💀 Vote Count 3.3 💀 💀 DarthInvader 💀 (3) // 🐩 Sollux16, Kit, Togs🐩 CADAEMOS (3) // 🐩 Crossbell, Rinto-kun, DenjaX 🐩 Crossbell (1) // 🐩 Darthvader🐩 Togs (1) // 🐩 Logic340🐩 🐩 Not Voting 🐩 CADAEMOS, Jackrito 🐩Mod Notes 🐩 This phase will last 24 hours. 🐩 Time until Night 3🐩 |
SoulEaterQUEENFeb 10, 2017 7:57 AM
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Crossbell said: I don't mind your points can you give examples to support them now?You're going to dismiss all of my points, so whatever. I think Togs is town because 1. He voted to lynch Soren Day 2 when, in the worlds where Ruu is town, it's likely that he would just keep his mouth shut and mislynch instead of making a suboptimal play there. 2. Mindmeld with me 3. Tonally town posts (him saying to play devil's advocate for him Yesterday and saying that we were on a path to complacency) |
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Crossbell said: I think the scumteam is in {Jack wen Denja} + roleblocker or jailor. I have never seen a scum jailor and is that not way too much in a basic. Also what is the point of a scum jailor |
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Jackrito said: No?Crossbell said: 💀 Bunny💀 (6) // 🐩 Kit, Logic340, Jackrito, Rinto-kun, wen294, DenjaX🐩 I still think there is scum on this wagon, by the way. {Jack wen Denja} probably? Would that not mean Ruu is scum and late save then. The wagons could still be town/town and vote analysis is still as effective. What are the chances of the scumteam being {Soren wenslot Darth}? |
Crossbell said: Funny Togs said the same thing another mindmeld?💀 Bunny💀 (6) // 🐩 Kit, Logic340, Jackrito, Rinto-kun, wen294, DenjaX🐩 I still think there is scum on this wagon, by the way. {Jack wen Denja} probably? |
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Jackrito said: I had one in my Mini, Stardust Crusaders Mafia.Crossbell said: I think the scumteam is in {Jack wen Denja} + roleblocker or jailor. I have never seen a scum jailor and is that not way too much in a basic. Also what is the point of a scum jailor The point of the scum jailor is to block kills from the town vig + be a roleblocker, as well as be a safeclaimable role. |
logic340 said: See now, I may be passive scum-hunting(or even lurking) but it doesn't matter if I call out other lurkers, as long as I'm doing a decent job. Sometimes the means don't matter for the end goal.Rinto-kun said: What do you call what happened with Ruu D1? I have a different idea of scum hunting than most and you are one of the last people who should be calling out others for not scum hunting. I have also brought up the idea that jack could be pocketing me even while having him as a town read so not sure why you say I am closed off in my town reads?Not trying to influence your opinions but you are giving jack and denja easy pass xD So far haven't seen Denja scum-hunting AT ALL |
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Jackrito said: That would be to jail the town roleblocke, vig, and cop seems to balance things out no?Crossbell said: I think the scumteam is in {Jack wen Denja} + roleblocker or jailor. I have never seen a scum jailor and is that not way too much in a basic. Also what is the point of a scum jailor |
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Crossbell said: Highly unlikely I think you/soren/togs makes more sense especially with how things are playing out.No? The wagons could still be town/town and vote analysis is still as effective. What are the chances of the scumteam being {Soren wenslot Darth}? |
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Crossbell said: No? The wagons could still be town/town and vote analysis is still as effective. What are the chances of the scumteam being {Soren wenslot Darth}? Explain to me why Soren tries to kill Ruu so much in that team. |
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logic340 said: I don't mind your points can you give examples to support them now? -> Togs said: vote: Soren I think he's scum for falling off a cliff since D1. Since he's voting for Darth I think Darth probably isn't. Togs said: I'm thinking the opposite myself, I want Soren dead and if that doesn't go well then I may have to change my mind on Ruuslot. But I have more doubts about Ruuslot, the flavor thing is weird but I agree with Cross that they seem genuinely town. I feel like lynching them is the path to complacency that we need to get off of Togs said: Play devil's advocate for me then. No one else seems to be townreading me so you're all I got. |
logic340 said: Jackrito said: That would be to jail the town roleblocke, vig, and cop seems to balance things out no?I have never seen a scum jailor and is that not way too much in a basic. Also what is the point of a scum jailor Yeah but Jailor is mainly used as protect as well though, it is what is been used to replace doc here. Scum do not need it. |
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logic340 said: Assume I'm randomly confirmed town in that scenario; how do your reads change then?Crossbell said: Highly unlikely I think you/soren/togs makes more sense especially with how things are playing out.No? The wagons could still be town/town and vote analysis is still as effective. What are the chances of the scumteam being {Soren wenslot Darth}? |
