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| vote:Yurkin And yes logic, I'm gonna go against you. I prefer agressive playstyle. No lynching till mafia and sk will kill us? No thanks. If someone is scummy, they should be lynched. That's how mafia works. And in this setup waiting will get you... nothing. There is only doc, rber and vig. Where do you want to get other info from? Waiting? |
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roz1roz said: Since if Abu is town and we were posturing for Ruu to be in there anyway. logic340 said: 2. I really wish you would try to get the opinions of others in regards to your top scum read who only you were voting. Also many of us wanted Ruu there. This is a town vs. mafia game not roz vs. mafia think about that before you make another selfish move like that please Counter-sniping is selfish? Oh well. Since when? I would have much rather sorted coro from now than yurkin. Maybe it's a difference in opinion but yeah you said it was your town read and your scum read seems pretty selfishly motivated if you ask me. Unless you were trying to save coro for some odd reason? So selfish or scum are the two conclusions you have kind of left me with here. I thought you saved twilight but that move was questionable from where I am sitting. edit: added missing word. |
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roz1roz said: I disagree and I would ask you to look at one of his other games or ask others opinions about it. I need to trust the town, town need to trust me sort of thing. There has to be some give and take (I need to take my own advice at time). logic340 said: @roz1roz if we are lost at the end of day tomorrow will you battle me in twilight? Let's make our own rules no no lynch or double lynch you or me one must go? I kind of feel like coro was right you made this play but haven't done much but go after Abu which most of ust told you was lynch fodder and actually looks more town to me for his late vote that you call a snipe. Use a more neutral word as i see it differently than you do and snipe has such a negative connotation like you are trying to make him look bad. He does that well enough himself you don't need to try so hard it makes your read look forced and bad. He literaly outed himself as mafia so far in a game. And I will use sniping term, since he voted in last minute of the voting time, while being afk for a whole freaking game. I do believe was stupid, borderline scummy and my opinion on him is not improving the more you try to defend him. Literaly tell me. What is town-like in first being inactive whole day, even replacing out, just to come at the vote phase to vote somoene in last minute? Cause I don't see it a good thing. While inactivity is NAI, lurking just to vote in last minute, WITHOUT ANY JUSTIFICATION is literaly the most scummy thing I could imagine. So I am going to get my head out of my ass now and go backread. |
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yurkin said: Not your preference your unwillingness to move it out of RVS. Did you scum read dono?Ok logic, you have some problem with my voting prefereces it seems, i got it. |
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yurkin said: So you are willing to get lynched for what reason? because unless someone counterclaims Ruu you are the only option? A townie life is more important than a little piece of information plus as I stated earlier it makes the game longer and harder for scum. You played a long game as scum was it easy? Did you want no lynches to happen as scum? Be real with your answer?Should i say no-lynch on d1 is a bad idea and won't be in advantage of town. |
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Vote Count T1.6: Ruu (0): yurkin (1): roz1roz No lynch (7): Nikamara, logic340, RE1031, lastwhisper31, Rinto-kun, Suzune-chan, Ruu Double lynch (0): Players not voting: (Togs, yurkin, Labs, aa-dono, coromandel) |
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roz1roz said: So you would rather the possibility of losing 3 townie lives by the stat of D2 making things 6-3-1 an taking mafia closer to their win-con?vote:Yurkin And yes logic, I'm gonna go against you. I prefer agressive playstyle. No lynching till mafia and sk will kill us? No thanks. If someone is scummy, they should be lynched. That's how mafia works. And in this setup waiting will get you... nothing. There is only doc, rber and vig. Where do you want to get other info from? Waiting? Make a case for your vote. I cannot make anyone do anything they don't want to. I am not saying that yurkin is town I am saying her motivation doesn't appear to be scum motivated at this point. This is me rethinking my scum read for those who want to question my change. She's not helping herself and seems to think her own lynch would be beneficial |
