| All the haters just tell me one thing did you liked the garden of words Cuz both have almost same age gap But yet just because it has more beautiful visuals and. It is "MAKOTO SHINKAI" Film AND age gap is between YOUNG boy and OLD Girl, so everyone praise it and at the same time hate Koikimo Be consistent boiz |
NaughtySempaiJun 2, 2021 9:25 AM
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| "what pisses me off more is seeing that people enjoy it but are actually embarrassed to say so because of all the hate it got." Bruh I am pretty vocal with loving this show despite the hate trend from the misconception of not understanding the meaning of pedophilia that people label this show as. I advice a lot of you to actually do a quick google search on what that word actually means, unless a lot of you really think Ichika is a child or has not undergone through puberty. Whenever people see an age gap anime where the male is the one older people starts hating it and uses every slang word in their vocabulary to shit on it, get over yourselves, there aint nothing wrong with having an age gap that isnt that far apart, and yes 10 years is NOT that far apart (and before anyone twists this and says "then a 10 yr old going out with a 20 yr old would be ok for you huh?" no dipshit thats not the point.) NaughtySempai said: All the haters just tell me one thing did you liked the garden of words Cuz both have almost same age gap But yet just because it has more beautiful visuals and. It is "MAKOTO SHINKAI" Film AND age gap is between YOUNG boy and OLD Girl, so everyone praise it at the same time hate Koikimo Be consistent boiz They're ok with that cause its the female thats older, they only have a problem with it when its the other way around. |
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-Stray said: "what pisses me off more is seeing that people enjoy it but are actually embarrassed to say so because of all the hate it got." Bruh I am pretty vocal with loving this show despite the hate trend from the misconception of not understanding the meaning of pedophilia that people label this show as. I advice a lot of you to actually do a quick google search on what that word actually means, unless a lot of you really think Ichika is a child or has not undergone through puberty. Whenever people see an age gap anime where the male is the one older people starts hating it and uses every slang word in their vocabulary to shit on it, get over yourselves, there aint nothing wrong with having an age gap that isnt that far apart, and yes 10 years is NOT that far apart (and before anyone twists this and says "then a 10 yr old going out with a 20 yr old would be ok for you huh?" no dipshit thats not the point.) NaughtySempai said: All the haters just tell me one thing did you liked the garden of words Cuz both have almost same age gap But yet just because it has more beautiful visuals and. It is "MAKOTO SHINKAI" Film AND age gap is between YOUNG boy and OLD Girl, so everyone praise it at the same time hate Koikimo Be consistent boiz They're ok with that cause its the female thats older, they only have a problem with it when its the other way around. yes i love this show at first i started it as a alternative to higehiro cuz i wanted to binge that BUT now i am totally loving it also there's real life incident that our county's top actress named Priyanka chopra got married with some 10 years younger!!! boy and literally every one were happy and accepted it |
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Linux_2020 said: There's really nothing to hate in this series, at least this show is much more better than that eyesore Higehiro... Cool, nobody asked though. |
| can't say anything about this one sinced I haven't watched, but I can agree that everything in this season is better than Nagatoro, including that series with the astronaut cats that literally has no rating i'd probably enjoy it, after all i gave tate no yuusha a 7 |
is it really worf to put things in here like nobody reads these discord ~ ganjimex |
zerokarasu said: Like in "To be hero"? Main character is completely disgusting even before the physical change. He has some redeeming points, though, which make a very interesting low budget and mediocre show.oh really?? why not change the guy into some "ugly bast**d" or maybe just typical normal guy People already say that, despite the fact it's clearly not pedophilia, since Ichika is not a prepubescent child. Actually, a show like this with an "ugly bastard" actually sounds very interesting to me. I'll google it and see if I can find some. Oh. There is Koi kaze for you. Thanks for the nice idea for a self-recommendation. |
LeviathanTheEspJun 8, 2021 2:11 AM
| I honestly don't see what reason there is to hate on this show. It was lovely and entertaining and had a great ending. the show itself talked about the "issues" with the main characters' relationship, and it was executed in an understandable manner, which made the show even better. At the end of the day, its just fiction and made for purely enjoyment. I know for myself it was really a good watch. |
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| I see ann was melting down over this anime so i gotta check it out now |
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| Why do some people hate the show ? Because they are narrow minded. Especially in the US people were groomed and brainwashed into believing 'that is right' and everything even 1 millimeter outside of that is evil incarnate. Like the same people trying to tell you '17 year olds don't know what they want yet and shouldn't even think about relationships with older people', but at the same time saying '12 year olds know if they are homosexual or not for sure'. Lol. Pick one or the other. Or better yet: Just shut the fuck up. |
I'm not reading any replies or comments directed at me at all. I know my truth and if you disagree: that's fine but i couldn't give a damn about :) |
