| Looks like the recent episodes are pretty straight forward. Plot twist episode 6? Perhaps someone dies every three episodes. |
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| Witch of scribbles? My body is ready. |
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| @endtime Did he really say that? SOUNDS LIKE EPISODE 6 WILL BE BIG. |
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| CLIFFHANGERS (ﾉ´Д`)ﾉ ~┻━┻ |
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| Kyoko freaking out was cute. THOSE FANGS. |
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| So hold on Was that Mami's voice in the PV? God damn I hate this waiting. |
| I always thought Kyubey was suspicous but I always that it would turn out that it was just nothing and actually it was harmless. Now it turns out Kyubey really is evil. Now just to wait for him to change into a giant, expressionless monster form them all to fight. |
| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBYbBrnexOQ This just in; QB is even more creepy. |
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| QB isn't creepy there, he's just doin' what feels good man. |
endtime said: Thillygooth said: So hold on Was that Mami's voice in the PV? God damn I hate this waiting. No, that was Kyuubey and Hitomi. Ah okay, for some reason I heard qb and Mami. Guess I forgot Hitomi existed. Also, lol@QB "storing" (eating) grief seeds. It's like the whole plot is so he can eat little girls, but he doesn't like sweet food. Gotta wait and season them. |
| Kyuubey is definitely the bad guy. He's creepy little fuck. |
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Thillygooth said: QB isn't creepy there, he's just doin' what feels good man. Well I guess I can't fault him for wanting to touch Madoka's DFC. |
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| I've been puzzling as to why a mahou shoujo's choice is permanent, as in why do they have to keep fighting. It's been clearly stated that to die would result in their wish becoming toast, and there has been lot of talk of the contracts in ominous tones, including that once one becomes a MS they have to keep fighting for the rest of life. But I myself haven't noticed (and the main wiki maintained by /a/ has no mention either) them touch on specifically why a MS couldn't just stop getting into fights with witches/familiars, as long as her soul gem was reasonably bright at the time. Presumably there must be a mechanism which either would make this a very bad move, or in fact prevent them choosing such an action. But so far this seems to have been omitted. (Or have I missed something?) I've basically come up with 4 possible theories. (They aren't mutually exclusive.) - 1) "Non-payment" The MS fighting the witches acts like a contract fee, and to stop 'paying' would be considered a breach of the contract equal to having dies on the job. This would logically involve an arbiter (Kyuubey?) to deem when a MS wasn't pulling her weight, and maybe, warn them when they were getting close to breaching. (How much patrolling/fighting counts? Is once a week enough to scrape through? Can they take holidays after a good run of service?) And while it hasn't been stated, I'm erring that a 'cancelling of the contract for breach' wouldn't simply involve loss of magical powers and a 'gentle' undoing of the wish. That seems too, …easy, for this world. Death must logically play a part. Maybe the 'MS-ification' is irreversable, so your powers could only be revoked by destruction (or repossesion???) of the soul gem, and hence a de-facto death. 2) "Battery powered" The 'soul gem - shell' set up being made into a MS imparts a sizeable drain on soul purify to keep running, even when just going about everyday life. Ergo if you don't want to die or become a witch (depending on how a soul gem going dark works out) you will have to seek grief seeds regularly, and hence fight. 3) "Cannabalism" If soul gems and grief seeds are effective the same things, just at different purity states, then a 'retired' MS (one who wishes not to fight anymore and has forsworn doing so) could rapidly become a target for 'cannabalising' by the less scrupulous of the other MS (Kyouko?). Since, her soul gem (once she's dead, and assuming it doesn't have to be destroyed in the act of killing) could likely do a hell of a lot more cleaning of their soul gem than some old already-quite-dark grief seed. Of course, if when threatened, she puts her survival above her desire not to fight, and survives, then she's going to have to get grief seeds in order to stop from witchifying / dying / in order to be bright enough to survive another challenge. And so then by prioritising survival gets pulled back into the career. 4) "Choice Denied" Maybe there's more to the whole 'zombie' thing than ep6 has covered. In that the MS-ification process means somehow they can't not fight. Either some sort of will/mind control (Kyuubey?)?, (or to not fight makes u go witch??) I've also considered that the revoking of dreams could be done in a vindictive destructive manner (i.e. "i wish to eat" => starving /inability to eat, "i wish kamijou can play again" => kamijou dies), but given the trend for rules and mechanism not being freely explained, I can't see this working as a deterrent, only a post-quitting punishment which wouldn't stop MSs quitting. |