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| @roz1roz with likely two town flips coming tomorrow there will be plenty of information. Hopefully SK will hit mafia for us or they target the same person but I am not counting on it. Worst case: Yurkin flips town two townies die we are at 6-3-1 Best case: My initial scum read was correct yurkin flips Sk hits mafia we are at 7-2-1. If you are sure that yurkin is scum go ahead and vote just give me reasoning to look over after the flip. Reasoning that isn't linked to activity (yurking/abu). Also people have lives and not everyone is as dedicated as I am to put as much time and effort into these games so please try not to judge on activity but by the content they provide while here. I cannot refute your read on Abu but I have personal knowledge from being his scum team mate in Alcatraz mafia that says your read is wrong. |
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coromandel said: IDK what to make of this? She's not leading the vote at this time so I cannot say this feel townie motivated. She basically said she has no scum reads besides her RVS that she has now turned into a scum read. I'm not scum-reading yurkin, roz or Ruu at the moment. aa-dono isn't here (problems with her internet connection?) So nope, I'm not changing my vote. |
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Coelestin said: Vote Count T1.6: Ruu (0): yurkin (1): roz1roz No lynch (7): Nikamara, logic340, RE1031, lastwhisper31, Rinto-kun, Suzune-chan, Ruu Double lynch (0): Players not voting: (Togs, yurkin, Labs, aa-dono, coromandel) I think I am more interested in the people who didn't vote than those who did. @Togs - You said twilight was good for us, said you would give your vote to help get us there. Your vote switch to Ruu almost stopped that from happening if not for Abu. Maybe he didn't see your vote switch before hand and was trying to get her lynched but even then i'm not sure that is a move scum would make. I cannot see a scum motive in what Abu did but if coro is town I can see one in yours and the fact you didn't use the extra 24 at all feels much more like your scum game than your town game. You talk nice when you are here but when you aren't I don't feel anything. @yurkin - I really do not like how you handled that extra 24 hours you were given but I don't think that makes you scum. If you are town it would be nice if you could help make it harder for the mafia to target us at night by showing your are in fact town here. @Labs - V/LA @aa-dono - I hope that internet gets back up soon. @coromandel - Why did you decide to unvote instead of vote no lynch? @roz1roz though your vote amounted to nothing I would like your reasoning beside "she's inactive", though I don't like her defense I don't see it coming from a place of scum. I don't like her play either but show me the scum mindset behind what she is doing? |
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logic340 said: A big part of my scum read is the fact there is no progression on anything D1 from this slot. I will look over twilight and see if I get a different vibe. Direct approach noted, me likey but I want to see you progress. |
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Suzune-chan said: Okay, I am going to be frank and I know it is kind of an unpopular opinion with the people who are on but, isn't RE being kind of advantageous, (not the word I want but I can't think of it, one who moves to where the advantage is all the time). You play right on the edge so that you can be aggressive in all posts. But on to the actual subject I want to talk about, I think that Coro is town. They have strong reasoning and bring a fresh perspective. I am not really willing to vote Coro. I know that Logic is all fired up about this, but their posts are organized and make clear sense from where they are coming from. Honestly, if I lynch Yurkin it will be because there is so little to go by, which seems like such a waste. I'll try to be less aggressive, it clearly isn't working when trying to get my point across. That said, I have no idea what you mean and you are going to have to give examples. Last time I checked, coro was suspecting you. Are you saying that her reasoning for doing so is strong and makes sense? |
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logic340 said: Since if Abu is town and we were posturing for Ruu to be in there anyway. I would have much rather sorted coro from now than yurkin. Maybe it's a difference in opinion but yeah you said it was your town read and your scum read seems pretty selfishly motivated if you ask me. Unless you were trying to save coro for some odd reason? So selfish or scum are the two conclusions you have kind of left me with here. I thought you saved twilight but that move was questionable from where I am sitting. edit: added missing word. Or I just voted my worse read from this 2, wich I actualy signaled much earlier. You know that I voted Coro just to get them both to twilight, but you somehow decided to put my top read there. |
