[Event] Mini Game V9: The Bachelor Mafia | Game Over - Just Crossbell

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AbuHumaid ISO

AbuHumaid said:
Is everyone a vanilla?

AbuHumaid said:

Ruu said:

I don't think so, some must have rp since Togs didn't say there were no rp (+ we have hidden abilities).

Why?

Because I rolled vanilla and thought that the only abilities there are the hidden ones, but that doesn't seem the case.

AbuHumaid said:

Phraze said:

that is ur 1st post?

Nope, I have hidden posts.

Vote: Phraze
So, how are you?

AbuHumaid said:

Phraze said:

ur post prior this is interesting. 1st post led to early claiming (or faking it). what were u hoping to accomplish?
not sure what I should answer u with concerning ur question. hmm... I assume u want to sort me early with a vote? idm that.

question: do u consider urself in rvs or not?

Nothing really, just wanted to figure the setup out, it looks like not all townies are vanilla though.

And yes, I consider myself in RVS, you don't?
Have you noticed any suspicious behavior so far?

AbuHumaid said:

Phraze said:

I see. best not to get involved in mechanics/wine tho.
I was actually asking the rvs question from a personal angle/mindset, not the gamestate atm. consider myself in rvs both ways, might change soon enough.

only thing I notice is that the thread is quiet. could be the air of good play. Ruu is posting thoughtfully.... (kinda want to change up my gameplay to match the setup too lol) nothing susp so far. maybe that 2 ppl have claimed smthing - idek if thats on the way to good play and roses lol.

True that, but I could still have an ability after claiming vanilla just to confuse mafia and make them leave me alone? No one really knows.
Yup, we have to get out of this RVS, I honestly don't get your point about scum wanting to escape the RVS as soon as possible, there's no serious scum-hunting in RVS, why would scum not like that?

Why do you think early claiming is a bad play? Can you even guarantee me and Penta are claiming our actual roles?

AbuHumaid said:
@Riku from 0 to 10, how serious is your vote for Labs?

AbuHumaid said:
Time to catch up?

AbuHumaid said:
I don't know if someone pointed this out already or not, but Ruu's #160 feels fake.
her reads are forced and based on weak evidence like gut-feeling and meta.
I get it, it was just the beginning of the game, but if she's town and confident about it, she can just say that she has no clue at the moment or something like that, why would she feel the urge to force a read? Aren't scum usually afraid of being judged for not doing anything? Sorry, but that post gave me the vibe that she's just trying to look busy.
And her paranoia about Penta's claim and my claim... it feels.... over-dramatic? IDK though, maybe that's her personality.

AbuHumaid said:

Phraze said:

I've made my points regarding rvs in #58. scum arent in a guarded mindset, or they generally are but its hard to blend in with a relaxed town, so they try to escape rvs. iirc I caught u trying to skip rvs, so u cant say that doesnt work =w=

lying as town is bad play. early claiming, and a fake one at that, is going against the given manual. //reading the instructions

I honestly still don't get the RVS thing but anyway, let's just agree to disagree because such a pointless discussion doesn't matter and doesn't progress the game. And nope, at that game I wasn't trying to escape RVS, I was just an over-excited Godfather who desperately wanted to look townie by trying to move the game on.

AbuHumaid said:

Ruu said:
@PentaFlare I'm personally against both main trains. I believe coro and riku are town. If you look at their posts you can see a town mindset behind coro's and an aggressive/defensive townie behind riku's. Do you agree?

vote: @Century_Orion I need to see more from you.

^ Anyone wants to jump on this train to help me get this kid active?

Such a cheap vote, you say your vote is to get him active, and now there's less than 2 hours for phase change and your vote is still there.
Gotta eliminate low-hanging-fruits first huh?

Vote Change: Ruu

AbuHumaid said:

Crossbell said:
PentaFlare
coromandel
AbuHumaid

Are people who I feel comfortable with as town for now.

I'm so confused as to why Rumanshi/Riku is not even reacting to my vote on them, but people say that he's town because meta, so I'm fairly conflicted here. I wanted to vote him because I was hoping he'd become more readable, but I can't exactly do that with 10 hours left in the day and I'm about ready to zzzz.

I'll try to wake up earlier tomorrow and see if I can put down my thoughts. There's been like zero actual wagon movement or much of anything to analyze and since the deadline is so close it feels almost impossible to wrangle together a mafia lynch.

Weren't you scumreading Labs? What changed from when you thought he was scum and now he's null?

Wow, was my VT claim enough to gain your trust this easily?

AbuHumaid said:
@ScarletCelestial what do you think of Ruu and Riku?

AbuHumaid said:

ScarletCelestial said:
@AbuHumaid Are you alive? There's only like 3 pages to read you can probably do that quickly. When you've read the thread, can you answer these?

1. Towniest so far?

2. Scummiest so far?

3. riku/Labs situation thoughts?

4. Penta claim thoughts, and reactions to said claim?

1. None
2. Ruu
3, Will have to go back and see what happened
(I can't focus on more than one/two players at the same time)
4. Neutral, I can't say I believe nor disbelieve him, I'm waiting for him to prove his claim. why hasn't he used his shot btw?

AbuHumaid said:
Me when I come back and find out the phase was extended:

Night 1

AbuHumaid said:
Ruu and Labs were saved, now we know who to pressure next Day phase

AbuHumaid said:
Since I don't have much time now, I'll be back later to catch up. Cya

Day 2

AbuHumaid said:
Predictable NK.

Vote: Ruu
I'll leave my vote here until I catch up and see.

AbuHumaid said:
What bothers me about Ruu is that, she's indeed suspicious but no one is defending her, no mafia would do their teammate like that and bus this early. It's too convenient for her to be scum, and that train on her last phase doesn't make it better.

@Crossbell @coromandel @ScarletCelestial can you explain your suspicions of Ruu?

AbuHumaid said:
Unvote: Ruu

Half of the players were on her train, I'll focus on someone else for now.

AbuHumaid said:
@Sleipnirr Why didn't you vote last Day and who do you suspect right now?

ScarletCelestial said:
Vote: Century_Orion

Final note for the day: Crossbell.

coromandel said:
vote change: century_orion

Why did you guys vote Century again?

AbuHumaid said:
@ScarletCelestial @coromandel if you really thought Ruu is scum, how'd you change your votes so easily? Just because Cross said it's better to lynch an inactive than an active player?

AbuHumaid said:
@ironace if you keep up this silence I'll vote you, no joke.
The only thing that's keeping me from voting you is that I don't want someone inactive to be my main focus.

AbuHumaid said:

coromandel said:

she claimed, and I wanted to give her another day. what ultimately made me change my vote was that she at least seemed like she's trying to figure out the game, and if she's town, we'd lose someone "valuable". whereas century didn't reveal his thoughts, was hard to read and didn't contribute much.
I'd have preferred ironace lynched, but there wasn't enough time to change to someone else entirely. also didn't want labs lynched because I didn't like how quickly his train had built, seemed suspicious.

Alright, fair enough.

Feb 16, 2018 12:23 PM

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Ruu ISO, part 1

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Ruu said:
Lol Togs has the best phase changes xD

Let's start with rvs:

vote: Phraze

Questions for everyone:

1) players you are wary about?
2) Do you think mafia will try to get as many roses as possible or just focus on playing normally?

Ruu said:

Phraze said:

voting me.. lol

may I ask what u hope to achieve from these questions?

obvs ;)

it's a conversation starter and it can help move the game forward + pass rvs. We need to start somewhere xD

Ruu said:

ironace said:
vote:crossbel

such a tsundere move lol

Since Cross is playing I guess Togs is the one giving away the roses right? or does that mean Cross is IC? idk it's something that popped into my head just now xD Like if Cross ends up being IC that would help us a lot because we would have a conf townie and someone that we can consider our leader...

oh, togs said this was rng so that's unlikely then...

Ruu said:
@Phraze lol I was about to do that:

1) Cross and you. I think the others I can figure out in time but you two are an enigma to me xD
2) I do think mafia will try to get as many roses as possible because hidden abilities can really help them, especially if there are vote manipulation ones or if we lynch one of them on D1/D2 and they need all the help they can get.

Ruu said:

coromandel said:

:D

If I have to..
- you
- Penta
- Labs

...for the most part.

Tbh, I used to start games with this mindset: Who's the person that's hard to read, who do I need to be wary of and focus on? But I'm starting to realize this is a load of bs. Because it doesn't matter who you think is a "good" player, who you think is good at manipulating others. What matters is: Who rolled mafia, and who didn't?
Every game has a different dynamic and at the start you never really know who it is you should be wary of the most. Good players can have bad days, "bad" players can have good days. A newbie can bite you in the *ss because you disregarded them and didn't take them seriously enough. And you may be watching the more expirienced players "too" carefully, losing sight of the real scum. So.. while I've witnessed very good scum play from the players I've listed above, I'm not *really* more wary of them, or at least not trying to be. hm.

Idk because there are many different strategies and ways of how to play as mafia.

Like in every other mafia game, they'll need to blend in with the town, so to some extent they'll have to pretend they're town and follow Crossbell's strategies. Whether they'll try hard to win Crossbell's roses, who knows.

I really like this post. You took the time and your answer doesn't seem forced.

Hopefully all this answers will help us later.
I wish we could move on from rvs but it will happen naturally I guess...

Ruu said:

Phraze said:

scum prefer to avoid rvs. right?

lol tbh I don't think it has to do with alignment. Town and scum can want the same thing, it's better to have as many interactions as possible to get reads and start trains to gather info... anything that can help us find mafia.Moving from rvs sooner rather than later is better for town imo.

Ruu said:

Crossbell said:

You liked coromandel's post. Do you think it comes more from a town mindset or a mafia mindset? Do you think that taking time to answer the question is alignment indicative?

I'm struggling to see a world where these questions would really help us at all; it's not bad as a icebreaker but in terms of actually figuring out alignments I don't think these questions will help us when flips happen?

these questions are icebreakers but in the long run can be useful imo. The post alone is NAI but every piece of information we can get from any player can help us solve the puzzle that is their alignment.

Ruu said:

Phraze said:

ok. when did u play with scum!Cross and scum!me? iirc u rep'd out when I was scum.
good point. tho I guess the roses will matter more when a teammate goes down. having the advantage of info sounds dandy enough to me.

I don't remember tbh, I need to check my other games. Because I don't know what scum!phraze or scum!cross would do if they were scum, It's why I'm wary of you two. You would take me longer to figure out.

Ruu said:
@coromandel my bad, he didn't. But now we know Cross is just another player.

How will the answers to my questions help us? We will see if they actually behave like that/ how they interact with the players they mention/ etc... I already explained that for me, everything is info in the long run. Now is NAI but later it can be useful when we are figuring out that player.

Example (since more than one people ask me this question)

Let's say, I mentioned Cross as one of the players I'm wary about but as the game progresses I don't interact with him, why is that? did I figure him out without having to talk to him? if so, how? if not, why am I not trying?

stuff like that...

Ruu said:

AbuHumaid said:
Is everyone a vanilla?

I don't think so, some must have rp since Togs didn't say there were no rp (+ we have hidden abilities).

Why?

Ruu said:
why is this thread so dead?

@AbuHumaid @Labs @Sleipnirr @ScarletCelestial @riku where are you? we could use your help here...

@PentaFlare any ideas on how to move the game forward? we can't get reads if we don't talk...

Ruu said:

PentaFlare said:

I mostly want to get answers to my question right now, but you are right that the thread is kind of dead. I don't like using mechanics to force early talk but I can if I have to.

I'm hardclaiming 1-shot Day-Cop
I'm assuming I get an extra shot if I get roses, but I'm going to ignore that for now.
I have an idea of who I should check today, but I would love to hear what others have to say too.

Okay wth... that's not the kind of reply I was expecting. Why the claim? And Why do you want to use it so early? (I assume that's why you decided to claim bc after that you turn VT right?).
If they are town, we get a confirmed townie that won't last long. If you catch scum then there scum buddies will know how to distance themselves from them and we won't get much info from the flip like we could do if we waited for the thread to be more active.
Well... since you already claimed I guess there is no point in waiting till next phase to use your ability because you will probably get target by the mafia so... good luck and please find scum so town can win the first battle!

Everybody : thoughts on Penta's move/claim?

Ruu said:

PentaFlare said:

Oh see that's the thing. I fully intend to only reveal my check results very close to the end of the phase, even if I catch scum. I'm not trying to dictate this day phase around one confirmed alignment, but I do want to hear who everyone thinks is the most important target to check. This way, I will confirm an alignment, but there will still be a days worth of content that hasn't yet been biased to judge.

Also it isn't certain I'm going to die for this. There could be a doctor in the game or the mafia could just decide not to kill the now vanilla town with no more cop checks.

I'm cool with that. I'm looking forward to see your results then!
I thought you already had a target in mind and you were planning on using your ability and telling us the results right away.

@Labs why is my post forced? Why did you suggest those targets? (I know you said CCC but it's that it?)

Ruu said:

Labs said:

Skip RVS as a whole instead.

We have to start somewhere lol

@Phraze I don't see how rvs is good for catching scum or why moving away from it quickly is bad for town...

Ruu said:

Labs said:

Last I checked, no-one is vanilla?