logic340 said: Crossbell said: Yes they will but it seems that my efforts pages of effort are always wasted when it comes to you.I'm protecting Togs because I think he's town. I love it, man. I vote someone who I think is scum, I get accused of bussing. I fight off a potential mislynch because I think that person is town, get accused of protecting my scumbuddies. Tell me. Are my answers going to make you re-evaluate your position on me at all, or are you just going to keep scumreading me, no matter what I say? I've told you before that your effort is very much appreciated :3 You're posting very good info on posts way back and providing a good summary. If you're salty because somebody doesn't understand you or you haven't convinced them, you should just keep being stubborn. |
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Crossbell said: Jackrito said: I had one in my Mini, Stardust Crusaders Mafia.I have never seen a scum jailor and is that not way too much in a basic. Also what is the point of a scum jailor The point of the scum jailor is to block kills from the town vig + be a roleblocker, as well as be a safeclaimable role. This is basic though, I can not see that in a basic |
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| I might not shoot Darth so If you think he is scum you better lynch him @Jackrito I don't like all the Darth defending going on. He contradicted himself on why he didn't roleblock and he claims a role he can't have while at the same time confirming the counterclaim. I don't see why we should let him live, I find it super hard to believe there is a jailor and a town roleblocker. |
Jackrito said: Good point, and that's why this game feels so difficult.Explain to me why Soren tries to kill Ruu so much in that team. Probably Soren was trying to turbo-bus here? |
Kit said: I might not shoot Darth so If you think he is scum you better lynch him @Jackrito I don't like all Darth defending going on. He contradicted himself on why he didn't roleblock and he claims a role he can't have while at the same time confirming the counterclaim. I don't see why we should let him live, I find it super hard to believe there is a jailor and a town roleblocker. So do I tbh with you here that both is unlikely , but I don't want to kill another power role, |
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Crossbell said: logic340 said: I don't mind your points can you give examples to support them now? -> Togs said: vote: Soren I think he's scum for falling off a cliff since D1. Since he's voting for Darth I think Darth probably isn't. Togs said: I'm thinking the opposite myself, I want Soren dead and if that doesn't go well then I may have to change my mind on Ruuslot. But I have more doubts about Ruuslot, the flavor thing is weird but I agree with Cross that they seem genuinely town. I feel like lynching them is the path to complacency that we need to get off of Togs said: Play devil's advocate for me then. No one else seems to be townreading me so you're all I got. 1. is not alignment indicative this could be scum telling us what is really going on with his team mate. He was a lynch candidate and if we mislynched her would likely be next. You are too good of a player to not be looking at both sides of this imo. Could be town making the right move but this isn't evidence of what you said. 2. Now that Soren is dead he is till trying to lynch ruu's spot though he said that Ruu was town off the soren flip? Contradictions much? 3. I need you to explain this one to me please? |
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Crossbell said: Rinto probably moves into that final spot and i look harder at being pocketed by jack or denjalogic340 said: Assume I'm randomly confirmed town in that scenario; how do your reads change then?Highly unlikely I think you/soren/togs makes more sense especially with how things are playing out. |
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Jackrito said: I'd like to kill a power role if that power role is scumKit said: I might not shoot Darth so If you think he is scum you better lynch him @Jackrito I don't like all Darth defending going on. He contradicted himself on why he didn't roleblock and he claims a role he can't have while at the same time confirming the counterclaim. I don't see why we should let him live, I find it super hard to believe there is a jailor and a town roleblocker. So do I tbh with you here that both is unlikely , but I don't want to kill another power role, |
| Lastly what lynch are we settling for? We've got 1 hour left. I see this becoming a huge mess with people throwing accusations left and right until 15 mins before phase change somebody proposes something else and finally people go for it in the heat of the moment... |
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Rinto-kun said: Lynch Darth so we can stop arguing about itLastly what lynch are we settling for? We've got 1 hour left. I see this becoming a huge mess with people throwing accusations left and right until 15 mins before phase change somebody proposes something else and finally people go for it in the heat of the moment... |
