Leon-Gun said: Fletchaaa said: No, people associate it to Key because Visual Arts officially adopted it as one of their projects (well, more as a collaboration between Visual Arts, Aniplex and ASCII Media Works). The story was written by Jun Maeda and all the character designs are made by Na-Ga which essentially makes the core of the project to be designed solely by Key staff. It's not like Maeda went on his merry way and did it on his own. Aniplex approached them, and while obviouly it's not made under the Key brand since it's not a VN, it's still considered to be part of Visual Arts' repertoire.mitch3315 said: Fletchaaa said: Angel Beats is technically not a Key anime, it was by Jun Maeda alone (although obviously he was the major influence on the other 3). And yeah, I know Toei did other adaptions. But most people never even bother to see them (especially the older Kanon). The Air film was probably the only good one by Toei. But not many cared about those adaptions because we had the adaptions by KyoAni too. Also P.A. Works kept a really high quality (like they do in all of their works) so there wasn't as much backlash, plus like I said there is no visual novel or work at all to compare it to so it would be silly to say it didn't look good enough. Anyways its kind of irrelevant because like I said, its not a work by Key. Character designs by Na-Ga = Key. So, that means Rewrite (the newest game by the company Key) isn't a work by Key? Na-Ga didn't do the character designs for that one, so by your definitions it doesn't count? No, that would be stupid. Angel Beats isn't a work by Key because it wasn't based on any work by Key, that is easy enough to figure out. People just associate it with Key works (and seem to think it is) because Jun Maeda wrote it. But since it had no original story by Key (Jun Maeda doesn't do all the work), it is not by Key. Then again, I'm sure you'll just consider it a Visual Arts/Key project if it ends up having the proposed Visual Novel. It doesn't matter if some people from Key were involved, TECHNICALLY it is not a Key work. And there is a huge staff list, while Jun Maeda and Na-Ga did their respective parts its not like no one else had any say. I mean for example (idk if this is true), apparently the story for Angel Beats was written to be 50 episodes at first but was later shortened down due to restraints by the producers. Also Jun Maeda didn't direct the work either, which is a pretty major role. And the guy who did (Seiji Kishi) has nothing to do with Key. Also about them making it a Visual Novel, then it would just be a Key adaption of the anime. Still doesn't make the anime a Key work. |
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Fletchaaa said: It would be a Key adaptation of the story Jun Maeda wrote. It's a Cross media project. Everything is based around the original script. It's not like a VN would be based on the anime. One of the manga and the Light novels were released BEFORE the anime, and the other manga was released in tandem with the anime. So, calling a VN based on Angel Beats! an "adaptation of the nime" would be pretty stupid when there was several material all released at the same time and all based on the same original script.Also about them making it a Visual Novel, then it would just be a Key adaption of the anime. Still doesn't make the anime a Key work. But I'll stop this pointless discussion here. |
Leon-GunSep 29, 2012 1:03 PM
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Leon-Gun said: Fletchaaa said: It would be a Key adaptation of the story Jun Maeda wrote. It's a Cross media project. Everything is based around the original script. It's not like a VN would be based on the anime. One of the manga and the Light novels were released BEFORE the anime, and the other manga was released in tandem with the anime. So, calling a VN based on Angel Beats! an "adaptation of the nime" would be pretty stupid when there was several material all released at the same time and all based on the same original script.Also about them making it a Visual Novel, then it would just be a Key adaption of the anime. Still doesn't make the anime a Key work. Well I am glad you admitted it was an adaption of the story Jun Maeda wrote, and not a Key story. That was all I wanted. |
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| I don't care about the animation as long as the story is good. Personally can't wait for this anime. Just started watching Clannad, and I find it amazing; so I have very high hopes for this one! |
| The art ain't that bad, anyway. And like the person above me said, if there is a good story, there is no problem. And they should release more scans with the other characters as well, such as Yuiko... |
| The animation looks better here than it has in other videos. I'm calling it - I think this will be a good anime. Maybe not as good as Clannad or anything, but it should be alright. It'll be a masterpiece for a company like JC Staff.... |
| ^^ I read somewhere that it was planned to be longer (talking about Angel Beats), and when it hit episode 8, Jun was told that budget decreased and it is going to be 13 episodes long. That's why drastic change in quality is noticeable as everything he planned he had to rush into remaining few episodes. |