This isn't role madness so why do you think there are no VT? (Hidden abilites don't count as pr because you can't use them unless you get a rose from Togsbell.)

Ruu said:
Now it's my turn to go to bed. Goodnight everyone!

Ruu said:
Catching up ~

Ruu said:

riku said:

Waiting for something actually useful to come up.

This comment is so antitown but at the same time so Riku. NAI

But it's not easy to move the game forward at first so you can't expect us to do all the work.
You went after labs in a very omgus way (even if you say you gave reasons). Imo labs aproach towards you is not scummy. His vote on you made you active and gave us something to work with.

Ruu said:

Labs said:

Ruu said:

PentaFlare said:

Ruu said:

PentaFlare said:

Ruu said:
@PentaFlare any ideas on how to move the game forward? we can't get reads if we don't talk...

I mostly want to get answers to my question right now, but you are right that the thread is kind of dead. I don't like using mechanics to force early talk but I can if I have to.

I'm hardclaiming 1-shot Day-Cop
I'm assuming I get an extra shot if I get roses, but I'm going to ignore that for now.
I have an idea of who I should check today, but I would love to hear what others have to say too.

Okay wth... that's not the kind of reply I was expecting. Why the claim? And Why do you want to use it so early? (I assume that's why you decided to claim bc after that you turn VT right?).
If they are town, we get a confirmed townie that won't last long. If you catch scum then there scum buddies will know how to distance themselves from them and we won't get much info from the flip like we could do if we waited for the thread to be more active.
Well... since you already claimed I guess there is no point in waiting till next phase to use your ability because you will probably get target by the mafia so... good luck and please find scum so town can win the first battle!

Everybody : thoughts on Penta's move/claim?

Oh see that's the thing. I fully intend to only reveal my check results very close to the end of the phase, even if I catch scum. I'm not trying to dictate this day phase around one confirmed alignment, but I do want to hear who everyone thinks is the most important target to check. This way, I will confirm an alignment, but there will still be a days worth of content that hasn't yet been biased to judge.

Also it isn't certain I'm going to die for this. There could be a doctor in the game or the mafia could just decide not to kill the now vanilla town with no more cop checks.

I'm cool with that. I'm looking forward to see your results then!
I thought you already had a target in mind and you were planning on using your ability and telling us the results right away.

@Labs why is my post forced? Why did you suggest those targets? (I know you said CCC but it's that it?)

The general approach to it under early circumstances.... seems more like box ticking than anything too insightful.
*Le gasp
*Why
*Extended on why but chose to stay away from praising or bashing the idea.
*Pretty much the rest to follow was generalized "yeah well it happened and we saw it" material.

Not sure if it's just me, but one would? or should expect a little more picking it apart as as whole from whoever got to it first.
As for my own suggestions, that's obviously some of the reason.... giving the rest of it at this stage takes the point sooooo~ gl with that.

I think Penta's claim was a bad idea. I prefer the element of surprise. Claiming and giving the result.
What do you think of Phraze's comment on it? (she quoted a post where it looked like togs was vt).
Imo even if Togs claim is false I feel is still comming from Town!Togs.

Ruu said:
I know it's still early to give town reads but Scarlet ftw! Her analysis and comments scream town mindset to me (even if her gut tells her I'm scum xD ).

I don't agree with her when it comes to Labs/riku; I feel this could be town/ town (based on meta). Labs is an aggressive player and it's hard to read imo so I can't be sure but riku is behaving the same way he did in our last game so I'm seeing town!riku.

Ruu said:

PentaFlare said:
What is a good alignment indicative question you can ask someone?

can you answer your own question btw?

Because I have no idea what could be a "good alignment indicative question"

Ruu said:
@coromandel

I don't know if I would call it "pessimistic" but I'm always thinking of "worst case scenarios" and how we can avoid them. For example, if a person that can be easy to mislynch gets confirmed, I would kill them right away cause now I lost my opportunity to get a mislynch.
So how do we avoid giving mafia names to NK'd ? If you have a powerful role you need to think twice before you claim or use it, so it doesn't go to waste.
And that's why I'm not a fan of Togs claim.

And now my paranoia starts to kick in and I'm like: " day cop is a great fake claim for mafia! they can just name any townie and nobody can check if their role is real. But why fake claim so early? makes no sense... so it must come from town. And Togs is getting reactions from everyone so that's good, that's townie, but what if looking townie is his goal to get roses and pocket people and..."

so yeah, great.... I also have the same paranoia with Abu because claiming VT is NAI but - I think Cross - said that scum doesn't claim VT so early because then they can't claim a pr.... but I'm like why would they do that? it's easier to say you are VT than think of a good fake claim that you can be sure it won't get cc...

Scum reads?
My gut says Phraze but her comments about rvs and scum sound like crazy town!phraze so my brain is reading her as town while my gut as scum. Not sure who will win.
Cent is the other one, his posts are complete fluff and he is not trying to angage in conversation. Nothing that can make me feel he could be town.

Scarlet:
My town read is mostly meta. She sounds like town!scarlet. Most of my reads on D1 are from meta because there is not a lot to work with (a lot of posts doesn't mean there is a lot of content)

Ruu said:

coromandel said:

I need to stop you there because Togs is our host, Ruu! x3
You mean Penta.

You do sound paranoid, which is good because you could be town after all..? I know you're good at acting though so don't think I'll let you off the hook so easily. :P

You do not trust his claim very much and think because he claimed day cop, his claim will be hard to verify.
What do you suggest we do about him then? Where do we go from here?
Same question ^ to @ironace
Since you two seem to trust him the least.

@Ruu
Though in this post here, you said that you still think Penta's probably town: (you confused him with Togs though -.-)

Ruu said:

Labs said:

Ruu said:

PentaFlare said:

Ruu said:

PentaFlare said:

Ruu said:
@PentaFlare any ideas on how to move the game forward? we can't get reads if we don't talk...

I mostly want to get answers to my question right now, but you are right that the thread is kind of dead. I don't like using mechanics to force early talk but I can if I have to.

I'm hardclaiming 1-shot Day-Cop
I'm assuming I get an extra shot if I get roses, but I'm going to ignore that for now.
I have an idea of who I should check today, but I would love to hear what others have to say too.

Okay wth... that's not the kind of reply I was expecting. Why the claim? And Why do you want to use it so early? (I assume that's why you decided to claim bc after that you turn VT right?).
If they are town, we get a confirmed townie that won't last long. If you catch scum then there scum buddies will know how to distance themselves from them and we won't get much info from the flip like we could do if we waited for the thread to be more active.
Well... since you already claimed I guess there is no point in waiting till next phase to use your ability because you will probably get target by the mafia so... good luck and please find scum so town can win the first battle!

Everybody : thoughts on Penta's move/claim?

Oh see that's the thing. I fully intend to only reveal my check results very close to the end of the phase, even if I catch scum. I'm not trying to dictate this day phase around one confirmed alignment, but I do want to hear who everyone thinks is the most important target to check. This way, I will confirm an alignment, but there will still be a days worth of content that hasn't yet been biased to judge.

Also it isn't certain I'm going to die for this. There could be a doctor in the game or the mafia could just decide not to kill the now vanilla town with no more cop checks.

I'm cool with that. I'm looking forward to see your results then!
I thought you already had a target in mind and you were planning on using your ability and telling us the results right away.

@Labs why is my post forced? Why did you suggest those targets? (I know you said CCC but it's that it?)

The general approach to it under early circumstances.... seems more like box ticking than anything too insightful.
*Le gasp
*Why
*Extended on why but chose to stay away from praising or bashing the idea.
*Pretty much the rest to follow was generalized "yeah well it happened and we saw it" material.

Not sure if it's just me, but one would? or should expect a little more picking it apart as as whole from whoever got to it first.
As for my own suggestions, that's obviously some of the reason.... giving the rest of it at this stage takes the point sooooo~ gl with that.

I think Penta's claim was a bad idea. I prefer the element of surprise. Claiming and giving the result.
What do you think of Phraze's comment on it? (she quoted a post where it looked like togs was vt).
Imo even if Togs claim is false I feel is still coming from Town!Togs.

Also, @Ruu, how do you feel about this post from Phraze?

LMAO I don't know why I wrote Togs and not Penta xDD I guess I'm not use to penta been back (? lol no for real, idk xDD

it's not that I don't trust him.. I'm torn because his claim could be consider NAI (it can come from town or scum). What we need to consider is "why town!Penta would do this (I almost wrote togs again lol)? " and "why scum!Penta would do this".

Town!Penta:
- His claim helped the game, now we got more activity thanks to it - and that's what I wanted when I ask for his help.
- Scum will get nervous and try to avoid getting target by him
- Town will pay more attention to interactions to find scum thanks to this

Scum!Penta:
- He is now in the spotlight and if he plays his cards right he could became a town leader
- He just needs to name a townie to "prove he used his ability".
- He won't get cc by the real cop if there is one (but if there is, and they claim, now mafia has a target for the NK)
- He can pocket people with this early claim.

What we can do for now, is talk to him, questioned him and see how he reacts under pressure. That's the only way we can find out if we are dealing with town or scum.

Phraze doesn't seem worry about the claim which could mean she is town and has nothing to fear if Penta uses his ability on her, or she and Penta are buddies and she doesn't need to worry because she knows the claim is fake.

I'm cool with you suspecting me, that means we will talk more and get to find more infor about each other = get better reads. So keep the questions coming!

Ruu said:
@Phraze my gut is never related to one post but how I feel about all of them ( like I felt logic was scum on our last game because I wasn't feeling town vibes from him and I was right). It's a vibe/tone thing? idk how to explain it that's why I can't use it to build a case yet.

You are not worried about Penta's claim imo because you dismissed it pretty quickly like "okay, you claimed, let's see what this info can bring us, moving on... " - that's how I read your comment.

Ruu said:
@PentaFlare why did you decided to claim instead of questioned people? Did you get good info from the players thanks to it? ready to give us some reads?

Ruu said:
time to re-read ~

Ruu said:
unvote

not enough scummy stuff from her to keep my vote there.
At this point I would vote for Cent because of his lack of participation and opinions but I want something more solid -_-

Ruu said:
@Century_Orion thoughts on Penta's claim? true or false? how do you feel about everyone's reactions to the claim?

Ruu said:

Century_Orion said:

I'll say false until she can prove it.

If the person lynched by her role is false (If scum), then either she's lying or it's insanity

what if he finds a townie with his ability? then what? would you trust Penta or not?
and can you please answer my 3rd question?

Ruu said:
@PentaFlare I'm personally against both main trains. I believe coro and riku are town. If you look at their posts you can see a town mindset behind coro's and an aggressive/defensive townie behind riku's. Do you agree?

vote: @Century_Orion I need to see more from you.

^ Anyone wants to jump on this train to help me get this kid active?

Ruu said:
@Phraze are you gonna keep your rvs vote? is coro leaning town or scum to you?
@Labs do you still like your vote on riku? do you think his reactions to his train were townish or scummy?
@Sleipnirr where are you? I hope that you show up soon and we get to talk. It would be nice if you could give us some reads and how do you feel about this trains.
@PentaFlare @ironace @ScarletCelestial @coromandel @AbuHumaid are you keeping your votes there? would you jump on one of the three trains? if so, why? and why wouldn't you lynch the other two.

I don't have more q's for Cross or Cent because I already asked stuff to cent + my vote and Cross's vote had reasons behind it iirc. Oh but @Crossbell do you still feel the same way about riku?

@riku I'm not complaining for the help but why did you decided to pressure Cent? and do you feel there is scum on your train? (do you still think labs is mafia?)

Ruu said:
@Crossbell

- She took the time to give her thoughts on all the players (answering your question) but she didn't give a huge explanation for each one, just the basics because there wasn't a lot to work with. I think this is townie because scum tends to over explain things so their words can't be "misinterpreted" and even read way more into things to throw shade. I feel like his posts are transparent.

Labs/Riku: that's an interesting question and I wish I had a good answer. All I can think of is that mafia could be staying away from it and expecting town to work against themselves. Nobody seems to be pushing any trains too hard so it's difficult to say if they are doing anything to get them lynch.
Also, if you look at the vc this is a great situation for them. They have a tie, rng on D1 ends in no lynch so mafia could be waiting for someone to break the tie or for town to not get any info D1 from a flip. It's a win/win situation imo.

Well... if you are mafia GF or something that can't be a townie role then claiming VT early seems like the way to go imo.

I played with wolf!Scarlet once iirc (my memory is not great) and she was clumsy, made big mistakes, avoid questions... this reminds me more of the town!scarlet I know.

My reads are not set on stone but for now I would like to keep: Scarlet/Riku/Labs/ coro alive. Nothing from them screams scum and they are more useful alive than dead (and if one of them is scum then we might get them to slip or give away his partners cofcof Shin/logic cofcof)

Ruu said:
catching up

Ruu said:

Phraze said:

I'm kinda confused here. thoughtful response, but not a good suggestion.

why not?

Ruu said:

Phraze said:

methinks this could be hints of a team? clarify pls

What team? Me and Labs? I need to you be rephrase this question.

Ruu said:

AbuHumaid said:

Such a cheap vote, you say your vote is to get him active, and now there's less than 2 hours for phase change and your vote is still there.
Gotta eliminate low-hanging-fruits first huh?

