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Nov 13, 2010 9:10 AM

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It's disgusting how a vast majority of the girls don't shave down there. It's like fucking a bush. What a turn off.


Agreed, all girls 18+ should shave, most guys don't like hair down there, we find it gross and unattractive.

Because a woman's body only exists for you, a man amirite?


YES, now you're getting it...

But to be serious, that's just my preference/opinion, in the end it only matters to me if it's my gf, I too would change to please her (for example shaving my beard or cutting my hair shorter than what it is).


That's pretty pathetic. The person should love you for who you are not try to change you.
Nov 13, 2010 9:53 AM

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Sure are a lot of judgmental people in this thread. You've got to realise that Japan is a different culture and they don't do things or think like you do.

If you were born over there you'd probably turn a blind eye to it and not care but since you, most likely, live in the US you've been brought up around insanely strict guidelines regarding just about anything sexual so you think its 'disgusting'

I personally don't see any problem or see it as disgusting at all.. seeing as the children aren't abused or anything.

I mean really what is SO wrong with being 'sexualised'
Nov 13, 2010 9:59 AM

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alexcampos said:
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It's disgusting how a vast majority of the girls don't shave down there. It's like fucking a bush. What a turn off.


Agreed, all girls 18+ should shave, most guys don't like hair down there, we find it gross and unattractive.

I like hair down there, but that's just me.

Kinoholic said:
Sure are a lot of judgmental people in this thread. You've got to realise that Japan is a different culture and they don't do things or think like you do.

I mean really what is SO wrong with being 'sexualised'

Nothing is wrong, as long as there no psychological impact on the person being sexualised. I would also like to think though that the parent's of the child have to get a say as well.
Also, I completely agree with your first statement.
Nov 13, 2010 10:04 AM

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Nothing is wrong, as long as there no psychological impact on the person being sexualised. I would also like to think though that the parent's of the child have to get a say as well.


I'd seriously doubt there is trauma in having pics taken of you in certain poses and clothes.. and since these are children they don't REALLY know what the pics are going to be used for and even if they did to be honest they should take it as a compliment that they're cute enough for someone to tug off to.. and yes I'm pretty sure the parents have to have some say in it lol.
Nov 13, 2010 11:02 AM

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That's pretty pathetic. The person should love you for who you are not try to change you.


That's a nice thought, but in the REAL world people want their partners to change for what they believe is the BETTER.

I feel the same way, I could "Love" someone, but I don't think it's a bad thing to CHANGE a little depending on your gf or bf tastes...

Like I change this about me, you change that about you, it's compromising for our TASTE, nothing wrong with that.
Nov 13, 2010 1:10 PM

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They have one of if not the best porn industries
Nov 13, 2010 1:43 PM
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Gogetters said:
I'll stick with lolicon thanks...
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Never understood the fascination with tentacles, I personally find that disgusting...

About the loli stuff, like everyone here I love anime,

BUT, I must say that I'm exclusive to liking lolis in the 2D world, NOT the 3D world.

FOR EXAMPLE:

When I see a loli in anime (Louise, Konata, Shana, Kagami, etc.) I think, "God, they're so cute..."

When I see the same lolis in a sexual fan-made drawing, I think, "wow, this is pretty hot",

Fully understanding that it's a DRAWING of a FICTIONAL character that doesn't even depict how a real life human looks like (crazy hair, huge eyes, super small mouth and nose, a NON-proportional body, etc.)


The exploitation of REAL children is a horrible situation that should NOT BE ACCEPTABLE, nude or not those kids are being exploited by PEDOPHILES who are into real life little girls, that would NEVER be acceptable in America or Europe, or most of the western countries, Japan should be ashamed...


This is pretty much how I feel. I enjoy loli in the 2D world, but not the 3D world.

Also, I never understood the fetishes of tentacles or rape.
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Bloody puritans.

Yes, they have fictional drawings of fictional characters engaged in fictional characters? You think it is gross? Don't watch. No one is forcing you to look.

If anything, the Japanese are more advances as a culture because they've gone beyond the West in terms of the middle ages-view on human sexuality.


The article isn't about drawings, it's live action.


That doesn't make a difference. So long as it is in reality consensual, they should be allowed, nay, encouraged to do anything.

Freedom of expression, or of speech, only really exists where it is protecting precisely those things that people deem unacceptable.
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Nov 13, 2010 4:15 PM

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None of it really surprised me except for the loli real girls. That's just gross.

