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Jun 12, 2016 9:53 PM
#801
LucianRoy said: Shinichi-Kun said: LucianRoy said: Page 8 Not liking the fence sitting I see coming from Shinichi, and I'm finding it hard he can't unpack the Jack wagon. Not sure how so many people on that wagon could be neutral reads at this point in the game either, I feel like we've covered so much ground in such a short amount of time. Ari's response in 363 makes it sound like she's throwing it into the light of a personal fued between her and Shin, and she miiiigght be right, but Shinichi still has a smidgen of dirt on her, so I wouldn't say it's completely personal. I see his townread on togs, and it's meta, but I'm okay with it because he supports it well with commenting on why their behavior is town driven. Yet another good question from soul in 380 asking shinichi why he defended Jack when he was only a neutral read. The response from shin is just bad. Cross and Soul both fire questions at him like "why aren't you trying to solve your neutral read on Jack?" and he's still handing them back these silly playstyle reasons that I still have no recollection of him doing in previous day 1s I've played with him. I don't like his later responses on the page either. Like, he's still doing the "defending with his own meta" thing, but why is this becoming his default when people are asking on all of his actions? Why does he still have so many neutral reads, and continues to do this? Just gonna ignore this because I answered everything already so not gonna repeat myself or how i play my meta lmao. Why do I make these if they just get ignored? Feeling a little out of the loop here people. Doing my best to catch up, but people treating me as non-existent is getting a little old, no? Anyone want to ask me anything? I've read a good portion of the thread and can play guys. It's not easy making time for this when you have to entertain guests two nights in a row. I don't really feel the need to ask you anything. Normally you volunteer information on your own when it comes to the current game state. But please do provide us thoughts on what exactly you want to see happening in this twilight phase, Shinichi has already kindly given you questions for your guide. Also, do you have questions you want to directly ask anyone while you are at it? |
Jun 12, 2016 9:54 PM
#802
Arrisu said: I can't help but feel as though Dono is only worried about being lynched this whole time the pressure went on. All she has been is defensive & trying to turn back and pin me out as scum for it. Quite frankly, I find it funny when people try to pin me out as mafia for actively trying to pressure other players. This is definitely my regular town play, and the only reason I can see that Dono & Shinichi are scum reading me is because they don't want to see Dono lynched. All the reasoning dono & Shinichi have given thus far are all far-fetched. It's like an intensified OMGUS vote she gave me there. Well, I am worried about being lynched. Because I want to play still, and hope I can contribute more as the game goes. To say that I'm only worried about that means you're not really looking at my posts except on when I voted you, and defend myself. Can't deny that it does look like OMGUS vote. But I don't have the same opinion on everyone when it comes to your vote. About reasonings, you can say it's far fetched because at the moment, it's something only I thought. But it's not so far-fetched if you're scum and I'm right. I thought Shinichi defends everyone? :/ |
Jun 12, 2016 9:56 PM
#803
Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: 641 He bring's up people are lacking evidence atleast to jack which mean's his read on soren isn't strong enough to hold any weight, plus soren's confidence give's off a town vibe but i mean this could just be scum soren trying to make both mine and jack's logic seem flawed to shift pressure onto dono. Only reason im still wary of soren is because he's been acting weird plus his alignment is hard to pinpoint. That's just a wild theory (see bold) given he has made no mention of dono onto that post so I fail to see the pressure intention there. Are you committing to a slight town read on Soren, or to a neutral read on him? I'm a bit confused. Not comminting to a single read on him till i hear dono's side. Shrug i'm terrible with my phrasing and examples. I mainlu meant that it could be possible with the way that he's pointing out our logic's flaw that he's trying to get people to look away from him onto someone else because who will believe people who have flawed logic and can't even provide facts. Why does your read on Soren have any affect what dono has to say? why are they not independent on each other? You are really jumping to conclusions that Soren has immunity to being lynched here. Sorry to say but I don't think making holes in arguments is going to be the deciding factor. In this case, I only seen him defending himself nicely, not really scum hunting. I have a read on soren for now atleast we still have quite a a while before phase change not sure why i need to reveal that read right at this moment. Hmm? How am i implying soren has immunity? I assumed from your "flawed logic" and "facts" that anyone would have to be a mad-man to vote out the one who points out the flawed logic and absence of facts. Lynch immunity was too strong of a word to use for this type of statement, how about less likely lynch option then, hmm? |
Jun 12, 2016 9:59 PM
#804
Crossbell said: @SoulEaterQUEEN: You were in Idol Mafia. How would you describe aa-dono's play in that game versus this one? Super lurky. I almost forgot she was in the game (I actually forgot she was until you pointed it out to me just now) while I played it. She was a bit more pro-active in the beginning, do her asking questions, though she responded to the pressure and did the accusation dance with the vote she had (I voted her in Day 2). But then when no one voted her or pressured her she became a ghost, and did not bother to play the claim game later in the game at all which told me she lost momentum completely in the game. Though, I think she's trying a little harder this game, so I am curious to see where this will lead to after I see her finish playing catch up. |
Jun 12, 2016 10:01 PM
#805
Crossbell said: So the things I dislike from Lucian's catchup are: - The Soren pressure. Lucian is taking it at face value and posted a lot of general mafia theory information as to why policy lynching is a bad idea. It feels like a weak way to mudsling on Soren. The focus on Soren then shifting to Shinichi is also questionable. - The vote on Shinichi. I still think that Shinichi is town and is probably low-hanging fruit for the scum to grab on to, and my gut is telling me that Lucian is one of them. I'll wait and check to see if Lucian finishes his catchup, though. -- Another thing that struck me as scummy from aa-dono is she isn't caring about her questions. Here are two questions she asked on page 5: SoulEaterQUEEN said: aa-dono said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: aa-dono said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: aa-dono said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Soren said: Jackrito said: 1. If we have confident scum reads we should do it. Crossbell said: Like if we double lynch Days 1 and 2 we can lynch four people while the scum can only kill one. That gives us reasonably likely odds to hit at least one scum. It gives us decent odds to kill ourselfs as well this is a gamble that can backfire badly, and not something town would do in my view. If mafia can control these votes we are doomed this just appears to me a way to give scum a fast easy win. 2. We should do it anyways to enter twilight to gain an additional 24 hours to discuss. We can always go back to lynching only one of the tied players. I'm fine with it but if we start munching double townies I don't want to do this again until later game. Wouldn't double lynch be more riskier in later games? Especially with mafia wincon. Assuming they'd be able to make night kills, then the risk losing more townies by lynch at later phase will be even worse. It depends on whose around in the later games, definitely