Vote Change: Ruu

there is something call sleep and rl -_-

Ruu said:

ScarletCelestial said:

TBH Ruu, if the phase hadn't been extended Cent would have ended up being your vote at EoD.

I wanted him active not lynch (at least not without proof). My vote would be on Cent by EoD, that's true, but that doesn't mean I would be the one responsable for his lynch, you need more than one vote to lynch people...

@AbuHumaid when I voted for Century I said it was for pressure, I didn't push a lynch on him. That would be stupid af since we didn't have anything to work with. I want to lynch scummy people not lurkers so don't shade me with that "gotta eliminate low hanging fruit" bs...

Ruu said:

ScarletCelestial said:

Ruu, there were only three votes on Cent. Me, you and Coro. You two are both in bad timezones for EoD. If I weren't able to change my vote then he would have been lynched.

and that's my fault why?

Ruu said:

Togs said:

🌹 Vote Count 1.11 🌹

>>Day 1 Timer<<

@ScarletCelestial the last vc showed that labs was the one getting lynched so why are you and @AbuHumaid coming after me for my vote on Cent?

Ruu said:
@AbuHumaid can you please make a post with a case against me? I want to know all the reasons why you think I'm scum. I'll be happy to prove you wrong.

Ruu said:
okay, time to re-read. Ofc Phraze is voting for me smh...

Ruu said:
scum reads: iron and labs.

Labs: yeah yeah, easy target right? well, that's not why I'm calling him scum. All I could think of when I was reading his posts was "power wolfing". I remember ages ago I was mafia with @Crossbell iirc and we tried that based on an article. Mafia doesn't need to imitate town to get town read and that's what I think about when I see labs. He is aggressive and makes some strange moves (like voting for Riku and then disappearing), he doesn't go along with town, he doesn't try to sheep ideas... And because he is not trying to look townie is why he gets town read. "Town doesn't have to fake being townie so they make more scummy moves". He said my post looked forced but then he didn't pressure me... his last post was ages ago and even thou people are voting for him, do we seriously think he will get lynch? no, because he is labs and between him and Cent people would prefer Cent to be the first lynch. It's like grrr or Denja, we get used to the way they play so erratically and leave them alone when we should be pressuring them.

iron: his posts are sloppy, he is not showing any signs of trying to solve the game or engaging in conversation. I get that he is no good with questions but at least I would like to see him questioning somebody's posts. He sounds like an scared mafia that doesn't want to say the wrong thing.

vote: @Labs I will start here.

Thoughts on my scum reads?

Ruu said:

Phraze said:
Vote: Ruu
dont think Labs is the brightest train atm. aint even around tfw

why? if you are voting for me at least make a case -_-

Ruu said:

Phraze said:

hmm...
for one, its the occasion for some love <3
2nd: #214 and #228 have some of my opinions on u. u post alot yeah, but its wordy without any actual conclusion. any plans to push cases? not seeing anything (but tbf theres not much going around lol)

as for the issues with this stale gamestate, the ratio of observation vs interaction players are p lurky.

so... you suspect me because I stand out? and you put me and labs on the same pile so I guess you think we are a team? great, I'm bussing my scum buddy on D1, sounds like a good plan smh

And why didn't you like my suggestion? here . Was my explanation not enough?

Ruu said:

Century_Orion said:

Still writing, but distracted and looking at memes

still waiting...

Ruu said:

Century_Orion said:
@Ruu Just to make sure, did I answer everything you asked about Penta's claim?

no, you didn't tell me your opinion regarding how everyone reacted to the claim (if you feel they look forced, concerned, etc.)

rn all I want from you is a top 3 (or even 2), suspects list. And thoughts on the latest vc maybe.

Ruu said:

riku said:
@Ruu : Are you saying you want to lynch Labs, or that your vote will be meaningless as others won't?
The way you phrased your post looks like you would prefer a Labs lynch compared to a Century one, just because people would follow Labs lead.

???? I'm voting for Labs because I'm scum reading him. When did I say that? (bolded part).

Feb 16, 2018 12:24 PM

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Ruu ISO, part 2

Ruu said:

riku said:

"his last post was ages ago and even thou people are voting for him, do we seriously think he will get lynch? no, because he is labs and between him and Cent people would prefer Cent to be the first lynch. It's like grrr or Denja, we get used to the way they play so erratically and leave them alone when we should be pressuring them."

I just wanted to confirm you were actually scum-reading him.

yes I am. I'm also calling out the rest of the players. Players like labs always get a pass D1 because "that's typical labs". Nobody is pressuring him, why is that?

@Labs I want you here, I want you talking to us. Who is scum, who is town, century is alive what's your opinion on him? I think you are scum prove me wrong.

@Century_Orion that's all? I'm gonna be honest and it might sound hypocritical since I'm the 3rd vote but your vote looks like sheeping. Won't you question any players? don't you want to figure out if I'm town or scum?

Ruu said:

Phraze said:

not just for standing out. u post a lot, but they dont rly push anything. busywork. mild suspicion on u and Labs teaming on Riku, in that post I pointed out (cant remember which). just a suspicion, but worth clarifying. where were u bussing Labs? unless u mean ur vote now

dont like ur suggestion since its saying we keep potential scum as live. what was that about shin/logic again?

logic/osie and Shin gave each other away on our last game with a fake mason claim. So sometimes keeping someone scummy alive can help. Not always, it depends on the circumstances.
I posted a lot because nobody else was doing it lol
When did I team up with Labs against riku? I said riku was town based on his behaviour from the beginning...
I'm the 3rd vote on labs train, I'm gonna get him lynch. If he was my partner do you think I would lynch him D1?

Ruu said:
@Phraze I will never fully trust you. My gut tells me I shouldn't trust you but you haven't done anything that makes me feel confident enough to vote for you based on the feeling I have.
I wish you were a little more aggressive, your posts are so... neutral. That's the only word I can think of to describe them.
Also you are voting for someone who will get mk or replace. We have 48+ h of content and you go for a ghost? seriously?
About Cent, I don't like his posts one bit. He is MIA and when he is here, he doesn't even try to scumhunt. 8 pages of info, how come he doesn't have any good reads? All I saw from him is fluff or "idk, I didn't read it, I didn't pay a lot of attention, etc".

Ruu said:
it's 5am. I'm going to bed but I will do my best to be here in a couple of hours to read labs posts.

Personally, I would like cent, labs or iron check @PentaFlare

Ruu said:
Catching up on phone. Be patient

Ruu said:

Crossbell said:

Why do you care about being the person responsible for the Century lynch? It doesn't matter who is responsible or not - the only thing that matters is if we get a red flip.

I don't care about that. But that's what they were implying with their line of questioning. Like I was trying to lynch a lazy townie (low hanging fruit according to Abu).

Ruu said:

Crossbell said:

If Labs is power wolfing then who do you think are his scumbuddies?

I can sort of understand why you are voting him here but.. basically, him not going along with the town/not trying to sheep ideas is why you are scumreading him?

I'm in agreement with most of your scumreads though; coromandel posted a really solid case on ironace that I am currently mulling over at the moment.

I haven't think that far yet. I learned that associations before flip are bad.

I thought maybe Labs/iron but now iron is voting for labs so idk.

Ruu said:

Labs said:

Wrong one atm, Ruu first.

Should actually drop said vote I guess.
Vote: Ruu
Fite me

gladly. So your vote is not omgus because? give me a reason. I bet your buddies jump on your train just to not look suspicious. Can't wait for your flip.

Ruu said:

coromandel said:
@Ruu
Why are you voting for labs again? He's your top scum read?

[https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1706316&show=300#msg54061976]here[/url]

right now, my top scum reads are: labs, cent and iron. The first one, power wolfing; the other two lack of scumhunting, participation, crappy posts.

Ruu said:

Crossbell said:
Ruu - leaning town but worthy of re-evaluation later when flips happen. I've liked her posts, liked where her head is at WRT scumreads and such, but paranoid of her scum game. @Ruu - what would you say is the best way to read you in a particular game? If you're scum, how would people catch you versus read you accurately as town?

hard to tell. I'm not really good at reads so even if they are fake or true they might look forced sometimes. I'm very suicidal with my posts as both town and mafia too. I break under pressure when I'm mafia, fake claim stupid stuff, give up easily... idk lol you should ask the people that played with me as both.
You can ask Penta to use his shot on me if that would help xD

Ruu said:

ironace said:
I was supposed to come back and talk about why I have proof I am town.
Also defend myself. But my net has given me a middle finger((I'm writing through my phone)
So I cannot right now.
But sine you guys want me to vote. Fine.
vote labs

this is such a bad post wtf

Ruu said:
I'm getting lynch? lol I guess, I was right, labs won't get lynch D1 what a shocker...

Ruu said:

Crossbell said:
fine in lynching ironace/ruu/century

i love how you were townreading me but now you want me lynch.

Ruu said:

Crossbell said:
@ruu claim please

what's the point? the only reason I was trying so hard to look townie was to get roses so I can have some freaking power. I made a few posts that tried to show I was not a pr but I guess people didn't get it.

I'm a VT like Abu. But we all know VT claims get you lynch so...

Ruu said:
I read all the articles for nothing lol at the end trying to be a better townie made me look scummy xD

Ruu said:
vote: Century

I guess is obvious: scum read, self preservation

Ruu said:
well... I'm still getting lynch but I learned a lot from Crossbell's articles so I guess that's something xD

Ruu said:
Penta isn't here but if a doc protects him at night I want him to check me on D2. It's that okay?

Ruu said:
my prediction was right at the end: Cent got lynch before labs...

Night 1

Ruu said:
fml I should have stayed with my labs vote -_-

I guess being a VT made the game boring to him....

Doctor protect Penta.

Ruu said:

Crossbell said:

penta checked lab town

how do you reconcile these two statements

when did this happen? I totally missed the post.

Ruu said:
lol thanks xD

I guess my scum reads are useless now. Labs is town, Cent is town.... is iron town then? ughhh

24h to rethink the situation.

Day 2

Ruu said:
If anyone wants to talk just mentioned me. I will be happy to prove that I'm another boring VT that tried to get roses and failed -_-
I'm super tired but I will tell you guys my thoughts later.

Penta was the obvious NK, no surprise there... pretty useless since he was VT.

Ruu said:

Crossbell said:

You said that the doctor should protect Penta, but he died anyways. Do you think the scum would not be afraid of their NK being stopped?

and you said I shouldn't tell pr what to do lol but for real, if there is a doctor is no shocker that he didn't protect Penta.
Maybe mafia thought Penta was lying and had more than one shot (I said a similar lie in my last game to avoid getting NK). Better safe than sorry? idk

Ruu said:

Crossbell said:
Also @Ruu who do you think is scum

century flipped town, Penta flipped town. let's do a hard reset

I'm working on it. My problem with this game is that everyone is trying to look townie so idk if someone that tries too hard is mafia trying to blend in or they are trying to get roses (like me).

Give me a couple of hours and I will give you my thoughts on all the players.

pd: now that I think about it, killing penta was such a stupid move. They could have try to get him mislynch if they had played their cards right.... well that's good news for us I guess

Ruu said:
I fell asleep while I was reading the thread lmao

Ruu said:
Coro for mvp! those ISOs are great!

vote: @sleipnirr

Contrast to most players I dont read people or their intent behind the posts. Instead I usually take the concrete info and make possible situations and theories about the current state of the game and try to se which is more likely and try to question people about them subtly

I don't understand how you operate. Why do you only look at the words in a post? it's so weird... anyways, it's day 2. Are you ready to give us your thoughts? You have 12 pages of info. I don't like that you expect us to do all the work on D1 but it doesn't matter now... I want reads. Why did you ask for an extension on D1 if you were not going to participate anyways? That piqued my interest.

Feb 16, 2018 12:42 PM

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Crossbell ISO, part 1

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Crossbell said:
I can't wait to seduce myself.

Vote Crossbell

Crossbell said:

Ruu said:

1) players you are wary about?
2) Do you think mafia will try to get as many roses as possible or just focus on playing normally?

1) I'm worried about you, Scarlet, and coromandel. You have personally fooled me in the past when you have rolled mafia, and Scarlet I think played a pretty solid game in the Fate Minimash that went on at MU (plus, I don't think I've played a game with her). coromandel.. I don't think I've played a game with her as scum, but I think she's one of the more solid players on this forum?

Everyone else I more or less have experience with?

2) First off I don't even know why Togs made this lolworthy game. I think scum will focus on trying to get the roses because good town play (and therefore by extension, good scum play) involves playing pretty townie, which I've heard that this setup incentivizes.

Crossbell said:
Also, Regfan voted me for most n00b player so I have to wear this avatar for the rest of the game.

Crossbell said:
I literally have nothing to do with the setup besides Togs trolling me massively about what my waifus are or something like that.

Crossbell said:

Ruu said:

I really like this post. You took the time and your answer doesn't seem forced.

Hopefully all this answers will help us later.

You liked coromandel's post. Do you think it comes more from a town mindset or a mafia mindset? Do you think that taking time to answer the question is alignment indicative?

I'm struggling to see a world where these questions would really help us at all; it's not bad as a icebreaker but in terms of actually figuring out alignments I don't think these questions will help us when flips happen?

