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MonoReaper said: Rukoudiora said: You have to remember, it was a symbol of hope to the class that got killed along with brainwashing techniques. I'm glad it wasn't the student council's video, but this makes sense to me. Okay, I understand you aren't happy with the brainwashing thing but I personally don't see how else you'd get someone like Nekomaru or Gundham or even Akane to fall into despair. This is to me, the most logical conclusion. It's not like Mahiru ASKED Sato to kill Fuyuhiko's sister, if you even look back at episode 3, Mahiru believed Sato that she didn't kill. I rule out Mahiru and co. out because of this. Someone like Fuyuhiko and Peko killing someone they hate and not feeling despair is understandable even if they are high school students. Let me ask you this. Did Leon fall into despair after he killed Sayaka? No. Did Mondo fall into despair? No. Did Celeste? No. etc. Killing someone doesn't necessarily bring despair, it depends on the person too. Someone like Fuyuhiko who is the heir to the biggest mafia clan in Japan wont fall into despair after killing someone who killed his sister. It's not that I'm heartless, I'm just thinking based on the series, not in real life. Sorry if I offended you in some way by the way. You know the whole reason of a murder case in DR2 was because Mahiru at that time saw who killed Fuyuhikos sister and that`s why Peko killd her in the house near the beach. But Mahiru didn't see her kill Fuyuhiko's sister, we can see that in episode 3. |
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Pride- said: MonoReaper said: It sill bugs me how the went all full despair in this episode. I mean remeber this or the conversation between Nagito and Monokuma?  Again >Believing Junko She says in the same trial that Izuru killed the enire council DR always had heavy brainwashing themes. Kamukura, DR1 memory wipe, DR0 first memory wipe but Junko made it back alone from her alter Ego Ryoko, Mind controle helmets from DRAnotherEpisode, DR2 again memory wipe trough the NeoWorldProgamm. There was always brainwashing in some form and it was always explained and somewhat logical for this universe. BUT this was never mentioned. It is not the case of Kamukuras killing game. The thing that Junko lied and used this was logical and in the fandom always suspect because Kamukura was the Übermensch so why would he participate in the first place with his power he could escape easily. This time we have so much hints so much information about the entire cast their backround and the whole incidient itself. And all for nothing? Forgotten and never used? This is not the level of writing/plot twist i know from Kodaka that always had a suprise a shocker a mindfuck. This is just meh.....out of context. Expected but not logical. It is just sad that so much build up for certan events will never happen or happened because of the evil Anime & the evil book that makes you despair. |
Flawfinder said: The execution of the brainwashing was really disappointing. I mean c'mon, the brainwashing is so strong that they just stand there? At least strap them into a chair like you did with Yukizome last week. I'm not turning against the show or anything since my interest in Danganronpa lies in the war between hope and despair combined with what happens when you push anime stereotypes/different talents to the breaking point (plus, I always found this to be the weaker of the two shows anyways since it suffers from Steins;Gate syndrome whereas Future started its plot right away), but this really should have played out better. And why are people saying this show is rushed? It was fucking slow as shit until the halfway point. Aside from Natsumi's murder nothing happened but character interactions and setup until Junko showed up. Rukoudiora said: Also yeah, I agree that Juzo losing to Junko was bullshit. This guy is the ultimate boxer that won the world title in fucking high school. Didn't she sic a gang of brainwashed students on him? There's no way he can take on that many at once. Yeah, I posted something just before your comment realizing this. Sorry |
| On a scale of 1 to 10 of things that are not okay with me, this episode was a 100! I wasn't expecting Nanami to be tortured to death! Die, yes, but tortured? Nope. Not my Nanami. But that's okay... This episode filled me with so much despair... What did I need my heart for anyway? ;( |
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Rukoudiora said: MonoReaper said: You know the whole reason of a murder case in DR2 was because Mahiru at that time saw who killed Fuyuhikos sister and that`s why Peko killd her in the house near the beach. But Mahiru didn't see her kill Fuyuhiko's sister, we can see that in episode 3. You should replay the murder case in DR2 with Peko as the culprit and you know why your argument is not valid. |
