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Jul 26, 2013 12:58 AM
#1
Anyway... this is a spoiler so I'll spoiler it. It has to do with chapter 60 of the railgun manga. This is huge news so I decided that people probably wanted to be able to see it. Anyway, here you guys go: Mikoto has a dark awakening and gets wings. Gensei's plan is to make her a level 6. Pre-release spoiler pics show her as a dark level 6 it's called a demon-awakening rather than an angel-awakening. It is official. She has subverted her role up until now in raildex. A huge revelation. You guys can check Animesuki if you want confirmation. Anyway, this is big news so celebrate!!!! This also means LAC is probably going to happen in order to set up next season. |
dnivJul 26, 2013 9:03 AM
Jul 26, 2013 1:36 AM
#2
I kind of hope thats not true since there has not even been a slight mention or even hint that Mikoto took such a huge step forward in the Index novels and it is something rather significant. You would of thought it would of been mentioned or slightly shown at some point in the Index novels or that it would of occurred again since Misaka has been in a hell of a lot more high tension and pressure situations than this current arc in the manga which includes the third world war. How come no screen shot of the manga with this news? |
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Jul 26, 2013 1:38 AM
#3
Ok... I'm now thinking I should have just waited quietly for chapter 61 to be translated rather than clicking your spoiler because I'm now ridiculously curious with that spoiler. Specially since we can't forget this is chronologically much behind Index. I wonder how it'll be solved quickly enough without visible consequences for later in the novels (at least for so long). Plus, considering they were just now in a car heading for Exterior, that is the definition of the expression "things escalated quickly". (Also hoping that means a decently lenghted chapter this time.) |
Jul 26, 2013 8:40 AM
#4
Slicer22 said: I kind of hope thats not true since there has not even been a slight mention or even hint that Mikoto took such a huge step forward in the Index novels and it is something rather significant. You would of thought it would of been mentioned or slightly shown at some point in the Index novels or that it would of occurred again since Misaka has been in a hell of a lot more high tension and pressure situations than this current arc in the manga which includes the third world war. How come no screen shot of the manga with this news? Fine, here's a picture of the spoiler. Look at your own risk. It'll make the next three or four days until it comes out unbearable. :D and one more juicy bit of information: Aleister is mentioned as being behind the main plan. He'll most likely be relevant in future arcs of Railgun I was just as shocked. Also, it'll make sense when it comes out. I promise. |
dnivJul 26, 2013 9:04 AM
Jul 26, 2013 9:04 AM
#5
Well fuck me she looks a hell of alot more scary than when Accelerator first awakened she actually looks kind of demonic are those horns? Well we have not seen Accelerator in dark awakening ripping apart a certain someone or his dark awakening in Russia with a hundred wings spreading from his back yet so i will reserve on making the decision on who's dark awakening looks the scariest but atm pretty sure its Misaka even her eyes look demonic. |
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Jul 26, 2013 9:06 AM
#6
Slicer22 said: Well fuck me she looks a hell of alot more scary than when Accelerator first awakened she actually looks kind of demonic are those horns? Well we have not seen Accelerator in dark awakening ripping apart a certain someone or his dark awakening in Russia with a hundred wings spreading from his back yet so i will reserve on making the decision on who's dark awakening looks the scariest but atm pretty sure its Misaka even her eyes look demonic. Yes, they are. And yeah lol, that's what I thought. It was amazing. I'm really excited. That's why I said it was different. Also... we only know of 2 people so far in raildex associated with demons... I'm wondering if this is a hint? |
Jul 26, 2013 9:09 AM
#7
we only know of 2 people so far in raildex associated with demons... I'm wondering if this is a hint? Which two? I am pretty sure i know them but i can not be sure |
Othinus Touma Pairing http://hestia.dance/ |
Jul 26, 2013 9:11 AM
#8
Slicer22 said: we only know of 2 people so far in raildex associated with demons... I'm wondering if this is a hint? Which two? I am pretty sure i know them but i can not be sure Touma and Mikoto (lol) |
Jul 26, 2013 9:13 AM