risky but if town has enough confidence to scum hunt it can be really effective to kill at a price of one, and if not we can just do 1 lynch between the tied voters so this gives 24 hours to discuss who is the more scummier target as well instead of doing a panic lynch in the last 10 minutes of the phase to lynch someone for the sake of info Guess I agree with this. Though panic lynch doesn't really help for info imo because most people would just sheep the person they townread and the person who pushes the lynch will be the one questioned while most of the time the sheepers gets free with "because I thought he might be right" etc Not in my books they don't. Anyone behaving shifty during a lynch is going to get questioned and thoroughly checked. Though I find it interesting that you say people sheep based on the person who they townread, I don't find this to be very common reason to sheep a vote - but I could be wrong? Hehe. I love aggressive Soul-nee ^^ Anyway, I think that is very common. At least in the games I've played. Why do you think it's unusual? Do you think most people have other reasons when they sheep? I thought it be more unusual because of people's paranoia play, I would expect people being afraid to commit to a read and trusting someone else's read. I feel as though when sheeping is happening not much thought goes in, and people will sheep because they say "I just want a lynch to happen", if you have time to think about your reads and sheeping someone based on the people or person leading the votes, then why not just spend time on your own reads on the lynch candidates instead? aa-dono said: Crossbell said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Double lynching every single Day gives us control over four lynches while the scum only have one, right?yeah sure but don't forget that scum can win when there's 6 townies alive and 3 scum alive >.> so I rather not use this weapon so freely. I think we can use our respective scumhunting powers to at least bury one, maybe more. My top priority is to actually get one scum lynched, as snagging at least one will lighten the noose around our neck. If the both lynches turns out to be town, it would backfire. Plus, what kind of info can be gained from double lynch? It's almost like not making a decision. I ended up not answering that question to see if she would follow up on it (ie, if she would remember it and call me out on not answering her question) These are all questions she asked on page 5. From looking over her posts over the night, it seems like she isn't following up on her questions. She's asking a lot of questions to put on the appearance of a scumhunting townie, but isn't actually caring about the answers. Which is why I have a scumread on her. Soul suggested I spend time on my own reads. I did just that. Is it necessary to reply with just a single "ok"? And for the question I asked you, I was basically asking the significance of a double lynch. and everyone else mentioned it a couple of time. If you have replied, it would have been nice, but you did not, and it's something I could learn as the game progress anyway. |
Jun 12, 2016 10:03 PM
#806
SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: 641 He bring's up people are lacking evidence atleast to jack which mean's his read on soren isn't strong enough to hold any weight, plus soren's confidence give's off a town vibe but i mean this could just be scum soren trying to make both mine and jack's logic seem flawed to shift pressure onto dono. Only reason im still wary of soren is because he's been acting weird plus his alignment is hard to pinpoint. That's just a wild theory (see bold) given he has made no mention of dono onto that post so I fail to see the pressure intention there. Are you committing to a slight town read on Soren, or to a neutral read on him? I'm a bit confused. Not comminting to a single read on him till i hear dono's side. Shrug i'm terrible with my phrasing and examples. I mainlu meant that it could be possible with the way that he's pointing out our logic's flaw that he's trying to get people to look away from him onto someone else because who will believe people who have flawed logic and can't even provide facts. Why does your read on Soren have any affect what dono has to say? why are they not independent on each other? You are really jumping to conclusions that Soren has immunity to being lynched here. Sorry to say but I don't think making holes in arguments is going to be the deciding factor. In this case, I only seen him defending himself nicely, not really scum hunting. I have a read on soren for now atleast we still have quite a a while before phase change not sure why i need to reveal that read right at this moment. Hmm? How am i implying soren has immunity? I assumed from your "flawed logic" and "facts" that anyone would have to be a mad-man to vote out the one who points out the flawed logic and absence of facts. Lynch immunity was too strong of a word to use for this type of statement, how about less likely lynch option then, hmm? Can't really answer that because not sure who i rather lynch more till i here dono defense and lmao why would that make them a mad man im confused? |
Jun 12, 2016 10:05 PM
#807
Arrisu said: Crossbell said: Arrisu said: Crossbell said: Can someone corroborate what I said above? Even though I said that I'm still second guessing myself over if she's just a bad townie or is actually scum. You mean dono? Yes. Everything you said is super accurate. Hence why I town read you, yet again our reads & opinions share many similarities. Hm I'd say dono is the type of player who lurks as town but always provides logical responses and votes. As town, I could never imagine her OMGUS voting another player, since she would rather vote against somebody whom she potentially sees as mafia. Also her lack of pertinent questions & lack of follow-up afterwards is something I'm not used too. It's usually hard to read her since she is pretty quiet generally speaking but she definitely strikes to me as scummy. I've always been called out for my lack of follow-up. Why are you saying you're not used to it? And it's true I usually don't place a vote if I don't see someone as a potential mafia. But I explained that it wasn't an OMGUS vote. On the lurking part, well that's just me trying to change. It's kinda exciting to actually be active. |
Jun 12, 2016 10:05 PM
#808
Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: 641 He bring's up people are lacking evidence atleast to jack which mean's his read on soren isn't strong enough to hold any weight, plus soren's confidence give's off a town vibe but i mean this could just be scum soren trying to make both mine and jack's logic seem flawed to shift pressure onto dono. Only reason im still wary of soren is because he's been acting weird plus his alignment is hard to pinpoint. That's just a wild theory (see bold) given he has made no mention of dono onto that post so I fail to see the pressure intention there. Are you committing to a slight town read on Soren, or to a neutral read on him? I'm a bit confused. Not comminting to a single read on him till i hear dono's side. Shrug i'm terrible with my phrasing and examples. I mainlu meant that it could be possible with the way that he's pointing out our logic's flaw that he's trying to get people to look away from him onto someone else because who will believe people who have flawed logic and can't even provide facts. Why does your read on Soren have any affect what dono has to say? why are they not independent on each other? You are really jumping to conclusions that Soren has immunity to being lynched here. Sorry to say but I don't think making holes in arguments is going to be the deciding factor. In this case, I only seen him defending himself nicely, not really scum hunting. I have a read on soren for now atleast we still have quite a a while before phase change not sure why i need to reveal that read right at this moment. Hmm? How am i implying soren has immunity? I assumed from your "flawed logic" and "facts" that anyone would have to be a mad-man to vote out the one who points out the flawed logic and absence of facts. Lynch immunity was too strong of a word to use for this type of statement, how about less likely lynch option then, hmm? Can't really answer that because not sure who i rather lynch more till i here dono defense and lmao why would that make them a mad man im confused? mad man iteration: " because who will believe people who have flawed logic and can't even provide facts." |