Because you said you saw it many times before as the fake Naegi line their bodys are brainwashed. |
trannon1 said: If it was just mobs characters, like the Reserve Course Students (I'm feeling so bad for calling them mobs) I wouldn't mind, but you don't treat your main characters the same way as mob characters. These characters were the "Elites" of Ultimate Despair, as was seen in the Future Arc. They fought toe-to-toe with the Future Foundation leaders, you know? I don't get why Junko would use a different way to turn them to Despair. She said in DR2 that she doesn't care about them and only see them as side characters. The reason that they are "Elites" is because they have talents that are very dangerous and isn't like they are the onlys UD, Killer killer and DRT (If you consider it canon) shows that there are a lot of UD. |
MonoReaper said: I said that in the past? I have a shit memory for half of the things I say in MAL.Because you said you saw it many times before as the fake Naegi line their bodys are brainwashed. In any case, that's not the fake Neagi. Kirigiri and Togami are also with him as well. |
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| Jesus fucking christ this was just downright cruel and hard to watch. i was kind of expecting kodaka to asspull chiaki to the ending of future arc but i guess not, maybe he really did follow through on killing kirigiri |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
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Rukoudiora said: MonoReaper said: You should replay the murder case in DR2 with Peko as the culprit and you know why your argument is not valid. I understand what you mean, but that was just a game they played, it could've easily been faked and twisted, watching episode 3, it revealed Mahiru believed that Sato didn't kill Fuyuhiko's sister. Junko never lied about the motives of a murder case in a trial or else the whole mutual killing game in the VR of the NWP would make no sense because she easily without trials could make a battle royal out of this game. Or she could just fake evidence in the cases itself to kill the wrong person and let it count. Junko always enjoyed that peoples dark secrets filled with despair would come to light and make a motive for murder and greater despair. It`s like saying that everything is a lie because Junko could fake everything at any moment in the entire series in DR1 in DR2 in DR0. |
ImaginBreaker said: So one thing. I'm guessing the last two episodes will be based in the present. Probably see if they all woke up from their comas and to show what that boat scene meant and how they reached that point. or maybe it will include some scenes while they are in despair, you know, the two despairs massacred people (Sonia and Kazuichi), a despair removed his own eye (Fuyuhiko), despairs offered their parents to Junko, despairs starved themselves and a despair having sex with Junko's dead body. |
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trannon1 said: Ultimate Chef = Dangerous? Ultimate Dancer = Dangerous? Ultimate Light Music = Dangerous? You kind of prove my point with that. Why would Junko waste her time to turn the Ultimate chef,Photograph and dancer into Despairs? Using brainwash makes more sense. Also, I get why you can be disapointed about it, but i'm Ok with it because it actually makes more sense and doesn't make the DR2 looks like edgy tennagers that start killing people and become a living puippet for a blonde that said that life is shit. |
MonoReaper said: Rukoudiora said: I understand what you mean, but that was just a game they played, it could've easily been faked and twisted, watching episode 3, it revealed Mahiru believed that Sato didn't kill Fuyuhiko's sister. Junko never lied about the motives of a murder case in a trial or else the whole mutual killing game in the VR of the NWP would make no sense because she easily without trials could make a battle royal out of this game. Or she could just fake evidence in the cases itself to kill the wrong person and let it count. Junko always enjoyed that peoples dark secrets filled with despair would come to light and make a motive for murder and greater despair. It`s like saying that everything is a lie because Junko could fake everything at any moment in the entire series in DR1 in DR2 in DR0. I'm not saying she lied, she didn't lie. What I'm saying is, they played a game based on a real event that happened. Not every detail will be known about what happened in the twilight syndrome case. I mean Junko made the game right? Then explain how she even knew about every single detail that happened that day. I'm sure she found out via the computer from HPA or asked some higher up which she tortured and got the key from. She knew the basics, doesn't mean she knew everything from what happened that day. It clearly shows in episode 3 that Mahiru didn't see Sato kill Fuyuhiko's sister and she believed that Sato didn't. |