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| Theory number two makes the most sense to me, kinda like, your soul gem is your soul, YOU BETTER GET GRIEF SEEDS, OTHERWISE YOUR SOUL IS MINE. Looking more like a Faustian allusion, with the soul gems revealed. |
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| I joked yesterday that Gen and SHAFT might troll us by using a global reset early and spending the last few episodes as an incest anime (Madoka/Madoka's-mum ;P) since they seem to be a bit of a fashion of late. But it just dawned on me that if the 'Homura = Madoka-from-the-future' thing turns out true then the copious Madoka/Homura shipping will be post-event rendered incest. |
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longtail_kat said: I joked yesterday that Gen and SHAFT might troll us by using a global reset early and spending the last few episodes as an incest anime (Madoka/Madoka's-mum ;P) since they seem to be a bit of a fashion of late. But it just dawned on me that if the 'Homura = Madoka-from-the-future' thing turns out true then the copious Madoka/Homura shipping will be post-event rendered incest. Woah. So you're saying that Homura is actually Madoka in the future? I like that theory and support it. If you didn't mean that, then I still support it. |
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Azure_Shockwave said: I don't think that Homura is Madoka.longtail_kat said: I joked yesterday that Gen and SHAFT might troll us by using a global reset early and spending the last few episodes as an incest anime (Madoka/Madoka's-mum ;P) since they seem to be a bit of a fashion of late. But it just dawned on me that if the 'Homura = Madoka-from-the-future' thing turns out true then the copious Madoka/Homura shipping will be post-event rendered incest. Woah. So you're saying that Homura is actually Madoka in the future? I like that theory and support it. If you didn't mean that, then I still support it. Why? Just look at the interactions between Homura and Sayaka. Homura is far too indifferent about Sayaka, even by kuudere standards for her to actually be Madoka. Remember that Sayaka is one of Madooa's closest friends and she should have paid a lot more attention to her had she really been future Madoka, bearing in mind the Madoka would have known she would become a magical girl before traveling back in time as Homura as the theories suggest. So I have an alternate theory to the same effect, but more logical. Homura is actually a future version of Junko (Madoka's mother). How does that work? Well, there doesn't seem to be an upper age limit to being a magical girl that we know of, for a start, and it is likely that if an older person becomes a mahou shoujo, the aging process gets reversed in the process to make their bodies more able to battle. Junko's motive for stopping Madoka from becoming a mahou shoujo would be to stop Madoka's future death after Maokda protected her from a witch as a mahou shoujo, and her wish to Kyubey would be to that effect. As it was a transportation wish, she gets teleportation as an ability. The Kyubey from Madoka's present hasn't actually formed a contract with Junko at this time, which explains his comments about her forming, yet not forming a contract. The magic potential that Madoka has may very well be in Junko as well, seeing as they are blood-related, which would explain her power. It also explains the indifferent attitude to Sayaka as Junko isn't as close to her as Madoka is and probably said those comments to Kyouko about killing her with a business mind (Junko is a successful corporate executive) The strongest and most resourceful are successful, the weaker and less resourceful fail and get fired/die. |
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| That's a pretty wild idea, FOE. Not saying it's not a possibility just that it's never something I would have suspected. If it turns out to be true, many a table will be flipped. (ﾉ´Д`)ﾉ ~┻━┻ |
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| Well, I called that one. Have fun being a witch in a few episodes. ;_; I sort of like Kyouko now, too. Creepy storytime and another stomach wound: symbolism so deep: |