logic340 said: roz1roz said: I disagree and I would ask you to look at one of his other games or ask others opinions about it. I need to trust the town, town need to trust me sort of thing. There has to be some give and take (I need to take my own advice at time). He literaly outed himself as mafia so far in a game. And I will use sniping term, since he voted in last minute of the voting time, while being afk for a whole freaking game. I do believe was stupid, borderline scummy and my opinion on him is not improving the more you try to defend him. Literaly tell me. What is town-like in first being inactive whole day, even replacing out, just to come at the vote phase to vote somoene in last minute? Cause I don't see it a good thing. While inactivity is NAI, lurking just to vote in last minute, WITHOUT ANY JUSTIFICATION is literaly the most scummy thing I could imagine. So I am going to get my head out of my ass now and go backread. Yes, I am biased cause I don't know your meta, nor am I able to check it for each player one after another. But you are wrong in oposing direction. If someone is usualy scummy as town, then being scummy doesn't clear them, cause they can be a scummy scum as well. It's even more - best to have sorted this kind of people out early on, so they won't affect your reads later on. If he is town, he will be a misslynch bait later on. I really believe it is best to have stuff sorted and play agresively, not passivly as you suggest. |
logic340 said: roz1roz said: So you would rather the possibility of losing 3 townie lives by the stat of D2 making things 6-3-1 an taking mafia closer to their win-con?vote:Yurkin And yes logic, I'm gonna go against you. I prefer agressive playstyle. No lynching till mafia and sk will kill us? No thanks. If someone is scummy, they should be lynched. That's how mafia works. And in this setup waiting will get you... nothing. There is only doc, rber and vig. Where do you want to get other info from? Waiting? Make a case for your vote. I cannot make anyone do anything they don't want to. I am not saying that yurkin is town I am saying her motivation doesn't appear to be scum motivated at this point. This is me rethinking my scum read for those who want to question my change. She's not helping herself and seems to think her own lynch would be beneficial Yes, cause we get much less info from 7-3-1, while on 6-3-1 there is wagon info wich might show us some scum. Especialy if that wagon led someone to death. |
RE1031 said: Suzune-chan said: Okay, I am going to be frank and I know it is kind of an unpopular opinion with the people who are on but, isn't RE being kind of advantageous, (not the word I want but I can't think of it, one who moves to where the advantage is all the time). You play right on the edge so that you can be aggressive in all posts. But on to the actual subject I want to talk about, I think that Coro is town. They have strong reasoning and bring a fresh perspective. I am not really willing to vote Coro. I know that Logic is all fired up about this, but their posts are organized and make clear sense from where they are coming from. Honestly, if I lynch Yurkin it will be because there is so little to go by, which seems like such a waste. I'll try to be less aggressive, it clearly isn't working when trying to get my point across. That said, I have no idea what you mean and you are going to have to give examples. Last time I checked, coro was suspecting you. Are you saying that her reasoning for doing so is strong and makes sense? Never be less aggressive when playing mafia. Always try to push your case. Blindly following others usualy leads to lost games. |
roz1roz said: logic340 said: Since if Abu is town and we were posturing for Ruu to be in there anyway. I would have much rather sorted coro from now than yurkin. Maybe it's a difference in opinion but yeah you said it was your town read and your scum read seems pretty selfishly motivated if you ask me. Unless you were trying to save coro for some odd reason? So selfish or scum are the two conclusions you have kind of left me with here. I thought you saved twilight but that move was questionable from where I am sitting. edit: added missing word. Or I just voted my worse read from this 2, wich I actualy signaled much earlier. You know that I voted Coro just to get them both to twilight, but you somehow decided to put my top read there. Maybe I am misunderstanding something I decided to put your top read where? I did say I wouldn't mind Ruu but my vote was on my top suspect Coro and I was pushing hard for that. It's done with now No Lynch day which doesn't hurt us that badly with a possible 3 bodies dropping tonight. coromandel (2): RE1031, logic340 |
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logic340 said: roz1roz said: Or I just voted my worse read from this 2, wich I actualy signaled much earlier. You know that I voted Coro just to get them both to twilight, but you somehow decided to put my top read there. Maybe I am misunderstanding something I decided to put your top read where? I did say I wouldn't mind Ruu but my vote was on my top suspect Coro and I was pushing hard for that. It's done with now No Lynch day which doesn't hurt us that badly with a possible 3 bodies dropping tonight. coromandel (2): RE1031, logic340 You as general of players, not one person. |