| Somehow most of the people I agree with in this discussion also have similar anime taste. なんか面白いですね. I like this anime, just finished watching it for the second time. I tried to show it to a friend of mine, but they didn't like "the romanization of stalker / pedo behavior". I guess I can understand how people may view it like that, but somehow I personally didn't get that vibe. The obvious reason for me is already there in the first episode. We see an adult person leaving an apartment, where he spent the night with another adult - yes, he didn't enjoy it, but this at least already shows that he's pretty much a regular guy, living a regular life. Then a high school girl saves his ass. It's not like he becomes all of a sudden super creepy about her. He's not interested in her at all. She gives him her lunch, because she's worried about him, and he wasn't even that interested in eating that meal either, and I assume he only ate it, because he didn't feel good about throwing it away for no good reason. If he was a guy into young girls, it would have already happen, but nothing like that ever happened to him in the past and even now when he had a chance, he didn't fall into that behavior, because he is just not that kind of a person. And we know he is not like that, because the anime keeps telling you about how he was entirely different all his life. Then, when this girl turned down his usual behavior, something hit him. Perhaps that was the first time he felt like he reached a certain "bottom". He was saved after all. Perhaps, he wouldn't exactly die from that fall, but probably he could have been injured badly, and he was saved from all that. And on top of all that, a decent person saved him, a person who even gave him food to ensure he'll get better. And all he could think of to offer as a thank you was "I can kiss you or more if you want". All his life, all the girls surrounding him gave him the impression that his offer would be something valuable and so it is appropriate, because girls love it. And she's a girl, so she should be in heaven, right? By turning him down in such a blunt way, she made him finally understand that what he was doing up until then was wrong. And we can see that he realized it, because from that moment on he slowly becomes a better person with everyone around. I think one of the reasons I like his character, is that once he understood that he was behaving as a scumbag all this time, he decides that he wants to be near the person who won't let him be like that. A person that will see through all that bullshit and as such will keep him in check. This situation is believable to me, and I'm pretty sure he would fall for any girl, whether a high schooler or an older woman at that moment (since we know he used to date women his age up until that moment). It just happened to be a high schooler. As for the age gap - it bothers people so much, but it bothers the characters as well. Watch it through, and you'll see how they resolve it. As for him constantly sending her gifts, even though she asked him not to, and calling her - today I feel like defending the dude. His gifts are romantic (one flower a day, because of her name), he makes a whole textbook for her to succeed in exams (which she appreciates a lot), she called him first, and if she truly didn't like the guy, she would stop leading him on and would call the police. She like that he is sincere, and she mainly feels uncomfortable about all the gifts, because it's too much attention that she is not used to. But she doesn't feel uncomfortable around him, and that is what is most important. |
| He's literally harassing a minor trying to force her to go out with him when he's a grown man, y'all are fucked in the head if you think that's okay. |
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HeroicIdealism said: Lumyh said: He's literally harassing a minor trying to force her to go out with him when he's a grown man, y'all are fucked in the head if you think that's okay. Idk it seems like a fictional show but i could be wrong Fictional or not, he's still grooming a minor. Sure, it's a drawing, but that doesn't make it morally right. I'm all for taboo romance in anime and manga, not when it's forced like this. |
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| it's just that most westerners can't fathom that Asian culture is diff from theirs lmao |
| Umm, do some of these people realise this is a cartoon? Why you bringing real life into this. Even if it did happen in real life, what are you gonna do? Stop it, maybe. Tell the man it's not right, the if he has any personality like Ryou's then he'll take it into consideration and dial it back. bro, why are we thinking that this is something like a 20 year age gap, he's not a 40 year old man who's a pervert. Have you never seen an age gaped relationship, a lot of people have them. |
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Thegirlwithfish said: Have you never seen an age gaped relationship, a lot of people have them. The more I read comments in MAL threads the more I think the real question here should be; "Have you actually ANY experience with real relationships?" And with how many people here argue about some controversial topics about relationships I think the answer to this might be 'No!' in most cases. In addition to some horrendous lack of general life-experience, common sense and... well... brain-power... Usually people don't even use key-terms in their arguments correctly - what leads to people calling Nagatoro's behavior 'bullying' (Simple fact; it's not. Call it what ever you want - but the rather strict definition of bullying simply doesn't apply in the case of that anime) or like here - even in the comment above - people talking about pedophilia when refering to a setting like in this anime (Another fact; it doesn't apply in the slightest and that's nothing to do with culture or subjective interpretation, it just doesn't fit the definition of the word. So if you 'think' this scenario qualifies as such, you're simply wrong and most likely just not adequately educated to understand the meaning of words...) It doesn't make it better that many of those people are arguing from a typical US & legal perspective. So the age gap portrait in this show is not only nothing related to pedophilia, it's also nothing that has something to do with 'asian/japanese culture' - in fact most countries all over the world would rate this as at least 'non-critical' at least in the legal sense. As for cultural standards it might differ - it's something frowned upon in most european settings at least - but far from rare or even highly stigmatized. 