Graygoose124 said: Frankly, if you really wanted to clear up this lag, help the client, add a "No CSS" option for people with slow computers. once again, this change had nothing to do with helping the client. it was to reduce the workload of the servers. and the option you're asking for already exists http://myanimelist.net/editprofile.php?go=listpreferences it is the very first option on this page. not that I'm defending this change, personally I think this was an idiotic decision too. not because I don't understand the problem, but because I believe there were many better solutions to it. mainly the often mentioned "more" button, pagination after 200 entries without regard for category and/or various backend solutions for better database management. |
jacobpaige said: Lucjan said: I'm having difficulty fully loading my lists background image. your background is loading for me. did you try refreshing a few times? It works for me now. Strange that it hadn't before. |
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jacobpaige said: I edited my post before I noticed this, here was my reply to that: Graygoose124 said: Frankly, if you really wanted to clear up this lag, help the client, add a "No CSS" option for people with slow computers. once again, this change had nothing to do with helping the client. it was to reduce the workload of the servers. and the option you're asking for already exists http://myanimelist.net/editprofile.php?go=listpreferences it is the very first option on this page. not that I'm defending this change, personally I think this was an idiotic decision too. not because I don't understand the problem, but because I believe there were many better solutions to it. mainly the often mentioned "more" button, pagination after 200 entries without regard for category and/or various backend solutions for better database management. But for the server load, you are probably gathering the lists inefficiently, so you should work on your coding instead of taking the cheap route, sure it effects SQL lookup a bit, but it's not going to reduce actual server load much. Anyways I figure I shouldn't be so worked up, but this was somewhat of an idiotic solution to the developers problem, but developers are usually idiots and inefficient morons. MAL is great site and all, but it's just like any other large site...Also, the "more"[being loaded when clicked on, not with page] idea is much better because it gives much more flexibility, users can have what they want, but wasted lookup time is decreased because what they don't need isn't loaded. ferl said: don't use it at all. :P If want to know/do more I just go to the anime page. |
Graygoose124Jun 13, 2010 4:17 PM
| And we are already in a 30 pages long topic! I guess it will hit 50+ by tomorrow |
| Well, I really like the "more"-button function. Using it almost anytime i visit my list. However i really wouldn't mind if it's made load on demand....there's no need for all those queries... edit: ferl wrote, what i tried to say ;) |
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ferl said: Oh, that's what more does? well you CAN do that on the anime page, but I think it's fairly useless, I only rate and change the status.Graygoose124 said: don't use it at all. :P If want to know/do more I just go to the anime page. The anime pages for each series have nothing to do with more really. More is for listing when you started watching/finished a series, how many times you have rewatched it, what form of media you have (VHS, DVD, on your hard drive), which fansub group you watched the series from, extra comments, etc, etc. Most people don't use that (many users have even stated they never noticed the more link before it was mentioned here), they just put down if they are watching it, or completed it, what episode they are on, they rate it and maybe add some tags. Also what is this sh*t: |
Graygoose124Jun 13, 2010 4:42 PM
Onibokusu said: Graygoose124 said: More than 200 entries would not bother the servers, this is a load of bullsh*t. 1000 entries is maybe 10kb, that's nothing, the picture alone is probably 20 times that. This I slightly agree with. My 200-something tries would probably be much, much smaller in size without such things as the more feature. Why? 226 completed entries with the more feature in pure unicode text form is 221KiBs, 108KiBs if ANSI. Without the more feature it could probably be 1/3 that. Agreed. I don't even use any of the "more" functions .___. |
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Graygoose124 said: jacobpaige said: I edited my post before I noticed this, here was my reply to that: Graygoose124 said: Frankly, if you really wanted to clear up this lag, help the client, add a "No CSS" option for people with slow computers. once again, this change had nothing to do with helping the client. it was to reduce the workload of the servers. and the option you're asking for already exists http://myanimelist.net/editprofile.php?go=listpreferences it is the very first option on this page. not that I'm defending this change, personally I think this was an idiotic decision too. not because I don't understand the problem, but because I believe there were many better solutions to it. mainly the often mentioned "more" button, pagination after 200 entries without regard for category and/or various backend solutions for better database management. But for the server load, you are probably gathering the lists inefficiently, so you should work on your coding instead of taking the cheap route, sure it effects SQL lookup a bit, but it's not going to reduce actual server load much. Anyways I figure I shouldn't be so worked up, but this was somewhat of an idiotic solution to the developers problem, but developers are usually idiots and inefficient morons. MAL is great site and all, but it's just like any other large site...Also, the "more"[being loaded when clicked on, not with page] idea is much better because it gives much more flexibility, users can have what they want, but wasted lookup time is decreased because what they don't need isn't loaded. ferl said: don't use it at all. :P If want to know/do more I just go to the anime page.You've never worked with mysql or php before have you? Xinil did 3 things wrong when he first released MAL to the public. 