Jun 12, 2016 10:06 PM
#809
How is it dono picked up on this when we've only played 3-4 game together but no one else has noticed it yet lol. Also to be exact I tend to defend everyone on day 1. |
Jun 12, 2016 10:08 PM
#810
SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: 641 He bring's up people are lacking evidence atleast to jack which mean's his read on soren isn't strong enough to hold any weight, plus soren's confidence give's off a town vibe but i mean this could just be scum soren trying to make both mine and jack's logic seem flawed to shift pressure onto dono. Only reason im still wary of soren is because he's been acting weird plus his alignment is hard to pinpoint. That's just a wild theory (see bold) given he has made no mention of dono onto that post so I fail to see the pressure intention there. Are you committing to a slight town read on Soren, or to a neutral read on him? I'm a bit confused. Not comminting to a single read on him till i hear dono's side. Shrug i'm terrible with my phrasing and examples. I mainlu meant that it could be possible with the way that he's pointing out our logic's flaw that he's trying to get people to look away from him onto someone else because who will believe people who have flawed logic and can't even provide facts. Why does your read on Soren have any affect what dono has to say? why are they not independent on each other? You are really jumping to conclusions that Soren has immunity to being lynched here. Sorry to say but I don't think making holes in arguments is going to be the deciding factor. In this case, I only seen him defending himself nicely, not really scum hunting. I have a read on soren for now atleast we still have quite a a while before phase change not sure why i need to reveal that read right at this moment. Hmm? How am i implying soren has immunity? I assumed from your "flawed logic" and "facts" that anyone would have to be a mad-man to vote out the one who points out the flawed logic and absence of facts. Lynch immunity was too strong of a word to use for this type of statement, how about less likely lynch option then, hmm? Can't really answer that because not sure who i rather lynch more till i here dono defense and lmao why would that make them a mad man im confused? mad man iteration: " because who will believe people who have flawed logic and can't even provide facts." Oh ok that makes more sense lol. Can we be fair alot of people bring up good points without providing proof so if that's the case theirs alot of information that should be disregarded then. Biased/flawed logic is still logic bad logic at that but still logic. |
Jun 12, 2016 10:10 PM
#811
Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: 641 He bring's up people are lacking evidence atleast to jack which mean's his read on soren isn't strong enough to hold any weight, plus soren's confidence give's off a town vibe but i mean this could just be scum soren trying to make both mine and jack's logic seem flawed to shift pressure onto dono. Only reason im still wary of soren is because he's been acting weird plus his alignment is hard to pinpoint. That's just a wild theory (see bold) given he has made no mention of dono onto that post so I fail to see the pressure intention there. Are you committing to a slight town read on Soren, or to a neutral read on him? I'm a bit confused. Not comminting to a single read on him till i hear dono's side. Shrug i'm terrible with my phrasing and examples. I mainlu meant that it could be possible with the way that he's pointing out our logic's flaw that he's trying to get people to look away from him onto someone else because who will believe people who have flawed logic and can't even provide facts. Why does your read on Soren have any affect what dono has to say? why are they not independent on each other? You are really jumping to conclusions that Soren has immunity to being lynched here. Sorry to say but I don't think making holes in arguments is going to be the deciding factor. In this case, I only seen him defending himself nicely, not really scum hunting. I have a read on soren for now atleast we still have quite a a while before phase change not sure why i need to reveal that read right at this moment. Hmm? How am i implying soren has immunity? I assumed from your "flawed logic" and "facts" that anyone would have to be a mad-man to vote out the one who points out the flawed logic and absence of facts. Lynch immunity was too strong of a word to use for this type of statement, how about less likely lynch option then, hmm? Can't really answer that because not sure who i rather lynch more till i here dono defense and lmao why would that make them a mad man im confused? mad man iteration: " because who will believe people who have flawed logic and can't even provide facts." Oh ok that makes more sense lol. Can we be fair alot of people bring up good points without providing proof so if that's the case theirs alot of information that should be disregarded then. Biased/flawed logic is still logic bad logic at that but still logic. A big "huh" to this. Not really sure where you are getting at but going to drop this for now. |
Jun 12, 2016 10:11 PM
#812
Crossbell said: I may not be here for the final 30 minutes of the Day - just a heads up, which is why I want it to be as unchaotic as possible. Any last minute vote changes to disrupt the Twilight phase of the game will be treated as a scum claim. I feel like it is important to emphasize this. Why do you have to emphasize that and limit others' option? Shouldn't you want more reads? That's just like asking for everyone to only look at me and Soren. |
Jun 12, 2016 10:13 PM
#813
aa-dono said: Crossbell said: I may not be here for the final 30 minutes of the Day - just a heads up, which is why I want it to be as unchaotic as possible. Any last minute vote changes to disrupt the Twilight phase of the game will be treated as a scum claim. I feel like it is important to emphasize this. Why do you have to emphasize that and limit others' option? Shouldn't you want more reads? That's just like asking for everyone to only look at me and Soren. What's the issue with controlled voting in the last 30 minutes? What happens if no one got lynched because of a 3 way tie produced because no one planned accordingly? |
Jun 12, 2016 10:14 PM
#814
Arrisu said: Bee-Boy said: I am waiting on a VC. I am comfortable not lynching Jackrito because enough people told me it was a bad idea. So change your vote to Soren? I'd like to see the tie between Soren & Dono as well. Why? Did you read Soren as scum as well? |
Jun 12, 2016 10:14 PM
#815
SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: 641 He bring's up people are lacking evidence atleast to jack which mean's his read on soren isn't strong enough to hold any weight, plus soren's confidence give's off a town vibe but i mean this could just be scum soren trying to make both mine and jack's logic seem flawed to shift pressure onto dono. Only reason im still wary of soren is because he's been acting weird plus his alignment is hard to pinpoint. That's just a wild theory (see bold) given he has made no mention of dono onto that post so I fail to see the pressure intention there. Are you committing to a slight town read on Soren, or to a neutral read on him? I'm a bit confused. Not comminting to a single read on him till i hear dono's side. Shrug i'm terrible with my phrasing and examples. I mainlu meant that it could be possible with the way that he's pointing out our logic's flaw that he's trying to get people to look away from him onto someone else because who will believe people who have flawed logic and can't even provide facts. Why does your read on Soren have any affect what dono has to say? why are they not independent on each other? You are really jumping to conclusions that Soren has immunity to being lynched here. Sorry to say but I don't think making holes