| For what purpose to do u live life, for the cheap thrills it has to offer or is it to become successful in a field of ur choice what purpose do u want to serve in the short 70-80 years or so u have? Why do you wake up everyday and how do u wake up everyday if you dont have a purpose or do you live just to survive each day ? whats the point? |
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| Because i have a dream to accomplish. i give my life a meaning and i will live for it. death is a mere obstacle for my goals i'll much bigger than that. |
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| the first two replies are so contradictory which shows how the world has such a large spectrum of difference in the quality of life, theres one person who has basically given up on my life shintai88 said: I live awaiting and end to my life. at the same time theres another person who has been well endowed Lilah said: To enjoy it :) I'm alive already, so why not? I live in an extremely fortunate part of the world, with loving parents and friends. I'm being educated, fed, and hydrated. Plus there's anime! Why not live? :D Also, I'm going to be a doctor. Not that I'd kill myself if I failed, but that's what I want to do with my life. So it's a fairly important factor :) OH the irony |
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| For my loved ones, dreams that I have, experiences that I have yet to reach, etc. Particularly for a certain someone mostly, though. |
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| I live because religion is scary as hell. |
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| Because if I wasn't alive, I'd be dead. Even if your life sucks, at least it's something. |
| Because life is pretty awesome, including the shitty parts. |
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| I live because I'm too awesome to die. |
| a quote from the ever awesome movie gummo: "Life is beautiful. Really, it is. Full of beauty and illusions. Life is great. Without it, you'd be dead." |
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soulflash77 said: For what purpose to do u live life, for the cheap thrills it has to offer or is it to become successful in a field of ur choice what purpose do u want to serve in the short 70-80 years or so u have? Why do you wake up everyday and how do u wake up everyday if you dont have a purpose or do you live just to survive each day ? whats the point? Are you suggesting that simply enjoying life is cheap? Anyway, as i see it. firstly i live because i don't know how to not live. My whole existence is based on the fact that i live so how can i not live? I wake up every morning because that's my biology. No i have no purpose what so ever. Considering we live very little and die what great purpose am i suppose to have? We live in a universe of billion of years that may go forever, whatever purpose i find is meaningless since it will disappear as easy as my existence will. Death motivates some people and demotivates others. Unfortunately for me am the second. I find my existence meaningless. For me an existence that will disappear as it never existed had no reason to exist in the first place. I don't live only for survival and i guess am lucky i have that luxury, others don't. I live and survive to experience and enjoy staff(for example anime is one of them). |
AnnoKano said: read it already, ive also read many textbooks regarding different theories regarding life and why it is lived, on top of that in my International Baccalaureate english 11 class we discussed Defeatist philosophy and that through defeatist logic life has no purposesoulflash77 said: For what purpose to do u live life, for the cheap thrills it has to offer or is it to become successful in a field of ur choice what purpose do u want to serve in the short 70-80 years or so u have? Why do you wake up everyday and how do u wake up everyday if you dont have a purpose or do you live just to survive each day ? whats the point? Oh, the joys of being a teenager. Go read 'The Catcher in the Rye' by JD Salinger. |
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| This post was created for discussion purposes not because im some "emo bastard" lol you grasp the reality of life quite well by recognizing how we actually came to be and that life isnt a fairy tale and for many people your lives were created for your parents selfish purposes like financial security when they get older and loads of other things kaura117 said: soulflash77 said: For what purpose to do u live life, for the cheap thrills it has to offer or is it to become successful in a field of ur choice what purpose do u want to serve in the short 70-80 years or so u have? Why do you wake up everyday and how do u wake up everyday if you dont have a purpose or do you live just to survive each day ? whats the point? Because I'm not some emo bastard that thinks he's entitled by the universe to have a reason to live. Nobody is. The whole point is that we're the randomly generated genetic outcome of our parents' lusts, and therefore innately deserve nothing from the universe. Does that scare you? Does that bleak emptiness frighten you? Well, aren't you a bit blind. Don't you realize that, by not giving us a role to play, the universe's made us free to make our own reasons and purpose? |