#9
dniv said: Slicer22 said: I kind of hope thats not true since there has not even been a slight mention or even hint that Mikoto took such a huge step forward in the Index novels and it is something rather significant. You would of thought it would of been mentioned or slightly shown at some point in the Index novels or that it would of occurred again since Misaka has been in a hell of a lot more high tension and pressure situations than this current arc in the manga which includes the third world war. How come no screen shot of the manga with this news? Fine, here's a picture of the spoiler. Look at your own risk. It'll make the next three or four days until it comes out unbearable. :D and one more juicy bit of information: Aleister is mentioned as being behind the main plan. He'll most likely be relevant in future arcs of Railgun Juicy... Iron sand wings, maybe? The sparks at the end of them make that all the more likely. |
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Jul 26, 2013 9:17 AM
#10
CreationBreaker said: dniv said: Slicer22 said: I kind of hope thats not true since there has not even been a slight mention or even hint that Mikoto took such a huge step forward in the Index novels and it is something rather significant. You would of thought it would of been mentioned or slightly shown at some point in the Index novels or that it would of occurred again since Misaka has been in a hell of a lot more high tension and pressure situations than this current arc in the manga which includes the third world war. How come no screen shot of the manga with this news? Fine, here's a picture of the spoiler. Look at your own risk. It'll make the next three or four days until it comes out unbearable. :D and one more juicy bit of information: Aleister is mentioned as being behind the main plan. He'll most likely be relevant in future arcs of Railgun Juicy... Iron sand wings, maybe? The sparks at the end of them make that all the more likely. Read spoiler at own risk. Nope. Gensei tries to make her level 6 in his plan by using exterior to unlock safety levels of Misaka network. It is called a demonic awakening rather than an angel awakening. And it is happening. Not someone imagining it is happening. Js06 translated this. |
Jul 26, 2013 9:18 AM
#11
I wonder if her awakening will be stronger than Accelerator's awakening. If so, she has potential to become a level 6. Btw, this is just a speculation question but does this have anything to do with Last Order? |
Jul 26, 2013 9:20 AM
#12
Stark700 said: I wonder if her awakening will be stronger than Accelerator's awakening. If so, she has potential to become a level 6. Btw, this is just a speculation question but does this have anything to do with Last Order? I think it might have a connection to Misaka worst eventually and read my last post for an explanation, the one right before you posted. |
Jul 26, 2013 9:21 AM
#13
dniv said: Stark700 said: I wonder if her awakening will be stronger than Accelerator's awakening. If so, she has potential to become a level 6. Btw, this is just a speculation question but does this have anything to do with Last Order? I think it might have a connection to Misaka worst eventually and read my last post for an explanation, the one right before you posted. Oh I see. Guess that makes somewhat sense considering she's one of the prominent Misaka clones. |
Jul 26, 2013 9:29 AM
#14
You say she has "demon-awakening" but how does that make her a level 6? An awakening doesnt make you a god. |
Jul 26, 2013 9:31 AM
#15
Darkmousy0198 said: Well... You say she has "demon-awakening" but how does that make her a level 6? An awakening doesnt make you a god. Gensei is trying to make her level 6. She has already had a demon-awakening now. He most likely didn't succeed yet or won't... but it has far-reaching implications on what could happen in the future. After all, Mikoto is the first awakened esper to our knowledge now... This makes me think they will put in LAC because of it's relevance to season III |
Jul 26, 2013 9:33 AM
#16