| 1. I think that voting scum and getting them lynched is very alignment indicative. Like, Togs /could/ be bussing, but Occam's Razor suggests that he's likely town. If he is scum, let's look elsewhere for now and re-evaluate if other people flip town. 2. New information was presented that made it more likely that Darth is scum. 3. It's a tonally town post. The tone and phrase feels townie. |
| Unvote, vote DarthInvader We have three mislynches left. I'm willing to remove a question mark off the table and re-evaluate for later. No way we have a town roleblocker AND jailor. |
Kit said: How much do you know about setup to be making that type of judgement? DarthInvader did contradict themselves a bit but I never got a clear answer on when they got the PM saying they were jailed. If they got it during the night phase i dont think that is possible and he is lying no doubt. That is why i wanted to know if the PM is the reason he didn't use his ability or if he just forgot as he stated. IDK where he lives so midnight to him is what time to me? I think Darth is town based of interactions with Soren. I may be wrong and i may look bad for it but I don't back down from what I feel is a mislynch and i have yet to save scum while fighting off what I feel is a mislynchI might not shoot Darth so If you think he is scum you better lynch him @Jackrito I don't like all the Darth defending going on. He contradicted himself on why he didn't roleblock and he claims a role he can't have while at the same time confirming the counterclaim. I don't see why we should let him live, I find it super hard to believe there is a jailor and a town roleblocker. |
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Kit said: What happens when he flips town?Rinto-kun said: Lynch Darth so we can stop arguing about itLastly what lynch are we settling for? We've got 1 hour left. I see this becoming a huge mess with people throwing accusations left and right until 15 mins before phase change somebody proposes something else and finally people go for it in the heat of the moment... |
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| Like, would you rather just spend one of our three mislynches and get rid of Darth right now so we have some reliable information or spend the entire game arguing about his alignment? I'd rather do the former, I think. |
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logic340 said: Kit said: How much do you know about setup to be making that type of judgement? DarthInvader did contradict themselves a bit but I never got a clear answer on when they got the PM saying they were jailed. If they got it during the night phase i dont think that is possible and he is lying no doubt. That is why i wanted to know if the PM is the reason he didn't use his ability or if he just forgot as he stated. IDK where he lives so midnight to him is what time to me? I think Darth is town based of interactions with Soren. I may be wrong and i may look bad for it but I don't back down from what I feel is a mislynch and i have yet to save scum while fighting off what I feel is a mislynchI might not shoot Darth so If you think he is scum you better lynch him @Jackrito I don't like all the Darth defending going on. He contradicted himself on why he didn't roleblock and he claims a role he can't have while at the same time confirming the counterclaim. I don't see why we should let him live, I find it super hard to believe there is a jailor and a town roleblocker. They said 12 which would of been the start of the day. |
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Crossbell said: I dont agree with you on 3 it seems like scum running out of options to me. Togs was caught lying about bussing why are you disregarding that?1. I think that voting scum and getting them lynched is very alignment indicative. Like, Togs /could/ be bussing, but Occam's Razor suggests that he's likely town. If he is scum, let's look elsewhere for now and re-evaluate if other people flip town. 2. New information was presented that made it more likely that Darth is scum. 3. It's a tonally town post. The tone and phrase feels townie. |
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Jackrito said: Start of the day for me is 1pm he said midnight.logic340 said: How much do you know about setup to be making that type of judgement? DarthInvader did contradict themselves a bit but I never got a clear answer on when they got the PM saying they were jailed. If they got it during the night phase i dont think that is possible and he is lying no doubt. That is why i wanted to know if the PM is the reason he didn't use his ability or if he just forgot as he stated. IDK where he lives so midnight to him is what time to me? I think Darth is town based of interactions with Soren. I may be wrong and i may look bad for it but I don't back down from what I feel is a mislynch and i have yet to save scum while fighting off what I feel is a mislynch They said 12 which would of been the start of the day. |
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logic340 said: He could be mis-remembering? I don't think he played much of that game at all (The Great Terror) so it's only natural that he'd not remember that game.Crossbell said: I dont agree with you on 3 it seems like scum running out of options to me. Togs was caught lying about bussing why are you disregarding that?1. I think that voting scum and getting them lynched is very alignment indicative. Like, Togs /could/ be bussing, but Occam's Razor suggests that he's likely town. If he is scum, let's look elsewhere for now and re-evaluate if other people flip town. 2. New information was presented that made it more likely that Darth is scum. 3. It's a tonally town post. The tone and phrase feels townie. |
