just because they’re sexualised doesn’t mean they’re badly written

whimsmisan said:
how is this thread still alive lmao

Tirihas said:

Arguing with @ShanAsuna for 3 pages contributed a fair amount.
It was consistently at the top of the forum so it got more attention.

SakayanagiCOTE said:
My takeaway from this thread is that everyone is an idiot. We have 2 people arguing back and forth about 2D female characters while one yells stuff like "Tumblr Feminist" and the other yells back some other garbage.

My 2 cents on the matter:

1. JJK has better female characters than most battle shounen. This is barely a compliment because most of them are shit to begin with. I think characters like Nobara and above average and that's it. Not even close to being great

2. There is a huge difference between a fanservice character and a good character that occasionally gets fanservice. A prime example of a shit character that gets fanservice would be Tamaki from Fire Force.

3. Obviously oversexualizing characters in the middle of a fight and stuff is stupid. There are plenty of battle shounen like Attack on Titan, FMAB, and Demon Slayer that have pretty much no fanservice. JJK is no pioneer in the matter and it's female characters are still mediocre.

4. Stretching this out to every genre, it really depends on the extent of the fanservice. I don't want to see boobs and ass bouncing around during a fight (unless it's like DxD lol). An occasional beach episode or fanservice moment once in a while doesn't demean the value of a female character or make them unrealistic. It only becomes a problem when this is consistent and the females only exist to be wank material rather than actual good characters.

KuroGFX said:


sometimes I wonder if the Original Poster just gets tired but all the replies are like banging on his door

ShanAsuna said:


Sorry guys, it's like an OCD for me when it comes to fighting toxicity with even greater toxicity.

KuroGFX said:


Im just here cause I can't stop typing lol

ShanAsuna said:


*shrugs* The whole thread looks like a bait for me anyways, because I started the original thread talking about how I'm happy with JJK for not oversexualising female characters.

That thread got swamped by fan-service defenders at one point and I ramped up my toxicity to 11 to go full on "an eye for an eye". They then started a couple of alternative threads to shit on my opinion on the original thread (not unlike this one), and somehow I've been unable to stop myself from going full toxic on all these fap-waifu defenders.

KuroGFX said:


you have your hands full I see I personally think that Fanservice doesn't matter to character writing that much look at Revy from Black Lagoon but I understand the refreshment of non-sexualized characters at all I just like the fact that the body porportions are really realistic not really something you see in most shonen jump its really niiiicee

I like One Piece girls but the proportions are insane and literally the same most of the time




even though all the female characters are really hot



....like Maki

ShanAsuna said:


I mean a lot of the times they overdo the fanservice and which kinda "ruins" or at least "take away" from the character.

Like Kallen in Code Geass, I don't understand why they make her so bad-ass, cool backstory and personality and then make us watch her pilot her mecha from her ass. Like the scene before a big fight, we're staring at Kallen's ass, usually when she's saying something serious or motivational and I'm just like... WHYYYY

KuroGFX said:


honestly I feel like fanservice comes off to me as more comedic especially when it comes to watching with friends I bust a gut laughing but honestly if I watch that shit alone I'm not going all

"OMG OMG LOOK AT DAT ASS" I'm thinking

"ahh shit did I forget to turn the oven off has it been over 15 minutes fuck fuck fuck"

but yeah just going over military strategy while looking at her ass is not appealing if I was watching star wars and while they were explaining how to destroy the death star and all of a sudden they zoom in leia's tits I would be pretty fucking confused

ShanAsuna said:


EXACTLY... Imagine when Scarlett Johansson was explaining strategy in Avengers and they just zoom into her tits as she talked...lk what the hell???

KuroGFX said:


you have your hands full I see I personally think that Fanservice doesn't matter to character writing that much look at Revy from Black Lagoon but I understand the refreshment of non-sexualized characters at all I just like the fact that the body porportions are really realistic not really something you see in most shonen jump its really niiiicee

I like One Piece girls but the proportions are insane and literally the same most of the time




even though all the female characters are really hot



....like Maki

SakayanagiCOTE said:
My takeaway from this thread is that everyone is an idiot. We have 2 people arguing back and forth about 2D female characters while one yells stuff like "Tumblr Feminist" and the other yells back some other garbage.

My 2 cents on the matter:

1. JJK has better female characters than most battle shounen. This is barely a compliment because most of them are shit to begin with. I think characters like Nobara and above average and that's it. Not even close to being great

2. There is a huge difference between a fanservice character and a good character that occasionally gets fanservice. A prime example of a shit character that gets fanservice would be Tamaki from Fire Force.