This is an epitome of the troubles that arise when Real life ethics try to step into a 2D world.
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>Fully understanding that it's a DRAWING of a FICTIONAL character that doesn't even depict how a real life human looks like

That's not necessarily true.

Anyway this thread is not related to 2D loli. There were many threads talking about it already. I think most people don't need revision.
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I don't like when people use the term "loli" for real little girls for some reason. I guess I like to think lolis (drawn ones) should be used as a totally different word than "children".
Nov 14, 2010 3:20 PM

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rTz said:
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Bloody puritans.

Yes, they have fictional drawings of fictional characters engaged in fictional characters? You think it is gross? Don't watch. No one is forcing you to look.

If anything, the Japanese are more advances as a culture because they've gone beyond the West in terms of the middle ages-view on human sexuality.


The article isn't about drawings, it's live action.


That doesn't make a difference. So long as it is in reality consensual, they should be allowed, nay, encouraged to do anything.

Freedom of expression, or of speech, only really exists where it is protecting precisely those things that people deem unacceptable.


But the concept of "age of consent" is that prior to that boundary people are not fit to make life decisions. It's not fair to exploit, especially sexually, someone who is incapable of making their own decisions. For example, if someone with Down's Syndrome were to be made famous as a scat porn artist because they kept shitting themselves and crying, would that be ok? They mumbled "ohkay" when asked if they wanted to be on TV.

And in response to someone earlier, the problem with sexualising children, if you really need it pointing out, is that by definition it makes sexual things involving children more "normal". This isn't ok. Or is it?
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skankfish said:
rTz said:
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Bloody puritans.

Yes, they have fictional drawings of fictional characters engaged in fictional characters? You think it is gross? Don't watch. No one is forcing you to look.

If anything, the Japanese are more advances as a culture because they've gone beyond the West in terms of the middle ages-view on human sexuality.


The article isn't about drawings, it's live action.


That doesn't make a difference. So long as it is in reality consensual, they should be allowed, nay, encouraged to do anything.

Freedom of expression, or of speech, only really exists where it is protecting precisely those things that people deem unacceptable.


But the concept of "age of consent" is that prior to that boundary people are not fit to make life decisions. It's not fair to exploit, especially sexually, someone who is incapable of making their own decisions.


Age of consent is mostly arbitrary and relative to culture. If you went back in time 500 years and claimed that no one under age 18 is fit to have sex, they would laugh in your face. Or are you going to say that the difference in age from 17 to 18 is really that significant?

For example, if someone with Down's Syndrome were to be made famous as a scat porn artist because they kept shitting themselves and crying, would that be ok? They mumbled "ohkay" when asked if they wanted to be on TV.


Actually, I'm fairly sure that it is legal.

And in response to someone earlier, the problem with sexualising children, if you really need it pointing out, is that by definition it makes sexual things involving children more "normal". This isn't ok. Or is it?

As long as they're not actually raping 11 year olds, I really don't care what they consider normal to sexualize.
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Nov 14, 2010 5:02 PM

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You can't change this stuff, because we human are all similar in trying to do the immoral, illegal or irrational things. Even if the world world is to adapt fascism, this wouldn't change much because there is simply NO WAY to monitor everyone 24/7 and even if there is it still wouldn't change the human mind set. Curiosity makes lot of things happen and this is one of them. Beside how is this related to any of you? Is not like you are the offender or the child being offended or a relative of a child who been offended or offender. You guys just say what ever you want and then 5 min later just forget about it and do nothing to change it so why all the talk? Can you really say it is wrong? Everybody sees the same rainbow differently. <=== So much mixed up ideas so ya
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Hefewy said:
I don't like when people use the term "loli" for real little girls for some reason. I guess I like to think lolis (drawn ones) should be used as a totally different word than "children".
^ I can't agree more.

I have always use the term loli when referring to 2D and the same goes for lolicon.
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skankfish said:

But the concept of "age of consent" is that prior to that boundary people are not fit to make life decisions.


Because obviously everybody under the age of consent are not fit to make any life decisions. Man those 17 year olds sure as hell are being raped by their 18 year old partners.
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skankfish said:

But the concept of "age of consent" is that prior to that boundary people are not fit to make life decisions.


Because obviously everybody under the age of consent are not fit to make any life decisions. Man those 17 year olds sure as hell are being raped by their 18 year old partners.


