as something that is bad as a whole? Fishman Island is equally dull despite being in one of my favorite shows.
3)I barely ever complain about it so that's a no go.
4)This is an extremely close minded argument that seems to based off someone insulting something you like.

Jul 28, 2014 1:35 PM

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I sense an incoming trivial argument.

Jul 28, 2014 1:36 PM

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That's actually ons charm about long anime, it's kinda like the Phantom Troupe, it can survive without some limbs.

Yeah.

Jul 28, 2014 1:36 PM

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I sense an incoming trivial argument.

It's too late.

Jul 28, 2014 1:38 PM

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I just wish Killua and Kalluto had met at Greed Island. We don't know anything about their relationship.
I''m also interested what Kalluto thinks of Alluka, but I expect him seeing his brother as any other Zoldyck member does.

Jul 28, 2014 1:41 PM

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I just wish Killua and Kalluto had met at Greed Island. We don't know anything about their relationship.
I''m also interested what Kalluto thinks of Alluka, but I expect him seeing his brother as any other Zoldyck member does.

We know that he is jealous of Alluka and that he is a mama's boy.

I think the Zoldycks should get a lot more focus. There are one of the most interesting characters in the series.

Is the fat zoldyck the son of Silva or a son of previous marriage? because he doesn't fit with the others.

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jpem said:

tsudecimo said:
I sense an incoming trivial argument.

It's too late.

Sad that you gotta justify yourself to him.

Cyber_Bluez said:

Higashi_no_Kaze said:

Always remember that it's the haters that are in the minority, they are just vocal. Most people still enjoy the stuff they watch. Who knows why people would sit through dozens of episodes of the 'dullest arc in existence'?
GI might not be as great as Yorknew or the Chimera Ants, but it's still a very good and enjoyable arc with some nice developments.

Yes,cuz CLEARLY only haters can dislike the arc

He didn't mean it like that. But at least one is known for trolling the anime. His main point is the whole "I'm in the minority" thing.

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tsudecimo said:
I think the Zoldycks should get a lot more focus. There are one of the most interesting characters in the series.

I agree.

Jul 28, 2014 1:49 PM

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Greed Island might be the "weakest" arc but it's still good for what it is, just happened to be sandwiched in-between the two best arcs in the series

Jul 28, 2014 1:52 PM

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judals said:
Sad that you gotta justify yourself to him.

I probably should have expected something like this when using extreme words like that.

Jul 28, 2014 1:52 PM

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jpem said:

tsudecimo said:
I think the Zoldycks should get a lot more focus. There are one of the most interesting characters in the series.

I agree.

i was very very surprised when Zeno showed up near the end of CA arc an then extremely dissapointed when i realized he was just making a cameo (just like the phantom troupe during their fight against some fodder ants), looks like the Zoldicks might be more relevant on the current arc, or at least i hope

Jul 28, 2014 1:53 PM

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This is how i see h x h arcs:
Exams-8/10 :Great introductory arc, was very light hearted, fun and interesting, kept me on the edge of my seat. It had excellent pacing
Zoldyck Family- 6/10: Killua's famiky was cool, but other than that, nothing really stood out in this arc
Heaven's Arena- 7/10
Fun, but early on it was a little boring. After learning nen it became pretty cool

Yorknew city- 10/10 - By far the best arc. It was an amazing dark thriller, and had excellent villains. And finally Kurapika gets his time to shine. My only problem with this arc was that it was too shirt- an extra 10 episodes would've been great

Greed Island: 7/10 Solid, but the arc suffers from a terrible villain. Bisky and the extra nen trainung was good.

Chimera ant arc - 5/10: By far the worst. Why make the villains ants? Why? And they don't even look like ants because they are chimeras....the character design, pacing and training (Knuckle) parts of this arc were horrible. And this arc doesnt do anything to the story apart from introducing kite.

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2. IT'S OVER 9000!!!!- Vegeta (dbz)
3. Almighty Push!/ Shinra Tensei!- Pain (Naruto Shippuden)
4. We stand in awe before that which cannot be seen- Rukia (Bleach)
5. I'll take a potato chip.....AND EAT IT!!!!!- Light (Death Note)
6. Art is an explosion - Deidara (Naruto)
7. Shut the fuck up Kakazu - Hidan (Naruto)
8. Bulma, you've lost your balls- Goku (dragonball)
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jpem said:

tsudecimo said:
I think the Zoldycks should get a lot more focus. There are one of the most interesting characters in the series.

I agree.

