PentaFlare said: Shinichi-Kun said: sure its a stretch but like u just said before i never let anything slide and use everything at my deposal to find all the enemies of the town. Sure, but in this case I think you are trying too hard to find something alignment indicative in a simple mechanics question. That may be true but im not forcing any reads im just looking at everything, also in past games people have been read as scum just from those simple mechanics talks your bringing up now lol. |
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Grapefruit21 said: LucianRoy said: Can I just vent about masons for a moment? Masons are actually op. If both players are reasonably good, they can get such an elevated view of the game by using the mason thread to voice ideas. They're anchors in the thread because they're confirmed town to each other, and it's almost like hydraing, except 10x better because you have two bodies and two heads instead of one body and two heads. As much as I hate asides I'm going down this rabbit hole with you. Masons are really strong, but they can be a balanced part of a game setup. You just can't really give a town with Mason's any other investigative power. I'd consider a basic set up reasonably balanced with something like 2 masons, 1 shot Vig, town RB, 5 VT scum strongman, goon, and bulletproof. It's just easy to overload town power with them because they don't look like an investigative. Like, when I think about balance in roles, (for actual non-bastard games), I always go back to f2f mafia and ask myself if it would fit balance wise. Two people having a simultainious referendum to all events occurring in the game is not only infeasily in f2f mafia, but it would be over powered for the strength in interpretive reads. Just imo/end |
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Grapefruit21 said: LucianRoy said: Can I just vent about masons for a moment? Masons are actually op. If both players are reasonably good, they can get such an elevated view of the game by using the mason thread to voice ideas. They're anchors in the thread because they're confirmed town to each other, and it's almost like hydraing, except 10x better because you have two bodies and two heads instead of one body and two heads. As much as I hate asides I'm going down this rabbit hole with you. Masons are really strong, but they can be a balanced part of a game setup. You just can't really give a town with Mason's any other investigative power. I'd consider a basic set up reasonably balanced with something like 2 masons, 1 shot Vig, town RB, 5 VT scum strongman, goon, and bulletproof. It's just easy to overload town power with them because they don't look like an investigative. Lets not forget tho that situations have arose where the masons alignments were different. One being town and the other mafia for example. |
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| I think grr has an awful case of information bias, that is, his bloodlust to seek this informain when it won't affect any action. That's the bad kind of bias, but d1 role fishing sadly fits with his meta soooo... fuq. |
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Oh goodness, Shi another vote count...whatever will we do. Look a new page. Although this will stop being so frequent soon. I have work~ Vote Count 1.5 Grapefruit21: Coelestin Coelestin: Logic340, Grrr Ruu: Pentaflare, Karote LucianRoy: Ruu, CorruptedPurity PentaFlare: Shinichi-Kun Grrr:LucianRoy, Grapefruit21 Those not voting Aa-dono, Lam-B, Jackrito, Oyasumi_Rosie, Qoco |
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Suzune-chan said: Oh goodness, Shi another vote count...whatever will we do. Look a new page. Although this will stop being so frequent soon. I have work~ Vote Count 1.5 Grapefruit21: Coelestin Coelestin: Logic340, Grrr Ruu: Pentaflare, Karote LucianRoy: Ruu, CorruptedPurity PentaFlare: Shinichi-Kun Grrr:LucianRoy, Grapefruit21 Those not voting Aa-dono, Lam-B, Jackrito, Oyasumi_Rosie, Qoco lmao most consistent host to date. still dont fully understand why coel has 2 votes. CHange Vote:jackrito i forgot your in this game, i am suppose to vote you out of habit. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: PentaFlare said: Sure, but in this case I think you are trying too hard to find something alignment indicative in a simple mechanics question. That may be true but im not forcing any reads im just looking at everything, also in past games people have been read as scum just from those simple mechanics talks your bringing up now lol. True. Scumreads happen for just about any reason. I'll always defend what I think is neutral though, even if it isn't me. Partially because I want to make sure nobody gets unjustly lynched, but also because I've found that townreads that are based on things that should be neutral are often strong scumtells because scum already know town is town and see the town motivation first. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: @pentaflare as much as we dont get along much :P i love being questioned by you, it helps me think. <3 |