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| About the Angel Beats! stuff... Why I have the feeling that the anime would be worst with more episodes? I'm not denying that things went rushed in the last episodes, but Angel Beats with 50+ episodes would be waaaaay dragged. The series was meant to have a most dinamic flow, different from Clannad slow-pacing, for example. That's why many episodes that focused on an entire character story (Iwasawa and Yui, for example) worked so well. It's just my impression though. ClannadIsLove said: The animation looks better here than it has in other videos. I'm calling it - I think this will be a good anime. Maybe not as good as Clannad or anything, but it should be alright. It'll be a masterpiece for a company like JC Staff.... True. But that's a risky bet: if Little Busters! be sucessful, it'll be the greatest JC work; but then, if it fails... I'm sure they'll be blamed forever for it, even in an exaggerated way (after all, the team they designed for this adaptation is far for their best guys). Well, I'm really hoping everything will be alright. |
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Mary_Vanucchi said: About the Angel Beats! stuff... Why I have the feeling that the anime would be worst with more episodes? I'm not denying that things went rushed in the last episodes, but Angel Beats with 50+ episodes would be waaaaay dragged. The series was meant to have a most dinamic flow, different from Clannad slow-pacing, for example. That's why many episodes that focused on an entire character story (Iwasawa and Yui, for example) worked so well. It's just my impression though. I think it would've dragged at 50 episodes too, but if it was just a typical 24~ episode anime, I think that would've been enough time to do everything they wanted, and at least the ending wouldn't have been so rushed. I just remember getting really angry at the end with how rushed it was and how it ended. You are told too much stuff that happened off screen, but then it was decent, and then it decided to try and be sad at the last few minutes, and it was so poorly done, that it made the ending go from the sweet side of bittersweet, all the way to the bitter side. God I hated that ending... |
Random45 said: Mary_Vanucchi said: About the Angel Beats! stuff... Why I have the feeling that the anime would be worst with more episodes? I'm not denying that things went rushed in the last episodes, but Angel Beats with 50+ episodes would be waaaaay dragged. The series was meant to have a most dinamic flow, different from Clannad slow-pacing, for example. That's why many episodes that focused on an entire character story (Iwasawa and Yui, for example) worked so well. It's just my impression though. I think it would've dragged at 50 episodes too, but if it was just a typical 24~ episode anime, I think that would've been enough time to do everything they wanted, and at least the ending wouldn't have been so rushed. I just remember getting really angry at the end with how rushed it was and how it ended. You are told too much stuff that happened off screen, but then it was decent, and then it decided to try and be sad at the last few minutes, and it was so poorly done, that it made the ending go from the sweet side of bittersweet, all the way to the bitter side. God I hated that ending... Honestly AB is the first anime where I hated the ending. The reason is: BECAUSE IT WAS DAMN AWESOME AND IT WAS MASTERPIECE. So if it was that good, why does it bother me? Because whole anime wasn't that sad, except background stories (OH Yuri and Yui T.T ), then everything was rushed and all of a sudden we have that great ending, but since everything was rushed we don't have an idea where it came from. I mean it was a little noticeable that there is something between Kanade and Otonashi, they shared a bond, but we didn't even have a chance to try and guess, we were just given the answer out of nowhere :P Still I loved it XD I like how sad it turned out to be. |
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akutasame94 said: Random45 said: Mary_Vanucchi said: About the Angel Beats! stuff... Why I have the feeling that the anime would be worst with more episodes? I'm not denying that things went rushed in the last episodes, but Angel Beats with 50+ episodes would be waaaaay dragged. The series was meant to have a most dinamic flow, different from Clannad slow-pacing, for example. That's why many episodes that focused on an entire character story (Iwasawa and Yui, for example) worked so well. It's just my impression though. I think it would've dragged at 50 episodes too, but if it was just a typical 24~ episode anime, I think that would've been enough time to do everything they wanted, and at least the ending wouldn't have been so rushed. I just remember getting really angry at the end with how rushed it was and how it ended. You are told too much stuff that happened off screen, but then it was decent, and then it decided to try and be sad at the last few minutes, and it was so poorly done, that it made the ending go from the sweet side of bittersweet, all the way to the bitter side. God I hated that ending... Honestly AB is the first anime where I hated the ending. The reason is: BECAUSE IT WAS DAMN AWESOME AND IT WAS MASTERPIECE. So if it was that good, why does it bother me? Because whole anime wasn't that sad, except background stories (OH Yuri and Yui T.T ), then everything was rushed and all of a sudden we have that great ending, but since everything was rushed we don't have an idea where it came from. I mean it was a little noticeable that there is something between Kanade and Otonashi, they shared a bond, but we didn't even have a chance to try and guess, we were just given the answer out of nowhere :P Still I loved it XD I like how sad it turned out to be. The last episode just did too many things I really disliked. For instance, all of Yuzuru's friends were already gone. We are just told this, there was't a scene of them leaving. What great friends they were if they didn't even wait for him to wake up