ImaginBreaker said: I'm pissed because I thought it would be a nice redemption story for the second game cast. Instead they were just victims. It really cheapens the blow of the whole epic scene at the end of 2. It was stated they were brainwashed in SDR2, which implies they were victims. |
| first thought it was pretty funny that Juuzou turned out to be gay but at the same time i like that alot more than it being the same thing but this ep man was it messed up out of all the deaths in this series Nanami seriously had it the worst out of everyone else really didnt deserve it like that just made me hate junko that much more ( even though already know how that ends up ) also annoyed how no one thought to even think it was weird that Tsumiki was able to give the other 2 directions on how to get to where they was anyway looking forward to the next ep and seeing everything else that leads up to everything else |
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Pride- said: trannon1 said: Ultimate Chef = Dangerous? Ultimate Dancer = Dangerous? Ultimate Light Music = Dangerous? You kind of prove my point with that. Why would Junko waste her time to turn the Ultimate chef,Photograph and dancer into Despairs? Using brainwash makes more sense. Also, I get why you can be disapointed about it, but i'm Ok with it because it actually makes more sense and doesn't make the DR2 looks like edgy tennagers that start killing people and become a living puippet for a blonde that said that life is shit. WTF? The RoD were always that Junkos puppets that killed for her. |
MonoReaper said: KamuiGavin said: I read some comments and can't do anything but laugh. You guys seriously think one person can turn another into a psychotic killer just by using some lame speech about despair? Reality is not always like this, kids, go out from your bubble just for a bit. Yeah, the brainwashing video is not really the best explanation for the class turning into despair, but it makes way more sense than Junko somehow turning them all into sick, twisted people by talking to them about despair. Yeah, I know in SDR2 Kodaka said otherwise, but oh well, not even Shakespeare's writing was perfect. By the way, Junko didn't just broadcast Chiaki's death. She did it using Mitarai's brainwashing techniques at the same time. Junko says it herself, that she needed more despair to turn the class into her puppets, and what can cause more despair than killing their "leader"?. If they had just watched the torture without any brainwashing, they would have just remained sad and angry. As for the episode, no doubt is the most saddest and painful to watch episode so far, and one of the best episodes of despair. We all knew Chiaki was going to die, but I never thought it was going to be so painful to watch. And the last scene was so touching, and Izuru crying was like feeling an arrow piercing my heart. This just confirms my theory more and more, that Kamukura is not entirely a bad guy, and even now Hajime still lives through him. Man, thank you, Kodaka, for making Izuru a much deeper character. My only complain is that Juzo suddenly being defeated was lame, and the blackmailing was even more lame. But other than that it was a solid episode. If Kodaka manages to make the next episodes to be much better and great, Despair side would have reached the level of masterpiece. We humans have peoples in our history records that did this exactliy. The best example is Adolf Hitler. He was so good at talking and a charismatic leader that the people followed him. They killed for him in wars and even killed and gruesome amount of jewish people becasue he said they were pure evil and are the devils that are at fault for every evil in the world. This is was Junko was. Twisted and outright evil leaders like that. She was exactly that. Outright evil and charismatic enough to brainwash people for her own purposes. But in that example, Hitler still was able to convince people to kill the Jews because he told them that it was for a good reason, that it would make the world better and stuff, and the people probably didn't know much about the jews themselves so they could do it without merci... Now here, she has to somehow make them kill people that are closer to them (People from their own country, friends, family, other loved ones) for obvious bad reasons, or in Despair case, for no reason at all, because the despair Junko hopes to acchieve is something devoid of reason a.k.a despair for the sake of more despair... Now by brainwashing them, she was able to do the pratically impossible, make them cause despair for no reason other than to cause despair...Despair in its true, raw nature.... |
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| Well....Shit that made me emotional. That was brutal to watch Chiaki go through that and all she wanted to do was be with everyone....just....damn. I don't know how I feel about this episode |