in arguments is going to be the deciding factor. In this case, I only seen him defending himself nicely, not really scum hunting. I have a read on soren for now atleast we still have quite a a while before phase change not sure why i need to reveal that read right at this moment. Hmm? How am i implying soren has immunity? I assumed from your "flawed logic" and "facts" that anyone would have to be a mad-man to vote out the one who points out the flawed logic and absence of facts. Lynch immunity was too strong of a word to use for this type of statement, how about less likely lynch option then, hmm? Can't really answer that because not sure who i rather lynch more till i here dono defense and lmao why would that make them a mad man im confused? mad man iteration: " because who will believe people who have flawed logic and can't even provide facts." Oh ok that makes more sense lol. Can we be fair alot of people bring up good points without providing proof so if that's the case theirs alot of information that should be disregarded then. Biased/flawed logic is still logic bad logic at that but still logic. A big "huh" to this. Not really sure where you are getting at but going to drop this for now. not sure where ur getting with all your questions tho. Actually jsut tempted to ignore ur responses for now anyways so i can go read crossbells giant post and put together my own read on dono. |
Jun 12, 2016 10:16 PM
#816
aa-dono said: Crossbell said: I may not be here for the final 30 minutes of the Day - just a heads up, which is why I want it to be as unchaotic as possible. Any last minute vote changes to disrupt the Twilight phase of the game will be treated as a scum claim. I feel like it is important to emphasize this. Why do you have to emphasize that and limit others' option? Shouldn't you want more reads? That's just like asking for everyone to only look at me and Soren. causing panic is scummy keep the votes controlled between 2 people gives us a better situation to work with and more time to question others. Only scum would wanna disrupt it and stop twilight phase so that's why cross said that. |
Jun 12, 2016 10:17 PM
#817
Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: 641 He bring's up people are lacking evidence atleast to jack which mean's his read on soren isn't strong enough to hold any weight, plus soren's confidence give's off a town vibe but i mean this could just be scum soren trying to make both mine and jack's logic seem flawed to shift pressure onto dono. Only reason im still wary of soren is because he's been acting weird plus his alignment is hard to pinpoint. That's just a wild theory (see bold) given he has made no mention of dono onto that post so I fail to see the pressure intention there. Are you committing to a slight town read on Soren, or to a neutral read on him? I'm a bit confused. Not comminting to a single read on him till i hear dono's side. Shrug i'm terrible with my phrasing and examples. I mainlu meant that it could be possible with the way that he's pointing out our logic's flaw that he's trying to get people to look away from him onto someone else because who will believe people who have flawed logic and can't even provide facts. Why does your read on Soren have any affect what dono has to say? why are they not independent on each other? You are really jumping to conclusions that Soren has immunity to being lynched here. Sorry to say but I don't think making holes in arguments is going to be the deciding factor. In this case, I only seen him defending himself nicely, not really scum hunting. I have a read on soren for now atleast we still have quite a a while before phase change not sure why i need to reveal that read right at this moment. Hmm? How am i implying soren has immunity? I assumed from your "flawed logic" and "facts" that anyone would have to be a mad-man to vote out the one who points out the flawed logic and absence of facts. Lynch immunity was too strong of a word to use for this type of statement, how about less likely lynch option then, hmm? Can't really answer that because not sure who i rather lynch more till i here dono defense and lmao why would that make them a mad man im confused? mad man iteration: " because who will believe people who have flawed logic and can't even provide facts." Oh ok that makes more sense lol. Can we be fair alot of people bring up good points without providing proof so if that's the case theirs alot of information that should be disregarded then. Biased/flawed logic is still logic bad logic at that but still logic. A big "huh" to this. Not really sure where you are getting at but going to drop this for now. not sure where ur getting with all your questions tho. Actually jsut tempted to ignore ur responses for now anyways so i can go read crossbells giant post and put together my own read on dono. All my questions are presented as a means to gather information. Ignoring my questions means you are depriving me of information. Information deprivation is not really a townie's mindset. But go right ahead, it is what it is. I think I got enough out of you for now. I'm also really annoyed that only a quarter of the player list has really made an entrance in the twilight phase. |
Jun 12, 2016 10:21 PM
#818
SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: 641 He bring's up people are lacking evidence atleast to jack which mean's his read on soren isn't strong enough to hold any weight, plus soren's confidence give's off a town vibe but i mean this could just be scum soren trying to make both mine and jack's logic seem flawed to shift pressure onto dono. Only reason im still wary of soren is because he's been acting weird plus his alignment is hard to pinpoint. That's just a wild theory (see bold) given he has made no mention of dono onto that post so I fail to see the pressure intention there. Are you committing to a slight town read on Soren, or to a neutral read on him? I'm a bit confused. Not comminting to a single read on him till i hear dono's side. Shrug i'm terrible with my phrasing and examples. I mainlu meant that it could be possible with the way that he's pointing out our logic's flaw that he's trying to get people to look away from him onto someone else because who will believe people who have flawed logic and can't even provide facts. Why does your read on Soren have any affect what dono has to say? why are they not independent on each other? You are really jumping to conclusions that Soren has immunity to being lynched here. Sorry to say but I don't think making holes in arguments is going to be the deciding factor. In this case, I only seen him defending himself nicely, not really scum hunting. I have a read on soren for now atleast we still have quite a a while before phase change not sure why i need to reveal that read right at this moment. Hmm? How am i implying soren has immunity? I assumed from your "flawed logic" and "facts" that anyone would have to be a mad-man to vote out the one who points out the flawed logic and absence of facts. Lynch immunity was too strong of a word to use for this type of statement, how about less likely lynch option then, hmm? Can't really answer that because not sure who i rather lynch more till i here dono defense and lmao why would that make them a mad man im confused? mad man iteration: " because who will believe people who have flawed logic and can't even provide facts." Oh ok that makes more sense lol. Can we be fair alot of people bring up good points without providing proof so if that's the case theirs alot of information that should be disregarded then. Biased/flawed logic is still logic bad logic at that but still logic. A big "huh" to this. Not really sure where you are getting at but going to drop this for now. not sure where ur getting with all your questions tho. Actually jsut tempted to ignore ur responses for now anyways so i can go read crossbells giant post and put together my own read on dono. All my questions are presented as a means to gather information. Ignoring my questions means you are depriving me of information. Information deprivation is not really a townie's mindset. But go right ahead, it is what it is. I think I got enough out of you for now. I'm also really annoyed that only a quarter of the player list has really made an entrance in the twilight phase. I'm also annoyed at that too because atleast half the player base was so keen on the double lynch but no one is even her saying anything. Technically your still getting info just not an answer to a question but it's fine since you clearly got what you want your inviting me not give u anymore answers XD. |