roz1roz said: You could ask the other players their thoughts on the players you are trying to understand and know better. You made an attempt with me in a way that I took as a dig, asking "is logic always asking too many questions" or something of the like. How else do you catch mafia if not by interacting with them. I actually found it easier to catch people when I didn't know their meta. What were your early gut reads if I may ask? I would rather mislynch later after a no lynch than mislynch now and still have people who fit the category of mislynch bait hanging aroung (togs/dono/labs). Plus we still have the issue of finding a replacement for since if that doesn't happen there will be a modkill to go along with everything else that transpires tonight.logic340 said: I disagree and I would ask you to look at one of his other games or ask others opinions about it. I need to trust the town, town need to trust me sort of thing. There has to be some give and take (I need to take my own advice at time). So I am going to get my head out of my ass now and go backread. Yes, I am biased cause I don't know your meta, nor am I able to check it for each player one after another. But you are wrong in oposing direction. If someone is usualy scummy as town, then being scummy doesn't clear them, cause they can be a scummy scum as well. It's even more - best to have sorted this kind of people out early on, so they won't affect your reads later on. If he is town, he will be a misslynch bait later on. I really believe it is best to have stuff sorted and play agresively, not passivly as you suggest. Killing for information only gets us closer to the mafia win con. I agree these are the type of people who we cannot afford to take into late game, but we all need to work on getting them more active through pings and quoting what they write. I collected all those posts on myself for you did you ever go through it? I don't remember seeing any kind of analysis or response to the 4 posts it took up? |
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roz1roz said: There is plenty of behavior to analyze. 7-3-1 keeps mafia farther from their win con and give them more time to make mistakes for us to catch. With tomorrows death(s) we will have plenty of wagon info to go over. Why is that so hard for people to get. Two townies gives two bodies worth of information but it needs to be used properly. Town doesn't have a knack for doing that around her so taking things slower and forcing the mafia into more moves is the next best thing. That is my take on it. logic340 said: So you would rather the possibility of losing 3 townie lives by the stat of D2 making things 6-3-1 an taking mafia closer to their win-con? Make a case for your vote. I cannot make anyone do anything they don't want to. I am not saying that yurkin is town I am saying her motivation doesn't appear to be scum motivated at this point. This is me rethinking my scum read for those who want to question my change. She's not helping herself and seems to think her own lynch would be beneficial Yes, cause we get much less info from 7-3-1, while on 6-3-1 there is wagon info wich might show us some scum. Especialy if that wagon led someone to death. |
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roz1roz said: So someone sheeped me? I will admit I am given too much credit probably due to my activity. Genreal of the players was so focused on trying to get people on Coro he never saw this whole Ruu/yurkin thing coming. Did you see my end of day and reactions as shit unfolded in front of me? You think I planned that?logic340 said: Maybe I am misunderstanding something I decided to put your top read where? I did say I wouldn't mind Ruu but my vote was on my top suspect Coro and I was pushing hard for that. It's done with now No Lynch day which doesn't hurt us that badly with a possible 3 bodies dropping tonight. You as general of players, not one person. |
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| So we didn't lynch yurkin but where does everyone stand on her. I am neutral for now. I cannot see the mafia motivation in her play. TPR maybe but we can try to work that out early D2 now. |
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logic340 said: I know that is why it feel weird to me because he looks the same here as there to me yet you see him more scummy here. I've already stated that I found his response to roz's bait as scummy, but was willing to give him time. What I meant by that is posting a read post similar to the one we saw in Eevee mafia. Until I saw that kind of post, I would not be able to read him as town. But, you may have a point and I can honestly believe that Abu needs more time with larger games. |
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logic340 said: yurkin said: Not your preference your unwillingness to move it out of RVS. Did you scum read dono?Ok logic, you have some problem with my voting prefereces it seems, i got it. Its the same. And dont know what exactly you personally have agains it. I dont bug you about using self-meta right? . And its not your business to tell people what to do honestly. |
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yurkin said: I can only ask and make suggestions you do what you like. I am not able to force anyone to do anything only they do that. I can pressure them, I can ask nicely, I can complain when I don't get my way. Again you don't have to ever move your RVS day 1 but that doesn't mean my opinion of it will change. logic340 said: Not your preference your unwillingness to move it out of RVS. Did you scum read dono? Its the same. And dont know what exactly you personally have agains it. I dont bug you about using self-meta right? . And its not your business to tell people what to do honestly. |