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| Chiaki's death was so hard to watch. like seriously her death in both SDR2 and this ep were the best executions, but still damn,,,, also, i STILL have hope that Chiaki's little arc isn't over yet because i still believe that maybe Izuru saved her using his ultimate powers or whatever because she's not boring as she somehow was able to crack through him as the man who was supposed to be perfect and devoid of feelings and such actually cried over her. i don't believe this is the end for Chiaki tbh (or rather, i just can't believe that. i'd rather have her be possibly revived and fall into despair than have my girl die ;~;) |
trannon1 said: MonoReaper said: Junko never lied about the motives of a murder case in a trial or else the whole mutual killing game in the VR of the NWP would make no sense because she easily without trials could make a battle royal out of this game. Or she could just fake evidence in the cases itself to kill the wrong person and let it count. Junko always enjoyed that peoples dark secrets filled with despair would come to light and make a motive for murder and greater despair. It`s like saying that everything is a lie because Junko could fake everything at any moment in the entire series in DR1 in DR2 in DR0. Actually, when I think about it, she technically can. The only time she couldn't was in DR1 because the whole world was watching. She wanted to force the world into despair by showing them these kids who were representing Hope killing one another and forcing the world into despair, thus she could not properly cheat, otherwise the Future Foundation and those who fought for hope would see that she is cheating and regain hope. In DR2 and DR0, she doesn't have these shackles, so she can actually do whatever she wants. Although it is true that Hinata mentions how Monokuma doesn't lie about murder motives. And it is true, in DR1, she lies exactly twice. One is about the outside world being poisoned, the other is about who killed Ikusaba. So she technically doesn't lie about murder motives? The outside world is posined with the bio weapons that also was never really explained other than Towa City created air cleaners against this bio weapon. The Mukuro is not a valid argument or else explain to me why she would just outright say in a trial she killed her sister and let Naegi and the other easy win? In every trial the culprit lies to safe his ass and kill all the others. This is the whole concept of the DR trials. Are you actually trying to prova a point with the gameplay itself? In that lying is the obvious state of things or else the whole point about the trials would not exist and the game would be over in a secound because nobody lies in muder trials? |
Rukoudiora said: MonoReaper said: Junko never lied about the motives of a murder case in a trial or else the whole mutual killing game in the VR of the NWP would make no sense because she easily without trials could make a battle royal out of this game. Or she could just fake evidence in the cases itself to kill the wrong person and let it count. Junko always enjoyed that peoples dark secrets filled with despair would come to light and make a motive for murder and greater despair. It`s like saying that everything is a lie because Junko could fake everything at any moment in the entire series in DR1 in DR2 in DR0. I'm not saying she lied, she didn't lie. What I'm saying is, they played a game based on a real event that happened. Not every detail will be known about what happened in the twilight syndrome case. I mean Junko made the game right? Then explain how she even knew about every single detail that happened that day. I'm sure she found out via the computer from HPA or asked some higher up which she tortured and got the key from. She knew the basics, doesn't mean she knew everything from what happened that day. It clearly shows in episode 3 that Mahiru didn't see Sato kill Fuyuhiko's sister and she believed that Sato didn't. Because as the virus she had knowledge about their suppressed memorys as RoD+time in Hopes Peak and had access to every memory of them before they were put in the NeoWorldPtroamm? |
MonoReaper said: WTF? The RoD were always that Junkos puppets that killed for her. Yeah,That's what i said. I was talking about how becomeming a puppet for being brainwashed makes more sense that becoming a puppet because she said that life is shit. |
trannon1 said: Stated by Fake Naegi, aka Junko, aka Miss Liar ;P Aren't you the guy that is using the script about how Junko turn them to Despair as an argument? That's kind hypocrite. |