Jun 12, 2016 10:22 PM
#819
LucianRoy said: Page 9 Blah blah, beeboy still reads Jack as scum, blah blah Dono seems to have gotten kicked into gear from all the votes she's garnered, but a lot of her questions feel too general. She drops some self meta in 435 about her being an observer, and from what I remember, I agree with it, but I don't see any conclusions with the analysis she says she's formulating by asking all of them. There's just a bunch of questions that I don't see going anywhere. I don't like Dono's defense from Ari claiming that her vote was random. I thought the vote was a decent attempt to push a player who's insight she found odd. It does seem somewhat omgus-ish to me, although Dono being upset at the lack of textual evidence coming from Ari is fair. Crossbell backed the vote as well, and Cross is probably one of my largest TRs right now just from their approach to the game as a whole. I think I explained this in a bit of my earlier catch-up post as well. Followind's entrance to the game struck me in a nullish to town fashion, but it really disappoints me that he didn't vote after his read-though. I'm curious to see who he votes now that twilight has rolled around. I hope he doesn't keep up his passiveness he claimed towards the end of his post in the form of not-voting, because that's just straight fence-sitting. Well, I don't like Ari's vote on me. True. But if anything, I'm more upset if I can't defend myself well. Although I don't agree with it, I like Crossbell vote on me. At least he's trying to read me. Now that you brought that up, I'm also curious on who @followind would vote |
Jun 12, 2016 10:28 PM
#820
2. @Togs 3. @Jackrito 4. @Bee-Boy 5. @SightlessReality 8. @followind 11. @bioshade2 13. @Shuuka Peekaboo you people gonna provide any input? |
Jun 12, 2016 10:31 PM
#821
Crossbell said: Okay, going to talk through my reads to see if this generates any useful content. (Also, spoilering since it will likely be pretty long, and I am thankful I have the time needed in order to this. God I'm addicted to this game) Crossbell Togs Jackrito Bee-Boy SightlessReality SoulEaterQUEEN LucianRoy followind aa-dono Soren bioshade2 Arrisu Shuuka Shinichi-kun SoulEaterQUEEN has been actively scumhunting, caring about her questions, and trying to get more activity into the game. I'm a fan of how she pushed Jackrito solely to get people to take stances and to build the wagon on him, then backed off on him. She's been actively trying to solve the game and if she is indeed scum I have to tip my hat off for a masterful performance. Jackrito is also here for "resolute" responses to pressure. Bee-Boy is correct that he hasn't been scumhunting but I was a fan of the reads list and people who get voted up early Day 1 (aka, the first lynch wagon) are pretty unlikely to be scum. I buy the "I'm trying Day 1 to change up my playstyle" argument, and I like the "You led some bad tunnels in our last game and seems you are doing the same again here. Stop looking at things to suit your agenda" when he responded to Togs. That feels like town trying to get another person to re-evaluate, rather than scum discrediting. He also has the feeling that he actually believes what he is saying. Bee-Boy is mostly town for early game stuff. He had an agenda of actively solving the game and pointed out alignment-relevant things in pregame, which indicated that he was ready and willing to hop into the scumhunting fray. I can track his thought processes. In #339 and #346 he was inquisitive with regards to Arrisu and followed up on it, so he cares about the answers he is getting. Crossbell Jackrito Bee-Boy SoulEaterQUEEN Togs SightlessReality LucianRoy followind aa-dono Soren bioshade2 Arrisu Shuuka Shinichi-kun Shinichi is still a townread, though to a lesser extent since he makes statements that make me go "hm?". He's been decently scumhunting in his own way (natural inquisitiveness). The townie self declarations also ring true. Like I'm reading Corpse Party and for like the first three pages he doesn't scumhunt at all and focuses exclusively on mechanics, which is a pretty far cry from this game. Like I said earlier, he seems to be genuinely confused as to why he is garnering pressure and I liked the reads list and post 397. This post felt townie to me: Shinichi said: It feels really honest, for the lack of a better term.I'm actually quite terrible at defending myself lol normally once a train builds on me i just make the situation worse regardless of being town or scum :'(. I honestly don't see anything wrong with what I do and I don't think it honestly harms anyone but myself cause seem's people find myself scummy based off of a meta read that i've done every game for a while now. Crossbell Jackrito Bee-Boy SoulEaterQUEEN Shinichi-kun Togs SightlessReality LucianRoy followind aa-dono Soren bioshade2 Arrisu Shuuka Tons of more names to go, but those four I'd consider my "take to the bank" townreads. If any of them are scum they're playing a decent game in my opinion. Arrisu is town because of the role PM slip which.. I think she can plausibly fake as scum but it'd be a weird angle. This reads as pretty genuine as well: Arrisu said: The "I don't want to be the miller" thing also feels genuine and makes more sense if she is actually just vanilla. I like the pressure on aa-dono which reminds me a lot of the Claire scumread she had in Shounen, and the questions she is asking feel natural and bent on solving the game. I've also liked her answers to my questions.Me likey this idea. Let's make scum cringe.~ Reason why she isn't on the very top of the townreads is that all of this stuff isn't especially hard to fake? Plus the buddying makes me nervous since I could be snowed under, but yeah, gun to my head, town. I will tentatively townread LucianRoy for now since his catchups aren't all that bad, but the scumread on Shinichi and scumread on Soren kind of raise my eyebrows. Him not responding to me calling him out is kind of weird as well. This is by far the least confident of my townreads since he actually hasn't been "here" and the fact that this read is mostly supported by me ISOing the first five or so pages of Harry Potter. Crossbell Jackrito Bee-Boy SoulEaterQUEEN Shinichi-kun Arrisu LucianRoy Togs SightlessReality followind aa-dono Soren bioshade2 Shuuka Hey, that's mostly all of the active players. If all of the active players are town that'd be great, but we have a huge morass of Lurk to sort through. Togs got bumped down here because.. where are you dude? He has a mechanics-related post and an actual reads post which displays some original thought. I actually really like his two questions directed to me since it shows that he is genuinely trying to figure out my alignment, and I can see how he would shift his read on Shinichi after PentaFlare snowed Togs in the other game. Then ????. I just want him to post more, though I have liked what he has posted. Gun to my head says he's town but I'm not exactly the most confident. So.. fits the criteria for a green read! Crossbell Jackrito Bee-Boy SoulEaterQUEEN Shinichi-kun Arrisu LucianRoy Togs SightlessReality followind aa-dono Soren bioshade2 Shuuka Six names. Three scum in six, unless I'm firmly latched in someone's Pocket. It really bothers me that all of these people are lurkers. Sightless Reality is ????. He clearly needs to be dealt with at some point but he's always a default lynch/PoE every game I play with him. I'd say that he's a bit more likely to be scum with all the townreads I have, but it's not strong, and as usual I do not remember any of his posts. Shuuka is in the same category as Sightless. Nothing really stands out to me. I guess her random vote on Jackrito could be slightly more >rand scum since she was on the wagon, but on the other hand she could just be genuinely new and have no idea what to do in the