3. Obviously oversexualizing characters in the middle of a fight and stuff is stupid. There are plenty of battle shounen like Attack on Titan, FMAB, and Demon Slayer that have pretty much no fanservice. JJK is no pioneer in the matter and it's female characters are still mediocre.

4. Stretching this out to every genre, it really depends on the extent of the fanservice. I don't want to see boobs and ass bouncing around during a fight (unless it's like DxD lol). An occasional beach episode or fanservice moment once in a while doesn't demean the value of a female character or make them unrealistic. It only becomes a problem when this is consistent and the females only exist to be wank material rather than actual good characters.

ShanAsuna said:


I like how you basically said most of the things I said and you proceeded to call what I said "some garbage".

I mean I agree with your analysis, but if you want to call what I said garbage I'd appreciate some explanation.

If you're just referring to the vitriol I hurl in response to a provocation.. Well, I guess I can only congratulate you on attaining sainthood, by never retaliating against insults hurled your way.

username1218 said:
Huh, so you mean they are badly written even though they aren't sexualised? Haha, yea, what did you expect. Ofc they are badly written. JJK's characters are shit and all of them are badly written but some people love them so its not a problem if they claim that they are well written. They can believe whatever they want tbh. Actually I didn't rly see ppl saying that but OK. Hope you dont have a problem.

Off topic but nothing can beat bad writing in BGS and MHA.

username1218 said:

ah yes, the famous jjk fanboy. ur gonna hate me now aren't ya? u should give jjk a 10 already. ik u have made 30 threads praising its every aspect and saying why its different from other shonens. nobody will call u a fanboy unless u trash ppl's taste for liking it but u r already recognized as one after all of ur activities. also i haven't added many of other animes in my list that i like and plan to give an 8 or 9 so u should stop calling me an attention seeking weirdo.

username1218 said:

ah yes, why are we talking about my ratings again?

username1218 said:

ah yes thanks for reminding me. btw i rated mob psycho s2 with a 6 if i remember correctly bc it was waaay better than the s1. Kimi no na wa's only good thing was animation, literally every shinkai's films have only one plus and thats the animation, other than that it was filled with plot holes and boring characters. ghibli films are shit, i dont know why i keep watching them tbh. mushoko tensei is a rly, rly bad isekai with only good animation, terrible characters, average world building and power system and most imprtatntly enjoyment gets a 1. death note was shit, first 25 eps were passable but totally fucked up later. yuri on ice- yea i dont think i have to even talk about it. wait i rated steins gate with a 1? i remember giving it a 7? i rated steins gate 0 with a 1 i believe. tokyo ghoul- terrible plot and characters, fire op tho. kny had good animation but was so bad in every other criteria. code gayass? ok i am not gonna talk about that. lelouch is shit.

i liked wonder egg in the start and was a solid 6/10 for me but the ending wasn't conclusive and still waiting for that special in (i forgot which month its coming out). ubw truly bad and if u have watched it, u know how bad it was. only good thing was cute tsunedere rin i simp for and archer was pretty hawt. noragami, banger ops but everything else shit.

ping pong had bad animation and i am not a big fan of yuuasa's works. shinsekai yori was a joke. psycho pass tried too hard to be cool but it failed miserably.

lesbian lolis kissing fate spinoff was amazing and fulfilled every criteria for me. yes i am a fucking degenerate kid who simps over every character but u have no right to insult my taste and my identity and call me a joke so <3

whimsmisan said:
I see this a lot and i’m finally gonna talk about it. In jjk we all know the female characters aren’t sexualised , like hardly ever do we see any ecchi scenes of the female cast. However people keep saying “Oh My gOsH tHe fEmAlE cHarActErS aRenT sExuAlIsed TheyRe so well WrItTen” there are plenty of sexualised well written female characters and vice versa. sakura from naruto isn’t sexualised all that much at all (except for maybe filler or movies idk) and she’s absolute garbage . It’s so cringe when people say that they’re well written JUST because they’re not sexualised

whimsmisan said:
yeah idk man there’s plenty of other shows with female characters just like that. I really don’t see what the big deal is. i think people have noticed that the only difference between female in jjk is the lack of sexualisation and think that it’s revolutionary when there are plenty of other shows with sexualised AND non sexualised female characters