trappedinthevoidFeb 17, 2011 11:01 AM
| "Oh come on. Did you...?" Quote from Kyouko in the last few minutes of the episode. The "wounds" on Sayaka's body look less like blood and more like cracks, or tears. Since that scene was done entirely in noir it's probably more symbolic than anything. More than likely, given how Sayaka was acting whilst hacking at the corpse of the witch like a woman posessed, the next episode will start off with Kyouko being all "OH COME ON WHY'D YOU DO *insert whacky taboo loophole that allows you to avoid pain as a mahou shoujo*", Sayaka is still in batshit mode and turns around to give Kyouko as jab in the kidneys. Queue depressing music as Kyouko glances down at the huge gash in her side with Sayaka laughing uproariously, all the while Madoka cries in the background. Homura shows up and backhands Sayaka with her shield and plucks up Madoka and leaves Bizzaro witch world, leaving the lifeless husk of Kyouko behind on the ground. Oh and then there'll be a scene of QB walking up and "eating" the grief seed that Sayaka doesn't get a chance to grab. Of course, I could always be wrong. |
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| =[ Fight scene was pretty neat, though. At this point, it seems most of what will happen is pretty predictable, but I'm not going to hold my breath on anything, since obviously they could still completely fuck with our heads before it's over. |
| Ugh next episode will be a while... I can't wait to see how things turn out with Kamijou-kun Sayaka might kill Hitomi though and then Madoka will get angry, and lots of drama to come. Big witch battle is coming soon as well. |
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Thillygooth said: At this point, it seems most of what will happen is pretty predictable, but I'm not going to hold my breath on anything, since obviously they could still completely fuck with our heads before it's over. I'm banking on a large degree of headfucking before the final episode. I mean Madoka isn't even slightly magical yet. Think of the potential. |
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endtime said: Kyuubey clone army, Homura time traveler and Sayaka as a witch confirmed. Feels too good man. endtime said: Kyuubey clone army, Homura time traveler and Sayaka as a witch confirmed. Feels too good man. All too easy. Darthvader.jpg |
endtime said: the whole thing is a troll. the kanji for the show can be read as wavering girl madoka magica, which, you know, makes way too much sense. yep. madoka is only going to be a mahou shoujo IN ANOTHER TIMELINE. ie we won't get to see it. alas, no frilly pink dress for us. |
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| Also, the Madoka is Homura theory is weakened further, as it implies that Madoka will becomes the most powerful witch of them all very quickly if she accepts Kyubey's contract, with little time as a mahou shoujo to do anything about it. Junko is Homura (Since Homura's power is conformed as time manipulation, she doesn't even need Kyubey to make herself look 15 years younger than she actually is) and Madoka becomes (an upgraded) Kyubey (Seeing as Madoka will most likely become god and possibly mother of all witches if she accepts the contract, taking over Kyubey's job as a result) are strengthened. |
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| I wonder if Madoka wished for time restart in the first episode and became magical girl? |
| Honestly, I don't think Madoka's family has any relevance to the show... Just saying. |
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| I don't think Homura = Junko theory is right. Homura might be Madoka's best friend who was maybe bullied in school and only Madoka became her friend and when Homura did time travel, she got erased from everyones memories in school. That dream in EP 1 might be the scene when Homura did time travel or the future (WalpurgisNacht for e.x. or Sayaka in witch form) |
| Dream in the first episode seems to be a vision Madoka had about Walpurgis, and I'm pretty sure Kyubey will repeat in the next episode that it's impossible for Homura to fight that alone, but that Madoka could do it :] Oh, can't wait for the 'I told you so' ;p |
