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Aug 26, 2021 11:03 AM

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ShinsoPriest said:
How are the dead ends in the remake? Are they as numerous as the original?

Not sure about the bad ends, but regarding the full endings
Aug 26, 2021 11:09 AM

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>Jouji Nakata is retiring

Oh nooooo TT. The end of an era o7

>Shiki's theme (Video contains MAJOR spoiler CGs).

Ooh I quite like it. There are some progressions that sound like SAO tho. Is this supposed to be Kajiura?

>Ciel CG overload:
Woow these are cool. Is that bow.... the whole thing is the bow? Damn why so big.


>3 Main Endings
Wait only Arc and Ciel? Is this all people have played up to or are there no other routes? Also roughly how long is the gameplay for that?
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Aug 26, 2021 11:13 AM

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It was announced a while ago. The remake has been split into 2 (maybe more?) parts. The released part is only the Near Side routes; Arc and Ciel's.

No news on when the rest will be released.

>Is this supposed to be Kajiura?

All KATE, the OG composer for Tsukihime and F/SN.
Aug 26, 2021 11:14 AM

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Shiki's theme sounds very Castlevania and it really pleases me
Aug 26, 2021 11:14 AM

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astroprogs said:
I've heard Ciel's route no longer has a "Good End" in the way it was in the original.


Correct. Her ''Good Ending'' in the Remake is just the original's True Ending, sort of. Her ''True Ending'', on the other hand, is literally End of Evangelion and Nasu on shrooms. Unironic KINO though.

mira-pyon said:
Wait only Arc and Ciel?


This was known for months, but yes. This Part 1 of the Remake, which has only the Near Side routes (Arcueid and Ciel). Far Side to be released in the future.

Also roughly how long is the gameplay for that?


Roughly 60 hours long. So Remake's Near Side is longer than the OG Tsuki in it's entirety and almost the length of FSN.

For reference, FSN is 3.6MB of text. Tsuki Remake Near Side is 3.2MB of text. The full thing will be more than double the length of FSN.

Also currently unknown if Satsuki will have a route or not. Nasu said yes half a decade ago, but he changes his mind as often as he changes his underwear.
Aug 26, 2021 11:18 AM

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Tho ig this is nice. The loredump of all the routes amongst all this new FGO stuff would've been too much imo.

>It was announced a while ago
>This was known for months, but yes
Guys pls u don't have to rub it in, I wasn't paying attention-

>Roughly 60 hours long
Wah that's a chunky boy. For reference how does LB6 compare? It's like my only reference for JP text
mira-pyonAug 26, 2021 11:21 AM
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AirConditioner said:
Roughly 60 hours long. So Remake's Near Side is longer than the OG Tsuki in it's entirety and almost the length of FSN.

For reference, FSN is 3.6MB of text. Tsuki Remake Near Side is 3.2MB of text. The full thing will be more than double the length of FSN.



That glorious bastard.
Aug 26, 2021 11:21 AM

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This is the most important question.

Is
In the remake?
Aug 26, 2021 11:24 AM

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wasn't that in the far side
"I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says.
I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby".
"She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other."
Aug 26, 2021 11:25 AM

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ShinsoPriest said:
For reference how does LB6 compare? It's like my only reference for JP text


I forget the exact text size of LB6, but they're roughly the same, I believe, in being around FSN-size.

ShinsoPriest said:
This is the most important question.

Is
In the remake?


Yes.
Aug 26, 2021 11:29 AM

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Aure0lin said:
wasn't that in the far side

It's definitely in Arc and Ciel's routes.
Aug 26, 2021 11:33 AM
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Shame, when I saw the imgur mosaic one I thought we were getting real raw naked booba.
Astro deffo seems to be having fun w/ the remake. Now to wait for his pp and sig to change to Ciel╰( ̄ω ̄o)
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Aug 26, 2021 11:37 AM

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Noice.

The original for comparison
Aug 26, 2021 11:40 AM

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About Roa

mira-pyon said:
Shame, when I saw the imgur mosaic one I thought we were getting real raw naked booba.
Astro deffo seems to be having fun w/ the remake. Now to wait for his pp and sig to change to Ciel╰( ̄ω ̄o)

It's like a year worth of snow days for me lol.