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| I love every one of these threads turn into a "you need help" thread. To answer your question seriously, my reason is what you call the "cheep thrills." I live to play video games, watch anime, hang out with friends... to eat, drink, and be merry. What better reason is there? Once you're dead, you lose everything. You can argue about your legacy, but guess what, you don't get to experience that, so what good is it? As far as you're concerned, once you're dead, everything is gone. Everything you may have worked for, everything you may have cared about, gone. So enjoy it while it lasts. ... Did I just partake in the stalest and most overdone type of thread in the universe? Yes, yes I did. I must just be that bored. |
| I'm alive because I was born. |
soulflash77 said: For what purpose to do u live life, for the cheap thrills it has to offer or is it to become successful in a field of ur choice what purpose do u want to serve in the short 70-80 years or so u have? Why do you wake up everyday and how do u wake up everyday if you dont have a purpose or do you live just to survive each day ? whats the point? -currently, my purpose is still selfishly for myself. -I wake up everyday because I am alive. I am still good at breathing so I guess I will continue to wake up. -I don't think that far ahead, 70-80 years. |
| I'm in a bit of an existential crisis at the moment, dealing with anhedonic depression, and still in a life situation I'd rather be out of, so while I'm not pleased with my answer, I might have an excuse to say I'm living a rather purposeless life at the moment. As for the present, I really don't know why I still live. I don't really have any ambition or anything to live for. I'm convinced I can't really end my life or anything, so yeah. My answer's probably rather bleak. AnnoKano said: "The mark of the immature man is that he wants to die nobly for a cause while the mark of the mature man is that he wants to live humbly for one"Go read 'The Catcher in the Rye' by JD Salinger. I only read the book recently, but I don't think I'll forget that quote anytime soon. |
HaibaneRenmeiFanJul 2, 2011 10:43 PM
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| Right now I would have to say I live for the cheap thrills. I have no big ambition that I need to fulfill, or dream that I need to accomplish. Of course, I have never really thought about dying either. For now I'll just float along, like a seed from a dandelion. |
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| hmm good question I would say....I Live because I just do. No reason really seems like it just happened :p |
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| I live because it's the lesser of two evils. |
H.L. Mencken said: Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. |
| For revolution,for a better world,for equality of all humans that i hero of justice live for |
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| uh not sure if I've posted here already or not...oh well! I realize that I live for the people who care about me, that they would be devastated if I was gone, and I couldn't bear to give them that pain. And I'm also living to accomplish a certain dream...and if I can't achieve it, then I'll keep on living as long as someone cares. yaaay for deep questions :) heehee |
| I live to help this ever growing population to desecrate our planet. |
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Shant said: I'm in a bit of an existential crisis at the moment, dealing with anhedonic depression, and still in a life situation I'd rather be out of, so while I'm not pleased with my answer, I might have an excuse to say I'm living a rather purposeless life at the moment. Are you a mirror? Haha, half-joking. But why would you be not pleased with no answer? If a question is asked, must there be an implication there is an answer? To me, taking that as 'obvious' is careless, and illogical. Surely, I do not claim 'purpose' within the realm of logic, but straying far from logic means it is impossible to think. Shant said: As for the present, I really don't know why I still live. I don't really have any ambition or anything to live for. I'm convinced I can't really end my life or anything, so yeah. Convinced? Or hesistant? If there's nothing pushing you to live, that's one thing, but that does not mean there's something pushing you to death. Shant said: My answer's probably rather bleak. I wonder, have you come across anyone without a bleak answer? Shant said: AnnoKano said: "The mark of the immature man is that he wants to die nobly for a cause while the mark of the mature man is that he wants to live humbly for one"Go read 'The Catcher in the Rye' by JD Salinger. Heroes must be taken as immature, then. Noble heroes, especially. I'm not sure if that's tautology in effect or not, though. I find the topic of mediocrity very relevant to this topic, though. If all non-great people were dead, wouldn't the world be better in every way? It's very Pro Aryan-Hitler style of thinking(way more extreme), but mediocre people who contribute little seem to literally grasp at nothing(or what's simply not there; non-existent) in actually having a purpose. Mediocrity results in answers like 1) I live to live. 2) I live because I can. At least if you were somebody, your answer would be like 1) I live, because there is this goal I can actually realise. This is a fairly pragmatic take on this matter, and usually others have more abstract answers, or 'seek happiness' or 'be successful' which is quite selfish, but seems to be taken as forgivable. As for me, I believe the question "Are you a mirror?" already answers the question. |