For starters in most places in the world the age of consent is actually 17 so you need to jump those numbers back a year and its a very valid argument.


In regards to Kinoholic's comment I would have to say that no matter how old you are there are always psychological impacts on in fact anything you do. But the whole thing here is this trauma right? Well trauma doesn't necessarily happen just because they are children while some might not fully understand whats going on there are those that do so there isn't a argument there so much. But there is a reason the age of signing a contract its 18. I'm sure you know why its 18 if you don't there are plenty of materials to tell you.

But people by the age of 10 are capable of making life decisions but the law says because not enough of them are capable of making them that its 18 and thus you can't do such. Which is also why they are required by law at least in america to make you sign a wavier to appear in porn legally. You are not however allowed to sign such a waiver without a parent until you are 18 therefore its a checks and balance system. Combine that with most places have laws in place to protect the children who whose minds didn't develop fast enough to make their choices at a young age. So there is no reason going into that because its a pretty closed and shut case. Remember we are talking about marketable porn not anything else.

As I am sure everyone has those things they do that they don't want people to know or for instance to judge them based on, one shouldn't go about judging some else because they do something you don't understand. Remember its only a few letters between being a moron and being moral.
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Zippyser said:
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But the concept of "age of consent" is that prior to that boundary people are not fit to make life decisions.


Because obviously everybody under the age of consent are not fit to make any life decisions. Man those 17 year olds sure as hell are being raped by their 18 year old partners.


For starters in most places in the world the age of consent is actually 17 so you need to jump those numbers back a year and its a very valid argument.


In regards to Kinoholic's comment I would have to say that no matter how old you are there are always psychological impacts on in fact anything you do. But the whole thing here is this trauma right? Well trauma doesn't necessarily happen just because they are children while some might not fully understand whats going on there are those that do so there isn't a argument there so much. But there is a reason the age of signing a contract its 18. I'm sure you know why its 18 if you don't there are plenty of materials to tell you.

But people by the age of 10 are capable of making life decisions but the law says because not enough of them are capable of making them that its 18 and thus you can't do such. Which is also why they are required by law at least in america to make you sign a wavier to appear in porn legally. You are not however allowed to sign such a waiver without a parent until you are 18 therefore its a checks and balance system. Combine that with most places have laws in place to protect the children who whose minds didn't develop fast enough to make their choices at a young age. So there is no reason going into that because its a pretty closed and shut case. Remember we are talking about marketable porn not anything else.

As I am sure everyone has those things they do that they don't want people to know or for instance to judge them based on, one shouldn't go about judging some else because they do something you don't understand. Remember its only a few letters between being a moron and being moral.


Still isn't valid at all. You missed the point of my sarcastic post. He was saying nobody under the age of consent could make any life decisions at all which also includes older teens.
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Still isn't valid at all. You missed the point of my sarcastic post. He was saying nobody under the age of consent could make any life decisions at all which also includes older teens.


No, I said that's the concept. The idea is that by that age, most people will be able to make sensible decisions based on their experience of the world.

Besides, this isn't about sex with a 17 year old when consent is 18, it's about pre-teens (vastly pre-teen in the blog entry) being exploited for erotic videos. Are you trying to argue that the 8-9 year old on the DVD in the blog just happens to have matured much faster than everyone else and made a weighed decision about it?
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skankfish said:
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Still isn't valid at all. You missed the point of my sarcastic post. He was saying nobody under the age of consent could make any life decisions at all which also includes older teens.


No, I said that's the concept. The idea is that by that age, most people will be able to make sensible decisions based on their experience of the world.

Besides, this isn't about sex with a 17 year old when consent is 18, it's about pre-teens (vastly pre-teen in the blog entry) being exploited for erotic videos. Are you trying to argue that the 8-9 year old on the DVD in the blog just happens to have matured much faster than everyone else and made a weighed decision about it?


You said age of consent which includes ANYBODY under the age of 17-18. I'm also not arguing about those videos. Yeah its gross but nothing we can do about it.
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Drunk_Samurai said:


You said age of consent which includes ANYBODY under the age of 17-18. I'm also not arguing about those videos. Yeah its gross but nothing we can do about it.


Okay, well anyway "the concept of "age of consent" is that prior to that boundary people are not fit to make life decisions." doesn't mean "He was saying nobody under the age of consent could make any life decisions at all which also includes older teens."
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Still isn't valid at all. You missed the point of my sarcastic post. He was saying nobody under the age of consent could make any life decisions at all which also includes older teens.


