Danganronpa 3: The End of Kibougamine Gakuen - Mirai-hen Episode 7 Discussion

kacaj said:
I´m gonna throw in a theory then:
In Monokuma´s explanation there is a huge gap. He says the following about the game clear condition : - If the the time limit hits and no one is dead it´s game clear. The funny thing is that there are acutally 2 time limits, one for the participants and one for the killer. Monokuma is just speeking in a manner, to make us sure that he is speaking about the killer´s time limits. So basically their true object would be not to find the killer, but to stop the killings between them.

It´s my theory, so it´s not encouraging that even I don´t believe it, but there is surely a gap in Monokuma´s words which makes it possible. Also till now both times someone died before the participants time limit reached zero. ( Daisaku, Tengen )

Maybe this episode will be able to crush this theory too .-

Dreams_of_Neko said:


Hmm, I think Munakata said something related to that when facing Naegi. The killer doesn't actually need to kill, and if they don't, the game is clear, which means the culprit would scape and even keep infiltrated in the Future Foundation.

kacaj said:


Sorry, maybe I explained it a little badly, and you misunderstood, because that thing with Munakata has no relation to what I said. There are 2 time limits :
1. When everyone is awake. ( 2 hours )
2. When the killer is awake, and he should kill someone. ( unknown lenght )

I tried to say, that it is possible, that they have to stop the killings in the first kind of time limit, not in the second.

Dreams_of_Neko said:


I understood that part, and that is why I refuted with Munakata's explanation that you are the kill, you just don't need to kill anymore to get out of the game, so there shouldn't be a need for 2 times.

But this reminds me the deaths of most of the participants: Chisa was hanging from the chandelier, Gozu was hanging from a broken ceiling that was apparently not broken before going to sleep, and Seiko was smashed to a wall, which was previously intact. What happened after they went to sleep and we found the corpses?

Argh. I need to go for now. But I will be thinking about your theory.

See ya.

kacaj said:


I got what you say now, It´s funny that in how many aspects can you interpret Munakata´s words. I just didn´t think of Munakata being able to seen trough Monokuma´s words. If he would´ve seen trough it then he´s acting like he doesn´t wants to finish the game before killing everyone who he thinks is suspicious or wrong for the Future Foundation.

It would be fun to see this thery become true, because it would mean that the first attacker was actually Juzo and the second Munakata himself.

Dreams_of_Neko said:


Gonna transcript Monokuma Rules:

1. When the time on your arm bangles runs out, you will all be injected with a sleeping drug.

2. The Attacker: While you're asleep, one attacker will wake up. The attacker will be given a time limit within which to kill exactly one person. So basically, there's a traitor! If you don't take care of it, the Future Foundation has no future. Well, why not just pick someone who looks like the attacker and off them?
If the time limit hits, and nobody's dead, you win the game!

3. Forbidden Actions: Look at your bangles. Each of you has a single action that you aren't allowed to perform. Perform that action, and your bangle will administer a lethal dose of poison.
*Monokuma triggers FA and dies by lethal Upupu*
By the way, try to rip off the bangles and the poison will be injected, 'kay?

Hmm, maybe you're not that far with your theory. From the first rule we infer that EVERYONE is injected with the sleeping drug. Apparently, all at the same time. And then one attacker is woken up and given ANOTHER time limit to kill one person.

And then there is something else in the rules that might answer @Manecleis doubt about the attacker only being one person. The second rule states that one attacker will wake up. This could be interpreted as "One of many", if not, Monokuma could have simply said "the attacker". Someone in a reddit thread commented on it.
By Duckzono on reddit: "Omaera ga nemuteru aida ni shuugekisha hitori ga mezamemasu." So in English: During the time that you guys are sleeping, one attacker will wake up.
shuugekisha hitori refers to one attacker, which could be implied that if there was only one attacker, he could've just said shuugekisha.

Not 100% sure about this. After all, Kirigiri explains in episode 8 the workings of the attacker. Ah, but there is something she still haven't mentioned. The mess around the bodies. Those who had been killed by the dagger attacker were in some sort of fight before their deaths.

- Chisa died with her eyes open, and she was also tearing. When her face was cleaned, some dried blood smudges are seen under her eyes and mouth, which implies she was in a standing position when her blood came out. She was probably caught by surprise. Well, she most likely had no idea of what was happening since the rules came after her death...

- Great Gozu: Before falling asleep in episode 2, there is no sign of a broken ceiling. However, in episode 3, Gozu is tangled in cables hanging from a BIG hole in the ceiling. Kind of pointless to put a locker in front of the door when you have a massive hole up there. Also, he has his mask eyes slashed. I believe there was a fight there and he got his eyes slashed to prevent him from locating his attacker, making him an easy target.