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| @Shinichi-Kun we just can't agree on anything philosphoically can we? I view pretty much any sort of PR hunting/sorting as harmful to town D1, but I agree with your premise that this was a low impact offence. But given the level of fluff and high number of votes it's just about the scummiest thing I can find. |
Ruu said: Get well soon dono! ♡♡ I promise I won't let them lynch you while you are gone! ♡ I support this cause! |
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Grapefruit21 said: @Shinichi-Kun we just can't agree on anything philosphoically can we? I view pretty much any sort of PR hunting/sorting as harmful to town D1, but I agree with your premise that this was a low impact offence. But given the level of fluff and high number of votes it's just about the scummiest thing I can find. probably not lol, but ive learned it doesnt make u scummy if that helps. Fair enough point just saying ill look back into this if grrr flips town. |
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PentaFlare said: Shinichi-Kun said: That may be true but im not forcing any reads im just looking at everything, also in past games people have been read as scum just from those simple mechanics talks your bringing up now lol. True. Scumreads happen for just about any reason. I'll always defend what I think is neutral though, even if it isn't me. Partially because I want to make sure nobody gets unjustly lynched, but also because I've found that townreads that are based on things that should be neutral are often strong scumtells because scum already know town is town and see the town motivation first. Exactly which is why its good to look at all of them, tho i just dislike over justified rvs votes because they are exactly what they're suppose to be which is random >_>. I honestly see what you mean there well kinda lol. I try to defend everything and see the bad in it also. |
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| btw @suzune-chan random question cause i cant find it in the OP either that or im just blind but is night talk allowed? |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Of course. Talk all the time. This is a mafia anime. In the words of the anime, "The night is a good time. It is the time that belongs to the mafia."btw @suzune-chan random question cause i cant find it in the OP either that or im just blind but is night talk allowed? edited: quote needed to be right. Season 2 Episode 3 |
Suzune-chanApr 17, 2017 9:41 PM
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Suzune-chan said: Shinichi-Kun said: Of course. Talk all the time. This is a mafia anime. In the words of the anime, "The nighttime is the best, as that is the time when the mafia rules."btw @suzune-chan random question cause i cant find it in the OP either that or im just blind but is night talk allowed? ok just making sure lol |
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CorruptedPurity said: So Rosie and aa-dono are on our no lynch D1 list this game? CheckRuu said: Get well soon dono! ♡♡ I promise I won't let them lynch you while you are gone! ♡ I support this cause! |
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Coelestin said: PentaFlare said: That's Chione. You didn't know that, so you must be scum. >.> Your logic is flawed. If you really wanna go that way then you'd have to say that logic is a town read now since he didn't know that I was Chione and no one told him! :P logic340 said: ah thanks for the warning...lol So I have played with everyone here. @Coelestin so we meet again I see. lol... hi there. I can't believe you didn't recognize me, my dear. I am heartbroken. Such a bummer. I think it's the perfect night for a juicy lynch on scum. Interested? Can't tell quote how cutsey this shit is meant to look, but it looks disgusting even as a joke :S |
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CorruptedPurity said: Breaking my policy cos I miss Lucy too much. Vote:LucianRoy Miss me? (Nah you didn't) Pretty hype and all, but yee... noted. |
logic340 said: Coelestin said: I'll find a way to mend your heart. I'll make it a second objective this game.lol... hi there. I can't believe you didn't recognize me, my dear. I am heartbroken. *cough* What's the first then? *cough* |