logic340 said: If you want to die so badly lets just lynch you now No stop this, you're both annoying |
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Rinto-kun said: Lastly what lynch are we settling for? We've got 1 hour left. I see this becoming a huge mess with people throwing accusations left and right until 15 mins before phase change somebody proposes something else and finally people go for it in the heat of the moment... Why do you only appear end of day |
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logic340 said: I think he seems to be lying about the PM too but I'm not sure how jailing usually works. He said he's in EST so it was 12 hours before phase change. I can see that working if Jailer has to submit their action in the first 12 hours of night phase or something @sollux16 can you confirm? Kit said: How much do you know about setup to be making that type of judgement? DarthInvader did contradict themselves a bit but I never got a clear answer on when they got the PM saying they were jailed. If they got it during the night phase i dont think that is possible and he is lying no doubt. That is why i wanted to know if the PM is the reason he didn't use his ability or if he just forgot as he stated. IDK where he lives so midnight to him is what time to me? I think Darth is town based of interactions with Soren. I may be wrong and i may look bad for it but I don't back down from what I feel is a mislynch and i have yet to save scum while fighting off what I feel is a mislynchI might not shoot Darth so If you think he is scum you better lynch him @Jackrito I don't like all the Darth defending going on. He contradicted himself on why he didn't roleblock and he claims a role he can't have while at the same time confirming the counterclaim. I don't see why we should let him live, I find it super hard to believe there is a jailor and a town roleblocker. Interactions can be faked so you shouldn't judge SOLELY based on them when there's other things to judge like a counter claim. |
| Vote: Crossbell I dont like the kill me attitude it screams scum reverse psychology. If this is the new town cross then it will take me a while to get used to this but as scum your moves and mindset make sense to me. I harken back to FT where Kasai told you to reflect on why people scum read you when town. Because if you are town right now you have fooled me completely. |
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Crossbell said: Why be so matter of fact in his answer. If I find other games where he bussed does it still count as misremembering or could it be he is scum passing off bogus information?logic340 said: He could be mis-remembering? I don't think he played much of that game at all (The Great Terror) so it's only natural that he'd not remember that game.I dont agree with you on 3 it seems like scum running out of options to me. Togs was caught lying about bussing why are you disregarding that? |
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logic340 said: Start of the day for me is 1pm he said midnight. He is from Canada and most of the people I know there it is 5 hours difference. Not 100% of course but that is when he should be getting message start of day. |
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Kit said: You are putting too much weight on Sollux claim and the fact that you don't see how both could be town when it is quite possible. In a world where wen and Ruu are both town then who are the scum?logic340 said: I think he seems to be lying about the PM too but I'm not sure how jailing usually works. He said he's in EST so it was 12 hours before phase change. I can see that working if Jailer has to submit their action in the first 12 hours of night phase or something @sollux16 can you confirm? How much do you know about setup to be making that type of judgement? DarthInvader did contradict themselves a bit but I never got a clear answer on when they got the PM saying they were jailed. If they got it during the night phase i dont think that is possible and he is lying no doubt. That is why i wanted to know if the PM is the reason he didn't use his ability or if he just forgot as he stated. IDK where he lives so midnight to him is what time to me? I think Darth is town based of interactions with Soren. I may be wrong and i may look bad for it but I don't back down from what I feel is a mislynch and i have yet to save scum while fighting off what I feel is a mislynch Interactions can be faked so you shouldn't judge SOLELY based on them when there's other things to judge like a counter claim. |
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| What is the scum mindset for passing off bogus information, though? Razor just says that it's just likely that he's mis-remembering. Either way, I don't find it particularly alignment indicative. If you want to lynch me, go for it? I'd prefer lynching Darth though in order to get a huge question mark off the table. |