Ah I know I know I was saying you would have to push it back a year for it to make sense even as a joke :P
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skankfish said:
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You said age of consent which includes ANYBODY under the age of 17-18. I'm also not arguing about those videos. Yeah its gross but nothing we can do about it.


Okay, well anyway "the concept of "age of consent" is that prior to that boundary people are not fit to make life decisions." doesn't mean "He was saying nobody under the age of consent could make any life decisions at all which also includes older teens."


You still said it. If you were talking about the kids you would have mentioned them instead of just saying under the age of consent.
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Drunk_Samurai said:
skankfish said:
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You said age of consent which includes ANYBODY under the age of 17-18. I'm also not arguing about those videos. Yeah its gross but nothing we can do about it.


Okay, well anyway "the concept of "age of consent" is that prior to that boundary people are not fit to make life decisions." doesn't mean "He was saying nobody under the age of consent could make any life decisions at all which also includes older teens."


You still said it. If you were talking about the kids you would have mentioned them instead of just saying under the age of consent.


I think you're still misunderstanding me. My point is that was the concept of the age of consent - that most people have reached a level of maturity by then.
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If you need an example of Japanese rape hentai, try watching bible black. The closest they get to consensual sex is prostitution :P. I guarantee you'll be traumatized.
Anyone up for satanic tentacle rape?
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blah98765234 said:
If you need an example of Japanese rape hentai, try watching bible black. The closest they get to consensual sex is prostitution :P. I guarantee you'll be traumatized.
Anyone up for satanic tentacle rape?


There's worse anime than Bible Black, Bondage Game and Choisuji for example (You need to have no heart or soul to enjoy either one and watching both are more traumatic).


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There's worse anime than Bible Black, Bondage Game and Choisuji for example (You need to have no heart or soul to enjoy either one and watching both are more traumatic).


Whats so traumatic about Choisuji? Sure the puppet thing was pretty odd but it doesn't really seem to stand above others that I've seen IMO.

I ask because i've seen you knock on it before.

blah98765234 said:
Anyone up for satanic tentacle rape?


If you want satanic tentacle rape you should watch Dark Love.. Though I think you'll end up laughing your ass off, when they pretty much go super saiyan while having sex, instead of being traumatized

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If you need an example of Japanese rape hentai, try watching bible black. The closest they get to consensual sex is prostitution :P. I guarantee you'll be traumatized.
Anyone up for satanic tentacle rape?

Bible black is the MOST POPULAR, and probably the MOST WATCHED hentai or ALL TIME....

I've never heard people say they're traumatized or whatever, like Hoppy said there are FAR WORST hentai and non-hentai anime than Bible Black...

In fact I would highly recommend Bible Black to anyone who wants QUALITY fap material.
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alexcampos said:
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If you need an example of Japanese rape hentai, try watching bible black. The closest they get to consensual sex is prostitution :P. I guarantee you'll be traumatized.
Anyone up for satanic tentacle rape?

Bible black is the MOST POPULAR, and probably the MOST WATCHED hentai or ALL TIME....

I've never heard people say they're traumatized or whatever, like Hoppy said there are FAR WORST hentai and non-hentai anime than Bible Black...

In fact I would highly recommend Bible Black to anyone who wants QUALITY fap material.


I concur. Night Shift Nurses is way better. It's disturbing yet awesome, it even has a plot.
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alexcampos said:
blah98765234 said:
If you need an example of Japanese rape hentai, try watching bible black. The closest they get to consensual sex is prostitution :P. I guarantee you'll be traumatized.
Anyone up for satanic tentacle rape?

Bible black is the MOST POPULAR, and probably the MOST WATCHED hentai or ALL TIME....

I've never heard people say they're traumatized or whatever, like Hoppy said there are FAR WORST hentai and non-hentai anime than Bible Black...

In fact I would highly recommend Bible Black to anyone who wants QUALITY fap material.


Are you sure we're talking about the same anime here?

And I'm not saying bible black is the worst example, just a example which personally I found traumatizing at points.
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I concur. Night Shift Nurses is way better. It's disturbing yet awesome, it even has a plot.


I've NEVER watched hentai for the story, I could care less about that...

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Are you sure we're talking about the same anime here?

And I'm not saying bible black is the worst example, just a example which personally I found traumatizing at points.