dniv said: CreationBreaker said: dniv said: Slicer22 said: I kind of hope thats not true since there has not even been a slight mention or even hint that Mikoto took such a huge step forward in the Index novels and it is something rather significant. You would of thought it would of been mentioned or slightly shown at some point in the Index novels or that it would of occurred again since Misaka has been in a hell of a lot more high tension and pressure situations than this current arc in the manga which includes the third world war. How come no screen shot of the manga with this news? Fine, here's a picture of the spoiler. Look at your own risk. It'll make the next three or four days until it comes out unbearable. :D and one more juicy bit of information: Aleister is mentioned as being behind the main plan. He'll most likely be relevant in future arcs of Railgun Juicy... Iron sand wings, maybe? The sparks at the end of them make that all the more likely. Read spoiler at own risk. Nope. Gensei tries to make her level 6 in his plan by using exterior to unlock safety levels of Misaka network. It is called a demonic awakening rather than an angel awakening. And it is happening. Not someone imagining it is happening. Js06 translated this. No, no, I got that from what I saw on Animesuki, but that doesn't mean that the wings can't be iron sand wings especially since they look a lot like her iron sand ribbons. Also, this leads to an interesting question. What are the mechanistic differences between a Demon awakening and an Angel Awakening. What did Accelerator's black wings fall under? Is there a power difference or quality difference between the two types of awakenings, and so forth. Also, Could this Awakening have been what allowed for the birth of the Will of the Misaka Network? |
Ashen_MikoJul 26, 2013 9:36 AM
(Also known on other places as Hiss13) All hail the adorable chess master! |
Jul 26, 2013 9:36 AM
#17
CreationBreaker said: dniv said: CreationBreaker said: dniv said: Slicer22 said: I kind of hope thats not true since there has not even been a slight mention or even hint that Mikoto took such a huge step forward in the Index novels and it is something rather significant. You would of thought it would of been mentioned or slightly shown at some point in the Index novels or that it would of occurred again since Misaka has been in a hell of a lot more high tension and pressure situations than this current arc in the manga which includes the third world war. How come no screen shot of the manga with this news? Fine, here's a picture of the spoiler. Look at your own risk. It'll make the next three or four days until it comes out unbearable. :D and one more juicy bit of information: Aleister is mentioned as being behind the main plan. He'll most likely be relevant in future arcs of Railgun Juicy... Iron sand wings, maybe? The sparks at the end of them make that all the more likely. Read spoiler at own risk. Nope. Gensei tries to make her level 6 in his plan by using exterior to unlock safety levels of Misaka network. It is called a demonic awakening rather than an angel awakening. And it is happening. Not someone imagining it is happening. Js06 translated this. No, no, I got that from what I saw on Animesuki, but that doesn't mean that the wings can't be iron sand wings especially since they look a lot like her iron sand ribbons. Also, this leads to an interesting question. What are the mechanistic differences between a Demon awakening and an Angel Awakening. What did Accelerator's black wings fall under? Is there a power difference or quality difference between the two types of awakenings, and so forth. You are actually probably right about that. I just meant it was more significant than just simply that. Also, knowing this is true maybe it is also true that her wings are supposed to be developed. Technically she was the first one to awaken. If you are right this is her second time awakening! Also, I think Accelerator's was still an angel... even with the black wings but I am not sure... maybe you are right... but she seemed half and half. Kamachi made me so happy right now. |
Jul 26, 2013 9:44 AM
#18
dniv said: You are actually probably right about that. I just meant it was more significant than just simply that. Also, knowing this is true maybe it is also true that her wings are supposed to be developed. Technically she was the first one to awaken. If you are right this is her second time awakening! Also, I think Accelerator's was still an angel... even with the black wings but I am not sure... maybe you are right... but she seemed half and half. Kamachi made me so happy right now. I don't know... I would still say that Accelerator's Black Wings were also a Demon Awakening considering the demeanor he had with his first Awakening with Kihara Amata was kinda like this. Although, there is room for argument that his Black Wings were more of an incomplete version of his true Angel Awakening. Also, How does this imply that Mikoto has awakened once before? |
Ashen_MikoJul 26, 2013 9:50 AM
(Also known on other places as Hiss13) All hail the adorable chess master! |
Jul 26, 2013 9:50 AM
#19
