MIRANJO

carhs14 said:


And it is not that everybody forgave her and moved on very easily, given all the facts, the elements, the events, the whole situation, this resolution was the best course of action, because again, Miranjo wasn't pure evil and could be saved, she can do way more and pay for her sins in her new life mission. Suffering endlessly inside the demon wouldn't change anything.

chill_dumplin said:
I have a lot of mixed feelings on the recent episode with Miranjo’s situation… but the biggest concern for me is the age gap between Miranjo and Daida, and their possible marriage. I’m not entirely sure how old Daida is, but I’m assuming she is at least double his age…. I don’t see how the people present during his proposal felt ok with this… ESPECIALLY knowing the reason Daida was born was for her to manipulate and use him to bring his own father back to life.

Flakbeard said:
Dunno, I think Miranjo should have stayed dead.

Like, writers, y'all are not gonna make me forget, little Boji crying and sobbing while his mother is shielding him from arrows being shot in her back, causing her to bleed out all over Boji. That one scene makes her new chance at life undeserved. She should of stayed dead and at least have her soul join Bosse, not this marriage proposal ending.

carhs14 said:
What Miranjo did had an explanation but not a justification. One could think it was odd, at least at the beginning when it looked like literally everybody was going to forgive her, but then the captain of the underworld said she had to pay, and it makes sense that he was the only one that said that because he didn't know the full story. Now, on Bojji's perspective, he saw her entire life and empathized with Miranio, plus, he saw the conversation between his mom and Miranjo, where Bojji's mom forgives her and says that she doesn't have any resentment, now for Bojji it wouldn't make sense to punish her by letting the Demon eat her because he knew that Miranjo could be saved. On Daida's side, it was almost the same, but in this case, he could literally feel Miranjo's true soul and knew the whole story as well, I was like WTF when he asked her to be his wife but for me it makes sense that Daida decided to protect her and in that time, that is how marriages worked. And the most important part of this, the cherry on the cake came with Despa, he was going to save Ouken but then he understood Bojji's desires to save her and not just that, he knew everything about Miranjo as well, BUT he knew that somehow she had to PAY, to REDEEM herself, since she wasn't pure evil and could be saved, so he saved her under 2 conditions, first, the kingdom had to give him A LOT of money and the second and most important one, he commended a LIFE mission to her by saying: "You must teach the next generation why you committed your crimes so that no one else has to suffer as you did", for me, that was a perfect way to close this whole situation and the perfect "punishment" for Miranjo. If that last part wouldn't have happened, I would have been dissapointed but fortunately it wasn't the case. That is why I feel very satisfied with all this and it all makes sense for me. Besides, Miranjo DID show a sense of guilt and she was prepared to face the consequences, also, she did suffer/pay in that brief time when she was inside the demon.

And it is not that everybody forgave her and moved on very easily, given all the facts, the elements, the events, the whole situation, this resolution was the best course of action, because again, Miranjo wasn't pure evil and could be saved, she can do way more and pay for her sins in her new life mission. Suffering endlessly inside the demon wouldn't change anything.

chill_dumplin said:
I have a lot of mixed feelings on the recent episode with Miranjo’s situation… but the biggest concern for me is the age gap between Miranjo and Daida, and their possible marriage. I’m not entirely sure how old Daida is, but I’m assuming she is at least double his age…. I don’t see how the people present during his proposal felt ok with this… ESPECIALLY knowing the reason Daida was born was for her to manipulate and use him to bring his own father back to life.

towelgirl21 said:

I'm most concerned with that last part. Like, she literally needed a body to put Bosse's soul in so she made sure she got one by arranging Daida's birth.

I don't trust her yet. Especially to get married to Daida. It was so sudden. Put her on probation for a while, sheesh.

And Daida made a deal with that demon, right? That will come into play again I'm sure.

Jin_uzuki said:

Why do people repeat this, it's not a fucking historical fiction, it's a Japanese fairly tale which uses middle age aesthetics when it's convenient and throws them away when it's inconvenient and it's more interested in teaching the viewer moral lessons about forgiveness and redemption more than anything.

No to mention that the idea that a 12 years old king could marry the peasant girl that murdered the previous queen and is responsible for two insurrection is fucking idiotic!

Krrryyo said:
Quote by Sosuke Toka [Author]
I'm a delicate-hearted person, so I love stories with happy endings. I'd like to make everyone happy if I can. But I can't do that for the bad guys. The core is as simple as that.


What does this mean for Miranjo? Is she just a tragic character or is she truly a 'bad guy' who deserve suffering?


Judging from the mixed reactions last episode, ig people aren't used to easily forgiving the antagonist of the show.

Inter_Sting said:
People complained a lot that they forgot that she killed Bojji's mother, and no one forgives her, but her past is exaggeratedly hard, and I do forgive her and I wish her well despite this latest event. I really like Miranjo as an antagonist and as a character.

Sorry for my poor english.

Krrryyo said:
Quote by Sosuke Toka [Author]
I'm a delicate-hearted person, so I love stories with happy endings. I'd like to make everyone happy if I can. But I can't do that for the bad guys. The core is as simple as that.


What does this mean for Miranjo? Is she just a tragic character or is she truly a 'bad guy' who deserve suffering?


Judging from the mixed reactions last episode, ig people aren't used to easily forgiving the antagonist of the show.

chill_dumplin said:
I have a lot of mixed feelings on the recent episode with Miranjo’s situation… but the biggest concern for me is the age gap between Miranjo and Daida, and their possible marriage. I’m not entirely sure how old Daida is, but I’m assuming she is at least double his age…. I don’t see how the people present during his proposal felt ok with this… ESPECIALLY knowing the reason Daida was born was for her to manipulate and use him to bring his own father back to life.

Phlaryx said:


This anime takes place during old knightly kings and queens times (not counting the fantasy elements) While an age gap like this would be strange and disturbing today it made sense and wasn’t questioned for that time period. The values back then are not the same as today.

Taeay said:

exactly. It's so out of place, for him to even like miranjo. Not only did she deceive him, but she also used to like Daidas "dad". That part was truely, baddly written. He has no reason to like her. The only romance was, when he stayed in the dark with her past 4 year old kid self, which was also her fault. So well

chill_dumplin said:


I understand the setting... However, Miranjo grew up with Bosse and was in love with him (even wanting to spend her life with him). I find it quite sickening that she had such relations with Bosse and now possibly Daida. ESPECIALLY since her initial intentions were to use Daida as a sacrifice to prolong her time with Bosse. Even if we look past the age gap, there are still a lot of things that are wrong with a romantic relationship between Daida and Miranjo.

Phlaryx said:


Yeah, to you and to me the age gap is disturbing but you also questioned why the OTHER CHARACTERS in the show weren’t disgusted. THAT point you made was what I was responding to lol.