logic340 said: CorruptedPurity said: this is so not like you but I'll let it slide because I'm excited for this rosterBreaking my policy cos I miss Lucy too much. Vote:LucianRoy Miss me? (Nah you didn't) @LucianRoy how you been? How much shit do you plan on allowing to "slide"? Even if this is a just an adjusted note. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: I dont see ur point here lol i didnt know that was chione ether till i checked her profile a couple of days ago. Vote:penta Confirmed scum for jumping onto an easy rvs Odd..... you form opinions this early into the game and with such wording? |
Shinichi-Kun said: LucianRoy said: I think Ruu is scum who tried to slander me pre-game. She did that before all the roles were even sent out tho, i dont like where this is going lol again. |
grrr said: logic340 said: ah thanks for the warning...lol So I have played with everyone here. @Coelestin so we meet again I see. LoL, yesterday I was looking for one of the new members in the MS so I decided to check the mafia introduction topic and I saw Coalesce there. I thought this might be the person I am looking for so I checked the profile and I noticed it is not. "What a boring person this Coalesce is" I thought (though I was still impressed by the no hugs part). But when I saw you claiming that to be Chione I was sure you are mistaken. I was ready to fight you back, but decided to check for any signs of chioneness in the profile and then I saw "Zero no Maria". I am glad you cleaned that from the start of the game, so I wont be surprised later. I think after chione's cover is blown we can proceed to lynch her now: Vote: chione Much like our last game.... this early start whilst not choosing to be a nuisance and nothing but worries me. |
grrr said: I just want to warn you that given the rule "the number of votes will not be posted" we should expect vote manipulating roles. So place your votes carefully. Also the useful observation to follow. Then this on top of it: grrr said: Who knows it might be me who has a vote manipulating powers. Not the greatest tease tbh, given set-up spec and something else..... |
Grapefruit21 said: Why is an early train sketchy in general? Pressure only does good things for town. And the picture was too good not to use for a while. @grrr that was an awful lot of fluff to justify an RVS. All the yee |
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grrr said: If I consider standrad roles to be: Vanilla, Cop, Doctor, 1-shot vigilante, 2-shot vigilante, Traker, Watcher, Lovers, Roleblocker and anything else to be weird role: inlcuding: odd night cop, 1 night bullet proff cop, x-shot cop, and whatever possible modification of the standard roles are possible. Then can you claim what kind of role you have? Then we can proceed to lynch all the people with weird roles as they are mafia. I myself have weird role. Not sure why you listed off standard role distribution than minor variations, following it up with the fact your own role would stand out. Also given then you've looked into the OP, this should give enough info to mess around with, mostly 4 and 6 though: "4. This game is considered both bastard and role madness. 5. Host has not lied about your role, nothing is being hidden about any of the roles. 6. Each role is unique and is flavoured for Bungo Stray Dogs. " |
CorruptedPurity said: grrr said: If I consider standrad roles to be: Vanilla, Cop, Doctor, 1-shot vigilante, 2-shot vigilante, Traker, Watcher, Lovers, Roleblocker and anything else to be weird role: inlcuding: odd night cop, 1 night bullet proff cop, x-shot cop, and whatever possible modification of the standard roles are possible. Then can you claim what kind of role you have? Then we can proceed to lynch all the people with weird roles as they are mafia. I myself have weird role. This is role madness + bastard. Everyone should have a non-meta role. Cheers. |
LucianRoy said: HOLY SHIT QOCO IS PANDA LucianRoy said: This changes everything Right, you've been pretty ded around here. |
Suzune-chan said: PentaFlare said: It is impossible for town to win with third party. The act of defeating the mafia but not taking out the third party, gives the third the victory. @Suzune-chan Based on the win conditions you have posted, am I save to assume Town and Third Party can both win, or does a Third Party victory overrule a Town victory? Thanks for getting this out of the way ahead of time for me, I was concerned about Mafio power revolving around the otherwise racist looking wincon for TPR. |
Shinichi-Kun said: Suzune-chan said: Oh goodness, Shi another vote count...whatever will we do. Look a new page. Although this will stop being so frequent soon. I have work~ Vote Count 1.5 Grapefruit21: Coelestin Coelestin: Logic340, Grrr Ruu: Pentaflare, Karote LucianRoy: Ruu, CorruptedPurity PentaFlare: Shinichi-Kun Grrr:LucianRoy, Grapefruit21 Those not voting Aa-dono, Lam-B, Jackrito, Oyasumi_Rosie, Qoco lmao most consistent host to date. still dont fully understand why coel has 2 votes. CHange Vote:jackrito i forgot your in this game, i am suppose to vote you out of habit. lol gross.... you meta-fix? and without getting called out on it first? |