CreationBreaker said: dniv said: You are actually probably right about that. I just meant it was more significant than just simply that. Also, knowing this is true maybe it is also true that her wings are supposed to be developed. Technically she was the first one to awaken. If you are right this is her second time awakening! Also, I think Accelerator's was still an angel... even with the black wings but I am not sure... maybe you are right... but she seemed half and half. Kamachi made me so happy right now. I don't know... I would still say that Accelerator's Black Wings were also a Demon Awakening considering the demeanor he had with his first Awakening with Kihara Amata was kinda like this. Although, there is room for argument that his Black Wings were more of an incomplete version of his tru Angel Awakening. Also, How does this imply that Mikoto has awakened once before? Her sand wings were probably not just a coincidence. If her iron sand wings are reminiscent of an awakened state then it means that she either had a partial awakening before during LA city with the 6 wings or that she had actually awakened but wasn't as strong as now. |
Jul 26, 2013 9:50 AM
#20
It does look demonic to me so it is probably a little different? Accelerator spoke in angelic language even in his dark awakening and i can see Misaka as nothing but demonic here, Accelerator always gave the vibe of an angel. CreationBreaker you asked about the difference between Accelerators dark and light wings well this is what the wikia says Black Wings He gains black wings towards the end of volume 13 when he had a epiphany right before he was nearly killed by Kihara, and fully awakened in his fight with the other level 5, Kakine Teitoku in Volume 15, during which he displayed a massive difference in power between them. When he Awakens, Accelerator usually loses almost all conscious control of himself and begins to speak in the language of the Angels. He gains the ability to understand laws that are hitherto unknown and unexplainable to him, and no longer needs to be touching vectors to control them. When under tremendous emotional pressure like in extreme rage, he manifests massive black wings, stated to be made of the same "Dark Matter" that the #2 Level 5 Kakine Teitoku creates with his ability. These wings do all the vector-related calculations for him, implied to be a much faster rate than his original calculating abilities- perhaps infinitely so, and as a result he does not need the Misaka Network to manipulate vectors. In volume 22, due to his pillar of support being changed by an epiphany after being defeated by Touma again, he manifests white wings and a halo and is able to block a massive amount of Telesma that Fiamma of the Right launched from the Star of Bethlehem. The Angelic nature of his ability is described as "The One Who Wields the Power of God" (「神にも等しい力の片鱗を振るう者」 Kami nimo hitoshii chikara no henrin wo furuu mono?). The impression i got from the novels was that the white form was more powerful and came from pure calmer emotions rather than his dark ones also he always lost control in the dark wings mode but retained all his composure in his white wing angel mode. |
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Jul 26, 2013 9:54 AM
#21
I wonder why Mikoto was so carefree at the end of the arc (you know dancing with Touma and all that). But maybe Misaki wiped her memory. Perhaps she could do it because after Mikotos "level 6 mode" ended she was completely exhausted and couldnt even keep her"anti-mind control barrier"(?). |
Jul 26, 2013 9:55 AM
#22
Slicer22 said: It does look demonic to me so it is probably a little different? Accelerator spoke in angelic language even in his dark awakening and i can see Misaka as nothing but demonic here, Accelerator always gave the vibe of an angel. CreationBreaker you asked about the difference between Accelerators dark and light wings well this is what the wikia says Black Wings He gains black wings towards the end of volume 13 when he had a epiphany right before he was nearly killed by Kihara, and fully awakened in his fight with the other level 5, Kakine Teitoku in Volume 15, during which he displayed a massive difference in power between them. When he Awakens, Accelerator usually loses almost all conscious control of himself and begins to speak in the language of the Angels. He gains the ability to understand laws that are hitherto unknown and unexplainable to him, and no longer needs to be touching vectors to control them. When under tremendous emotional pressure like in extreme rage, he manifests massive black wings, stated to be made of the same "Dark Matter" that the #2 Level 5 Kakine Teitoku creates with his ability. These wings do all the vector-related calculations