HyperL said: MonoReaper said: We humans have peoples in our history records that did this exactliy. The best example is Adolf Hitler. He was so good at talking and a charismatic leader that the people followed him. They killed for him in wars and even killed and gruesome amount of jewish people becasue he said they were pure evil and are the devils that are at fault for every evil in the world. This is was Junko was. Twisted and outright evil leaders like that. She was exactly that. Outright evil and charismatic enough to brainwash people for her own purposes. But in that example, Hitler still was able to convince people to kill the Jews because he told them that it was for a good reason, that it would make the world better and stuff, and the people probably didn't know much about the jews themselves so they could do it without merci... Now here, she has to somehow make them kill people that are closer to them (People from their own country, friends, family, other loved ones) for obvious bad reasons, or in Despair case, for no reason at all, because the despair Junko hopes to acchieve is something devoid of reason a.k.a despair for the sake of more despair... Now by brainwashing them, she was able to do the pratically impossible, make them cause despair for no reason other than to cause despair...Despair in its true, raw nature.... Ask ISIS followers why they kill woman children etc. even their own country for the greater good of a exitence called "Allah" people for the sake of their madness and "greater good". Good and evil are human concepts to presevere the order of our race and prevents us from killing our own species. The heavy theme of Hope and Despair in DR are the equivalent to Good & Evil. Evil can be Good and Good can be Evil. White Despair and Black Hope. Heck guys do we really need to talk about "Good" and "Evil" and Junkos "Good" And Evil "Despair" and "Hope"?!? After all this games it should be clear. Not matter what the "Greater goood" the "greater cause is" If you press the right buttons humans will lose themselfes in fanaticism, blind beliefs and tunnel vision. They will blindly follow their leader in their madness. Whatever the reason may be humans can do the worst and idiotic things for the the smallest and idiotic reasons. |
| This whole episode episode I still had a tiny fragment of left until I saw the exit and thought, "Yep, Junko will not let Chiaki out alive." It's like we're watching the despair anime right along with them! |
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trannon1 said: Pride- said: Aren't you the guy that is using the script about how Junko turn them to Despair as an argument? That's kind hypocrite. Nope? I am totally against brainwashing y video so why would I support brainwashing? I was talking about this: trannon1 said: MonoReaper said: It sill bugs me how the went all full despair in this episode. I mean remeber this or the conversation between Nagito and Monokuma? Instead of that, you get this:  A bunch of drooling idiots. |
trannon1 said: MonoReaper said: The outside world is posined with the bio weapons that also was never really explained other than Towa City created air cleaners against this bio weapon. The Mukuro is not a valid argument or else explain to me why she would just outright say in a trial she killed her sister and let Naegi and the other easy win? In every trial the culprit lies to safe his ass and kill all the others. This is the whole concept of the DR trials. Are you actually trying to prova a point with the gameplay itself? In that lying is the obvious state of things or else the whole point about the trials would not exist and the game would be over in a secound because nobody lies in muder trials? Like I said, she lied exactly twice in DR1. And there were good reasons for lying, but she still lied, even while the whole world was watching. What I am saying it that since she is Monokuma in DR2, she can technically distort facts to suit her needs, since she has no reason not to. The world isn't watching her in DR2, so she can have all the fun she wants. She has motive, reason, and nothing to hold her back. Whether she lies or not is not the issue, I am just saying that she has the capability to do so. Again if so than everything about the whole DR concept would be pointless. Every motivation and reason fo entire characters would be pointless. You say things to what if scenarios that were clearly never meant to be like that. What she could and not could say lie or do is what if. But we know what happened The whole thing about the world watching why would she care? The world already gone shit and she easily could turn of the view for the watchers around the world for the sake of fakeing and manipulating a murder case and nobody would know. |