Crossbell said:
I am not confirmed town.

Town, yes, but I am not an IC.

Crossbell said:
No roses. I am a player in this game.

Togs will be the one giving them out I assume?

Crossbell said:
@Togs Scarlet is voting.

Catching up right now, was very busy yesterday.

Crossbell said:
*skips flavor*

--

Liking PentaFlare's first couple of posts; he's interested in progressing the game and trying to move it forward out of RVS. This is an early game read, of course, but I think I can read him with fairly decent accuracy as the game progresses.

I have ~thoughts~ on Penta's claim but I'm going to withhold them for now until the gamestate has advanced a little more.

As for who you should use the daycop on? I always like to use cops/investigative roles to check the strongest player in the game. If they flip scum, great, you've gotten the strongest member of the team probably. If they flip town, then you know who to trust and who to listen to/who you can bounce reads off on.

Abu also seems town because locking himself into early vanilla claim is something that scum does.. rarely.

Not really sure what to make of riku/Labs early slapfight. Riku seems intentionally trying to position himself as low-hanging fruit by saying that he's here without doing much of anything, and Labs voted Riku to make Riku useful, which seems like what I would do in this situation, and feels like a fairly reasonable vote. Unsure if I like Riku's response, though?

His response to Lab feels like he is trying to overexplain/overjustify his vote on Labs, which feels wrong because Labs is the person that he is scumreading, so - why try to justify yourself to the person you think is scum? Just not a much of a fan of 133 at all because it doesn't really show much solving or trying to figure game out, just "I'm scum I'm going to defend myself". In the interest of having something we can talk about:

Unvote; Vote Riku

@Riku you were Rumanshi from MTGS, right?

Crossbell said:

riku said:

Can't went there's fucking nothing to go off.

There have been roughly around 100 posts of content thus far, why do you think there is nothing to go off on? If you wait until later in the game in order to analyze posts then you're making the game more difficult for yourself (because you will be ignoring half of the posts in this game) and making the game more difficult for others (because we can't discern your alignment and may lynch you for it).

Do you have any reads or thoughts on Phraze or myself so far?

Crossbell said:
@ScarletCelestial

Got any thoughts on Non-Riku/Labs players so far?

Crossbell said:
Thanks.

I agree that Abu's claim is weird, and I don't really see much content from him yet, but locking himself into a vanilla claim feels pretty rough if he's scum since he wants to keep the possibility of him fakeclaiming open. Plus, I feel like Abu as scum would not go with that opener? I think he knows enough of mafia to know that opening like that is scum would immediately get him questioned/suspected right off the bat, so he might be more inclined to make that opening post more as town rather than mafia, since he would probably be self conscious about it.

As for Century, don't mind people shiptoasting and trolling here and there as long as they're also scumhunting and putting some content down to go with it. If I've got enough game related stuff to get a solid read on you from and I can understand your headspace I'm happy. Century hasn't really done much of the latter part, which merits investigation later on.

Haven't got much from ironace at the moment, maybe when I'm not being hit by a truckload of work right now I will look over his posts.

Is there anyone who you think is currently mafia thus far?

Crossbell said:
I'll do some more thorough analysis in ~11 hours, hoping there's much more content in the thread to work with by then.

Until then expect drive by posts from me as I procrastinate actual work by playing mafia.

Crossbell said:
Shoot, there's only 10 hours until EoD?

Man I was really hoping to be pretty methodical and work my way through this game slowly but I guess that won't happen.

Catching up.

Crossbell said:

Ruu said:
I know it's still early to give town reads but Scarlet ftw! Her analysis and comments scream town mindset to me (even if her gut tells her I'm scum xD ).

Can you explain what in her analysis/comments screams town mindset to you? I think that she's been fairly reasonable and easy to work with but nothing's been screaming town for me yet. As coro says, her analysis is a bit "basic" (which I don't necessarily agree with, but I want to hear what specific parts of Scarlet's analysis you like)

Ruu said:
I don't agree with her when it comes to Labs/riku; I feel this could be town/ town (based on meta). Labs is an aggressive player and it's hard to read imo so I can't be sure but riku is behaving the same way he did in our last game so I'm seeing town!riku.

If you think Riku/Labs is town/town then who is the scum trying to take advantage of that fact?

Crossbell said:

Ruu said:
so yeah, great.... I also have the same paranoia with Abu because claiming VT is NAI but - I think Cross - said that scum doesn't claim VT so early because then they can't claim a pr.... but I'm like why would they do that? it's easier to say you are VT than think of a good fake claim that you can be sure it won't get cc...

Because vanilla claims get you lynched since you can't prove your role. Scum don't want to be lynched - they will claim basically anything in order to get out of it. Sure, scum can claim vanilla, but that means that they have to be judged by their behavior.

Ruu said:
My town read is mostly meta. She sounds like town!scarlet. Most of my reads on D1 are from meta because there is not a lot to work with (a lot of posts doesn't mean there is a lot of content)

Have you played with mafia!Scarlet before?

Crossbell said:
Catching up.

Crossbell said:

Ruu said:
- She took the time to give her thoughts on all the players (answering your question) but she didn't give a huge explanation for each one, just the basics because there wasn't a lot to work with. I think this is townie because scum tends to over explain things so their words can't be "misinterpreted" and even read way more into things to throw shade. I feel like his posts are transparent.

Thanks Ruu for this; your reasoning makes sense. Your point about scum tending to overexplain things is a pretty good one.

Ruu said:
I played with wolf!Scarlet once iirc (my memory is not great) and she was clumsy, made big mistakes, avoid questions... this reminds me more of the town!scarlet I know.

Huh really? Most of my memory of her comes from the Fate Minimash where she played fairly solidly until she suicide bombed but I didn't read too much of that game so I can't make a super accurate judgement call on this.

Riku said:
Why would I when your entire thinking process was wine.

Still, you can ask me questions in order to figure out my alignment! Don't dismiss me because you think that my entire thought process is WiFOM.

Riku said:
Because I found someone I found scummier.

So just because of that, Labs was moved up to null?

Crossbell said:

Phraze said:
didnt u say 100 posts was enough to get things done? ur contradicting urself

I was a little unclear about this.

100 posts is more than enough to generate content. 250 posts to decide a lynch is not enough, though (which is what we're trying to do here). I've ended Day 1s with 3000 posts before. This is not enough to make an accurate judgement call on who we want to lynch.

Crossbell said:
I haven't played on this site in a while, man my reading skills must be rusty.

When Night begins I will try and explain this gamestate out to myself to see if I can solidify my reads on some players.

@Togs - I'm the bachelor here, give me an extension.

Crossbell said:

AbuHumaid said:
I don't know if someone pointed this out already or not, but Ruu's #160 feels fake.
her reads are forced and based on weak evidence like gut-feeling and meta.
I get it, it was just the beginning of the game, but if she's town and confident about it, she can just say that she has no clue at the moment or something like that, why would she feel the urge to force a read? Aren't scum usually afraid of being judged for not doing anything? Sorry, but that post gave me the vibe that she's just trying to look busy.
And her paranoia about Penta's claim and my claim... it feels.... over-dramatic? IDK though, maybe that's her personality.

If you truly believe all of this, why are you not voting Ruu? Why is your vote on Phraze?

Crossbell said:

AbuHumaid said:
Wow, was my VT claim enough to gain your trust this easily?

I don't think you as scum would fish at the beginning of the game and then lock yourself into a vanilla claim. It's a very thin read but for Day 1 that will have to do.

Crossbell said:

ScarletCelestial said:

@Crossbell ^

Thanks, didn't catch that.

I really need to write out my read on Ruu. I have her penciled in as a player who is more talented when playing as scum than playing as town, and due to that she gets pressured/mislynched easily. I have been pocketed by her before, but I don't have a great handle on the differences of her towngame and scumgame in order to accurately get a bead on her alignment.

Crossbell said:
No idea who to vote now.

I'm not lynching Scarlet, Abu, Penta, Coro. I think they've provided cogent thoughts and have been fairly townie.

Ruu/Riku/Labs/Century/Ironace/Phraze/Sleip.

Really want to write out my read on Ruu as I mentioned. Unsure about lynching.

Riku..... I voted him to pressure him but I am not sure if I want to actually /lynch/ him, especially because people say that he is in his town meta (?).

Labs pretty much showed up for yesterday night and has not come back. His posts weren't the worst? But not being around in a 24 hour period is not a good look.

Century hasn't really done anything but a lynch on him just does pretty little. He flips town, we have zero interactions to base our play on for D2 because he's a lurker and hasn't contributed anything, which means that anyone can justify a vote on him. Ditto if he flips scum - I mean, great, but we'll have pretty much no interactions to attempt to narrow this down based on.

Ironace is someone who I have not read most of his posts closely. All I know is that he has a lot of townreads and very little scumreads?

I really wish Phraze used proper grammar but she's probably the towniest of this pile? There are a couple of posts that I noted down as having some townie tone, I can grab them if needed. Reading her posts makes my head spin though.

Sleip has contributed nothing and is overly focused on Penta's cop claim. Similar to a century lynch where if we lynch him we literally have accomplished nothing this Day phase and yay coin flip.

Crossbell said:

ScarletCelestial said:
@Crossbell - One word answer. Is Ruu Mafia or Town in your eyes at current?

Literally have no idea.

I guess gun to head, town because her posts have been pretty thoughtful and she has solid reasoning to back it up, but I don't have much experience reading her. Haven't played on this site in months, etc.

That's not a one word answer but I don't do one word answers.

Crossbell said:
Unvote, vote Labs

Guess I'm fine with this? Not being around in 24 hours like I said is not a good look, and I've had luck with lynching people who literally aren't here in the past.

Crossbell said:

Sleipnirr said:
@crossbell we have playe together and you know that I wont contribute anything anytime soon unless something picks my interest which is quiet unlikely since I have no self confidence and just lay back.

Crossbell said:

ScarletCelestial said:

What about Labs did you dislike?

> Labs pretty much showed up for yesterday night and has not come back. His posts weren't the worst? But not being around in a 24 hour period is not a good look.

Crossbell said:

Togs said:

>>Day 1 Timer<<[/center]

Crossbell said:

ScarletCelestial said:

I meant other than the disappearance act. If you don't have anything much against them, then why are you voting Labs?

Don't feel comfortable voting Riku because I voted him mostly to see what his reaction would be + to get a better read on him. With so many people saying that this is his town game (I think?) I want to back off.

In town Riku worlds scum Lab becomes more likely, plus I want an actual wagon to form so people take frickin stances over the 2 2 2 split we currently have.

Crossbell said:
Request Extension

Crossbell said:
people should request an extension in the next 9 minutes pl0x or you're all noobs

Crossbell said:
please

Crossbell said:
regfan must be rolling around laughing right now

Crossbell said:

ironace said:

regfan?

he's a mafia player who loves to troll me

he's responsible for my current avatar

Crossbell said:
Catching up.

Crossbell said:
Going to try and solidify my reads on players/share what I think about the gamestate right now because of the extension, in an attempt to have a fairly productive EoD instead of the panicking we had earlier today.

Crossbell said:

Ruu said:
I wanted him active not lynch (at least not without proof). My vote would be on Cent by EoD, that's true, but that doesn't mean I would be the one responsable for his lynch, you need more than one vote to lynch people...

Why do you care about being the person responsible for the Century lynch? It doesn't matter who is responsible or not - the only thing that matters is if we get a red flip.

Crossbell said:
Man, why are there so many players it feels like who literally do not care about the outcome of the game?

Sleip/ironace are both like "man D1 sucks and I'm not good at the game so I'm just not going to do anything" -> that does not help us win the game nor does it help us figure out your alignment. You signed up for a game, you should be obliged to play it. Saying that you're "bad at D1" makes zero sense. D1 is the day you have the most information, because every single player is posting. Hard information is just a crutch. Sure, it's nice, but it's not what mafia is about.

Crossbell said:

Ruu said:
Labs: yeah yeah, easy target right? well, that's not why I'm calling him scum. All I could think of when I was reading his posts was "power wolfing". I remember ages ago I was mafia with @Crossbell iirc and we tried that based on an article. Mafia doesn't need to imitate town to get town read and that's what I think about when I see labs. He is aggressive and makes some strange moves (like voting for Riku and then disappearing), he doesn't go along with town, he doesn't try to sheep ideas... And because he is not trying to look townie is why he gets town read. "Town doesn't have to fake being townie so they make more scummy moves". He said my post looked forced but then he didn't pressure me... his last post was ages ago and even thou people are voting for him, do we seriously think he will get lynch? no, because he is labs and between him and Cent people would prefer Cent to be the first lynch. It's like grrr or Denja, we get used to the way they play so erratically and leave them alone when we should be pressuring them.

If Labs is power wolfing then who do you think are his scumbuddies?

I can sort of understand why you are voting him here but.. basically, him not going along with the town/not trying to sheep ideas is why you are scumreading him?

I'm in agreement with most of your scumreads though; coromandel posted a really solid case on ironace that I am currently mulling over at the moment.

Crossbell said:

Riku said:

@ScarletCelestial @Crossbell
I dislike your votes simply for inactivity. Now that more content has been posted, what is your opinion? Are your votes on Labs still appropriate?