to say good bye. Yeah, they weren't as close as Hinata and Yuri, but it's still kind of a dick move for them to just freaking leave like that. We are also just told that the guy who became an NPC is all better now, and that he moved on too... Well... I guess that's good to know. Would've been nice to actually see a scene of him reuniting with all of his friends. Then we get to the bit at the end where Kanade wants to leave, but Yuzuru wants her to stay. This scene just pissed me off. They both had ALL THE FREAKING TIME IN THE WORLD, literally, they were already freaking dead. Kanade could have, you know, EXPLAINED THINGS TO HIM. She could have told him that she couldn't love him back without moving on due to that being what she was even there for, or that she really didn't want to stay any longer. Either way, Yuzuru would have to acknowledge that it would be better for them both to move on, even if it would be tough on him at first. Instead she decides to break the poor kids heart. It was such an obvious ploy to get you to feel sad that it instead made me angry, as I mentioned above. It's the equivalent of killing off a beloved character in a game or movie or something just for shock value. I don't feel as strongly about it anymore, but man, at the time that ending made me hate the entire anime for a little while. Sort of like how the god awful ending of Alan Wake made me hate that entire game for a little while. Though I've learned since then - bad endings and anime tend to go hand in hand, so I'm not really upset or disappointed when it happens anymore. |
| Reason why Kanade didn't explain anything was explained in anime. She was afraid, because anyone she gets close to disappears. Probably she had experiences before, it was just never explained. Perhaps it would have been if anime was longer. In the end she did fall in love with him, it was clear in last few episodes that they were getting closer, even since the first episode Otonashi did feel something and felt strange about her. Was it his heart inside her or something else I don't know. Actually to explain everything I'd need to go into deep analysis of the show, and I so don't want to do that. Not that I don't like doing that, I simply just did extremely deep analysis of a poem for my native language class xD At least I'll get an A :P |
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akutasame94 said: In the end she did fall in love with him, it was clear in last few episodes that they were getting closer, even since the first episode Otonashi did feel something and felt strange about her. Was it his heart inside her or something else I don't know. This is because they showed almost no character development between them, that is why the ending part where Otanashi goes kind of berserk is almost laughable. |
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Fletchaaa said: It felt more like the episodes where this was to be shown were cut to save time. The moment she and Otonashi makes peace and the whole clone thing happens they go into the "make them all move on" plan instantly without any sort of in-between episodes to make Otonashi and Kanade's relationship grow. Tha's why Kanade's sudden happy mood in the end came out of nowhere.akutasame94 said: In the end she did fall in love with him, it was clear in last few episodes that they were getting closer, even since the first episode Otonashi did feel something and felt strange about her. Was it his heart inside her or something else I don't know. This is because they showed almost no character development between them, that is why the ending part where Otanashi goes kind of berserk is almost laughable. |
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Leon-Gun said: Fletchaaa said: It felt more like the episodes where this was to be shown were cut to save time. The moment she and Otonashi makes peace and the whole clone thing happens they go into the "make them all move on" plan instantly without any sort of in-between episodes to make Otonashi and Kanade's relationship grow. Tha's why Kanade's sudden happy mood in the end came out of nowhere.akutasame94 said: In the end she did fall in love with him, it was clear in last few episodes that they were getting closer, even since the first episode Otonashi did feel something and felt strange about her. Was it his heart inside her or something else I don't know. This is because they showed almost no character development between them, that is why the ending part where Otanashi goes kind of berserk is almost laughable. Answer to both of you XD Blame those who shortened the show :P I still love the show, and I adore both Yuri and Kanade :D |
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| ^Honestly, if they had showed Kanade's anguish and introspection into her feelings and desires, it would have made the show better. The short moments they did show some of her feelings you knew there was something but the fact it never went into detail until that last episode hurts the ending. But yeah, we can only blame P.A. Works and Aniplex for not pushing for that 2 cour season. |
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| We can only hope that the VN adaptation that was mentioned actually gets made sooner or later. |
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| I want to like this, but it looks quite bad. Will have to see how the first few eps go. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
mitch3315 said: We can only hope that the VN adaptation that was mentioned actually gets made sooner or later. Can't wait. Only one problem... Will I learn Japanese until then xD |
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