ZmffkskemJul 3, 2011 4:10 AM
 「みんながいるからだ。」 － 棗鈴 |
| To see how these pests, Humans, perishes from this planet. Well, or atleast see how far we'll get in next 60+ years, and maybe see a spectacular "Kab00m!". I guess thats all. |
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| Unfortunately, nobody had suicidal tendencies ! I read all comments for nothing :/ LOL I live to get the best things life offers. Money/Children are the paradise of life ! (my religion) I hope I apply my religion fully to get to paradise since life is only a step, Paradise/Hell are the destination ^^ |
| "Il est difficile d'attraper un chat noir dans une pièce sombre, surtout lorsqu'il n'y est pas." |
| Because I'd rather experience something instead of nothing. |
Mr. Wonsworth, you may NOT eat my scones! |
| Because I'm here now, so why not? I don't need to cook up a BS reason to live, life itself is interesting enough to be worth it by itself. |
| I live to answer questions such as this...to justify curiosities of this world full of fools and self-proclaimed geniuses... |
| Well to me, I just live to look forward and prepare myself for death I suppose. Wow that sounded really depressing. I don't really have a purpose to live but more of a way to live my life. Because I'm christian I look forward to the afterlife so basically this life is only the beginning of something much better :) Just my opinion though :D |
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| I'm laughing at the people who don't understand that you can give your life purpose. It doesn't have to come from a higher being or a grand plan. You give yourself purpose. A rock, alone, has no purpose. But when we think about it and think to make use of it, we create a purpose for it. Its purpose is now to hold papers down. When we think about and make use of ourselves, we create purpose. Simple as that. Also laughing at the people who are still typing one liners even though Sohei threatened to issue bans. It's called reading the thread, guys. |
| Cuz I'm alive ?! |
| I dont have a reason to live, nor do I need one. If I can watch anime, eat good food and hang out with my friends, I'm pretty much satisfied. As for the 70-80 years thing, I doubt I'll be around for that long, but isnt the great thing about being old that you dont need to serve a purpose? |
| Simply put, asking "why" to anything concerning the absolutism of existence is as meaningless as having 0 as a denominator in math. Logic is nothing more than one method of making sense of reality, and is inapplicable to explaining the system of existence for various reasons I won't explain here. Human thought cannot give a definitive answer to the question "why we exist." There is no logical answer to "why we exist." You can't ask "why we exist." You can phrase it anyway you want. In my opinion, the question "why I exist" is not something that should be asked to others or answered by others (which is why I hate religion). Existence is not something humane, but human instinct tends to drive you to think that way. Just like I cannot identify whether something other than myself is conscious in the same way as I am, the possibility that anything, whether it's another human or something else abstract, exists in the same reality as I do is basically 0. You can't confide with others for an answer to your own reality. I don't understand why the greater half of philosophy by humans puts so much value on "the human race" as a perspective of existence. As many people have stated, everyone is free to deceive themselves with their own reason for life and purpose, but it will never be true (in the philosophical sense), and should never be enforced upon others. Therefore, if you think that by taking hard philosophy courses and reading difficult texts about other people's lives, you're getting closer to some definitive answer, then allow me to tell you, you remain no different (again, in terms of philosophy) from where you started, no different from a baby who doesn't even know what philosophy means, or a tree that doesn't seem to express rational thought, or even a molecule of air, which all are as entitled to have a perspective of existence as any human. Also, it wouldn't matter whether history existed or not either. Your parents only are a reason of why you were born, not why you exist. Existence could've started just now for all I know. Memories are worthless when talking about truth value under the idea of existence, let alone things that supposedly happened before my oldest memory. To sum up, you shouldn't base your answer on others, meaning this thread is pointless in terms of answering the ultimate question. PS: For any pure philosopher unhindered by the cognitive filters of animal nature, death is infinitely more interesting than anything life has to offer. |