17y/o girls dating guys in their early to mid twenties is actually rather common in most places worldwide - and it has been common for generations - so it's neither something to do with generational differences. US-standards are different though - because they are often implemented poorly - at least in some states. While the rest of the world tries to deal with the problem of age-brackets in practical application in an equally practical and realistic way, some US legislation has a highly unreasonable and unrealistic stance on it - with relationships between two people being outlawed one day while being completely okay the next. That is a misapplication of strict legal distinctions most places on earth found ways to deal with in praxis. Unfortunately in our globalized internet culture that legal praxis that got somehow adopted into social norms from a few US states is dominating the discourse for some reason. In reality that's irrelevant though - nearly all countries on earth found ways to deal with this 'conceptual' problem in a reasonable way - it's just a few (mostly) US states struggling to think like humans and find solutions. There is one thing that might be relevant as well though. There IS actually some interesting cultural shift in this regard even in europe and some asian countries. The reasons behind might be multifaceted and complicated though - at least more complicated as we could adress this HERE. There is some interesting development when it comes to how people perceive relationships in the younger generations these days. It's hard to describe in a few sentences but based on some studies and my own thoughts about it, it seems as if modern youth is way more 'homogenic' than any generation before them. There are shifts in some cultures forcing people into higher education more often - there are recent occurences homogenizing things even further with lockdowns, homelearning, etc. - urbanization in general is a factor applying here. To make it short; the results of cultural changes in this regards are that young people are more likely to be only around others of their age more often than it was common in the past. This could surely result in changes where partnerships & romantic relationships will have closer age-gaps as well - and with the standards changing, so will change the social reception of it. If that is a positive or negative development is impossible to judge - most likely it will just be change for the sake of change with all sorts of up- AND downsides leveling out themselves. It will be some sort of disconnect across generations though. It's not good if standards differ too much between generations - because it makes it hard for people to accept the standards of others. I personally find it sad that it's nearly impossible to argue REASONABLY with people about that topic any more. While most people don't see a scenario like in this anime as black & white, there is always that ONE unhinged person in the room unable to realize the nuances - calling everyone who only slightly accepts such ideas as pedo and then that's about it - there is no ground for discussion after that point. But the fact of reality simply is, that things like what is shown in this anime ARE more or less common in reality - they always were - and in reality most people try to deal reasonably with them. They keep an eye on it, since there are of course some points of concern with an age-gap like this - and if it turns out that things go smoothly and the involved parties are all adult (in behavior, not just in their biological age by year) enough for things to work out, most people are fine and accepting of it. And for those who call each and every piece of media & literature 'problematic' as long as it portraits something that makes them feel uneasy: Fine! That was most likely the point and message of it! And if you don't think you can deal with it yourself - if you can't see the shades of grey - if you think reality is just a dichotomic set of clear-cut rules - don't watch it and let it for us adults. There is enough highly simplified entertainment for kids - leave the rest for the adults if you're not there yet! |
| Well just IGNORE that stuff dude... I LOVE it... it's VERY CUTE AND WHOLESOME.... and age doesn't matter you know..as long as they both are happy it's all good 😊😘💕 |
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S-kyouya said: it's just that most westerners can't fathom that Asian culture is diff from theirs lmao It's not even Westerners but simply Americans. Just look up any age of consent discussion on reddit where unsuspecting Americans come to the realisation that Europe that is also western has vastly different rules and well cultural norms than the US. Do the same for discussions on growing up in Europe vs the US. You'll find shocked Americans who are flabbergasted by Europeans telling them that it was perfectly normal for their boyfriend/girlfriend to be in their room with a closed door (which is apparently a big deal in Prudistan), even had sleepovers in the same room and he same bed when both were still under 18. Though I think they are really shocked when they realise that European parents prefer their children to have Sex at their home, in a safe environment with freely available contraception (often bought by the parents) and not in some car or at a party. Genuinely confuses far too many Americans. No wonder they have such high teenage pregnancy rates. So this Anime. From the story I expected the worst and the first episode is a bit "oh man" but since then? I am at episode 7 and the cast is great. Unless I missed something he has not tried to force himself on her, cornered her or tried to do anything really. In fact Rio (the sister) is probably the far more problematic of the two. Idk, is something big coming up that warrants all the hate? |
| As a Gintoki and Kagura shipper, one thing I know is that westerns HATE age gaps and specially with teenagers (appereantly they call them children). Also, there are huge group who is affected by the westerns culture. However, and bad for them, anime has many age gap relationships and Japanese don't really care about the age gaps or about western culture openion. I mean if they hate romance based on Japanese culture and they want the romance to be based on the westerns culture, they should just go watch their TV shows and cartoons and leave Japanese anime alone. |
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