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FMmatron said: And here's where we need to start comparing scores, a conversation that @Ghemotoc suspiciously dropped. Why do you think SnK's score and amount of favorites got high in later seasons but not BnHA's despite the similar popularity rankings? I think that's a pretty good indication that the community mostly did indeed think that later seasons were better. How else could that be explained?@GoZha People are still clowned on for saying AoT is masterpiece. People still call it overrated as well. The only thing that changed is that the fanbase has established itself and that it grew in numbers over the years. That makes it seem more accepted because circlejerking became more prevalent with afore mentioned factors. Once again keep in mind that I am not saying that a score indicates whether a work is a masterpiece; keep the conversation on community reception |
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GoZha said: FMmatron said: And here's where we need to start comparing scores, a conversation that @Ghemotoc suspiciously dropped. Why do you think SnK's score and amount of favorites got high in later seasons but not BnHA's despite the similar popularity rankings? I think that's a pretty good indication that the community mostly did indeed think that later seasons were better. How else could that be explained?@GoZha People are still clowned on for saying AoT is masterpiece. People still call it overrated as well. The only thing that changed is that the fanbase has established itself and that it grew in numbers over the years. That makes it seem more accepted because circlejerking became more prevalent with afore mentioned factors. Once again keep in mind that I am not saying that a score indicates whether a work is a masterpiece; keep the conversation on community reception I acknowleged that. There's plot progression/ pay-off later down the line, of course these parts would be rated higher by some. The thing is that people were already showering it with highest praise possible for the great production, mystery and tension long before S3 came out. People always thought it was special since episode when things started with a bang. I'm sure you will find convincing posts in episode threads of S1 and S2. As for scores, they're merely one indication and what the large part of the community actually said another. |
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FMmatron said: You don't think a lot of people held off on calling SnK a masterpiece until the payoff that was S3p2? I've seen quite a few people say seasons 1 and 2 felt like a normal battle shounen but 3p2 was more substantive and others that their criticisms were addressed by 3p2.GoZha said: And here's where we need to start comparing scores, a conversation that @Ghemotoc suspiciously dropped. Why do you think SnK's score and amount of favorites got high in later seasons but not BnHA's despite the similar popularity rankings? I think that's a pretty good indication that the community mostly did indeed think that later seasons were better. How else could that be explained? Once again keep in mind that I am not saying that a score indicates whether a work is a masterpiece; keep the conversation on community reception I acknowleged that. There's plot progression/ pay-off later down the line, of course these parts would be rated higher by some. The thing is that people were already showering it with highest praise possible for the great production, mystery and tension long before S3 came out. People always thought it was special since episode when things started with a bang. I'm sure you will find convincing posts in episode threads of S1 and S2. As for scores, they're merely one indication and what the large part of the community actually said another. |
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GoZha said: FMmatron said: You don't think a lot of people held off on calling SnK a masterpiece until the payoff that was S3p2? I've seen quite a few people say seasons 1 and 2 felt like a normal battle shounen but 3p2 was more substantive and others that their criticisms were addressed by 3p2.I acknowleged that. There's plot progression/ pay-off later down the line, of course these parts would be rated higher by some. The thing is that people were already showering it with highest praise possible for the great production, mystery and tension long before S3 came out. People always thought it was special since episode when things started with a bang. I'm sure you will find convincing posts in episode threads of S1 and S2. As for scores, they're merely one indication and what the large part of the community actually said another. Both are a thing. People who were calling it a masterpiece before and people were calling it a masterpiece after S3. |