YES, Bible Black is VERY popular, and hailed as one of the "best" (in terms of 2D porn of course).

But I guess maybe you didn't like the FUTANARI (girls with dicks)???
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I concur. Night Shift Nurses is way better. It's disturbing yet awesome, it even has a plot.


I've NEVER watched hentai for the story, I could care less about that...


Then I would still recommend it to you. Trust me, it's more disturbing than Bible Black. I actually enjoyed watching it, but I somewhat felt violated myself, too.
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Oni-Tensei is imo far more disturbing than Night Shift Nurses ....and less disgusting
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Oni-Tensei is imo far more disturbing than Night Shift Nurses ....and less disgusting


But what's the fun in that?
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Chavez said:
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I concur. Night Shift Nurses is way better. It's disturbing yet awesome, it even has a plot.


I've NEVER watched hentai for the story, I could care less about that...


Then I would still recommend it to you. Trust me, it's more disturbing than Bible Black. I actually enjoyed watching it, but I somewhat felt violated myself, too.


OK, I guess I'll check it out, although it's hard to beat Bible Black...
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I really don't understand the obsession with kiddie's when it comes to anime fans.
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I really don't understand the obsession with kiddie's when it comes to anime fans.


Umm...Don't group anime fans with Pedophiles.

It's a huge difference between people who like 2D Lolis as opposed to SICK FUCKS who like REAL LIFE little kids.

Most people who like Lolis will tell you that real life kids are HORRIBLE and DISGUSTING, they don't want anything to do with real life kids.
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alexcampos said:
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I really don't understand the obsession with kiddie's when it comes to anime fans.


Umm...Don't group anime fans with Pedophiles.

It's a huge difference between people who like 2D Lolis as opposed to SICK FUCKS who like REAL LIFE little kids.

Most people who like Lolis will tell you that real life kids are HORRIBLE and DISGUSTING, they don't want anything to do with real life kids.


I didn't group them together. I said anime fans seem to have a thing for kiddies. They may be animated kids, but they're still kids. I just don't see the fascination.
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Chavez said:
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Oni-Tensei is imo far more disturbing than Night Shift Nurses ....and less disgusting


But what's the fun in that?

Dunno, maybe I just enjoy the gory stuff more than "giving birth to boiled eggs"...and the plot is not bad for a hentai - though I also don't watch hentai for the story
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Chavez said:
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Oni-Tensei is imo far more disturbing than Night Shift Nurses ....and less disgusting


But what's the fun in that?

Dunno, maybe I just enjoy the gory stuff more than "giving birth to boiled eggs"...and the plot is not bad for a hentai - though I also don't watch hentai for the story
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I really don't understand the obsession with kiddie's when it comes to anime fans.


Umm...Don't group anime fans with Pedophiles.

It's a huge difference between people who like 2D Lolis as opposed to SICK FUCKS who like REAL LIFE little kids.

Most people who like Lolis will tell you that real life kids are HORRIBLE and DISGUSTING, they don't want anything to do with real life kids.


I didn't group them together. I said anime fans seem to have a thing for kiddies. They may be animated kids, but they're still kids. I just don't see the fascination.


No they're not. They're drawings which means they are not real therefore they cannot be kids.
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Drunk_Samurai said:
Yukiteru said:
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Yukiteru said:
I really don't understand the obsession with kiddie's when it comes to anime fans.


Umm...Don't group anime fans with Pedophiles.

It's a huge difference between people who like 2D Lolis as opposed to SICK FUCKS who like REAL LIFE little kids.

Most people who like Lolis will tell you that real life kids are HORRIBLE and DISGUSTING, they don't want anything to do with real life kids.


I didn't group them together. I said anime fans seem to have a thing for kiddies. They may be animated kids, but they're still kids. I just don't see the fascination.


No they're not. They're drawings which means they are not real therefore they cannot be kids.


I didn't say they were living, breathing children, I said they were animated characters intended to represent young kids.
If you don't mind my asking, what do you think loli fans find so attractive in 2D children that they don't see in 3D ones?
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That's such a poor agument, really. They clearly represent children. No-one is arguing that anime children are alive.
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I didn't say they were living, breathing children, I said they were animated characters intended to represent young kids.
If you don't mind my asking, what do you think loli fans find so attractive in 2D children that they don't see in 3D ones?


The problem with your argument is the same problem everyone seems to encounter.

WHAT IS A LOLI???