And yes, I planned on changing my sig to my OG favorite Tsukihime character.
Aug 26, 2021 11:45 AM

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astroprogs said:
About Roa


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Btw

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astroprogs said:
Aure0lin said:
wasn't that in the far side

It's definitely in Arc and Ciel's routes.
thought it was kohaku's but i still havent progressed beyond the beginning of arc's route in the original vn lul
"I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says.
I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby".
"She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other."
Aug 26, 2021 11:56 AM

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And we canonically now have the placement of the cuts Shiki made. It's a trivial thing but I like that they thought of including it.



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Btw

And it looks GLORIOUS!

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About Roa



Yup. People are really hyping this ending.
Aug 26, 2021 11:58 AM

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Understandably why. Nasu really went all out on Ciel's route, especially the True End.
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-Sherou- said:
Btw

Whoa.

Wait why
Aug 26, 2021 12:12 PM

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Can't wait for Hollow Moon to ruin this too.



She gets it back in the final fight of Ciel's True Ending, which is the finale of Near Side.
Aug 26, 2021 12:16 PM
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AirConditioner said:


She gets it back in the final fight of Ciel's True Ending, which is the finale of Near Side.

I mean what's the significance of it plot-wise outside of it being a nod to the original Arcueid design?

Does the length of it represent how much power she's using? lol
Aug 26, 2021 12:28 PM

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ShinsoPriest said:
Does the length of it represent how much power she's using? lol


Actually unironically yes.



Here's an assortment of CGs from the final fight.


And that's putting aside the part where they do the retarded move of



Aug 26, 2021 12:29 PM

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Can't wait for Hollow Moon to ruin this too.

What happened with Hollow Moon other than them taking extremely long to retranslate the parts McJon already translated?

Aug 26, 2021 12:36 PM

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-Sherou- said:
What happened with Hollow Moon other than them taking extremely long to retranslate the parts McJon already translated?


Nothing in particular. They're just a handbook example of attention seekers.

The TL project started by the French guy was originally created with the intent to finalize Mahoyo TL after McJon decided to quit (due to assorted harassment from 4chantards and Twittertards shitting themselves over his ''imperfect'' translation quality) because the TM community's been suffering through constant discontinued/failed Mahoyo TL projects, but has since devolved back into them holding the translation hostage until they finish re-translating McJon's part, citing supposed ''poor TL quality'' as the excuse, because god forbid they have to share credit for Mahoyo's translation with McJon.

If you couple that with them rushing to magnanimously announce they were gonna translate Tsukihime Remake and port it over to PC day 1 of it's announcement back on NY, it raises some eyebrows. Especially when you consider Tsuki remake is considerably longer and they have no prior TL to work off on. If it's taking them years to finalize Mahoyo's TL, it should give you an idea on how long it'll take for Tsuki remake. I wouldn't be surprised if they asked the FGO Mod guy to discontinue his TL because they're gonna translate it for realzzz with good TL quality and port it over to PC, only to sit on the project for years on end.
Aug 26, 2021 12:39 PM

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AirConditioner said:
ShinsoPriest said:
Does the length of it represent how much power she's using? lol


Actually unironically yes.



Here's an assortment of CGs from the final fight.

I'm fine with this. At least she'll have the objectively better design in the FGO collab.

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And that's putting aside the part where they do the retarded move of


Aug 26, 2021 12:39 PM

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About Arc's new power level. Take this with a grain of salt for now.

Aug 26, 2021 12:45 PM

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This is the most important question.

Is
In the remake?


Well, there you go.

Aug 26, 2021 12:46 PM

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ShinsoPriest said:


It's new lore.

Luminous Body

Rapid expansion (Inflation). A phenomenon more simply called "Luminous Body".

An excited state only possessed by True Ancestor royalty. When a True Ancestor's body is completely destroyed by some means, this reaction is said to occur. It was the result of Arcueid, a "small yet massive being", losing the container called 'body' and consequently having the compressed magical energy released, causing the scale of her existence to expand. Arcueid's consciousness exists at the core of the light, but since the barrier called 'body' doesn't exist, it is a state where among the excess amount of magical energy "an image of herself as she imagines it" is projected and diffused.