Yes please, More specifically Killua's bad ass father. I really want more fights from him. Even a backstory of his many assassination missions wouldn't kill to show.

Jul 28, 2014 1:55 PM

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DarkDawn said:

Zoldyck Family- 6/10: Killua's famiky was cool, but other than that, nothing really stood out in this arc

I don't think this is really an arc, it's only like 5 episodes.

Jul 28, 2014 1:57 PM

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I never got why people seem to dislike the Zoldyck family arc so much. It's short enough that Killua's family were plenty enough to enjoy it's run.

Jul 28, 2014 1:59 PM

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jpem said:
I never got why people seem to dislike the Zoldyck family arc so much. It's short enough that Killua's family were plenty enough to enjoy it's run.

Ikr. I enjoyed those few episodes more than GI and CA.

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Yes please, More specifically Killua's bad ass father. I really want more fights from him. Even a backstory of his many assassination missions wouldn't kill to show.

+1
Silva is underrated.

Jul 28, 2014 2:04 PM

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jpem said:

I agree.

i was very very surprised when Zeno showed up near the end of CA arc an then extremely dissapointed when i realized he was just making a cameo (just like the phantom troupe during their fight against some fodder ants), looks like the Zoldicks might be more relevant on the current arc, or at least i hope

You keep saying "fodder this/fodder that", I don't think it means what you think it mean.

Also, you seem to have missed out on lots of implications/foreshadowing by believing it was just a cameo

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jpem said:
I never got why people seem to dislike the Zoldyck family arc so much. It's short enough that Killua's family were plenty enough to enjoy it's run.

But the family isn't that interesting and wasn't a big enough pay off for traveling there, training in the cabin, getting past the girl, and getting to the butler's house which were all pretty boring. Though I did like the big dog, very nice design.

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tsudecimo said:

ScazoN said:
Yes please, More specifically Killua's bad ass father. I really want more fights from him. Even a backstory of his many assassination missions wouldn't kill to show.

+1
Silva is underrated.

Wait, Silva isn't generally well-liked?

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there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.

Jul 28, 2014 2:07 PM

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Sapewloth said:

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Silva is underrated.

Wait, Silva isn't generally well-liked?

Doubtful, his status alone made his fight with Chrollo considered one of the most well received I've seen.

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The only thing good about the chimera ant arc imo is gyro's epic back story and the phantom troupe's appearece. Other than that, it was complete shit. Speaking of the spiders, does anyone agree that Kalluto should get more screentime?

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1. I AM JUSTICE!- l/light (Death Note)
2. IT'S OVER 9000!!!!- Vegeta (dbz)
3. Almighty Push!/ Shinra Tensei!- Pain (Naruto Shippuden)
4. We stand in awe before that which cannot be seen- Rukia (Bleach)
5. I'll take a potato chip.....AND EAT IT!!!!!- Light (Death Note)
6. Art is an explosion - Deidara (Naruto)
7. Shut the fuck up Kakazu - Hidan (Naruto)
8. Bulma, you've lost your balls- Goku (dragonball)
9. "Don't call me small! I'll break off your feet and stick em on your head!"- Edward Elric (fmab)

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Sapewloth said:

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Silva is underrated.

Wait, Silva isn't generally well-liked?

He's one of those "Oh that guy, cool." characters where no one will care about them unless they actually show up. He deserves more praise. (Note: I don't know the HxH fanbase well so idk really lol)

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DarkDawn said:
The only thing good about the chimera ant arc imo is gyro's epic back story and the phantom troupe's appearece. Other than that, it was complete shit. Speaking of the spiders, does anyone agree that alluka should get more screentime?

Do you mean Kalluto? The spiders will eventually get more screentime everyone knows that.

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Sapewloth said:

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Silva is underrated.

Wait, Silva isn't generally well-liked?

He is liked, but he doesn't get talked about, probably due to his small screen time. I meant in the sense, that I want togashi to give him more screen time.

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But the family isn't that interesting and wasn't a big enough pay off for traveling there, training in the cabin, getting past the girl, and getting to the butler's house which were all pretty boring. Though I did like the big dog, very nice design.

It's super interesting, it was a big pay off. Getting past the girl was good, the flashback with her and young killua was great. The butler house was great too. No the big dog was meh.

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jpem said:

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Sad that you gotta justify yourself to him.

I probably should have expected something like this when using extreme words like that.

Like which words?

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MrLief said:

DarkDawn said:
The only thing good about the chimera ant arc imo is gyro's epic back story and the phantom troupe's appearece. Other than that, it was complete shit. Speaking of the spiders, does anyone agree that alluka should get more screentime?