| 2 possibly 3 notes regarding GRRR!! leans and such is always nice this early on. Before I fuck off I will also take this one: Vote: GRRR!! How many roles did you get ^^? |
| i hate having a late start to games, since RVS is now over in my view I will get down to it, at the moment I think they is too much mechanic speculation for a bastard game. They is little point of this atm with no info. I have read through the game a bit, but will need to reread later but the main thing that has caught my attention is Lucian's first post, normally when people say they are town so early it is to create the image they are town, not only for others but themselves. This is followed by his reaction to his train must be scum it just comes off as a blame game, town should not think they are been voted by scum only, this reaction so early is too strong. This is followed by some fluff posts and a vote o grr a easy lynch who gives little. Followed by a lot more fluff and little actual content, apart froma rant on masons which is unhelpful. i also don't like how much people jumped on Ruu so early, they are a easy lynch target and possible people taking adv of this. i tbh think their first post is bad but so bad they would not do it if scum they are a bit more careful then that. On a side note can no one go full Rinto please I don't need a unhelpful town again sick of town losing lately. They are some other small things thta caught my attention but need to look into them more later like the Penta, Chione and Shinchi stuff early on about RVS voting. For now going with my gut and my exp with Lucian as scum they is far too much fluff and over reacting tovotes on them with little scum hunting, apart a vote on grr which we all know wont lead to much this early. He is trying to look busy but doing nothing, a common problem lately is that people get town read for been active. Vote Lucianroy |
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| Damn, you guys are slow starters. LucianRoy said: HOLY SHIT QOCO IS PANDA Oh. @Ruu Do you actually suspect Lucy or why's your vote not on Karote, who gives you a "bad feeling"? Same to you @CorruptedPurity to you do you think Lucy is suspicious? @Shinichi-kun What are you thinking about Ruu's behavior? Grapefruit21 said: @Coelestin I don't care about reasonings for not dropping an RVS, it's never helpful and prevents information from flowing. It's a way to make an impression without being tied to anything later. More often comes from scum than town in my experience. As for the CPurity read it's mostly gut but I liked the tone and style of the interaction with Lucian on the bottom of page one. Kay. I see where you're getting at, just bothers me that you're not trying to include them in the discussion as well. It sounded like an easy vote to get away with and your posts after that didn't help much either. And the reads are kind of general. Your actions don't tell me you're trying to search for scum, but I get it, it's early in the game and hard to do so. Shinichi-Kun said: The problem is Grrr always says or does something that involves figuring out the roles/mechanics of the game so this is always a neutral tell for me. Grrr always has a plan atleast as town, he just never tells anyone bcause that ruins it absically. What do you think about his first post then? @logic340 Hope you actually have a reason for staying on me so long. Not helpful. @Jackrito what do you think about Grapefruit's early very little read list and his slight town read on Lucy? (I know you're still trying to catch up, take your time) |
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Coelestin said: Damn, you guys are slow starters. LucianRoy said: HOLY SHIT QOCO IS PANDA Oh. @Ruu Do you actually suspect Lucy or why's your vote not on Karote, who gives you a "bad feeling"? Same to you @CorruptedPurity to you do you think Lucy is suspicious? @Shinichi-kun What are you thinking about Ruu's behavior? Grapefruit21 said: @Coelestin I don't care about reasonings for not dropping an RVS, it's never helpful and prevents information from flowing. It's a way to make an impression without being tied to anything later. More often comes from scum than town in my experience. As for the CPurity read it's mostly gut but I liked the tone and style of the interaction with Lucian on the bottom of page one. Kay. I see where you're getting at, just bothers me that you're not trying to include them in the discussion as well. It sounded like an easy vote to get away with and your posts after that didn't help much either. And the reads are kind of general. Your actions don't tell me you're trying to search for scum, but I get it, it's early