game. I don't know. I get a slight town feeling from her posts but meh. followind feels like New Player in First Scum Game or something, at least that's my gut feel. The "I'll play passively so I don't get nightkilled N1" feels a little bit genuine to me and has me lightly townread him, but his reads are mostly thread consensus and the part where he wants to figure out where someone rolehinted just reeks. There's some mechanics discussion and he doesn't place down a vote, sadly. followind said: Ick?I'm saying that he mentioned that he role hinted so I was browsing the page and couldn't find it.. So.. I'm just wondering if he did role hint or not What I wanted to know is where or did he role hinted and not what he role hinted bioshade is ?? as well. He's certainly consistent? He says that "I think people pushing for a double lynch might be scum!" and then scumreads Arrisu and I for it. I don't know, he seems somewhat naturally inquisitive. Gut says town-ish? I think at least one of aa-dono and Soren HAVE to be scum, from PoE. Soren seems to be quite overdefensive and has not really scumhunted nor has provided much in twilight phase, and dono seems to be nitpicking. I would make a separate case for each of them but my internet gets really bad at night and navigating the thread is a chore. I'll make time tomorrow maybe if we need it? This reread took up nearly an hour so yeah, heh. Crossbell Jackrito Bee-Boy SoulEaterQUEEN Shinichi-kun Arrisu LucianRoy Togs Shuuka bioshade2 followind SightlessReality Soren aa-dono Reads at the moment. I'll take a look more at aa-dono in the morning, maybe, but @aa-dono: Who do you want to lynch, and why? Same question I asked Soren - you have a triple barreled gun, and you need to shoot a scum or lose. Who do you shoot? Someone should double check me as well, as I'm nearly certain I'm wrong somewhere about one of my reads, heh. If I'm wrong it's either Arrisu or Lucian, maybe SoulEaterQUEEN since I don't have an idea of her scum range, but if she's scum I'm just resigning to her and losing in final three or something so yeah. It /feels/ wrong for all the active, experienced players to be scum though. Experience tells me that there's a Deep Scum to figure out but we need to catch all of the lurker scum before them due to the modified scum win condition. I like your thoughts but I still don't exactly understand the strong town read on Bee-Boy. His early game was not a bad contribution but I feel like he has been cruising through from middle-late phase, and stuck with his Jack vote even though it did not really go anywhere by that time. I will clarify to anyone before asking me, I do not commit to a scum read on Bee-Boy, but his play later in the phase has produced a weary gut feeling. Though one thing concerns me here, and perhaps to you as well, is that neither of us are familiar with his scum game, and I am willing to bet that he's not a pushover when he plays scum, so let's keep that in mind as the game progresses. I'm still not hot on Shinichi-kun though I have been feeling a little better since I am starting to get the feeling he legitimately cares what happens in the twilight phase, he's interested on whom to lynch which can tell me 1 of 2 things. 1) he's a weary townie that doesn't want to mess up this phase, or 2) there's someone he is interested in defending. So I will await how intends to go about the lynch options and what he plans to do with the information afterwards when I re-evaluate my reads in the next day phase. Though, you raise a good point on Togs. He's seriously disappeared from the game, though I noticed he did that in Tsundere Madness towards end game as well. Not sure if he has stuff going on or if he has seriously lost momentum in the game for whatever reason. I'm willing to give Togs a chance to "redeem" himself if he gives us valuable insight during this twilight phase. I also like that approach on lurker scum, because I agree, we need to find the lurker scum first since they are only around to deprive information to town as their main benefactor source. Though we have quite a few to select from and I think whatever ends up happening this twilight phase will hopefully narrow down the list. |
Jun 12, 2016 10:34 PM
#822
aa-dono said: LucianRoy said: Page 9 Blah blah, beeboy still reads Jack as scum, blah blah Dono seems to have gotten kicked into gear from all the votes she's garnered, but a lot of her questions feel too general. She drops some self meta in 435 about her being an observer, and from what I remember, I agree with it, but I don't see any conclusions with the analysis she says she's formulating by asking all of them. There's just a bunch of questions that I don't see going anywhere. I don't like Dono's defense from Ari claiming that her vote was random. I thought the vote was a decent attempt to push a player who's insight she found odd. It does seem somewhat omgus-ish to me, although Dono being upset at the lack of textual evidence coming from Ari is fair. Crossbell backed the vote as well, and Cross is probably one of my largest TRs right now just from their approach to the game as a whole. I think I explained this in a bit of my earlier catch-up post as well. Followind's entrance to the game struck me in a nullish to town fashion, but it really disappoints me that he didn't vote after his read-though. I'm curious to see who he votes now that twilight has rolled around. I hope he doesn't keep up his passiveness he claimed towards the end of his post in the form of not-voting, because that's just straight fence-sitting. Well, I don't like Ari's vote on me. True. But if anything, I'm more upset if I can't defend myself well. Although I don't agree with it, I like Crossbell vote on me. At least he's trying to read me. Now that you brought that up, I'm also curious on who @followind would vote Can you explain to me why you don't like Ari's vote on you again? |
Jun 12, 2016 10:38 PM
#823
Shinichi-Kun said: 2. @Togs 3. @Jackrito 4. @Bee-Boy 5. @SightlessReality 8. @followind 11. @bioshade2 13. @Shuuka Peekaboo you people gonna provide any input? Jack's sleeping :S |
Jun 12, 2016 10:39 PM
#824
My gut is telling me that aa-dono might actually be town. :( |
Jun 12, 2016 10:41 PM
#825
Crossbell said: My gut is telling me that aa-dono might actually be town. :( Yeah.. I am starting to head that direction >_> |
Jun 12, 2016 10:41 PM
#826
Wifi is being wonky. I'll set it straight tomorrow. Rather not phone post for catch-ups. |
"If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
Jun 12, 2016 10:42 PM
#827
SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: 2. @Togs 3. @Jackrito 4. @Bee-Boy 5. @SightlessReality 8. @followind 11. @bioshade2 13. @Shuuka Peekaboo you people gonna provide any input? Jack's sleeping :S Ik that lol but doesn't hurt to poke him :P |
Jun 12, 2016 10:43 PM
#828
SoulEaterQUEEN said: You raise good points on Bee-Boy and I do agree that he can possibly be pretty good as scum - ie, I don't have a scum range for him. I like your thoughts but I still don't exactly understand the strong town read on Bee-Boy. His early game was not a bad contribution but I feel like he has been cruising through from middle-late phase, and stuck with his Jack vote even though it did not really go anywhere by that time. I will clarify to anyone before asking me, I do not commit to a scum read on Bee-Boy, but his play later in the phase has produced a weary gut feeling. Though one thing concerns me here, and perhaps to you as well, is that neither of us are familiar with his scum game, and I am willing to bet that he's not a pushover when he plays scum, so let's keep that in mind as the game progresses. My question is, would be stay on Jackrito if he was scum? Like I think he was going against thread consensus when he stuck to the scumread on Jackrito. It feels like an odd move if he is actually scum. |
Jun 12, 2016 10:45 PM
#829
Crossbell said: @aa-dono: Who do you want to lynch, and why? Same question I asked Soren - you have a triple barreled gun, and you need to shoot a scum or lose. Who do you shoot? Ari or followind |
Jun 12, 2016 10:45 PM
#830
Unvote vote Soren I hope this leads me in the right direction. I will feel very bad if we nominated two townies. |