p3rf3c7ch405 said: chiaki is dead as fuck, the flowers hinata was placing when he met naegi was definitely for chiakiChiaki's death was so hard to watch. like seriously her death in both SDR2 and this ep were the best executions, but still damn,,,, also, i STILL have hope that Chiaki's little arc isn't over yet because i still believe that maybe Izuru saved her using his ultimate powers or whatever because she's not boring as she somehow was able to crack through him as the man who was supposed to be perfect and devoid of feelings and such actually cried over her. i don't believe this is the end for Chiaki tbh (or rather, i just can't believe that. i'd rather have her be possibly revived and fall into despair than have my girl die ;~;) |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Oh you mean't that script. I thought you were talking about the script where Fake Naegi says "Your true bodies have only been brainwashed. This is miscommunication. |
Kirigiri50 said: MightyM16 said: Seems like this anime really managed to make people truly hate Junko But c'mon guys, did you expected anything else ? This is the despair arc Actually i want Junko to be alive again and someone should torture her with every single method she use to torture people I would laugh so much It make me cry with happiness seeing her death It will be enjoyable. You would only make Junko happy with that. She gets off on despair |
MonoReaper said: HyperL said: But in that example, Hitler still was able to convince people to kill the Jews because he told them that it was for a good reason, that it would make the world better and stuff, and the people probably didn't know much about the jews themselves so they could do it without merci... Now here, she has to somehow make them kill people that are closer to them (People from their own country, friends, family, other loved ones) for obvious bad reasons, or in Despair case, for no reason at all, because the despair Junko hopes to acchieve is something devoid of reason a.k.a despair for the sake of more despair... Now by brainwashing them, she was able to do the pratically impossible, make them cause despair for no reason other than to cause despair...Despair in its true, raw nature.... Ask ISIS followers why they kill woman children etc. even their own country for the greater good of a exitence called "Allah" people for the sake of their madness and "greater good". Good and evil are human concepts to presevere the order of our race and prevents us from killing our own species. The heavy theme of Hope and Despair in DR are the equivalent to Good & Evil. Evil can be Good and Good can be Evil. White Despair and Black Hope. Heck guys do we really need to talk about "Good" and "Evil" and Junkos "Good" And Evil "Despair" and "Hope"?!? After all this games it should be clear. Not matter what the "Greater goood" the "greater cause is" If you press the right buttons humans will lose themselfes in fanaticism, blind beliefs and tunnel vision. They will blindly follow their leader in their madness. Whatever the reason may be humans can do the worst and idiotic things for the the smallest and idiotic reasons. I understand the good vs evil concept of DR..But making people do evil because they believe they're doing good is not Despair in itself, it is just deception that can be resolved (or not) by a sympathetic speech...Much like how the villains in shonen believe what they're doing is for the greater good and the MC has to prove him wrong with a long speech...Actually that is kind of what happens with Naegi and Munakata in Mirai ep.10...Now someone who was truly taken by despair is someone who would do evil things not for a greater good, but for a greater bad, they would know that what they doing is wrong and still go for it...An example? Junko herself, she know very well that everything she is doing is disgustingly evil and thats exactly why she does it...Someone who succumbed to despair is someone who would act like her in that sense... |
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better than unredeeming edgy assholes who decided to fuck the world up because of "muh insecurities" MonoReaper said: It sill bugs me how the went all full despair in this episode. I mean remeber this or the conversation between Nagito and Monokuma? You do know Monokuma(and by extension Junko) is a freaking liar, right? trannon1 said: MightyM16 said: THIS I don't get the complaints Did people wanted the DR2 cast to be murderous assholes because "muh sad past"? Because it doesn't really make sense? I mean if I saw my friend being tortured then killed, I would want revenge. Aren't these idiots supposed to be Ultimates? Alright, they are high-school kids, but still. Let's put this another way, if instead of watching a video of their friend being tortured and killed for 5 minutes, they saw Chisa, their beloved teacher for quite some time now, killing their friend right in front of them, I would say that would have been more reasonable, make more sense, and more despair-inducing. Someone they trust killing their friend, not many people can recover from that. I call the execution wasted effort and time. Can you see these idiots being the ones to lead the entire world into Despair? The writing feels very cheap, and there are a lot of wasted potential, like the Twilight Incident. Why