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FOE-tan said: That is rather excellent as a theory itself. I would sure explain lots of things.Azure_Shockwave said: I don't think that Homura is Madoka.longtail_kat said: I joked yesterday that Gen and SHAFT might troll us by using a global reset early and spending the last few episodes as an incest anime (Madoka/Madoka's-mum ;P) since they seem to be a bit of a fashion of late. But it just dawned on me that if the 'Homura = Madoka-from-the-future' thing turns out true then the copious Madoka/Homura shipping will be post-event rendered incest. Woah. So you're saying that Homura is actually Madoka in the future? I like that theory and support it. If you didn't mean that, then I still support it. Why? Just look at the interactions between Homura and Sayaka. Homura is far too indifferent about Sayaka, even by kuudere standards for her to actually be Madoka. Remember that Sayaka is one of Madooa's closest friends and she should have paid a lot more attention to her had she really been future Madoka, bearing in mind the Madoka would have known she would become a magical girl before traveling back in time as Homura as the theories suggest. So I have an alternate theory to the same effect, but more logical. Homura is actually a future version of Junko (Madoka's mother). How does that work? Well, there doesn't seem to be an upper age limit to being a magical girl that we know of, for a start, and it is likely that if an older person becomes a mahou shoujo, the aging process gets reversed in the process to make their bodies more able to battle. Junko's motive for stopping Madoka from becoming a mahou shoujo would be to stop Madoka's future death after Maokda protected her from a witch as a mahou shoujo, and her wish to Kyubey would be to that effect. As it was a transportation wish, she gets teleportation as an ability. The Kyubey from Madoka's present hasn't actually formed a contract with Junko at this time, which explains his comments about her forming, yet not forming a contract. The magic potential that Madoka has may very well be in Junko as well, seeing as they are blood-related, which would explain her power. It also explains the indifferent attitude to Sayaka as Junko isn't as close to her as Madoka is and probably said those comments to Kyouko about killing her with a business mind (Junko is a successful corporate executive) The strongest and most resourceful are successful, the weaker and less resourceful fail and get fired/die. |
| Honestly, I think Homura is a totally different person and isn't a family member or anything like that. Sure, Homura seems to really care for Madoka, how they are actually related? Well only time will tell... Until next week... We can hope for back story. Also it looks like the witch battle in episode one is indeed Walpurgis. |
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| I think Homura is Madoka's best friend is it me or does Homura seems jealous when Madoka worries about sayaka? |
Marim said: I think Homura is Madoka's best friend is it me or does Homura seems jealous when Madoka worries about sayaka? Seems pretty clear to me. Part of Homura's sacrifice in going back in time/jumping to a new time/whatever is that no one remembers her. She was likely part of the group before, and probably BFF yurimates with Madoka. Now she has to try to save Madoka and the world, while her former best friend only sees her as a cold, dangerous thing. Perhaps Sayaka is even a replacement created to fill the void, or maybe she was a rival for BFF. Either way, Homura is pissed. She longs to embrace dat DFC again, but being yuri is suffering. |
Marim said: I think Homura is Madoka's best friend is it me or does Homura seems jealous when Madoka worries about sayaka? Seems pretty clear to me. Part of Homura's sacrifice in going back in time/jumping to a new time/whatever is that no one remembers her. She was likely part of the group before, and probably BFF yurimates with Madoka. Now she has to try to save Madoka and the world, while her former best friend only sees her as a cold, dangerous thing. Perhaps Sayaka is even a replacement created to fill the void, or maybe she was a rival for BFF. Either way, Homura is pissed. She longs to embrace dat DFC again, but being yuri is suffering. |
I wonder what will happen next and interested about Kamijou too |
| I assumed that, even though this show was dark, it was going to be "And at least one of you will live happily ever after and some of you don't make it". After watching episode 10 though, I am now having visions of Homura having to travel back in time again and the last thing we see is Homura introducing herself to the class again. Destined to repeat the same section of history in vain. I wouldn't mind if it ended like that but I really want Madoka and Homura to be happy together in the end. |
endtime said: japanese lesbian time traveling batman This. |
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| Soon there won't be a reason for this thread to exist. Sad days. |
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-Zombie- said: Soon there won't be a reason for this thread to exist. Sad days. There will always be a place for speculah. A place close to my balls. |
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