for him, implied to be a much faster rate than his original calculating abilities- perhaps infinitely so, and as a result he does not need the Misaka Network to manipulate vectors. In volume 22, due to his pillar of support being changed by an epiphany after being defeated by Touma again, he manifests white wings and a halo and is able to block a massive amount of Telesma that Fiamma of the Right launched from the Star of Bethlehem. The Angelic nature of his ability is described as "The One Who Wields the Power of God" (「神にも等しい力の片鱗を振るう者」 Kami nimo hitoshii chikara no henrin wo furuu mono?). The impression i got from the novels was that the white form was more powerful and came from pure calmer emotions rather than his dark ones also he always lost control in the dark wings mode but retained all his composure in his white wing angel mode. This is a separate NT spoiler that's related might this have to do with her power in NT 6? @Darkmousy0198 I'm guessing you are right about that. |
Jul 26, 2013 10:21 AM
#23
dniv said: Her sand wings were probably not just a coincidence. If her iron sand wings are reminiscent of an awakened state then it means that she either had a partial awakening before during LA city with the 6 wings or that she had actually awakened but wasn't as strong as now. This is of course based on the assumption that the wings are made via iron sand and the iron sand wing idea is only a possibility. For all we know, they could be wings made of Dark Matter just like Accelerator's black wings. Once again, we don't know the mechanistic differences between the Angel and Demon Awakenings so we can't really say. Slicer22 said: It does look demonic to me so it is probably a little different? Accelerator spoke in angelic language even in his dark awakening and i can see Misaka as nothing but demonic here, Accelerator always gave the vibe of an angel. CreationBreaker you asked about the difference between Accelerators dark and light wings well this is what the wikia says Black Wings He gains black wings towards the end of volume 13 when he had a epiphany right before he was nearly killed by Kihara, and fully awakened in his fight with the other level 5, Kakine Teitoku in Volume 15, during which he displayed a massive difference in power between them. When he Awakens, Accelerator usually loses almost all conscious control of himself and begins to speak in the language of the Angels. He gains the ability to understand laws that are hitherto unknown and unexplainable to him, and no longer needs to be touching vectors to control them. When under tremendous emotional pressure like in extreme rage, he manifests massive black wings, stated to be made of the same "Dark Matter" that the #2 Level 5 Kakine Teitoku creates with his ability. These wings do all the vector-related calculations for him, implied to be a much faster rate than his original calculating abilities- perhaps infinitely so, and as a result he does not need the Misaka Network to manipulate vectors. In volume 22, due to his pillar of support being changed by an epiphany after being defeated by Touma again, he manifests white wings and a halo and is able to block a massive amount of Telesma that Fiamma of the Right launched from the Star of Bethlehem. The Angelic nature of his ability is described as "The One Who Wields the Power of God" (「神にも等しい力の片鱗を振るう者」 Kami nimo hitoshii chikara no henrin wo furuu mono?). The impression i got from the novels was that the white form was more powerful and came from pure calmer emotions rather than his dark ones also he always lost control in the dark wings mode but retained all his composure in his white wing angel mode. We still don't exactly have a clear answer about the complete nature of Accelerator's wings. The emotional state Accelerator is in could definitely have something to do with the wing color. But there are some more differences between the states that imply otherwise. For example, White winged Accelerator had a Halo. Black-winged Accelerator did not. All in all, we can't really say anything about Awakenings until we learn more about the mechanisms behind them and now that a new layer to the Awakening phenomenon has been added thanks to the Demon Awakening, there is far too much uncertainty in the process to completely understand it at this point. |
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Jul 26, 2013 10:37 AM
#24
Fuck me for clicking the spoiler.I thought "hm it wont be such a big deal in this arc" then bam wtf? Eh arent Demons, Angels that just take orders from something other than God/dont take at all?Wasnt this the explanation we had before? Then there cant be much difference between the two awakenings. As for Accelerator and his two versions.Maybe being in control or not is important for the amount of power. |