I mean, Labs simply not Being Around is not a great look for him.

I am currently looking at ironace because coro's case is really solid, but I'm going to try and type out the gamestate for myself to see where I end up.

Crossbell said:

Phraze said:

#139 has the gamestate advanced enough for u to give ur thoughts on Penta?
#254 so u mean 100 can get reads, but u need more for a lynch?
#264 revisit. ask if u wanna clarify, at least we get stuff to figure out. why do my posts make u confused?

139 - I'll give out more information when he decides to share more information regarding his cop claim. Until he does, I don't feel compelled to reveal my hand here.

254 - Yeah. 100 posts is enough to generate content and to ask questions and to get reads. But to make an accurate lynch? No.

264 - Your posts make me kind of confused because I can't track a solid thought process when I read your posts, and the imperfect grammar exacerbates that. When I read your posts, I can see glimmers of a townie tone, but I can't track everything and determine if what you are thinking is genuine or faked.

Crossbell said:
Oh my god this font size makes MAL so much easier to use.

OK, gimme some time to get up a reads list and explain the current gamestate to myself.

Feb 16, 2018 12:43 PM

#605

Chaos is good for the town.

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Crossbell ISO, part 2

- page 9 to 13 -

Crossbell said:
Okay, I'm going with very surface level reads as of right now because I think that will be healthier for the gamestate. No second guessing myself, just a very surgical look of posts and conclusions.

Century_Orion: Votes coromandel in #66 as his RVS vote, states that coro will be a placeholder until he figures out who to vote. Has a feeling Phraze might be town based off of meta. Talks about PentaFlare's claim and says that it is false but doesn't really pressure or question Penta about it. Has no one that he thinks is scum/mafia. Then he "catches up" by attempting to analyze the Labs/Riku debacle early game, but:

Century_Orion said:

It's hard to have the time to carefully read these posts . I just find it difficult in general on spotting scum players. Even for the previous games, I mostly sheeped and went for the highest vote.

I'll try to summarize the Riku/Labs thing.

I'm not even sure why he wanted to vote him in the first place. When I see their first conversation in the thread, it looks like Labs is telling Riku to be of some use, but there was nobody to suspect yet because the game had just started, according to Riku.

This sounds reasonable.

I think he's saying he wants to see more activity from Riku by pressuring him with an RVS vote? I guess it would be better to vote while following up with a question, but he didn't appear to follow up with one, so Riku blames him for getting Phraze into voting him without any reason.

Labs said he did provide info which I think I have not seen yet and blames Riku for OMGUS. It could be OMGUS because it looks like he's defending himself with a vote back, but I feel that Riku's argument is more justifiable here. However, after reading this argument, I feel more of a town vibe from Riku more than Labs. But maybe (and I have no evidence to back this up), they're both town with different gamestyles, and Riku is kind of a short tempered player, I guess. I think I saw the same behaviour before in a recent maf game.

I said Penta's claim could be false because there was no proof to her claim, so I want to see proof by her using her ability. We get an alignment for a person. If it's scum, then lynch that player and see the alignment. If she's wrong, she's either lying or insane. If it's town, we could lynch one of them and if they come up town, then the other is probably conf town.

Basically what I'm saying is that you could believe her claim but take it with a grain of salt.

This is the best I can do, procrastinating and writing this since 7-8:25 PM

I don't have the intent to lynch Coromandel. He was pretty much a placeholder, but I feel like Labs would be the better vote for now.

Change Vote: Labs

This post doesn't have a SINGLE REASON as to why century suspects Lab. He just sheeps the wagon saying that Lab is the "better vote for now". That feels massively disingenuous to me.

Century_Orion said:

The only people I read about were the people asking me questions and who else the questions were concerned with, and tbh, idk what kind of questions I should ask to be able to figure out who's scum and town. It's a little easier answering questions rather than asking them. Maybe tomorrow, when I have the time, I could try looking into other players and saying what I think about them.

I also read whatever I'm mentioned in or has my name in it when I Ctrl+F it every now and then.

Admits that he doesn't ask questions, but mostly just answers questions. Thing I'm having trouble seeing is that he says that he doesn't know what kind of questions he should ask to figure out who is scum or town. Is that from a town or scum mindset? It's a newbie mindset, but I don't know what alignment it actually comes from.

Thinking mafia for now, he's showing very little incentive to actually scumhunt or ask questions but then again he could just be newb town. Coinflip yay.

AbuHumaid: Asks if everyone is vanilla because he is vanilla as well. I find this risky to scum Abu pull off at the beginning of the game because he doesn't know the role composition, so it feels like he's coming from more of a genuine place, if that makes sense? He's scumreading Ruu for overexplaining her suspicions of Penta. That's about it. I'll keep more of an eye on this slot because he actually hasn't done much upon reread but I'd be a little surprised if his first three posts came from him as scum, personally think that he would go for a more safer opening as scum. Plus, he's not really following up on his questions.

Null/leaning town. Was town prior to reread, trending down because he hasn't done much except pressure Ruu

PentaFlare: Asks others what's a good alignment indicative question to ask. @PentaFlare - what was your reasoning for asking this to others? Is it simply to break the ice? He's claiming one shot cop which is honestly self-resolving in terms of alignment because if he has that role then he's probably town. Really like post 188, he's trying to sit down and work with ironace which is good in my book. Good analysis of coromandel in 191. 321 shows that he's actively trying to improve his reads. One thing I'm not understanding is his suspicion of Phraze. @PentaFlare why are you suspecting Phraze?

Leaning town

Phraze: Votes coro because paranoia in RVS. Kind of like her question to coro where she says "what have you learned from playing against me as scum" which I find to be a pretty interesting question. General thing I'm getting from her posts is that she's commenting on posts and being very neutral about it, which.. idk. She's like, quoting a post, then asking a softball question, then rinse+repeat. Also like 228 where she lays out gamestate summary to make things easier for herself and others. I don't know.. though. I have trouble getting insight into her actual thought process for some reason, but I like how she is asking "what are you trying to accomplish" to people if that makes sense?

Light town

Labs: Glad he's back, but he's in a similar spot with Phraze where he doesn't use proper grammar and it's screwing with my ability to actually read him. Gut says that because he is the most voted player he is probably not scum but that's unreliable. I don't have much experience actually reading him and I.. am not going to try right now when it's 3 am at night and I have class in 5 hours.

Null, gun to head town since he start posting again and has fairly reasonable posts + everyone is voting him/his wagon built up very quickly

Sleipnirr: Literally has not contributed anything this day phase and is fairly focused on Penta's claim. Plus he won't.. provide content of his own which makes him annoying to read.

Coin flip yay

ScarletCelestial: Playing very solidly. Liking where her mind is at the moment because of her test she gave to Century; don't think she thinks of that as scum. Been transparent with reads and thought process. Feel comfortable with her as of right now.

Leaning town

Dashing off these last few because I want to go to sleep.

Ruu - leaning town but worthy of re-evaluation later when flips happen. I've liked her posts, liked where her head is at WRT scumreads and such, but paranoid of her scum game. @Ruu - what would you say is the best way to read you in a particular game? If you're scum, how would people catch you versus read you accurately as town?

Riku - No idea where his head is at at the moment, want to read his posts when It's not 3 AM at night.

Coromandel: Very town because of ironace analysis.

Ironace - I agree with most of the reasoning put forth by coromandel about ironace possibly being scum. Doesn't feel like he's invested in the game, and not actually scumhunting. Worthy of pressure at the moment.

Crossbell said:
TOWN: Crossbell
LEANING TOWN: PentaFlare, ScarletCelestial, Coromandel (S -> W) Ruu, Phraze, Abu
NULL: Sleipnirr, Labs, Riku
SCUM: Ironace, Century

Vote Century_Orion

I think he is mafia because he voted to lynch Labs without actually providing a single reason why he thought Labs would be mafia. He just said "Labs would be the better vote for now" and wagon hopped. This feels like mafia who is trying to blend in over someone who is actively interested in lynching the bad guys.

Crossbell said:
Sleep.

I swear the worst part of playing mafia is going to bed at 3 AM and feeling like you've accomplished nothing with your day, ahahaha.

Crossbell said:
Lol.

So many people voting Labs.

Crossbell said:

Phraze said:
hmm... tied trains. I guess this will have to do

calling it a day

You're fine with the votes being tied? When this is a rule?

> Note that tied votes result in an RNG lynch between all players.

Crossbell said:
hottake is that labs is town and people are just shrug voting him because open wolfing is a thing

i want to lynch between ironace/century for basically sheeping the vote on him w/o reasoning

Crossbell said:
people who are still voting labs, explain why?

Crossbell said:

ScarletCelestial said:

This proves that Cent has not read the thread to a good standard, but I do think he's probably just a useless Townie.

@Crossbell Since I've removed Cent from who I think may be scum, it's either lynch Labs who I scumread earlier or follow my gut (instead of my head) and vote Ruu.

explain the bolded. why do you think he is town? do you think scum cent would read the game

looking forward to ruu thoughts

Crossbell said:
so when century continues to do nothing we will give him a free pass because it's in his town meta?

also what do you think about labs's most recent posts?

Crossbell said:
i just have trouble seeing somebody who has attracted votes on them + those votes having 0 reasoning attached to them actually flipping scum

Crossbell said:
lol

#easygame

let's lynch ironace and century

Crossbell said:

coromandel said:
Between Century and Labs, I'd rather lynch Century.

Vote change: Century_Orion

Though I'd prefer to lynch Ironace or Ruu, I find them scummier than Century.

Explain why you think Ruu is scum?

Crossbell said:

ScarletCelestial said:
@Crossbell Why are you so focused on getting Cent lynched over other players, when yesterday you claimed that having him lynched would generate no information for Town even if he were scum?

because he did something that I actually thought that was scummy, which was vote for labs with literally zero explanation

ditto with ironace

with the revelation that labs is town, this looks v bad for both of them

Crossbell said:
i'm fine with ironace or century as the lynch for today i think

Crossbell said:

Crossbell said:
^ this is how I feel about every MAL eod

for some reason this game exacerbates it

Crossbell said:

PentaFlare said:
Also on the same notes about those results,
Labs is town, soooooooo...

Crossbell said:
is this a cfd we are actually doing?

i guess?

Crossbell said:
Same. I was hoping to leave her until later but I guess I can do now?

Voting the person who her two major scumreads are voting is very weird + she claims that Labs is "power wolfing". Like that isn't what power wolfing is.

Crossbell said:

@ScarletCelestial @Ruu

aaaa

Crossbell said:
Unvote, vote Ruu

Claim pl0x

Crossbell said:
fine in lynching ironace/ruu/century

Crossbell said:
@ruu claim please

Ruu said:

Crossbell said:
@ruu claim please

what's the point? the only reason I was trying so hard to look townie was to get roses so I can have some freaking power. I made a few posts that tried to show I was not a pr but I guess people didn't get it.

I'm a VT like Abu. But we all know VT claims get you lynch so...

Crossbell said:
:thinking:

Crossbell said:
Unvote vote Century

Let's lynch someone who will not be useful versus someone who can provide more content and be active as the day progresses

Crossbell said:
sort of, plus evaluate claim

Crossbell said:
eh, we'll see

kind of want to lynch the person who is not active and not posting over someone who is doing both but shrug

glgl

Crossbell said:
sorry if i screwed up here guys

but we'll see

Crossbell said:

coromandel said:

... says the person who isn't voting for anyone. >.>

ironace/sleipnirr/ruu focus for tomorrow regardless of century flip

Crossbell said:
f5f5f5f5

Crossbell said:
watch as we lynch an Important Town PR

Crossbell said:

Night 1

Crossbell said:
rip, okay

unfortunate

Crossbell said:

still think the lynch was fine; century was realistically someone who was never going to clear himself as a vanilla and we made people commit and take stances, plus I think lynching someone who is not Here vs someone who is will generally hit red most of the time

Crossbell said:

Ruu said:
fml I should have stayed with my labs vote -_-

I guess being a VT made the game boring to him....

Doctor protect Penta.

penta checked lab town

how do you reconcile these two statements

Crossbell said:

@ScarletCelestial @Ruu

aaaa

Crossbell said:

PentaFlare said:
Also on the same notes about those results,
Labs is town, soooooooo...

@Ruu

There it is.

Day 2

Crossbell said:

ScarletCelestial said:
Cross, you changed your vote around a lot EoD (though I could say the same for myself). Why?

Crossbell said:
Either way, I will need to return to the drawing board and start from scratch here.

Ruu/Ironace/Sleip would be good places to focus.

Crossbell said:

ScarletCelestial said:

Why Ruu?

She was heavily wagonned Yesterday and one of the key reasons why I wanted to keep her alive was because she would eventually be solvable by asking questions to her, while century was a slot that would never be solved because he was incapable of producing content.

Crossbell said:

Ruu said:
If anyone wants to talk just mentioned me. I will be happy to prove that I'm another boring VT that tried to get roses and failed -_-
I'm super tired but I will tell you guys my thoughts later.

Penta was the obvious NK, no surprise there... pretty useless since he was VT.

You said that the doctor should protect Penta, but he died anyways. Do you think the scum would not be afraid of their NK being stopped?