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| @roz1roz of the 6 people who took you bait (Ruu, Abu, coromandel, RE1031, Suzune, Nikamara) do you think there is scum among them and who might it be? Also your thoughts on me and yurkin's reaction to it. I will share my thoughts now. Ruu - She's not the greatest townie wined myself out of a town read there. Abu - Similar to Ruu and I actually think this is how town game but we'll see what my man Rinto brings to the table. coromandel/RE1031 - I am not sure what to make of these two right now. They played the bait the same way but I feel completely different due to everything else they did or didn't do early. Then end of D1 I was kind of trained on both of them. Suzune-chan - Thinking back it is quite surprising that she would think this was a slip imo. I notice that you called her out about being one of the people you didn't expect to go for it. You never did reply to her response to it, I kind of feel like you just let this one go. I need to look harder here as I am way less comfortable then I previously was. Nikamara - New player more than new town feel but I can see where you are coming from. They felt unaligned and uncoached. yurkin - as stated I am not seeing the scum motive in her play. Also with all the shenanigans around phase change others have become more interesting. logic - lynch that guy he knows too much and acts too smug about it. |
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logic340 said: @roz1roz of the 6 people who took you bait (Ruu, Abu, coromandel, RE1031, Suzune, Nikamara) do you think there is scum among them and who might it be? Also your thoughts on me and yurkin's reaction to it. I will share my thoughts now. Ruu - She's not the greatest townie wined myself out of a town read there. Abu - Similar to Ruu and I actually think this is how town game but we'll see what my man Rinto brings to the table. coromandel/RE1031 - I am not sure what to make of these two right now. They played the bait the same way but I feel completely different due to everything else they did or didn't do early. Then end of D1 I was kind of trained on both of them. Suzune-chan - Thinking back it is quite surprising that she would think this was a slip imo. I notice that you called her out about being one of the people you didn't expect to go for it. You never did reply to her response to it, I kind of feel like you just let this one go. I need to look harder here as I am way less comfortable then I previously was. Nikamara - New player more than new town feel but I can see where you are coming from. They felt unaligned and uncoached. yurkin - as stated I am not seeing the scum motive in her play. Also with all the shenanigans around phase change others have become more interesting. logic - lynch that guy he knows too much and acts too smug about it. I have to disagree about you grouping me with coromandel. She asked one question, then explained a while after her motivation behind it. I went through a real time process. The only similarity I would say is we didn't vote for roz. I don't know about Suzune, maybe her reaction is surprising, but I think she really fell for it. So I don't think she is mafia at the least. Nikamara, I already referenced Melanoid in Easter Egg, but I think their play is similar here (and Melanoid was town). I have no idea how to feel about yurkin. Tone, she is town. Behavior, she is neutral for the most part. But why is she being stubborn about refusing to give reads? I think there is little point in discussing Abu anymore because he has been replaced. He is definitely not one of my town reads, probably on the bottom end of neutral, but I am not interested in lynching his slot. I think you are town. It a combination of gut + effort on your side. |
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| I rarely try process of elimination but... Eliminated (people I will treat as town): RE Ruu - town, period. logic - lazy reasoning, but he is too motivated, too emotional to be scum Nikamara - As I've stated, while her suggestion to lynch roz has reasoning I strongly disagree with, I think it comes from misguided town, not scum. lastwhisper - This is a weird thing I'm reading him off of, but all his +1s kind of suggest to me he's agreeing to what he sees instantly, and scum don't really do this because they have to follow a consistent backstory. Unless they suddenly fall under pressure, while scum's reasoning won't necessarily be solid, it will be "reasonable." Their reasoning will be explained calmly, and while it won't make too much sense, they will sound sure of it. roz - I have to consider the possibility that he is very, very experienced and can fake all this without batting an eye. Maybe he shouldn't belong in this category. But I don't plan on lynching him. The lurkers: aa-dono - impossible to read Labs - nearly impossible to read Who's left?: yurkin - I almost regret not lynching her. If she is town, she is being very uncooperative. Abu/Rinto-kun - He is honestly a neutral and I hope to see more. Abu's