ap19Jul 3, 2011 9:05 AM
| http://www.nicovideo.jp/user/5040721 I'm Japanese, so if you have any questions regarding Japan, feel free to ask. アメリカ育ちなので、なんか英語に関して質問があれば気軽にどうぞ。  |
ap19 said: Simply put, asking "why" to anything concerning the absolutism of existence is as meaningless as having 0 as a denominator in math. Logic is nothing more than one method of making sense of reality, and is inapplicable to explaining the system of existence for various reasons I won't explain here. Human thought cannot give a definitive answer to the question "why we exist." There is no logical answer to "why we exist." You can't ask "why we exist." You can phrase it anyway you want. You make a convincing argument. I'd go about it, without the mathematics analogy, through a Nihilistic argument. ap19 said: In my opinion, the question "why I exist" is not something that should be asked to others or answered by others (which is why I hate religion). Existence is not something humane, but human instinct tends to drive you to think that way. Just like I cannot identify whether something other than myself is conscious in the same way as I am, the possibility that anything, whether it's another human or something else abstract, exists in the same reality as I do is basically 0. You can't confide with others for an answer to your own reality. I don't understand why the greater half of philosophy by humans puts so much value on "the human race" as a perspective of existence. As many people have stated, everyone is free to deceive themselves with their own reason for life and purpose, but it will never be true (in the philosophical sense), and should never be enforced upon others. This is what I think is extremely well worded. Personally, I do believe philosophy is a self-discovery thing. It's not really about an individual right, but that such a question requires one's belief, and not anyone else's answer. ap19 said: Therefore, if you think that by taking hard philosophy courses and reading difficult texts about other people's lives, you're getting closer to some definitive answer, then allow me to tell you, you remain no different (again, in terms of philosophy) from where you started, no different from a baby who doesn't even know what philosophy means, or a tree that doesn't seem to express rational thought, or even a molecule of air, which all are as entitled to have a perspective of existence as any human. Yes, but actually, hard philosophy courses are the fastest way you can communicate your own philosophy to others(if you wish to.) That's why people talk of Descartes. It's convenient of portraying his idea, and if you agree or disagree (and why so.) I'd avoid a long debate of existence and purpose here, but anyway, I think existence is relevant enough to living, though one is clearly more abstract, though both are linked. The problem with existence is that there is no scientific method, which is currently(and I think will be) the most trusted method, for it. Science can be different in every universe or reality, but the most usual way is to measure, observe, and see what happens from any perturbation introduced.(or not introduced, i.e. they existed, and you're just watching) Unfortunately, this problem plagues cosmology and all talk of existence. One cannot comment on one's own existence in the most abstract, objective ways possible. Existence and reality is a question of one's own beliefs, and only belief can answer it. Popularly, one way to classify belief is whether reality itself is what I would call subjective or objective[Just my names, I do not find that many names...] , and clearly, existence has relation to living. The way I interpret subjective reality is basically, making things as they are. A perturbation is an act of creation and causation of reality. So why you live/exist? Because your particles dictate so(through their interactions/random possible choices), and create/cause a new realm of reality per tick of any smallest physical time possible. (I would compare to 夏のあらし！ and 涼宮ハルヒ. Reality is plainly created.) Objective reality's answer is such that, things are already as they are. You live, because your particles are arranged in such a way that somehow, you get a state of consciousness. Reality is not created: it pre-existed before you. That's pretty much all the existential part I want to discuss. Personally, it's objective(MWI-ish) for me. I found the former too egoistical. Oh, and I am actively involved in reading this, because Quantum Theory, with the gift that is Schroedinger's Cat, connected Physics with Metaphysics irrevocably. In all actuality, I have darted away from the question of "Why?" but I find the question of "Do I exist?" related. "Why?" would be highly subjective, and I think would greatly depend on your answer to "Do ...?" anyway. Next, for living, it would get even more subjective. Living assumes a conscious mind, and practically all discussions I know of assume free will. (That