Crossbell said:
Also @Ruu who do you think is scum

century flipped town, Penta flipped town. let's do a hard reset

Crossbell said:
I don't have suspicions of her, but I /do/ want to solve her Today

since I feel like she's one of the crux points of this game, and solving her should make the gamestate a lot more clear WRT her alignment and other people's alignments

Crossbell said:
I think coromandel said that, not me. I don't care if people direct PRs or not.

Crossbell said:
nah

penta was always town there; he doesn't do this gambit if he's scum

I just NEED a touchstone to work with WRT this game and I can't find one

Crossbell said:
Thanks for those ISOs coromandel, when I get a chance I will do some analysis of those later.

Right now I feel like I need to a hard reset somewhere but.. blagh reading this game.

Feb 16, 2018 1:04 PM

#606

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Labs ISO, part 1

Labs said:

Togs said:

Hubba hubba ! With an bio like that, who wouldn’t swipe right ?

Sooo... we actually just signed-up for a quick gang-bang?
Cool

Labs said:

Ruu said:
Lol Togs has the best phase changes xD

Let's start with rvs:

vote: Phraze

Questions for everyone:

1) players you are wary about?
2) Do you think mafia will try to get as many roses as possible or just focus on playing normally?

Pretty much anyone but Lady Gaga, should be easy enough to work with/around them due to time-zones.... everyone else I've forgotten and playing catch up has not worked for me in recent times at all.
So myself? if that is an easier list to deal with.

As for the second question..... it doesn't need an answer, playing normally and getting roses should be the same thing and isn't really going to show much, asides from people that might not want to be Vanilly throughout the entirety of the game.

Labs said:

Ruu said:

obvs ;)

it's a conversation starter and it can help move the game forward + pass rvs. We need to start somewhere xD

Skip RVS as a whole instead.

Labs said:

coromandel said:

:D

If I have to..
- you
- Penta
- Labs

...for the most part.

Tbh, I used to start games with this mindset: Who's the person that's hard to read, who do I need to be wary of and focus on? But I'm starting to realize this is a load of bs. Because it doesn't matter who you think is a "good" player, who you think is good at manipulating others. What matters is: Who rolled mafia, and who didn't?
Every game has a different dynamic and at the start you never really know who it is you should be wary of the most. Good players can have bad days, "bad" players can have good days. A newbie can bite you in the *ss because you disregarded them and didn't take them seriously enough. And you may be watching the more expirienced players "too" carefully, losing sight of the real scum. So.. while I've witnessed very good scum play from the players I've listed above, I'm not *really* more wary of them, or at least not trying to be. hm.

Idk because there are many different strategies and ways of how to play as mafia.

Like in every other mafia game, they'll need to blend in with the town, so to some extend they'll have to pretend they're town and follow Crossbell's strategies. Whether they'll try hard to win Crossbell's roses, who knows.

Yee reading things that aren't players is a good idea.... I mean you'll still hit whoever is linked to it at the end of the day.
Also nice to see someone else pointing out the obvious.

Labs said:

Crossbell said:
I can't wait to seduce myself.

Vote Crossbell

Townfirmed.
Move along now.

Labs said:

Phraze said:
lol. I imagine Cross got named as bach since it flavorfully fits with the mountain of advice he usually gives about maf games. hence, selfexplanatory NAI

Named?

Labs said:

Phraze said:

scum prefer to avoid rvs. right?

One would assume the opposite.
RVS is at a base level, pointless unless a good third or so of the players know and chose to make use of it and even that relies heavily on participation.
Giving lurkers a free excuse for half or more of a phase isn't entirely optimal either :S

Labs said:

AbuHumaid said:
Is everyone a vanilla?

Last I checked, no-one is vanilla?

Labs said:

Century_Orion said:

Vote: coromandel

tf you mean 'Who are you?' We were in 2 maf games together and spoke to each other in the comments once

'century100' ring a bell?

Can't tell if bad enough to town as such due to player :S
Name should cross a bell if anything.

Labs said:

Ruu said:
why is this thread so dead?

@AbuHumaid @Labs @Sleipnirr @ScarletCelestial @riku where are you? we could use your help here...

@PentaFlare any ideas on how to move the game forward? we can't get reads if we don't talk...

There are these things called sleep, work and food.
I should I say here, due to the timing of this post?

Labs said:

PentaFlare said:

I mostly want to get answers to my question right now, but you are right that the thread is kind of dead. I don't like using mechanics to force early talk but I can if I have to.

I'm hardclaiming 1-shot Day-Cop
I'm assuming I get an extra shot if I get roses, but I'm going to ignore that for now.
I have an idea of who I should check today, but I would love to hear what others have to say too.

Ah, RIP
I was beat to it...... I mean, I'll still assume vanilly but eh I do miss players like you and Foxy :3
Suggestion wise, you should obviously his one of the following:
Coromandel
Crossbell
Century_Orion

Koz CCC

Labs said:

Ruu said:

Okay wth... that's not the kind of reply I was expecting. Why the claim? And Why do you want to use it so early? (I assume that's why you decided to claim bc after that you turn VT right?).
If they are town, we get a confirmed townie that won't last long. If you catch scum then there scum buddies will know how to distance themselves from them and we won't get much info from the flip like we could do if we waited for the thread to be more active.
Well... since you already claimed I guess there is no point in waiting till next phase to use your ability because you will probably get target by the mafia so... good luck and please find scum so town can win the first battle!

Everybody : thoughts on Penta's move/claim?

Move is/was good.

Your post seems plain and a little forced for what you're trying to point out.
He doesn't have to open his mouth the second he gets results, y'know?
The one-shot isn't the only form of pressure or lack thereof....

Labs said:

Phraze said:

wow. right off the bat xD
if u claimed means u gotta use it. dont think we have any say in it

Best plan is to not use it, delay info then slap it on someone who you would have already gone for after a phase or so worth of content.

Labs said:

Phraze said:

titular person we're fighting for ofc lol

dont think so. catching scum offguard is one of the things rvs is good for. def wont want half the lurkers to keep us from moving on, but jumping out of rvs right away doesnt help us. no wait, what made u think I was trying to say that hmm?

I mean where is this bach shit even?
Feel free to point out where if I'm blind and named as a process not who.

RVS is just added enabling for lurkers, though they will ofc remain such regardless of the free haven... but eh? how to jump out of something if you never go near it?
On a side note? Even after this post I'm not sure what you want me to think you were trying to say tbh.
I only really left a generalized blurb in ref to RVS.

Labs said:

Century_Orion said:

I was in Halloween Hostilities, Lost Village, and Sweet War maf

Hmmmm relevance?
Unless you jumped face first into OMGUS D1 in a number of those games?

Labs said:

Ruu said:

I'm cool with that. I'm looking forward to see your results then!
I thought you already had a target in mind and you were planning on using your ability and telling us the results right away.

@Labs why is my post forced? Why did you suggest those targets? (I know you said CCC but it's that it?)

The general approach to it under early circumstances.... seems more like box ticking than anything too insightful.
*Le gasp
*Why
*Extended on why but chose to stay away from praising or bashing the idea.
*Pretty much the rest to follow was generalized "yeah well it happened and we saw it" material.

Not sure if it's just me, but one would? or should expect a little more picking it apart as as whole from whoever got to it first.
As for my own suggestions, that's obviously some of the reason.... giving the rest of it at this stage takes from the point sooooo~ gl with that.

Labs said:

Century_Orion said:

Twice, but for these two currnet maf games rn
Also the games I mentioned were the only ones I played so far too.

Mmmmm that's fine but yee, ehrmmm is there anything more than OMGUS or the excuse of RVS backing it? are you even backing the vote after dropping it?
Guess I should also ask, do you even have more understanding of coro than the majority of the roster?

Labs said:

riku said:

Waiting for something actually useful to come up.

Make yourself that "something actually useful" :3

Labs said:

Ruu said:

This isn't role madness so why do you think there are no VT? (Hidden abilites don't count as pr because you can't use them unless you get a rose from Togsbell.)

That's vanilla by choice, think carefully.

Labs said:
Vote: Riku

coromandelFeb 16, 2018 1:10 PM

Feb 16, 2018 1:15 PM

#607

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Labs ISO, part 2

Labs said:

riku said:

Can't went there's fucking nothing to go off.

So no-one else can then?
Why are we even posting....
I hope you're at-least good at doing flips.

Labs said:

Phraze said:

u forgot the game u signed up for?
idk what ur trying to accomplish with blurbs but ok. just trying to figure out ur alignment

Oh ... durp, though that kind of abbreviation makes little to no sense.
As for the mention of blurbs, that was more to point out the fact it shouldn't have be directed towards any one player.... as it seemed like you were trying to throw either one of us into something that didn't exist.
Hard to tell if it's over-eagerness or something else.

Wanna drop Riku with me :3?

Labs said:

Phraze said:

hmm kk. caught scum escaping rvs before, if it says anything. (rly should find that old post about it..smday)

why Riku?

Take a look?
I'd hope I don't actually have to explain it :S

Labs said:

Phraze said:

Labs said:

Phraze said:

Labs said:

Phraze said:

Labs said:

Phraze said:

Labs said:

Phraze said:
lol. I imagine Cross got named as bach since it flavorfully fits with the mountain of advice he usually gives about maf games. hence, selfexplanatory NAI

Named?

titular person we're fighting for ofc lol

Labs said:

Phraze said:

Ruu said:
I wish we could move on from rvs but it will happen naturally I guess...

scum prefer to avoid rvs. right?

One would assume the opposite.
RVS is at a base level, pointless unless a good third or so of the players know and chose to make use of it and even that relies heavily on participation.
Giving lurkers a free excuse for half or more of a phase isn't entirely optimal either :S

dont think so. catching scum offguard is one of the things rvs is good for. def wont want half the lurkers to keep us from moving on, but jumping out of rvs right away doesnt help us. no wait, what made u think I was trying to say that hmm?

I mean where is this bach shit even?
Feel free to point out where if I'm blind and named as a process not who.

RVS is just added enabling for lurkers, though they will ofc remain such regardless of the free haven... but eh? how to jump out of something if you never go near it?
On a side note? Even after this post I'm not sure what you want me to think you were trying to say tbh.
I only really left a generalized blurb in ref to RVS.

u forgot the game u signed up for?
idk what ur trying to accomplish with blurbs but ok. just trying to figure out ur alignment

Oh ... durp, though that kind of abbreviation makes little to no sense.
As for the mention of blurbs, that was more to point out the fact it shouldn't have be directed towards any one player.... as it seemed like you were trying to throw either one of us into something that didn't exist.
Hard to tell if it's over-eagerness or something else.

Wanna drop Riku with me :3?

hmm kk. caught scum escaping rvs before, if it says anything. (rly should find that old post about it..smday)

why Riku?

Take a look?
I'd hope I don't actually have to explain it :S

poking? maybe when I wake up or smthing (gonna sleep~)

Well I do actually expect something within this phase then.

Labs said:

riku said:
Vote:Labs

In an interesting turn of events, this person has attempted to bring somebody to lynch me. This is interesting as rather than giving his own explanation, he responds 'Do I have to explain'? This is not town interaction. This is scum. They don't want to provide content, they want to convince people that town is scum based on the smallest amount of interaction. Thus, I feel that this vote is justified.

Although I suppose, I have to thank him for giving something that wasn't content that was basically useless.

Ah coot, more OMGUS and more biting without thinking or reading... I guess it helps regardless of your intent.
Expecting and allowing room for players to check interactions and think for themselves isn't a town move? Good to know.
Goes on to say something about not providing content, surely you jest.
I like the post in the end, not for the right reasons but eh.... and npnp, someone had to give you something other than RVS to ride.

Labs said:

AbuHumaid said:
@Riku from 0 to 10, how serious is your vote for Labs?

Probably low, but it'll be all you get out of them for the majority if not the entire phase.

Labs said:

ironace said:

while it sounds good on paper but the problem is that we need to trust him before that. What makes you trust him?

Where is the trust and why is it needed?
Ref to 85 if you're a little lost atm.
He's already done what he set out to and needed to for the most part, the first half at-least.... still guna have to wait for the rest to work itself into it all.

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labs and his quotes from hell.. i give up >.>

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coromandel said:
labs and his quotes from hell.. i give up >.>

lol...
can I ask ur opinions on Labs? he was almost lynched, and 'cleared' by a flipped vanilla. do u think its still credible to townread him?

Feb 16, 2018 2:30 PM

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🌹 Vote Count 2.2 🌹

💔 Sleipnirr (2) 💔 Ruu, Phraze
Ironace (1) Coromandel

💍 Not Voting (7) 💍 AbuHumaid, Labs, Sleipnirr, ScarletCelestial, Crossbell, Riku, Ironace

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Feb 16, 2018 2:38 PM

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Ruu said:
Coro for mvp! those ISOs are great!

vote: @sleipnirr

Contrast to most players I dont read people or their intent behind the posts. Instead I usually take the concrete info and make possible situations and theories about the current state of the game and try to se which is more likely and try to question people about them subtly

I don't understand how you operate. Why do you only look at the words in a post? it's so weird... anyways, it's day 2. Are you ready to give us your thoughts? You have 12 pages of info. I don't like that you expect us to do all the work on D1 but it doesn't matter now... I want reads. Why did you ask for an extension on D1 if you were not going to participate anyways? That piqued my interest.

hmm didnt notice this. we're both voting Sleip? since when were u susp of him? .-.