1) "Show all" was chosen as the default display for the lists. 2) No paging was added. 3) There was no Caching. It really doesn't matter how amazing of a coder you are, the fact is a single server cant handle thousands of requests to display hundreds of anime listings every second. This was fine back when we only had a few hundred users on the site at a given time but now it's not so great. Another thing Xinil could have done to address this issue would have been caching the lists and saving them as simple html files with ajax calls to display the "more" info. I'm not sure why he avoided this route but I'm sure he has his reasons. Regardless I think people need to think back a few months ago when we could not post on the forums or update our lists. This change will hopefully relieve some of that stress the server was going through. |
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| Why doesn't the message "do you want to discuss the episode" pop up when I forward an episode (i.e. 1 -> 2) I checked my settings and it was all okay... |
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| I don't like it. Please change it back. |
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| bring back "watching" and "on hold" on same page and I'm happy. That combination should not go over 200 for anyone :/ |
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| @DeathfireD MAL is running off a SINGLE server? Holy shit, I did not know that. I have worked with MySQL for about 3 years so I don't know too much. Anyways, they still could have done much better than this. Although, in the end, I won't care as long as I get a list of my grand totals. I still think they were idiots for taking this route to try to fix it though. |
| I preferred being able to see everything. And with the new view things seem glitchy when updating shows and I can't find a way to look at the rest of my list. |
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DeathfireD said: I don't know why he didn't do those things, but until he says otherwise I'm going to assume that he was either being lazy or unimaginative.Another thing Xinil could have done to address this issue would have been caching the lists and saving them as simple html files with ajax calls to display the "more" info. I'm not sure why he avoided this route but I'm sure he has his reasons. Regardless I think people need to think back a few months ago when we could not post on the forums or update our lists. This change will hopefully relieve some of that stress the server was going through. as for the forum problem, its just as bad as it was before the update. honestly I'm not sure its not worse than before. Graygoose124 said: I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure MAL runs on multiple servers.@DeathfireD MAL is running off a SINGLE server? Holy shit, I did not know that. I have worked with MySQL for about 3 years so I don't know too much. Anyways, they still could have done much better than this. Although, in the end, I won't care as long as I get a list of my grand totals. I still think they were idiots for taking this route to try to fix it though. |
cherryghost said: just click on more ads, it'll have much the same effect.add an old donate button there so you can afford to run 2 servers then. I dont mind paying a bit of my hard earned cash for the creators hard work, that way we can all get the best of both worlds (options to show all or not, whatever you want) when I click the edit button on an entry the "close x" button at the top isn't there anymore. I can still exit out with ESC, but that's not stated anywhere. |
| I, for one, use the "more" button on my animelist. I use it to check when I last watched an ep. I'd like there to be that option for my mangalist, too -- to see when I last read a chapter. Other than that, I don't use the "more" function. Anyway, like a million other people that have already commented, I would like the "Do you want to set this series as completed?" (or whatever) function back. Now I have to do it manually, and while I can live with that, I know I'm going to forget sometimes and it makes the whole process less efficient. |
Since there "[x] close" link has disappeared from the edit list entry box, things like this can happen pretty easily: |
| Okay, I'm really annoyed as to why the ONLY tab that shows up on my lists is the one that's ALREADY showing. I have no way to get to my "Currently watching/reading", "on-hold", "dropped", etc. lists. Is this some kind of bug error that still needs to be worked out or is this a script problem? Because it's really annoying that I can't even navigate properly through my list and have to resort to view list "edit" page, which UNLIKE the anime edit section, DOESN'T tell me what manga chapters I'm on for currently reading and on-hold series. *edit* Well, I guess it's okay if I change my manga list view as "reading" but I still can't get the manga chapters to stuff that I had put on-hold. Ugh, maybe I should go back to my hibernation mode from this site and just make my own excel sheet to keep track of stuff. |
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BakaOnna said: Okay, I'm really annoyed as to why the ONLY tab that shows up on my lists is the one that's ALREADY showing. I have no way to get to my "Currently watching/reading", "on-hold", "dropped", etc. lists. Is this some kind of bug error that still needs to be worked out or is this a script problem? Because it's really annoying that I can't even navigate properly through my list and have to resort to view list "edit" page, which UNLIKE the anime edit section, DOESN'T tell me what manga chapters I'm on for currently reading and on-hold series. *edit* Well, I guess it's okay if I change my manga list view as "reading" but I still can't get the manga chapters to stuff that I had put on-hold. Ugh, maybe I should go back to my hibernation mode from this site and just make my own excel sheet to keep track of stuff. Sounds like you need to edit the style sheet to allow the tabs for watching, planned, ongoing, and completed at the top. |