reaction to the bait was kind of scummy; based on what roz pointed out and when someone offers a possibility that someone who makes scum slip is actually town, you can't help but think that they are coming from a place of more information (aka, they are mafia and know roz cannot be mafia...) But I am willing to give time for them to prove themselves. Suzune - Going to have to reread her, but I don't think she is mafia. SK very possibly. Her case on me was enormous yet she voted for Ruu. Why? coromandel - Will also have to reread. She is relying more on self-deprecating emotion to justify her actions, which worries me, since I did that as scrutinized scum. If this is not the case, really sorry, but I have address it. Togs - might have belonged with the lurkers but that sniping vote... I'm curious, since this is only the second game I've played with a SK (the other was open set up and SK was caught through mechanics), how do people usually catch the SK? I somehow have the feeling mafia would contribute towards their lynch. |
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logic340 said: Ruu said: Just roleblock the killer and you have nothing to fear. I have faith in you Ruu! o/Can the doctor please protect me? I want to live for another day. I see yurkin has hijacked logic's account. |
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RE1031 said: logic340 said: Just roleblock the killer and you have nothing to fear. I have faith in you Ruu! o/ I see yurkin has hijacked logic's account. lol |
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RE1031 said: coromandel - Will also have to reread. She is relying more on self-deprecating emotion to justify her actions, which worries me, since I did that as scrutinized scum. If this is not the case, really sorry, but I have address it. How so? o.0 RE1031 said: I'm curious, since this is only the second game I've played with a SK (the other was open set up and SK was caught through mechanics), how do people usually catch the SK? I somehow have the feeling mafia would contribute towards their lynch. There are certain tells. But there's no need to explain this now, it'd only help the SK to figure out how to survive imo. |
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RE1031 said: I rarely try process of elimination but... Eliminated (people I will treat as town): RE Ruu - town, period. logic - lazy reasoning, but he is too motivated, too emotional to be scum Nikamara - As I've stated, while her suggestion to lynch roz has reasoning I strongly disagree with, I think it comes from misguided town, not scum. lastwhisper - This is a weird thing I'm reading him off of, but all his +1s kind of suggest to me he's agreeing to what he sees instantly, and scum don't really do this because they have to follow a consistent backstory. Unless they suddenly fall under pressure, while scum's reasoning won't necessarily be solid, it will be "reasonable." Their reasoning will be explained calmly, and while it won't make too much sense, they will sound sure of it. roz - I have to consider the possibility that he is very, very experienced and can fake all this without batting an eye. Maybe he shouldn't belong in this category. But I don't plan on lynching him. Putting yourself first as town. >.> Nikamara - As I've stated, while her suggestion to lynch roz has reasoning I strongly disagree with, I think it comes from misguided town, not scum. Is that your only reason for putting them to the town pile? If so, can you explain this in more detail, please? lastwhisper - This is a weird thing I'm reading him off of, but all his +1s kind of suggest to me he's agreeing to what he sees instantly, and scum don't really do this because they have to follow a consistent backstory. Unless they suddenly fall under pressure, while scum's reasoning won't necessarily be solid, it will be "reasonable." Their reasoning will be explained calmly, and while it won't make too much sense, they will sound sure of it. I disagree, this can be buddying to suggest that "I agree with you, I'm on your side". Not that I'm scum-reading whisper now, but I don't really see how you can town-read him because of this. Scum don't always follow a "backstory", they often go with the flow just like townies. Especially at the beginning - why would he follow a story at the beginning of the game? That's something they tend to do in the end game. roz - I have to consider the possibility that he is very, very experienced and can fake all this without batting an eye. Maybe he shouldn't belong in this category. But I don't plan on lynching him. I feel like there's no explanation here. Why are you town-reading him? What is "all this"? |
I didn't want to lynch her, so I unvoted. I later realized I could also vote for no lynch, but that didn't seem necessary. logic340 said: logic340 said: A big part of my scum read is the fact there is no progression on anything D1 from this slot. I will look over twilight and see if I get a different vibe. Direct approach noted, me likey but I want to see you progress. Explain this. edit: You're only talking about D1, it seems. As I said before: I was still catching up at that time, occupied with this + replying to you. I had slight suspicions against some of the more quiet players (nikamara, for example). But I didn't have anything solid against them, it was just a feeling. Also Abu, but he wanted to be replaced so I didn't vote for him. I want you to explaini how "no progression" means I'm scum. |