Feb 16, 2018 3:45 PM

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I have questions:

- Penta lied then? Does that mean he declared Labs town based on behavior and not because of a cop check?
- @AbuHumaid can you expand on #242. I want to understand... because we lynched century for not giving reads/ talking yet you say scum usually try to give reads right away to look townie. I like some of your posts because I can see how you are trying to solve the game.
- @riku I gave you town points D1 based on meta but now I need more from you to be sure of my read. Can you give me a top 3 suspects?
- Crossbell is such an enigma to me... I feel that he plays the same no matter his alignment. His post could be coming from town or scum tbh. I can't be sure of my read on him at all. Is hard no to think he is town based on the flavour and that is messing with my analysis -_- Same with phraze, they have a similar playstyle in my mind. Both sound neutral...
- what's up with @ironace , I really want to vote him based on all the sheeping he did... If he doesn't improve soon he is getting my vote.
- voting century is NAI from what I saw on the vc. Almost everyone vote for him. Except penta, iron and Abu. We know that penta is town so... iron and Abu are scum trying to not be blame for the lynch? idk, it's an idea.

Feb 16, 2018 3:48 PM

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Phraze said:

Ruu said:
Coro for mvp! those ISOs are great!

vote: @sleipnirr

I don't understand how you operate. Why do you only look at the words in a post? it's so weird... anyways, it's day 2. Are you ready to give us your thoughts? You have 12 pages of info. I don't like that you expect us to do all the work on D1 but it doesn't matter now... I want reads. Why did you ask for an extension on D1 if you were not going to participate anyways? That piqued my interest.

hmm didnt notice this. we're both voting Sleip? since when were u susp of him? .-.

Pressure vote. I want him active ASAP. I can suspect someone that hasn't post more than a couple of posts....

Feb 16, 2018 4:04 PM

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Ruu said:

Phraze said:

hmm didnt notice this. we're both voting Sleip? since when were u susp of him? .-.

Pressure vote. I want him active ASAP. I can suspect someone that hasn't post more than a couple of posts....

hmmm ok. even the ISO that Coro dug up isnt telling lol

Feb 16, 2018 4:54 PM

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Phraze said:

Ruu said:

Pressure vote. I want him active ASAP. I can suspect someone that hasn't post more than a couple of posts....

hmmm ok. even the ISO that Coro dug up isnt telling lol

why are you voting for Sleip? and can you give me other possible scums? I hate how neutral you sound xD

Feb 16, 2018 4:56 PM

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Assumptions - For my benefit
AbuHumaid
Phraze
Labs
Sleipnirr
ScarletCelestial
Crossbell
Ruu
Riku
Coromandel
Ironace

There are six people who I'm unsure about. AbuHumaid claimed a VT, so I'm not sure how to take that.
I know my role, and I have a feeling Ruu is really a town player. So, the people who were pushing Ruu for 'Trying to look too town' are suspect to me. We can't trust Labs, as penta was a vanilla townie who lied. The mafia probably thought the 1 shot cop was a lie and that there were more shots. That being said, Labs might have a role which let him commune with penta, thus the play like that. So, while I will be keeping my eye on that situation.

Vote: Ironace

"I am the Bone of my Sword
Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood
I have created over a Thousand Blades
Unaware of Loss,
Nor aware of Gain.
Withstood Pain to create Weapons, Waiting for one’s Arrival
I have no Regrets. This is the only Path
My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works"

Feb 16, 2018 5:05 PM

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Ruu said:

Phraze said:

hmmm ok. even the ISO that Coro dug up isnt telling lol

why are you voting for Sleip? and can you give me other possible scums? I hate how neutral you sound xD

same reasons as u lol. I'm still on u and Labs. Sleip for being inactive and having no stances(?) if I have to totes rethink the scumteam, then its Abu/Iron (who seem to be cruising just nicely) and one of the ghosts.

Feb 16, 2018 5:21 PM

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🌹 Vote Count 2.3 🌹

💔 Sleipnirr (2) 💔 Ruu, Phraze
💔Ironace (2) 💔 Coromandel, Riku

💍 Not Voting (6) 💍 AbuHumaid, Labs, Sleipnirr, ScarletCelestial, Crossbell, Ironace

>>Day 2 Timer<<

Feb 16, 2018 7:38 PM

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Im not going to be here for a few hours but do mention me if you have nay inquireis. I'm sure i can prove my self town. Will do so later.

Feb 16, 2018 7:47 PM

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ok. im going for a few hours. Just ping me so when i return ill be able to see and defend myself. Ill backread then as well.

Feb 16, 2018 8:12 PM

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riku said:
Assumptions - For my benefit
AbuHumaid
Phraze
Labs
Sleipnirr
ScarletCelestial
Crossbell
Ruu
Riku
Coromandel
Ironace

There are six people who I'm unsure about. AbuHumaid claimed a VT, so I'm not sure how to take that.
I know my role, and I have a feeling Ruu is really a town player. So, the people who were pushing Ruu for 'Trying to look too town' are suspect to me. We can't trust Labs, as penta was a vanilla townie who lied. The mafia probably thought the 1 shot cop was a lie and that there were more shots. That being said, Labs might have a role which let him commune with penta, thus the play like that. So, while I will be keeping my eye on that situation.

Vote: Ironace

so I'm your only town read? I don't know if this is a pocketing atempt or not.
I do agree with you when it comes to Labs and Abu.
Can you explain the colors better? black means neutral? and why did you chose iron over your other "black colored players".

Feb 16, 2018 8:24 PM

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Ruu said:

riku said:
Assumptions - For my benefit
AbuHumaid
Phraze
Labs
Sleipnirr
ScarletCelestial
Crossbell
Ruu
Riku
Coromandel
Ironace

There are six people who I'm unsure about. AbuHumaid claimed a VT, so I'm not sure how to take that.
I know my role, and I have a feeling Ruu is really a town player. So, the people who were pushing Ruu for 'Trying to look too town' are suspect to me. We can't trust Labs, as penta was a vanilla townie who lied. The mafia probably thought the 1 shot cop was a lie and that there were more shots. That being said, Labs might have a role which let him commune with penta, thus the play like that. So, while I will be keeping my eye on that situation.

Vote: Ironace

so I'm your only town read? I don't know if this is a pocketing atempt or not.
I do agree with you when it comes to Labs and Abu.
Can you explain the colors better? black means neutral? and why did you chose iron over your other "black colored players".

Not my only town read, but the only one I'm willing to share right now. Mainly due to role factors. Orange is suspicious, black is unknown and I chose iron because statistically, it's likely for him to be mafia.

"I am the Bone of my Sword
Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood
I have created over a Thousand Blades
Unaware of Loss,
Nor aware of Gain.
Withstood Pain to create Weapons, Waiting for one’s Arrival
I have no Regrets. This is the only Path
My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works"

Feb 16, 2018 8:33 PM

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Century_Orion: Riku, Phraze, Crossbell, Ruu, ScarletCelestial, Coromandel

^ these were the final people on Century on day 1 lynch. I think iron might actually be town. However, I dislike where Scarlet has ended up. Given that I was already scum-leaning her

Vote Change: ScarletCelestial

"I am the Bone of my Sword
Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood
I have created over a Thousand Blades
Unaware of Loss,
Nor aware of Gain.
Withstood Pain to create Weapons, Waiting for one’s Arrival
I have no Regrets. This is the only Path
My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works"

Feb 16, 2018 8:55 PM

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🌹 Vote Count 2.3 🌹

💔 Sleipnirr (2) 💔 Ruu, Phraze
Ironace (1) Coromandel
ScarletCelestial (1) Riku

💍 Not Voting (6) 💍 AbuHumaid, Labs, Sleipnirr, ScarletCelestial, Crossbell, Ironace

>>Day 2 Timer<<

Feb 16, 2018 10:11 PM

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Will be more active tomorrow, lots of debauchery today.

Feb 17, 2018 12:18 AM

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If no one turns up in the next hour or so, I'd like to request an extension.

"I am the Bone of my Sword
Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood
I have created over a Thousand Blades
Unaware of Loss,
Nor aware of Gain.
Withstood Pain to create Weapons, Waiting for one’s Arrival
I have no Regrets. This is the only Path
My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works"

Feb 17, 2018 1:09 AM

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requesting extension +1. guess that makes 2/3 requests (lurkers so hardcore >.>)

Vote: @Labs
now that Penta flipped vanilla, got any idea how he ended up 'townreading' u?

Feb 17, 2018 5:19 AM

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... We've basically lost nine hours to the lull.

"I am the Bone of my Sword
Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood
I have created over a Thousand Blades
Unaware of Loss,
Nor aware of Gain.
Withstood Pain to create Weapons, Waiting for one’s Arrival
I have no Regrets. This is the only Path
My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works"

Feb 17, 2018 5:28 AM

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really?
Im all up for defending myself. But no one is here at all?!
I request extension because we didnt really talk much.

Feb 17, 2018 5:29 AM

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ok, @crossbell
@coromandel
@scarletcelestial
@ruu
talk to me. What do you want form me and how can i help?

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AbuHumaid said:
@Sleipnirr Why didn't you vote last Day and who do you suspect right now?

ScarletCelestial said:
Vote: Century_Orion

Final note for the day: Crossbell.

coromandel said:
vote change: century_orion

Why did you guys vote Century again?

I didnt vote because I didnt have enough on a player to vote. If I voted someone without any scum leans it would just be a wasted vote and might have resulted in a mislynch which happened either way.

Feb 17, 2018 7:52 AM

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Ruu said:
Coro for mvp! those ISOs are great!

vote: @sleipnirr

Contrast to most players I dont read people or their intent behind the posts. Instead I usually take the concrete info and make possible situations and theories about the current state of the game and try to se which is more likely and try to question people about them subtly

I don't understand how you operate. Why do you only look at the words in a post? it's so weird... anyways, it's day 2. Are you ready to give us your thoughts? You have 12 pages of info. I don't like that you expect us to do all the work on D1 but it doesn't matter now... I want reads. Why did you ask for an extension on D1 if you were not going to participate anyways? That piqued my interest.

Well its not that I only look at the words Its just that I cant see the intent behind them. As you might know English is a second language for me so even if I know the words and grammer its hard to understand idioms and feelings behind words so I usually take them at face value. So thats why I play like this

I asked for an extension because we had too little interactions in day 1 and anymore we could get would be better afterall in day 1 since we dont have any concrete info mafia talks more and give more fals thoughts on the players without risk since its not certain who will be lynched.

About my thoughts I have none but I am pretty sure I can prove that I am town if I live to see the next day.

Feb 17, 2018 7:53 AM

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ScarletCelestial said:

coromandel said:

What do you think of Ironace, Phraze and Sleipnirr?

I don't get ace and Sleip's mindsets in general, but how little their posting is annoying so I hope we can talk to them more and sort them out.

Phraze I thought was quite Townie, though I can't remember why...

I'll probably have to deal with this game in the morning.

I am here now ask away. Though I dont exactly formed opinions if specific questions are asked I can come up with something.

Feb 17, 2018 7:55 AM

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also let me make things clear if I am lynched today without anyone giving a legit scum read I will take that as an attack on low hangin fruit and you guys should definitly check them the next phase.

Well if I live I will prove I am a townie either way so this sutiation should be a win win for town.

Feb 17, 2018 7:56 AM

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Phraze said:

coromandel said:
labs and his quotes from hell.. i give up >.>

lol...
can I ask ur opinions on Labs? he was almost lynched, and 'cleared' by a flipped vanilla. do u think its still credible to townread him?

It's a slight town read from me - I went from town-reading, then neutral, now again town-reading him again.

Two reasons:
- how fast his train built, and most people on his train seemed to be sheeping. (I'll get to that later)
- the nightkill. Based on Labs' D1 posts, I don't think he ever took Penta's claim seriously. So if I was him (and scum), I wouldn't kill the person who clears me, and who probably isn't even the Cop. Keeping the "Day Cop" alive who clears you = people probably aren't going to vote for you or target you at night, because your cleared by the Cop.
Personally, I really don't think Labs believed Penta's claim, because he himself is someone who likes to fake-claim when town. So scum-Labs had no reason to kill Penta, imo.

Feb 17, 2018 8:00 AM

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coromandel said:

Phraze said:

lol...
can I ask ur opinions on Labs? he was almost lynched, and 'cleared' by a flipped vanilla. do u think its still credible to townread him?

It's a slight town read from me - I went from town-reading, then neutral, now again town-reading him again.

Two reasons:
- how fast his train built, and most people on his train seemed to be sheeping. (I'll get to that later)
- the nightkill. Based on Labs' D1 posts, I don't think he ever took Penta's claim seriously. So if I was him (and scum), I wouldn't kill the person who clears me, and who probably isn't even the Cop. Keeping the "Day Cop" alive who clears you = people probably aren't going to vote for you or target you at night, because your cleared by the Cop.
Personally, I really don't think Labs believed Penta's claim, because he himself is someone who likes to fake-claim when town. So scum-Labs had no reason to kill Penta, imo.

someone had mentioned a possible labs/ruu scum team (I think it was phraze) what are your thoughts on that? If you town read labs does that mean you also town read ruu?