Jun 12, 2016 10:50 PM
#831
Not asking for Soren's? I'm still catching up. We'll see |
Jun 12, 2016 10:51 PM
#832
I am slightly less inclined to ask you to claim at this juncture, since I think you might just be town. |
Jun 12, 2016 10:51 PM
#833
Crossbell said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: You raise good points on Bee-Boy and I do agree that he can possibly be pretty good as scum - ie, I don't have a scum range for him. I like your thoughts but I still don't exactly understand the strong town read on Bee-Boy. His early game was not a bad contribution but I feel like he has been cruising through from middle-late phase, and stuck with his Jack vote even though it did not really go anywhere by that time. I will clarify to anyone before asking me, I do not commit to a scum read on Bee-Boy, but his play later in the phase has produced a weary gut feeling. Though one thing concerns me here, and perhaps to you as well, is that neither of us are familiar with his scum game, and I am willing to bet that he's not a pushover when he plays scum, so let's keep that in mind as the game progresses. My question is, would be stay on Jackrito if he was scum? Like I think he was going against thread consensus when he stuck to the scumread on Jackrito. It feels like an odd move if he is actually scum. Honestly depends on the angle you play it. I seen scum commit to a vote when they see their reasoning behind it good enough, it is not easy to fabricate a reasoning everytime you switch a vote on someone new. Also switching your votes around can gain attention since it shows you don't want to commit to anything. Though his vote on Jack did gain some attention which did not seem to bother him a whole bit which tells me he was feeling calm about it. I also think he did make comment that he may need to re-evaluate his wanting to lynch Jack since many disagreed with it and just left it at that. But what really bothered me though is the fact he did have much interest to look beyond Jack so far. But at least in this phase type it will force player's to look in other places. I definitely need to do a re-read before I start pointing fingers though, so take my points with a grain of salt. |
Jun 12, 2016 10:53 PM
#834
I realize I am posting way too much. >.< |
Jun 12, 2016 10:55 PM
#835
Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: 641 He bring's up people are lacking evidence atleast to jack which mean's his read on soren isn't strong enough to hold any weight, plus soren's confidence give's off a town vibe but i mean this could just be scum soren trying to make both mine and jack's logic seem flawed to shift pressure onto dono. Only reason im still wary of soren is because he's been acting weird plus his alignment is hard to pinpoint. That's just a wild theory (see bold) given he has made no mention of dono onto that post so I fail to see the pressure intention there. Are you committing to a slight town read on Soren, or to a neutral read on him? I'm a bit confused. Not comminting to a single read on him till i hear dono's side. Shrug i'm terrible with my phrasing and examples. I mainlu meant that it could be possible with the way that he's pointing out our logic's flaw that he's trying to get people to look away from him onto someone else because who will believe people who have flawed logic and can't even provide facts. Why does your read on Soren have any affect what dono has to say? why are they not independent on each other? You are really jumping to conclusions that Soren has immunity to being lynched here. Sorry to say but I don't think making holes in arguments is going to be the deciding factor. In this case, I only seen him defending himself nicely, not really scum hunting. I have a read on soren for now atleast we still have quite a a while before phase change not sure why i need to reveal that read right at this moment. Hmm? How am i implying soren has immunity? I assumed from your "flawed logic" and "facts" that anyone would have to be a mad-man to vote out the one who points out the flawed logic and absence of facts. Lynch immunity was too strong of a word to use for this type of statement, how about less likely lynch option then, hmm? Can't really answer that because not sure who i rather lynch more till i here dono defense and lmao why would that make them a mad man im confused? What kind of defense do you want from me? I am posting as I read. Why do you keep on saying you want to hear my defense but never actually ask me anything? |
Jun 12, 2016 10:56 PM
#836
Anyway, I will leave it at that for now. I'm sorry @aa-dono if you have questions you want me to answer it will have to be when I wake up. But before I go, can I request another new reads list of sorts based on your new questions/what had happened at the end of the day phase you missed out on? |
Jun 12, 2016 11:01 PM
#837
SoulEaterQUEEN said: aa-dono said: Crossbell said: I may not be here for the final 30 minutes of the Day - just a heads up, which is why I want it to be as unchaotic as possible. Any last minute vote changes to disrupt the Twilight phase of the game will be treated as a scum claim. I feel like it is important to emphasize this. Why do you have to emphasize that and limit others' option? Shouldn't you want more reads? That's just like asking for everyone to only look at me and Soren. What's the issue with controlled voting in the last 30 minutes? What happens if no one got lynched because of a 3 way tie produced because no one planned accordingly? But there's few times when last minute voting does catch scum because they get excited when they're not being lynched and tend to slip even more. Sure there are risks of ties, but I don't see the need to strictly control it. He could have said keep in mind or try not to disrupt it, but why the necessity to emphasize on it? |
Jun 12, 2016 11:04 PM
#838
Hi everyone I will catch up in the morning but I am not really a fan of making catch up posts. I am more of a fan of reading other people's catch up posts. I find it incredibly funny that I am the one that is dragging down the pace of the game when usually I am the one that drags down everyone's ability to keep up with it :P |
Jun 12, 2016 11:06 PM
#839
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=65649&user_select[]=24488 Here is one of my recent scum games where my play didn't consist of bad gambits. (normally what my scum game consists of honestly since I enjoy town a lot more) But that game was most multiball and I was a replacement so I dodged all of day 1. |
Jun 12, 2016 11:08 PM
#840
You have to copy the entire link cause for some reason it didn't work. |
Jun 12, 2016 11:09 PM
#841
SoulEaterQUEEN said: aa-dono said: LucianRoy said: Page 9 Blah blah, beeboy still reads Jack as scum, blah blah Dono seems to have gotten kicked into gear from all the votes she's garnered, but a lot of her questions feel too general. She drops some self meta in 435 about her being an observer, and from what I remember, I agree with it, but I don't see any conclusions with the analysis she says she's formulating by asking all of them. There's just a bunch of questions that I don't see going anywhere. I don't like Dono's defense from Ari claiming that her vote was random. I thought the vote was a decent attempt to push a player who's insight she found odd. It does seem somewhat omgus-ish to me, although Dono being upset at the lack of textual evidence coming from Ari is fair. Crossbell backed the vote as well, and Cross is probably one of my largest TRs right now just from their approach to the game as a whole. I think I explained this in a bit of my earlier catch-up post as well. Followind's entrance to the game struck me in a nullish to town fashion, but it really disappoints me that he didn't vote after his read-though. I'm curious to see who he votes now that twilight has rolled around. I hope he doesn't keep up his passiveness he claimed towards the end of his post in the form of not-voting, because that's just straight fence-sitting. Well, I don't like Ari's vote on me. True. But if anything, I'm more upset if I can't defend myself well. Although I don't agree with it, I like Crossbell vote on me. At least he's trying to read me. Now that you brought that up, I'm