is, a being is able to make choices, which are his own.) Why would I want to wake up every single day? Well, watching enough ARIA the ___ convinces me that life is wonderful. I also have my hopes and dreams. I have my own passions. This motivation differs hugely from individual to individual. Generally speaking, there is usually someone or something(an idea, a dream, an ideal, etc...) that acts as a basis. They can be "Making the world a better place" or "Doing X" or "Acquire joy and share it with others." (I applied a full-positive filter, because there's enough negativity in the world.) It could also simply because nothing strong enough is driving a person to death. Generally speaking, people have human instincts(or other things) that kick in. These have to be overridden before suicide can be possible. As obvious and overemphasised as it is above, the answer is different for every person or sentient being. EDIT: ap19 said: PS: For any pure philosopher unhindered by the cognitive filters of animal nature, death is infinitely more interesting than anything life has to offer. Oh, do explain? I find the fact that certain particle arrangements is able to form a 'brain' which insofar as observed has been able to 'think' and, obviously, 'make choices.' Such an observation has also been taken as the basis of one's(particularly the conscience's) own existence by certain people in philosophy. By extension, because 'death' is basically the end of this 'thinking,' it is interesting, yes. But death has always been mysterious, and while we are limited in our abilities to even talk of life, we are helpless in talking of death except in the most extreme abstractness. |
ZmffkskemJul 3, 2011 9:43 AM
「みんながいるからだ。」 － 棗鈴 |
Zmffkskem said: Are you a mirror? Haha, half-joking. But why would you be not pleased with no answer? If a question is asked, must there be an implication there is an answer? To me, taking that as 'obvious' is careless, and illogical. Surely, I do not claim 'purpose' within the realm of logic, but straying far from logic means it is impossible to think. I'm not pleased with no answer. What I was insinuating is that I didn't have a reason to live, and I'm not happy with living, so dying sounds like a more pleasing alternative. If there wasn't something making life so undesirable, I'd live just because it's a natural state; and "Why not?". I'm basically purely neutral in life - there are tons of questions where I don't have answers to, and I'm fine with that. I like my neutral viewpoint, even though it isolates me from most other people, who are so heavy on one side or the other. However, in terms of a reason to live, I would much prefer an ambition, something to live for, something I can use as an excuse to live. Besides just "because I can". I feel bad if I'm living without anything to contribute to others - I have quite a few unresolved issues. Zmffkskem said: It's just that attempting suicide will likely fail and cause even more strain on my already strained relationship with my parents; and all my progress with convincing them that I'm not depressed (as them knowing makes things worse) will go all to waste. Besides, I guess I'm too optimistic that the future will be better, so I'm not rushing to end things. That said, if there was a way to die without hindering anyones' lives, it's something I'd consider.Convinced? Or hesistant? If there's nothing pushing you to live, that's one thing, but that does not mean there's something pushing you to death. Zmffkskem said: I suppose it's rare.I wonder, have you come across anyone without a bleak answer? Zmffkskem said: I didn't get the "Are you a mirror?" question. :[Heroes must be taken as immature, then. Noble heroes, especially. I'm not sure if that's tautology in effect or not, though. I find the topic of mediocrity very relevant to this topic, though. If all non-great people were dead, wouldn't the world be better in every way? It's very Pro Aryan-Hitler style of thinking(way more extreme), but mediocre people who contribute little seem to literally grasp at nothing(or what's simply not there; non-existent) in actually having a purpose. Mediocrity results in answers like 1) I live to live. 2) I live because I can. At least if you were somebody, your answer would be like 1) I live, because there is this goal I can actually realise. This is a fairly pragmatic take on this matter, and usually others have more abstract answers, or 'seek happiness' or 'be successful' which is quite selfish, but seems to be taken as forgivable. As for me, I believe the question "Are you a mirror?" already answers the question. But good point with the mediocrity topic, that's something to think about. People might prefer to have something to contribute to others or society, rather than just to 'seek happiness' or 'be successful' because those are more selfish. Same for me, I simply feel undeserving of living in a seemingly selfish manner, so I feel I should contribute to others, rather than feeling like a hindrance all the time. |
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| Cuz i can...... Honestly no one really should worry about their purpose in life |
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