Feb 17, 2018 8:04 AM

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ironace said:
Ok its 1 am here and i decided to give it a quick read and what do you know-people ACTUALLY came and talked.

So i read quickly here(im doing my CS assignment so i need to return to that ASAP)

but i just dont see riku as scummy. From all of my games i've played with him, he has been like this. Granted, i dont know his scum meta. But imo this behavior screams TOWN riku to me. The preposterous attitude is like the town riku i know. But i guess its based off meta so take it as how you will.

And i agree with ruu. Scarlet is the towniest of all of us. And she already had reads on so many, how is he so good? ;-;

I dont have any scum reads like usual. However, if labs does indeed keep on pushing riku and i fail to see any solid reasoning then ill vote for labs.

EDIT-and since i know for a fact that if you suspect riku he ill immediately vote you back this also adds to my agrument that he is town but once again thats based off meta ...

I'd like you to elaborate on that.

ironace said:
I was supposed to come back and talk about why I have proof I am town.
Also defend myself. But my net has given me a middle finger((I'm writing through my phone)
So I cannot right now.
But sine you guys want me to vote. Fine.
vote labs

What was your reason for voting Labs?

Feb 17, 2018 8:06 AM

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ironace said:
ok, @crossbell
@coromandel
@scarletcelestial
@ruu
talk to me. What do you want form me and how can i help?

Tell me why you haven't voted for anyone yet.
Who do you suspect and why? Who are you town-reading and why?

Feb 17, 2018 8:16 AM

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@riku are you here what are your thoughts on teh players

vote riku

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coromandel said:

ironace said:
Ok its 1 am here and i decided to give it a quick read and what do you know-people ACTUALLY came and talked.

So i read quickly here(im doing my CS assignment so i need to return to that ASAP)

but i just dont see riku as scummy. From all of my games i've played with him, he has been like this. Granted, i dont know his scum meta. But imo this behavior screams TOWN riku to me. The preposterous attitude is like the town riku i know. But i guess its based off meta so take it as how you will.

And i agree with ruu. Scarlet is the towniest of all of us. And she already had reads on so many, how is he so good? ;-;

I dont have any scum reads like usual. However, if labs does indeed keep on pushing riku and i fail to see any solid reasoning then ill vote for labs.

EDIT-and since i know for a fact that if you suspect riku he ill immediately vote you back this also adds to my agrument that he is town but once again thats based off meta ...

I'd like you to elaborate on that.

ironace said:
I was supposed to come back and talk about why I have proof I am town.
Also defend myself. But my net has given me a middle finger((I'm writing through my phone)
So I cannot right now.
But sine you guys want me to vote. Fine.
vote labs

What was your reason for voting Labs?

scarlet i feel is someone who as town starts to form reads from early on and i know of her analytical skills to be quite good. At that time, i believe she was indeed trying to get the game moving which only town would like to do.
Let me ask you this instead, since people have suddenly turned and started focusing on her instead, what makes you believe she is scum?

As to why i voted labs, was because many of you were unsatisfied with me laying low-ish behavior. I just wanted the day to be over because for me, things actually begin from d2.
My vote was on a whim. It couldve been century-but i decided against it because it just didnt feel right for me. As a low hanging fruit, i dont like attacking people like me.As for why i didnt vote others, it wouldve been because you people would call out to me as it would seem scummy, as that action wouldve been as ''staying away from influencing a lynch''

Feb 17, 2018 8:24 AM

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Ruu said:
@Crossbell

- She took the time to give her thoughts on all the players (answering your question) but she didn't give a huge explanation for each one, just the basics because there wasn't a lot to work with. I think this is townie because scum tends to over explain things so their words can't be "misinterpreted" and even read way more into things to throw shade. I feel like his posts are transparent.

Labs/Riku: that's an interesting question and I wish I had a good answer. All I can think of is that mafia could be staying away from it and expecting town to work against themselves. Nobody seems to be pushing any trains too hard so it's difficult to say if they are doing anything to get them lynch.
Also, if you look at the vc this is a great situation for them. They have a tie, rng on D1 ends in no lynch so mafia could be waiting for someone to break the tie or for town to not get any info D1 from a flip. It's a win/win situation imo.

Well... if you are mafia GF or something that can't be a townie role then claiming VT early seems like the way to go imo.

I played with wolf!Scarlet once iirc (my memory is not great) and she was clumsy, made big mistakes, avoid questions... this reminds me more of the town!scarlet I know.

My reads are not set on stone but for now I would like to keep: Scarlet/Riku/Labs/ coro alive. Nothing from them screams scum and they are more useful alive than dead (and if one of them is scum then we might get them to slip or give away his partners cofcof Shin/logic cofcof)

^ Here you said you wanted to keep labs alive.
A day later you scum-read + vote for him:

Ruu said:
scum reads: iron and labs.

Labs: yeah yeah, easy target right? well, that's not why I'm calling him scum. All I could think of when I was reading his posts was "power wolfing". I remember ages ago I was mafia with @Crossbell iirc and we tried that based on an article. Mafia doesn't need to imitate town to get town read and that's what I think about when I see labs. He is aggressive and makes some strange moves (like voting for Riku and then disappearing), he doesn't go along with town, he doesn't try to sheep ideas... And because he is not trying to look townie is why he gets town read. "Town doesn't have to fake being townie so they make more scummy moves". He said my post looked forced but then he didn't pressure me... his last post was ages ago and even thou people are voting for him, do we seriously think he will get lynch? no, because he is labs and between him and Cent people would prefer Cent to be the first lynch. It's like grrr or Denja, we get used to the way they play so erratically and leave them alone when we should be pressuring them.

iron: his posts are sloppy, he is not showing any signs of trying to solve the game or engaging in conversation. I get that he is no good with questions but at least I would like to see him questioning somebody's posts. He sounds like an scared mafia that doesn't want to say the wrong thing.

vote: @Labs I will start here.

Thoughts on my scum reads?

Why?

Feb 17, 2018 8:31 AM

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Sleipnirr said:

coromandel said:

It's a slight town read from me - I went from town-reading, then neutral, now again town-reading him again.

Two reasons:
- how fast his train built, and most people on his train seemed to be sheeping. (I'll get to that later)
- the nightkill. Based on Labs' D1 posts, I don't think he ever took Penta's claim seriously. So if I was him (and scum), I wouldn't kill the person who clears me, and who probably isn't even the Cop. Keeping the "Day Cop" alive who clears you = people probably aren't going to vote for you or target you at night, because your cleared by the Cop.
Personally, I really don't think Labs believed Penta's claim, because he himself is someone who likes to fake-claim when town. So scum-Labs had no reason to kill Penta, imo.

someone had mentioned a possible labs/ruu scum team (I think it was phraze) what are your thoughts on that? If you town read labs does that mean you also town read ruu?

Because of this (your) post I just re-read Ruu's posts and searched for "Labs" and I do think she changed pretty quickly from "keeping Labs alive" to "scum reading Labs". So this is something worth looking into. But I tend not to think in scum teams this early. I'd rather look at players individually. And besides this, I'm not seeing any obvious links between the two.

So no, I'm not town-reading Ruu just because I'm town-reading Labs.
What about you?

Feb 17, 2018 8:34 AM

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coromandel said:

ironace said:
ok, @crossbell
@coromandel
@scarletcelestial
@ruu
talk to me. What do you want form me and how can i help?

Tell me why you haven't voted for anyone yet.
Who do you suspect and why? Who are you town-reading and why?

Riku for town because meta...
crossbell for town because he called out for extention and he had soo many town leans for the time-which i believe scum tend to avoid on d1.
You appear townie to me
In one game when you were IC i believe you called me out for my behaviour and voted me there as well(people didnt put much thought back then so why now?! >_< )So you strike me as town. Further more, i know a little about your scum game. I dont recall you doing ISO as scum, and in the lylo situation, your shading of me was something ..... I cant word it right.... fake..?!

I had pinged scarlet for my town lean but you people suspect her. May i ask for some clarification?
Ruu seemed townie to me, but you all seem to say that seemed fake? I mean she tried to get the game going. Tried to form reads and be active..I see nothing wrong with that.
As for phraze, tbh, him nad crossbell are the hardest people for me to figure out. But thankfully, scum wouldnt want an extention and they wouldnt throw around town leans like cross was doing. So i figured him out(i think) But i have zero idea about phraze.I want to hear more from you @phraze.
Labs is weird. I didnt like him calling out to phraze to vote with him. But i dont get why penta lied for labs. Something just doesnt make sense for me regarding penta and labs ;-;..
Sleipnirr is null for now cause he is kinda like me.

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coromandel said:

Sleipnirr said:

someone had mentioned a possible labs/ruu scum team (I think it was phraze) what are your thoughts on that? If you town read labs does that mean you also town read ruu?

Because of this (your) post I just re-read Ruu's posts and searched for "Labs" and I do think she changed pretty quickly from "keeping Labs alive" to "scum reading Labs". So this is something worth looking into. But I tend not to think in scum teams this early. I'd rather look at players individually. And besides this, I'm not seeing any obvious links between the two.

So no, I'm not town-reading Ruu just because I'm town-reading Labs.
What about you?

Not really I dont have scum reads but I have a chart where I put a + on people whose post I like. Ruu has the least amount and riku has none so I wanna check on this.

Feb 17, 2018 8:37 AM

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coromandel said:

Ruu said:
@Crossbell

- She took the time to give her thoughts on all the players (answering your question) but she didn't give a huge explanation for each one, just the basics because there wasn't a lot to work with. I think this is townie because scum tends to over explain things so their words can't be "misinterpreted" and even read way more into things to throw shade. I feel like his posts are transparent.

Labs/Riku: that's an interesting question and I wish I had a good answer. All I can think of is that mafia could be staying away from it and expecting town to work against themselves. Nobody seems to be pushing any trains too hard so it's difficult to say if they are doing anything to get them lynch.
Also, if you look at the vc this is a great situation for them. They have a tie, rng on D1 ends in no lynch so mafia could be waiting for someone to break the tie or for town to not get any info D1 from a flip. It's a win/win situation imo.

Well... if you are mafia GF or something that can't be a townie role then claiming VT early seems like the way to go imo.

I played with wolf!Scarlet once iirc (my memory is not great) and she was clumsy, made big mistakes, avoid questions... this reminds me more of the town!scarlet I know.

My reads are not set on stone but for now I would like to keep: Scarlet/Riku/Labs/ coro alive. Nothing from them screams scum and they are more useful alive than dead (and if one of them is scum then we might get them to slip or give away his partners cofcof Shin/logic cofcof)

^ Here you said you wanted to keep labs alive.
A day later you scum-read + vote for him:

Ruu said:
scum reads: iron and labs.

Labs: yeah yeah, easy target right? well, that's not why I'm calling him scum. All I could think of when I was reading his posts was "power wolfing". I remember ages ago I was mafia with @Crossbell iirc and we tried that based on an article. Mafia doesn't need to imitate town to get town read and that's what I think about when I see labs. He is aggressive and makes some strange moves (like voting for Riku and then disappearing), he doesn't go along with town, he doesn't try to sheep ideas... And because he is not trying to look townie is why he gets town read. "Town doesn't have to fake being townie so they make more scummy moves". He said my post looked forced but then he didn't pressure me... his last post was ages ago and even thou people are voting for him, do we seriously think he will get lynch? no, because he is labs and between him and Cent people would prefer Cent to be the first lynch. It's like grrr or Denja, we get used to the way they play so erratically and leave them alone when we should be pressuring them.

iron: his posts are sloppy, he is not showing any signs of trying to solve the game or engaging in conversation. I get that he is no good with questions but at least I would like to see him questioning somebody's posts. He sounds like an scared mafia that doesn't want to say the wrong thing.

vote: @Labs I will start here.

Thoughts on my scum reads?

Why?

I dont believe sum like changing their opinions so early tbh. orelse they would get caught more often lol. However @ruu i want to hear more from you before i vote.

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considering we have 20 mins till the eod I thought we would have more than 3 people where is everyone.

Feb 17, 2018 8:40 AM

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Sleipnirr said:
considering we have 20 mins till the eod I thought we would have more than 3 people where is everyone.

oh my bad we still have another day lol.

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Sleipnirr said:

Sleipnirr said:
considering we have 20 mins till the eod I thought we would have more than 3 people where is everyone.

oh my bad we still have another day lol.

what do you think of labs/ruu.
Also thought on crossbell and phraze?
those two are the toughest for me to understand properlly

Feb 17, 2018 8:45 AM

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ironace said:

Sleipnirr said:

oh my bad we still have another day lol.

what do you think of labs/ruu.
Also thought on crossbell and phraze?
those two are the toughest for me to understand properlly

well I think labs is town but I dont see any connection between the 2 of them as scum buddies aside from a certain situation which is harem. Meaning a converter role and scum converted labs so ruu had to back off. Aside from this they shouldnt be scum buddies. Though its a mystery to me how low of a + ruu has despite posting so much. Labs is just normal doesnt have too many + or too little

Cross is town to me and phraze has the second highest + so Idk town I guess.

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