coromandelAug 14, 2017 1:39 AM
| @logic340 part of why I suspect you is, that town logic tends to go back and forth with suspecting others. Town logic might suspect someone, but will usually still listen to what the other person has to say, and maybe agree with certain things. But you were trying to discredit everything I said, twisting things I said into something else, or simply saying I had no right to point something out because I was guilty of it too, or somethinig along those lines. And you said the same thing to yurkin. You were trying to discredit what we said by implying: "You're doing the same thing, so your opinion isn't valid" It's one thing to suspect someone based on what they say. What you did was completely different though, it reeks of scum trying to shut people up. I've never seen town-logic act like this. And at first I thought, maybe this has something to do with another game (were we were on opposite teams), but you talked to yurkin the same way so this isn't it. Also, I noticed that you started to backtrack just when I became more aggressive towards you: coromandel said: unvote logic340 said: @coromandel my job is to find scum too but I cant do then when they hide behind I don't have to share my thoughts like you currently are. It's not even like I'm keeping all my reads to myself anyway, so what is your problem?? I've said what I thought about suzune, you, RE, yurkin, Ruu, roz. I've stated my thoughts on those players, but you're talking about me as if I don't share anything at all. That's wrong, and you know it. Yurkin is keeping her reads much more to herself than me, and yet you're not going after her, you're just tunneling on me. Care to explain why? This tells me you're just using this argument to justify your read on me. But it's fallacious. |
logic340 said: @roz1roz with likely two town flips coming tomorrow there will be plenty of information. Hopefully SK will hit mafia for us or they target the same person but I am not counting on it. Worst case: Yurkin flips town two townies die we are at 6-3-1 Best case: My initial scum read was correct yurkin flips Sk hits mafia we are at 7-2-1. If you are sure that yurkin is scum go ahead and vote just give me reasoning to look over after the flip. Reasoning that isn't linked to activity (yurking/abu). Also people have lives and not everyone is as dedicated as I am to put as much time and effort into these games so please try not to judge on activity but by the content they provide while here. I cannot refute your read on Abu but I have personal knowledge from being his scum team mate in Alcatraz mafia that says your read is wrong. Not sure where you've mentioned this before, but if you thought yurkin's the SK, why did you vote for no lynch yesterday? |
coromandel said: RE1031 said: I rarely try process of elimination but... Eliminated (people I will treat as town): RE Ruu - town, period. logic - lazy reasoning, but he is too motivated, too emotional to be scum Nikamara - As I've stated, while her suggestion to lynch roz has reasoning I strongly disagree with, I think it comes from misguided town, not scum. lastwhisper - This is a weird thing I'm reading him off of, but all his +1s kind of suggest to me he's agreeing to what he sees instantly, and scum don't really do this because they have to follow a consistent backstory. Unless they suddenly fall under pressure, while scum's reasoning won't necessarily be solid, it will be "reasonable." Their reasoning will be explained calmly, and while it won't make too much sense, they will sound sure of it. roz - I have to consider the possibility that he is very, very experienced and can fake all this without batting an eye. Maybe he shouldn't belong in this category. But I don't plan on lynching him. Putting yourself first as town. >.> Most people don't mention themselves in their reads list. And when you're town, it's obvious that you'd treat yourself as such. This tells me that you're self-conscious about your alignment. Have you done this in other games as well? @RE1031 |
Suzune-chan said: Okay, I am going to be frank and I know it is kind of an unpopular opinion with the people who are on but, isn't RE being kind of advantageous, (not the word I want but I can't think of it, one who moves to where the advantage is all the time). You play right on the edge so that you can be aggressive in all posts. But on to the actual subject I want to talk about, I think that Coro is town. They have strong reasoning and bring a fresh perspective. I am not really willing to vote Coro. I know that Logic is all fired up about this, but their posts are organized and make clear sense from where they are coming from. Honestly, if I lynch Yurkin it will be because there is so little to go by, which seems like such a waste. Opportunistic, you mean. I'm not sure about that, but his reads seem off to me. They're not very well thought out. |
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