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GoZha said: FMmatron said: And here's where we need to start comparing scores, a conversation that @Ghemotoc suspiciously dropped. Why do you think SnK's score and amount of favorites got high in later seasons but not BnHA's despite the similar popularity rankings? I think that's a pretty good indication that the community mostly did indeed think that later seasons were better. How else could that be explained?@GoZha People are still clowned on for saying AoT is masterpiece. People still call it overrated as well. The only thing that changed is that the fanbase has established itself and that it grew in numbers over the years. That makes it seem more accepted because circlejerking became more prevalent with afore mentioned factors. Once again keep in mind that I am not saying that a score indicates whether a work is a masterpiece; keep the conversation on community reception Comparing scores 5 years later isn't going to show you anything with the tendency of scores to drop extremely sharply with time. You mentionned SAO and used its score at some point to prove it wasn't generally considered a masterpiece. Welll guess what? SAO is old, its score dropped massively once not-so-fans got around watching it. SNK's first season score DID drop sharply. It was in the top 10 when it aired. Lemme rewrite it in big: SNK s1 was top 10 on MAL after airing, and s2 was hyped like the return of the messiah on AD I could answer your specific arguments but there is no need to, because facts are enough. Once again, I have no intention of stiring drama, but rewriting history is a big nope, and presenting opinions as fact is a big nope too as far as I'm concerned. There's no real need for you to get defensive about it tho, SNK s1 was massively praised, maybe you weren't paying attention, but I don't see why you'd stick against it like it actually matters to you. Do you really care that much if people massively praised s1 and you disagree with them? Because I really don't see why that'd be a problem. I'll add that all the normie friends who recommended AoT s1 to me never mentionned the other seasons, so it's safe to say only s1 had that massive mainstream burst of popularity, too. |
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sabervergarden said: im pretty sure you two talk about animation rather than plot How bout: s3 > s4 > s1 > s2 |
Ghemotoc said: I actually didn't know that the first season was ever in the top 10. So I went checked on the wayback machine and what I found was that season 1's score peaked at #9 with a score of 8.98 in October 2013 if you want to check it yourself. But 3p2 was once #2 with a score of 9.16 at one point while it was airing and it hasn't dropped below 9.00. So the highest that szn 1 ever was is still lower than the lowest that szn3pt2 ever was. So in terms of scores, it looks like 3p2 does get more praise.GoZha said: And here's where we need to start comparing scores, a conversation that @Ghemotoc suspiciously dropped. Why do you think SnK's score and amount of favorites got high in later seasons but not BnHA's despite the similar popularity rankings? I think that's a pretty good indication that the community mostly did indeed think that later seasons were better. How else could that be explained? Once again keep in mind that I am not saying that a score indicates whether a work is a masterpiece; keep the conversation on community reception Comparing scores 5 years later isn't going to show you anything with the tendency of scores to drop extremely sharply with time. You mentionned SAO and used its score at some point to prove it wasn't generally considered a masterpiece. Welll guess what? SAO is old, its score dropped massively once not-so-fans got around watching it. SNK's first season score DID drop sharply. It was in the top 10 when it aired. Lemme rewrite it in big: SNK s1 was top 10 on MAL after airing, and s2 was hyped like the return of the messiah on AD I could answer your specific arguments but there is no need to, because facts are enough. Once again, I have no intention of stiring drama, but rewriting history is a big nope, and presenting opinions as fact is a big nope too as far as I'm concerned. There's no real need for you to get defensive about it tho, SNK s1 was massively praised, maybe you weren't paying attention, but I don't see why you'd stick against it like it actually matters to you. Do you really care that much if people massively praised s1 and you disagree with them? Because I really don't see why that'd be a problem. I'll add that all the normie friends who recommended AoT s1 to me never mentionned the other seasons, so it's safe to say only s1 had that massive mainstream burst of popularity, too. Whether specific people liked or didn't like season 1 is as big of a concern to me as it probably is to you. Why are you still discussing this with me? I'd assume it's a similar reason; we're just talking. Yes you're definitely right that season 1 got the mainstream popularity like no other season did, but that's also one of the reasons why it got so much praise. The pool of people watching was massive, so there'd be more people calling it a masterpiece or whatever than there would be for most seasonal anime, but there'd also be more people saying it's overrated as hell. In fact, when I was looking at szn 1's score on wayback machine, I did find the "overrated" threads. Off-topic note but I think the final season is in mainstream popularity right now again. 2-3 weeks ago it was the #1 most watched show in the U.S., people who I never would have imagined watching anime have watched some of it, and even the soundtrack of all things is being used in memes that are totally unrelated to SnK |
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sabervergarden said: Nah you're all wrong it's 4 > 3 > 1 > 2still not, season 4 has a better plot and characterization lol |
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