WHAT DOES AN UNDERAGE ANIME CHARACTER LOOK LIKE?


This has been disputed endlessly by just about everyone.

For example is Mio from K-ON! a loli???

some people have said YES...

Let's say she is what "AGE" do you put on her 15? 16?

2D characters are FICTIONAL DRAWINGS, you can't put an age on them since they don't have "REALISTIC" human proportions or for that matter what the hell do you have to look like to be considered 18+ ?
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Lolis don't necessarily represent real life children. Not even just use Anglosphere people bending the term around. But in Japan they have the term "lolibaba". There were many cases in the past where people claimed that only "Westerners" used the term this way, but never got the chance to address that claim. So here I am.

But in any case, everywhere that the term is used, it means more than just "underage little girl". It's become an aesthetic of sorts. It's come to mean young looking, not necessarily actually being or representing a truly young person.

That being said, being sexually attracted to real life children, doesn't hurt anyone either. I don't know what to say about what's exploitative and what's not. But I suppose you could say that the entire idol industry is exploitative. Hello!Project, AKB48, and several other idol groups feature several photobooks featuring their idols in bathing suits. And honestly, I think that the most exploitative thing about it, is that they're locking ignorant little kids into a strict social image and standard that they can have no choice but to be cruelly dropped and disgraced from by the time they actually know what they're getting into. You get people like Yukiko Okada who kill themselves when it all falls down. The idol industry is bad, much less something to sweep up ignorant children into the horrors of.

I think that's worse than a child being ignorant of the fact they're making pictures someone might find sexually appealing for money. Someone could do that with any picture of a kid. They don't require bathing suit poses. And as much as sexual degradation is a problem, it's not as degrading as people make it out to be. People get an amount of social status out of being an idol. For whatever reasons.

I'm not saying that it's great or anything. But it's not worthy of a moral panic in my eyes. And it should certainly be legal.
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Yukiteru said:
I didn't say they were living, breathing children, I said they were animated characters intended to represent young kids.
If you don't mind my asking, what do you think loli fans find so attractive in 2D children that they don't see in 3D ones?


The problem with your argument is the same problem everyone seems to encounter.

WHAT IS A LOLI???

WHAT DOES AN UNDERAGE ANIME CHARACTER LOOK LIKE?


This has been disputed endlessly by just about everyone.

For example is Mio from K-ON! a loli???

some people have said YES...

Let's say she is what "AGE" do you put on her 15? 16?

2D characters are FICTIONAL DRAWINGS, you can't put an age on them since they don't have "REALISTIC" human proportions or for that matter what the hell do you have to look like to be considered 18+ ?


Valid point.
However, people who consider themselves loli fans specifically look for young characters. If a young character is physically just the same as an 18+ year old one, what makes the younger of the two more captivating?

The characters in this picture, for example...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lolicon_Sample.png

Are clearly intended to be seen as very young girls. If someone were to specifically seek out characters who portray that image, what would they find erotic about the 2D characters that they don't see in real people?
Furthermore, what makes the fact that these characters are young so appealing?

I don't personally care one way or the other and I don't have any intentions of changing anyone's mind. I suppose I'm just curious is all.
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skankfish said:
That's such a poor agument, really. They clearly represent children. No-one is arguing that anime children are alive.


Because real children obviously have blue or purple hair.
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Drunk_Samurai said:
skankfish said:
That's such a poor agument, really. They clearly represent children. No-one is arguing that anime children are alive.


Because real children obviously have blue or purple hair.


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Well think about this some guys like big butts some like girls that are taller others like leather. The general consensus in those who like lolicon are people who prefer women who are smaller then them the size of such things varies greatly from person to person. Its a um fetish thats the word one might say it makes them feel like a bigger man but thats a very negative way of thinking about that and I would advise against it as you are likely to offend people.

And who says they don't see the same thing in real women? There are a great many who like smaller women regardless. Not saying children I am talking about just women that are just a bit smaller.

Another reason why they prefer lolicon is not only does it fulfill their "smaller" requirement but the attitudes of the women in the media is set just for them or people like them. Things said actions taken even facial expressions are all important things that are oft times ignored in live action porn. Just like women men have particular tastes in how a partner should act and because the lolicon is made from like minded individuals it tends to be preferred by those who like it. (like anything else you can tell when someone has a passion for what they are creating)


So basically its a fetish kinda one that isn't really that odd considering how guys are.
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