Do you mean Kalluto? The spiders will eventually get more screentime everyone knows that.

Yeah kalluto lol

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1. I AM JUSTICE!- l/light (Death Note)
2. IT'S OVER 9000!!!!- Vegeta (dbz)
3. Almighty Push!/ Shinra Tensei!- Pain (Naruto Shippuden)
4. We stand in awe before that which cannot be seen- Rukia (Bleach)
5. I'll take a potato chip.....AND EAT IT!!!!!- Light (Death Note)
6. Art is an explosion - Deidara (Naruto)
7. Shut the fuck up Kakazu - Hidan (Naruto)
8. Bulma, you've lost your balls- Goku (dragonball)
9. "Don't call me small! I'll break off your feet and stick em on your head!"- Edward Elric (fmab)

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judals said:

jpem said:

I probably should have expected something like this when using extreme words like that.

Like which words?

Saying that I found it ridiculously boring/one of the dullest arcs in existence. Doubt he would have said anything if I stopped at just saying it was boring.

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DarkDawn said:
Speaking of the spiders, does anyone agree that alluka should get more screentime?

You mean Kalluto? And no, he's like my least favorite in the spiders. He's just a noob! I want more Nobunaga though!

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jpem said:

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Like which words?

Saying that I found it ridiculously boring/one of the dullest arcs in existence. Doubt he would have said anything if I stopped at just saying it was boring.

I was referring to justifying yourself to the someone who starts most trivial arguments on the site, not Higashi.

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judals said:

jpem said:

Saying that I found it ridiculously boring/one of the dullest arcs in existence. Doubt he would have said anything if I stopped at just saying it was boring.

I was referring to justifying yourself to the someone who starts most trivial arguments on the site, not Higashi.

Oh. Right.

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DarkDawn said:
Speaking of the spiders, does anyone agree that alluka should get more screentime?

You mean Kalluto? And no, he's like my least favorite in the spiders. He's just a noob! I want more Nobunaga though!

This guy gets it.

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Yep, he and the rest of the family definitely need more screen time. I'm also quite curious about Kikyo (with that weird design of hers) and how she met with Silva.

Eh, the dog was nice!

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GuusWayne said:
there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.

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Chimera ant arc - 5/10: By far the worst. Why make the villains ants? Why? And they don't even look like ants because they are chimeras....the character design, pacing and training (Knuckle) parts of this arc were horrible. And this arc doesnt do anything to the story apart from introducing kite.

The End of the current election arc and the followed one should explain why the chimera ant queen appeared "out or nowhere" if you tried to imply they were random villains. If not then I'm sorry.
Being chimeras made it that interesting, displaying the inner conflict the life of an ant and a human and his concious and morales.
I think the training with Knuckle and Shoot was important for Gon witnessing total defeat and

Killua freed himself from Illumi was also important to develop his individuality. Imagine a Killua trying to save Gon through Alluka being under the spell of Ilumi.
The pacing was indeed very slow but since the whole Invasion was very fast in real time the pacing was necessary, especially regarding at which level of speed Netero and the King where fighting. Moreover were the inner monologues and narrations very important.
And lastly the importance of this arc shows off soon enough, this is Togashi after all.

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I thought Kalluto was a girl for like 4 years.

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I want Hisoka vs. Chrollo. Togashi's been teasing us enough! Also, more Machi.

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DarkDawn said:
Chimera ant arc - 5/10: By far the worst. Why make the villains ants? Why? And they don't even look like ants because they are chimeras....the character design, pacing and training (Knuckle) parts of this arc were horrible. And this arc doesnt do anything to the story apart from introducing kite.

The End of the current election arc and the followed one should explain why the chimera ant queen appeared "out or nowhere" if you tried to imply they were random villains. If not then I'm sorry.
Being chimeras made it that interesting, displaying the inner conflict the life of an ant and a human and his concious and morales.
I think the training with Knuckle and Shoot was important for Gon witnessing total defeat and

Killua freed himself from Illumi was also important to develop his individuality. Imagine a Killua trying to save Gon through Alluka being under the spell of Ilumi.
The pacing was indeed very slow but since the whole Invasion was very fast in real time the pacing was necessary, especially regarding at which level of speed Netero and the King where fighting. Moreover were the inner monologues and narrations very important.
And lastly the importance of this arc shows off soon enough, this is Togashi after all.

You really think that was genuine?

At any rate, people keep using buzzwords like "importance" without knowing what it means. Forget future arcs, how is CA unimportant by itself? Based on what premises exactly?

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