- Seiko: Before collapsing on the floor, the corridor around her is mostly intact. But once we are shown her corpse, it was smashed on the wall. Why would you do that if she was sleeping?

Both Gozu and Seiko, you could just stab them in their sleep, however, there are signs of a struggle. Were they also awake at the times of their deaths?

kacaj said:


Well there may be more than 1 killer, but then why is the killing method the same? Or maybe someone sets the scene of the murder, after the attacker kills? It´s shame that they didn´t show us Seiko´s face, because then we could confirm if the killer has some kind of obsession with making the victims look like they cried blood. ( It both happened with Chisa and Gozu. ) If the victim was awake when killed it´s even harder to assume that there are more killers. There aren´t many participants who can defeat Gozu and Seiko, maybe even Chisa, they would end up at least wounded themselves.

For now it seems safer to assume that there is only one killer. I´m also wondering if robot Gekkogahara is even counted as a participant.

Dreams_of_Neko said:

Maybe because the victims were actually the "Attackers". As in, they were chosen by Monokuma to be the attackers, but they refused to hurt anyone and that decision got them killed.

But then it could contradict the "multiple attackers" theory, since they could all have been killed by Monokuma making it the only "attacker".

It is still strange to me as why there are signs of a possible strugle/fight before their deaths.

kacaj said:


If Monokuma is killing off the participants just like that that would somewhat make the game lose its purpose. In that case Monokuma would rather chose the ones who are ready to kill for their own life.

Maybe Monokuma wakes up not just the attacker, but the victim aswell, and the attacker is only permitted to kill that one person. Still not making much more sense. If the killer´s motive is revenge or hatred then those signs don ´t have to be signs of struggle. If the killer is the mastermind then he might lower the dose of the sleeping poison to a state, where the victims are conscious but paralyzed, just to make them feel the pain.

I´m trying to imagine every explanation but none of them sounds solid.

I don´t know if anyone pointed it out, but there´s a last thing which comes to my mind about the 7 th episode. It´s really strange that Monoca states that she doesn´t know the killer´s identity. After all Robot Gekkogahara can´t be put to sleep using the sleeping drug in the bangles, we can be sure, because she had the opportunity and time to set that prank about Asahina dieing, and that kind of proves that she can be awake even when the sleeping drug puts the others out.

So if she was awake and Gozu being such near and getting up killed, how the hell does she not know who the killer is? This would mean that she´s either lying or she wasn´t able to recognise the killer. ( mask or something like that )

Dreams_of_Neko said:

Sign of torture isntead of fight. Plausible. Kirigiri only mentioned one detail of the killings, we might get all the other details later I assume.

I will still have noted that detail for future reference. Ah, also the detail of the corpses always being hanging in some way. And with at least their arms extended.

Isn´t it weird that Monoka killed Gekkogahara but not Asahina? She could have easily stabbed Asahina in her sleep without remorse, but didn´t. Maybe she had restricted actions as well, not necessarily because of the poison bangle, but by interference in the robot´s system. She apparentlydidn´t even activate the full potential of Mechagahara. Maybe that happened before Gozu´s death and the intereference shut the robot´s system down for that period of time.

kacaj said:


With that prank Monokuma might as well saved Asahina´s life. And she had numberless opportunities to kill Makoto and Asahina, or just let others kill them. If Monoca would´ve wanted she would long be dead by now.

And the robot´s systems shutting down before the death is a possibility, but it´s just too convenient. If Monoca has really nothing to do with the game, why did she know about it beforehand, and why does she know such a detailthat someone will die because of Makoto? Monoca being the mastermind at this point sounds ridiculous, but I´m sure that she was lying at some point and she is hiding from us more than we thought.

There is a possibility, that the real Gekkogahara was one of the masterminds, and when Monoca killed her she found the details of the game on her computer. But it still doesn´t explain that how did she find Gekkogahara and why did she kill her.

Dreams_of_Neko said:

By the way, where was Gekkogahara killed?

I was watching the Spanish sub and realized that some parts are not correctly translated, currently checking the English subs so to not misinterpret some statements.

Also, should we continue discussing the theories in the episode 8 thread? So we won´t spoil it in here. That is, if you are still interested in debating.

yonaaofthedawn said:
there is one thing bothering me, syo and touko don't share memories, right? then why did syo know monaka had said that someone that survived hpa with naegi was gonna die even though it was touko that was told. touko let syo take over control after monaka said so.. but syo seemed to know it as well.. even though they don't share memories, does anyone understand it?