also curious on who @followind would vote Can you explain to me why you don't like Ari's vote on you again? aa-dono said: Was about to vote lynch Shinichi-kun because of the contradiction vibe he gives me but going through posts again and I can't ignore this: aa-dono said: Arrisu said: Crossbell said: I wouldn't say that aa-dono did "zero scum hunting", but instead she fell into the trap that made _Claire_ the Day 1 lynch in Shounen Crossover - all of her questions didn't lead anywhere. She was asking questions for the sake of asking them instead of finding scum. I think it's likely with aa-dono as well, though I /am/ interested in the Jackrito wagon getting a fifth vote. Basically what I think in a nutshell. Thanks for wording it better then I could. I'm kind of half asleep right now. :') Also that choo choo on Jack is hmmm Aren't "information & thoughts on the game mostly classified"? Are you just using others for your reasonings? Edit: The " " Vote Arrisu I feel like she's putting in a random vote, for the sake of voting. But since we're out of that phase, she comes out with "I'll give reasons later" and then just agreeing with what others pointed at. Though I noticed how she immediately tried to break down the idea of using the Twilight phase to town's advantage right away. That wasn't what I was implying and if she did get scumreads from me by that post, she would read and check again but instead she used the fact that I did discuss about that to strengthen her vote. aa-dono said: Jackrito said: aa-dono said: Was about to vote lynch Shinichi-kun because of the contradiction vibe he gives me but going through posts again and I can't ignore this: aa-dono said: Arrisu said: Crossbell said: I wouldn't say that aa-dono did "zero scum hunting", but instead she fell into the trap that made _Claire_ the Day 1 lynch in Shounen Crossover - all of her questions didn't lead anywhere. She was asking questions for the sake of asking them instead of finding scum. I think it's likely with aa-dono as well, though I /am/ interested in the Jackrito wagon getting a fifth vote. Basically what I think in a nutshell. Thanks for wording it better then I could. I'm kind of half asleep right now. :') Also that choo choo on Jack is hmmm Aren't "information & thoughts on the game mostly classified"? Are you just using others for your reasonings? Edit: The " " Vote Arrisu I feel like she's putting in a random vote, for the sake of voting. But since we're out of that phase, she comes out with "I'll give reasons later" and then just agreeing with what others pointed at. Though I noticed how she immediately tried to break down the idea of using the Twilight phase to town's advantage right away. That wasn't what I was implying and if she did get scumreads from me by that post, she would read and check again but instead she used the fact that I did discuss about that to strengthen her vote. I don't feel the vote was that random since others have agreed with it, they is merit to the reasons which were your lack of scumhunting. You also don't have to share all your reasons when you vote someone sometimes it is best to keep things hidden a person will panic more if they think they slipped and so are more likely to do more. Not everything should be out in the open so early. I see what you mean about not putting everything out so early. I didn't vote for her immediately when I thought that. It's just after a while it wouldn't get away from my thoughts. And Ari did say she doesn't want to reveal the reasons and yet when others give their reasons, she went on saying she thought the same the same the same. Idk, it just doesn't sit well with me. aa-dono said: On Ari. I know she puts pressure. I voted her because I feel that it was actually a random kind of pressure. But when Crossbell and Togs steps in, she went on agreeing with what they said. It's not the fact that she agrees, it's that she seems to agree with everything, saying she thought the same, but when she was asked much earlier on why she thinks I'm scum, she said it was guts and wouldn't want to reveal it. |
Jun 12, 2016 11:14 PM
#842
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=65515&user_select[]=24488 This is an incredibly weak scum game as I consider the first one I linked one the stronger ones. Because you are all talking about how you don't know my scum game. I think this will give you an idea even if you don't understand the context behind the quote. >_> i swear I will read the thread later. |
Jun 12, 2016 11:17 PM
#843
It's a bit tough since all I see from your scum game (w/r/t both games) are a bunch of one liners.. which is similar to this game/the other town game you played. You replace out of a lot of scumgames though, apparently. |
Jun 12, 2016 11:20 PM
#844
I literally don't have completed scum games in the past few months as I have replaced out of those 2 which where my last 2 and I got incredibly sick and had to replace out of both of those games at the same time :P |
Jun 12, 2016 11:20 PM
#845
Not much I can do about your meta problems with me honestly .-. |
Jun 12, 2016 11:20 PM
#846
SoulEaterQUEEN said: Anyway, I will leave it at that for now. I'm sorry @aa-dono if you have questions you want me to answer it will have to be when I wake up. But before I go, can I request another new reads list of sorts based on your new questions/what had happened at the end of the day phase you missed out on? I'm tempted to ask you this: Crossbell said: Who do you want to lynch, and why? - you have a triple barreled gun, and you need to shoot a scum or lose. Who do you shoot? I'll post it sometime today. The read list. Need to finish my assignments first. Since right now, it's most everyone's bedtime, I'm gonna use this silent time to study ^^ |
Jun 12, 2016 11:34 PM
#847
Shuuka said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: @Arrisu Shinichi-Kun said: Can we go back to worrying about soren and dono lol cause they are the targets not me and ari. I don't like this post I feel as though scum hunting everyone is fine. Crossbell said: Soren said: This kind of makes me feel vaguely town on Soren, but has he actually delivered?I'll show you what town Soren is made of in twilight phase. bioshade said: I'm not going to scumread you for your reads, but you do realize that all of these don't really have any conviction behind them and are all just mostly thread consensus? We need some original thoughts.Jackrito/SoulEaterQUEEN: Their back and forth seemed quite genuine as well as hard to script for 2scum so getting g townish feeling from them. Shinichi: While earlier I was getting a friendly vibe, the many posts repeating that he always defends everyone makes me a little suspicious that they might be doing it to take suspicion off of defending a scum if he is one, but he seemed genuinely confused people keep scumcalling hi so I'm still feeling kind of towny for him. ari/Crossbell: while I was quite leary of the at first, rereading everything, I have a hard time seeing someone who posts so much as scum as there would be a greater chance to make a slip up. so it feels townish as well. Bee-boy said: Why would you say this if you were under zero lynch/vote pressure on Day 1?Oh sweet I am safe from being lynched time to lurk. I'm asking this because - this isn't an organic thought, but it still feels like a lack of self-awareness coming from you. I see Soren defending his hardest but not actually scumhunting. @Soren: You have a triple barreled gun. You need to shoot at least one scum, or else the game ends right there and town loses. Which three people do you shoot? Shuuka said: This is not an acceptable second post of the game at this stage.woah woah woah Umm I was mainly joking I wasn't really thinking about the game state honestly. I can't remember the reasons why you wanted to send Soren and dono in particular into the twilight phase. How come it wasn't Kaito/dono, again? ^ ^ |
Jun 12, 2016 11:37 PM
#849
[quote=Shuuka message=46450254] SoulEaterQUEEN said: @Arrisu Shinichi-Kun said: Can we go back to worrying about soren and dono lol cause they are the targets not me and ari. I don't like this post I feel as though scum hunting everyone is fine. |
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