in the game and hard to do so. Shinichi-Kun said: The problem is Grrr always says or does something that involves figuring out the roles/mechanics of the game so this is always a neutral tell for me. Grrr always has a plan atleast as town, he just never tells anyone bcause that ruins it absically. What do you think about his first post then? @logic340 Hope you actually have a reason for staying on me so long. Not helpful. @Jackrito what do you think about Grapefruit's early very little read list and his slight town read on Lucy? (I know you're still trying to catch up, take your time) I'm caught up now i just feel a need to reread at some point on Grape their reads are really weak sure why they felt a need to say them I would like them to go into more detail on them though, vague reads are pointless and just offer soft protection. His scum reads annoy me the most since it is two easy targets and ones that won't fight back. |
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Ruu said: This time I'm chilling guys, just a heads up... I'm not mafia so I don't have to spend ours trying to create cases out of thin air so I'm pretty relax. That being said, I'll be scum hunting but at my own pace. I won't go full Rinto thou so don't worry. @logic340 Tied votes have more pressure. Let's say Roy and I were tied, then we would be worried about trying to avoid looking too scummy to not get a 3rd vote that put us in the lead. If I'm on the lead then Roy can relax a bit since even if he gets a vote that means a tie (and all the other players have 2 votes less than me so they can keep up their performance cause they know they are safe that way). Maybe I'm being too paranoid but I prefer to trust no one until I can get proof of towniness. I know I defended them earlier but this bothers me a lot, the first part comes off a bit too defensive and not sure why they think a town needs to put in less effort it just looks like they are saying don't bother with me I'm town this is a good way to avoid interactions with others and a excuse for low content. On second bit it seems so over the top explaining and the way they are worried so much about votes and not looking scummy comes off to me as a scum mindset a townies should not be as worried about own behaviour since they have less pressure. Also thier point on a tie means more pressure is false that is only true late game not now. The last part on paranoia comes off as fake to me as well and trying to show town concearns |
JackritoApr 18, 2017 3:15 AM
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Coelestin said: Votes are making me scratch my head. You guys have been stuck around the same people for like 10 hours. sadly this is all too common now town getting single minded and ignoring others. |
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Jackrito said: I'm caught up now i just feel a need to reread at some point on Grape their reads are really weak sure why they felt a need to say them I would like them to go into more detail on them though, vague reads are pointless and just offer soft protection. His scum reads annoy me the most since it is two easy targets and ones that won't fight back. Great, I can follow your thought of process on the vote on Lucy and your thoughts here. I like. Jackrito said: Coelestin said: Votes are making me scratch my head. You guys have been stuck around the same people for like 10 hours. sadly this is all too common now town getting single minded and ignoring others. I miss Ari for moments like these. @PentaFlare any ideas on how to change this not so great momentum of town? I feel like I can trust Jack and you more than these fluff posters. @Karote thoughts on this? |
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| vote: PentaFlare I find it suspicious that he doesn't want to tell me his role is weird >.> . |
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| My vote is pure RVS and tickling around with Lucy. There's WAS high chance it would move. I don't however townread lucy, he is unusually sure that Ruu is mafia and was pretty uncomfortable that my vote sat on him even though it was just for fun. I like logic so far, shini is weirdly serious and analyzing posts that were obvious jokes. I'm liking new grrr, it's no longer his standard town or scum game so it's something to look forward to. Grape feels a little forceful with his reads but it's grape so I think it's nothing too far off his town game. I actually think either Ruu or Lucy could be scum based on the way they played out their trains. |
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grrr said: vote: PentaFlare I find it suspicious that he doesn't want to tell me his role is weird >.> . Is this considered role-fishing @everyone-except-grrr |
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