exactly was the point of it, other than a cameo? It could have been used as the root of Kuzuryuu, Peko, Ibuki, Hiyoko, Mahiru, and Tsumiki's despair, because it involved them killing people. Nope, the damn thing was glossed over like it was nothing, except for being the reason why Hinata got mad and wanted to be an Ultimate. Wasted potential I say. Junko needs more personal time, like how she screwed Juuzo over so badly. That was one of the highlights of this episode, as well as the end scene between Nanami and Hinata. The anime is conflicting with the lore of the games, and that is just screwed up. Why are you forgetting that Mitarai's brainwashing techniques were applied to the video they were seeing? And if Chisa was trying to kill Chiaki in front of them, they would have stopped her, the reason they couldn't move i becaue the video was basically capturing their attention completely Do you honestly believe Junko manipulating them with "muh insecurites" and making them destroy the world just with that isn't more pathetic than them falling into a trap and receiving brainwashing to enjoy the feeling of creating and receiving despair? The Twilight case affected a couple of them but they eventually got over it because they had the support of the class and could keep going foward, what use would Junko have to bring that incident back? Create infghting among them or something? How would this lead to her creating of literal despair junkies who killed for fun? |
MightyM16 said: better than unredeeming edgy assholes who decided to fuck the world up because of "muh insecurities" MonoReaper said: It sill bugs me how the went all full despair in this episode. I mean remeber this or the conversation between Nagito and Monokuma? You do know Monokuma(and by extension Junko) is a freaking liar, right? trannon1 said: Because it doesn't really make sense? I mean if I saw my friend being tortured then killed, I would want revenge. Aren't these idiots supposed to be Ultimates? Alright, they are high-school kids, but still. Let's put this another way, if instead of watching a video of their friend being tortured and killed for 5 minutes, they saw Chisa, their beloved teacher for quite some time now, killing their friend right in front of them, I would say that would have been more reasonable, make more sense, and more despair-inducing. Someone they trust killing their friend, not many people can recover from that. I call the execution wasted effort and time. Can you see these idiots being the ones to lead the entire world into Despair? The writing feels very cheap, and there are a lot of wasted potential, like the Twilight Incident. Why exactly was the point of it, other than a cameo? It could have been used as the root of Kuzuryuu, Peko, Ibuki, Hiyoko, Mahiru, and Tsumiki's despair, because it involved them killing people. Nope, the damn thing was glossed over like it was nothing, except for being the reason why Hinata got mad and wanted to be an Ultimate. Wasted potential I say. Junko needs more personal time, like how she screwed Juuzo over so badly. That was one of the highlights of this episode, as well as the end scene between Nanami and Hinata. The anime is conflicting with the lore of the games, and that is just screwed up. Why are you forgetting that Mitarai's brainwashing techniques were applied to the video they were seeing? And if Chisa was trying to kill Chiaki in front of them, they would have stopped her, the reason they couldn't move i becaue the video was basically capturing their attention completely Do you honestly believe Junko manipulating them with "muh insecurites" and making them destrpy the world just with that isn't more pathetic than them falling into a trap and receiving brainwashing to enjoy the feeling of creating and receiving despair? Because Junko is supposed to be Ultimate Despair so she needs to be the Big Bad? Because brainwashing through a video is just dumb, especially since Chisa had to be restrained while they stood dumbly watching their friend die? Because taking advantage of their insecurities would be more realistic than a video brainwashing people which makes it less pathetic than a Deux Ex Machina where a video literally changes the world? Because terrorists and armies have killed over insecurities of religion and leaders? Ok. I dislike brainwashing by video, whatever. It won't change the fact that it happened, so bla. |
I KNEW I COULD USE THIS GIF HERE: lol despair (And yeah, the reason they couldn't move or close their eyes is that they were being brainwashed by that point) |
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The ending in a nutshell... and all of that tortue done to Chiaki. That wasn't needed. Kodaka is looking like Urobuchi right now, imo. :nauseated face: |
orphen20 said: Really disappointed. The brainwash is awfully cheap. So is Amnesia... oh wait. |
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