ssjokgJul 26, 2013 10:41 AM
Jul 26, 2013 11:09 AM
#25
ssjokg said: Fuck me for clicking the spoiler.I thought "hm it wont be such a big deal in this arc" then bam wtf? Eh arent Demons, Angels that just take orders from something other than God/dont take at all?Wasnt this the explanation we had before? Then there cant be much difference between the two awakenings. As for Accelerator and his two versions.Maybe being in control or not is important for the amount of power. Maybe... I dunno about that explanation. Not if you think about Touma's name... and IB... This should also clearly give hope for Liberal Arts City. |
Jul 26, 2013 11:16 AM
#26
dniv said: What does his name and IB have to do with that?ssjokg said: Fuck me for clicking the spoiler.I thought "hm it wont be such a big deal in this arc" then bam wtf? Eh arent Demons, Angels that just take orders from something other than God/dont take at all?Wasnt this the explanation we had before? Then there cant be much difference between the two awakenings. As for Accelerator and his two versions.Maybe being in control or not is important for the amount of power. Maybe... I dunno about that explanation. Not if you think about Touma's name... and IB... This should also clearly give hope for Liberal Arts City. |
Jul 26, 2013 11:19 AM
#27
Thread moved. This isn't discussion about the Railgun anime but about the Railgun manga. |
Jul 26, 2013 11:22 AM
#28
Luna_ said: Thread moved. This isn't discussion about the Railgun anime but about the Railgun manga. Ok. But I mentioned it because it makes the appearance of liberal arts city arc in Railgun S very probable... which has to do with Railgun S directly... By the way, Touma's name... purifying god and exorcising the DEVIL... you don't think Accelerator and Mikoto? |
dnivJul 26, 2013 11:25 AM
Jul 26, 2013 11:50 AM
#29
dniv said: What does that have to do with the power or the source of the Luna_ said: Thread moved. This isn't discussion about the Railgun anime but about the Railgun manga. Ok. But I mentioned it because it makes the appearance of liberal arts city arc in Railgun S very probable... which has to do with Railgun S directly... By the way, Touma's name... purifying god and exorcising the DEVIL... you don't think Accelerator and Mikoto? awakenings? |
Jul 26, 2013 12:24 PM
#30
dniv said: Anyway... this is a spoiler so I'll spoiler it. It has to do with chapter 60 of the railgun manga. You mean the 61st chapter. Really surprised by those spoilers. Waiting for the full chapter to understand that better. |
Jul 26, 2013 1:04 PM
#31
Darkmousy0198 said: I wonder why Mikoto was so carefree at the end of the arc (you know dancing with Touma and all that). But maybe Misaki wiped her memory. Perhaps she could do it because after Mikotos "level 6 mode" ended she was completely exhausted and couldnt even keep her"anti-mind control barrier"(?). That would make the most sense considering there don't seem to be any consequences on Mikoto afterwards. BUT isn't her barrier a passive thing? I'm pretty sure it's just a consequence of the weak electromagnectic waves she subconsciously emmits. You know, due to her AIM field. Although I'm really looking forward to seeing how this goes now. (kinda annoyed I spent the day out and missed the whole discussion) Also, a question for you, dniv: Is Gensei's use for Exterior what was supposd to be its original purpose? And I don't think that's likely, so if it is's not, then is Exterior's original purpose revealed in this chapter? Ever since the researchers said they wouldn't need Shokuhou after Exterior was completed I kinda assumed it was supposd to he relatd to the FIVE_Over projects. |
Jul 26, 2013 6:47 PM
#32
I'm just going to leave this here: The level 5's. |
Jul 26, 2013 7:27 PM
#33
Stark700 said: I'm just going to leave this here: The level 5's. To think Misaka used to be considered the most normal one now it is probably between Shokuhou Misaki and Sogiita Gunha, number 6 does not count because we dont know fuck all about him/her (probably him) and that is weird enough. |
DragoonDeusJul 26, 2013 7:34 PM
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Jul 26, 2013 10:58 PM
#34
I was wondering even if Misaka becomes a level 6 how could she bypass Accelerator's barrier? |
Jul 27, 2013 2:59 AM
#35
Demonspeed said: Why would God have any problem with any kind of barrier?I was wondering even if Misaka becomes a level 6 how could she bypass Accelerator's barrier? |
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