If a True Ancestor still brimming with magical energy is imperfectly destroyed, it will reemerge through just the energy that had been stored within its body and destroy human settlements in the form of a calamity, as a revenge mechanism. Inflation does not occur with Arcueid having her power stolen by Roa and fatally wasting away, but the Arcueid in Ciel route who killed Roa, was troubled by the bug that was her love for Shiki, and could no longer control her bloodsucking impulse could cause this phenomenon. Or rather, ended up causing it.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_(cosmology)

Archetype: Earth is just Gaia using Arcueid for her intended purpose. This is like a counter/self-defence mechanism that's caused when you destroy her body.
Aug 26, 2021 12:47 PM

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astroprogs said:


Nope. It's explicitly stated

Aug 26, 2021 12:51 PM

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AirConditioner said:
astroprogs said:


Nope. It's explicitly stated


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Wah that was bloody fast. 67 pages already sheesh.

Edit: Also long skirt yessssssss.
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astroprogs said:
ShinsoPriest said:
This is the most important question.

Is
In the remake?


Well, there you go.


Beautiful.
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AirConditioner said:
astroprogs said:


Nope. It's explicitly stated


Aug 26, 2021 12:57 PM

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ShinsoPriest said:


If we assume a theoretical full-power Gilgamesh, it can. But Servant Gilgamesh would get squashed by Arcueid, so Astro isn't wrong on that if he meant Servant!Gil.

In Strange Fake, it's stated Ea degraded after the Age of Gods ended, which caused it to lose it's original power. It becomes weaker the close it is to the Age of Man and Servants can't generally power-up world-ending Noble Phantasms since the Servant container is too constrained and limited for that bullshit. Also according to Holmes, Servants are incapable of destroying the world even if they theoretically could because of Gaia's conceptual bullshit subconsciously preventing them from using power that can achieve those results.
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Well damn. So Full Power Gilgamesh Enuma Elish can planet bust? That's insane.
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To be specific, Ciel states

Aug 26, 2021 1:07 PM

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Suck it, Ryougi.

(Arc's route MAJOR spoilers).

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Well damn. So Full Power Gilgamesh Enuma Elish can planet bust? That's insane.
honestly this sounds so quaint compared to the weirdos on the internet who say that full power gilgamesh can break literal universes or something like that
"I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says.
I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby".
"She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other."
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astroprogs said:
Suck it, Ryougi.

(Arc's route MAJOR spoilers).




AirConditioner said:
astroprogs said:


To be specific, Ciel states


So if Arcueid were to show up in CCC like she did in Extra, she would get bodied by CCC Gilgamesh right?
Aug 26, 2021 1:21 PM

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When she stops being psycho
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But the psycho is part of the charm

Aug 26, 2021 1:26 PM

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ShinsoPriest said:
astroprogs said:
Suck it, Ryougi.

(Arc's route MAJOR spoilers).





Aug 26, 2021 1:27 PM

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So if Arcueid were to show up in CCC like she did in Extra, she would get bodied by CCC Gilgamesh right?


In theory at least. He meets the requirements that Ciel states.

But then Nasu also made some schizo statement about how Arcueid is the only character in Extra (and CCC) who stands any kind of chance, regardless of how small, at fighting Amaterasu so there might be some factor we don't know about.
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-Sherou- said:
But the psycho is part of the charm


>Best Girl in Fate
>Best Girl in Tsukihime Remake

How does she do it?
The competition shouldn't even bother at this point

Aug 26, 2021 1:37 PM

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AirConditioner said:
ShinsoPriest said:
So if Arcueid were to show up in CCC like she did in Extra, she would get bodied by CCC Gilgamesh right?


In theory at least. He meets the requirements that Ciel states.

But then Nasu also made some schizo statement about how Arcueid is the only character in Extra (and CCC) who stands any kind of chance, regardless of how small, at fighting Amaterasu so there might be some factor we don't know about.

I think it was something like Extra Arc having an ability that nerfs all enemies to 1/10 of their power, and it bypasses everything. So if Arcueid had a 1% chance of beating Amaterasu, it'll be brought up to 10%. Or something to that effect, I'm just going off of memory.
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