logic340 said: Lol, yes I did actually forget and I had to go back and check because I had no recollection, the only thing I remembered about that wagon was Chione intended so switch her vote after time was called but messed it up by accident.logic said: @Togs I would really like an answer to this. Did you forget you bussed Phraze here?Are you really going to sit here and lie to us?? If you don't bus then what do you call this? Only game I have played with you as scum where you didn't bus was Disgaea and that is because you didn't do anything that game. Not only that you also bus with your team mates (wen in Hirugashi and Chione in TGT) Togs/Crossbell theory is real for me anyway. Your read list also reinforces that fact. I would like to ask you how you feel about the Soren/Gruffin interactions now that you see Soren's flip? Here's where I placed my vote in that game, looking back it seems like I voted for Phraze because I had no choice at the time, the other wagons were Shad who I fake-townread strongly and myself. Note that 1. I never gave any real insight as to why I thought Phraze was scum, and I didn’t push the lynch instead just added my vote to a wagon, and 2. There was no town cred in it for me as it was no reveal. So I guess I didn’t register this as a bus and I still don’t really count it. logic340 said: I say we have Kit vig Darth if you guys really think Darth is scum. Then if Kit get RB'd we automatically lynch Darth no? DenjaX said: These ideas seem good, now that I think about it it might be better to try to resolve Darth outside of lynching.I have a proposal: We lynch someone else. Tonight, Sollux will jail Darth again and Darth roleblocks someone who isnt Kit. Kit will shoot someone. We will see if they attempt to roleblock kit. Jackrito said: What are these reasons, how is my Soren read strange, I read him the same way in every game ever, I townread him when he’s posting and scumread him when he isn’t. He’s the same as me with not motivation, I honestly find it stranger that you were dancing with him early when you should know this. And who the hell hasn’t switched their minds on Ruu a ton of times this game, you said yourself it made your brain hurt.logic340 said: I see wen and ruu slots as the mislynch candidates in a world where they are both town who are the scum? I still favor Togs tbh, the whole switch on Soren was so strange and lets be fair I don't agree with most of his points so far. He also disappeared pretty fast earlier. Added with his whole mind switch on Ruu between days it does not seem right. |
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Jackrito said: Rinto-kun said: Lastly what lynch are we settling for? We've got 1 hour left. I see this becoming a huge mess with people throwing accusations left and right until 15 mins before phase change somebody proposes something else and finally people go for it in the heat of the moment... Why do you only appear end of day I was lazy, I read some of what you were talking about beginning of phase but got too lazy to even check in, lazy all through the day and now here I am |
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Jackrito said: phase change for me (EST) is at 12pm/noon, not at midnightlogic340 said: Start of the day for me is 1pm he said midnight. He is from Canada and most of the people I know there it is 5 hours difference. Not 100% of course but that is when he should be getting message start of day. |
logic340 said: Darth literally confirmed Sollux being jailer, the only way it can be false is if they are both scumKit said: You are putting too much weight on Sollux claim and the fact that you don't see how both could be town when it is quite possible. In a world where wen and Ruu are both town then who are the scum?I think he seems to be lying about the PM too but I'm not sure how jailing usually works. He said he's in EST so it was 12 hours before phase change. I can see that working if Jailer has to submit their action in the first 12 hours of night phase or something @sollux16 can you confirm? Interactions can be faked so you shouldn't judge SOLELY based on them when there's other things to judge like a counter claim. |
Jackrito said: Correct i figured he would get a message at the start of the day which is why if he says he got it at midnight things don't add up and he is probably lying. That is why i asked him if he got it during the night phase,. Trying to clear things up so we can fully understand. Again if he really is scum why did his buddies let him fuck up his character name claim? We have been asking for days do you really think scum would let themselves lose a second team member so easily?logic340 said: Start of the day for me is 1pm he said midnight. He is from Canada and most of the people I know there it is 5 hours difference. Not 100% of course but that is when he should be getting message start of day. |
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Kit said: Did he say midmight, I assumed when he said 12 it was noon, not that it matters much tbh. We find out tomorrow if they is a jailor.Jackrito said: phase change for me (EST) is at 12pm/noon, not at midnightHe is from Canada and most of the people I know there it is 5 hours difference. Not 100% of course but that is when he should be getting message start of day. |
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