| I think it is better with the show all option so maybe if u want to add it back. Thanks! |
| It seems it's nearly unanimous that Show All is the way to go. ...why has it not been changed back? Don't you care about what your users think? |
ChaoXide said: Sounds like you need to edit the style sheet to allow the tabs for watching, planned, ongoing, and completed at the top. Yeah, I don't really know what I did different from before but somehow I got the tabs to show up. Thanks anyway. This should make things easier. |
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| It's a great pity that Show All is disabled =( |
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Graygoose124 said: @DeathfireD MAL is running off a SINGLE server? Holy shit, I did not know that. I have worked with MySQL for about 3 years so I don't know too much. Anyways, they still could have done much better than this. Although, in the end, I won't care as long as I get a list of my grand totals. I still think they were idiots for taking this route to try to fix it though. I haven't notice any news or chat from him on a new mysql server so I'm gonna guess he's still only using one. I know he has several web servers though. After the acquisition by crave he might have bought another mysql server and just didn't post any news about it but it's doubtful considering we've been seeing major database issues for over a year now. @jacobpaige - I haven't noticed the forum issue for a while. It could be that I just happen to come on at good times when there's not a lot of people making requests on the database though :D. I'm guessing the reason he didn't do caching is because he doesn't want to sacrifice CPU cycles and risk slowing the web servers down, which is laughable if you have more than one server. While it might seem bad to write thousands of lists to html files at first, in the long run it would reduce mysql requests and stress on the database while still allowing users to load their full lists on one page. He has a number of web servers so I don't see a reason why he wont do this. Distributing the load across the servers would greatly reduce the CPU use. Eh I'm sure that will be one of the next things he'll do down the road and people will bitch about their lists not being updated in real time anymore lol. |
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| Another member asking "show all" to be returned. I'm also having issues with simply increasing the count on the episodes watched. It doesn't ask me if I want to be directed to the episode's thread to discuss it as usual. Plus when I finish an anime, I have to manually remove it to the "completed" box instead of it doing it automatically. Please change it back.... |
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Elric88 said: Plus when I finish an anime, I have to manually remove it to the "completed" box instead of it doing it automatically. This, biggest problem for me. Also have to manually move from plan to watch to watching. while i prefer show all i can deal with switching sections. |
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| Haven't read through all 34 pages, but I thought I'd throw in my two cents. I really liked being able to see all of my entries on one page. If the problem is simply loading too many entries every list view, then it seems like an alteration to the "show all" option should be implemented where the categories start as "hidden/unexpanded" and then can be clicked to "expand" a category (show first 200, then click to show more). This would reduce the number of entries loaded per list view because only the categories that the user was interested in would be loaded on expanding, but it would still allow the entire list to be displayed on one page if the user desired. This would also prevent some redundant reloading of entries in the current implementation, because instead of constantly reloading entries by going back and forth between categories, the entries are only loaded once per view. Now I don't know a lot about SQL servers, but if the problem is just people loading their 500+ entry completed list every time they want to see their 20 entry watching list then the above solution seems like the best compromise to me. |
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| Unfortunately, I agree with everyone above me. (That being the 34 pages of complaints) ^(-.-)^. I'd prefer to see my grand totals, |
mikewando said: I really liked being able to see all of my entries on one page. If the problem is simply loading too many entries every list view, then it seems like an alteration to the "show all" option should be implemented where the categories start as "hidden/unexpanded" and then can be clicked to "expand" a category (show first 200, then click to show more). This would reduce the number of entries loaded per list view because only the categories that the user was interested in would be loaded on expanding, but it would still allow the entire list to be displayed on one page if the user desired. This would also prevent some redundant reloading of entries in the current implementation, because instead of constantly reloading entries by going back and forth between categories, the entries are only loaded once per view. This is a great suggestion. This site is called MyAnimeList yet too much constraints are being put on the lists. At the very least, I want to be able to view all my entries in one page. |
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