| hmm well my updated reads are like this --- jack, logic, denja, sollux ruu/darth rinto, wen/cada togs, crossbell --- still kind of pondering togs/cross scum team possibility. some people are now agreeing with previous-me about wen but i am feeling uneasy about that. But it is possible scum don't have a roleblocker and they attempted to kill me and failed because darth rb them... i want to know if darth used their rb last night or not. I'm not sure how I feel about Cross giving up on the game since I know he prefers playing town over scum I almost feel like he might be scum and just wants this game over with, but this is hardly even meta it's just "angleshooty" i guess. I do think people have been hard on him about the Denja ISO since he only implied he might do it, and personally when I ISO i don't do huge reports anymore (it takes too much time) I just update my read on that person and maybe summarize how i feel about how they played. I'm thinking about how Togs is playing too and it just doesn't seem like either scum Togs or town Togs... idk. They're both confusing. (edit: i mean cross and togs in this game are both confusing) |
Sollux16 said: highly doubt it considering there is a framer (both gf and framer are counters to cop)Jackrito said: I would of expected one but the framer messes it up a bit. I'm not sure what other scum would be though Is there a godfather in this game? |
Sollux16 said: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Category:Roles_Main_PageKit said: highly doubt it considering there is a framer (both gf and framer are counters to cop) Hmm... ok. I guess it would quicker to ask what kind of roles are there? usually theres like 5 power roles in basic games and they aren't too crazy, so stuff like doc, cop, roleblocker, godfather are in basic |
Sollux16 said: yeah we usually wouldn't have 2 of the same PR unless there's a backup (which gains the role after a certain person/role dies). so we can't have another town roleblocker, if there's another rb it would be scumKit said: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Category:Roles_Main_Page usually theres like 5 power roles in basic games and they aren't too crazy, so stuff like doc, cop, roleblocker, godfather are in basic Oh ok. My next question is, is there only one roleblocker per alignment? |
Kit said: highly doubt it considering there is a framer (both gf and framer are counters to cop) Could be a bulletproof GF to counter you |
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Jackrito said: i mean.. that would be gf by name but the role would just be bulletproof right? do you think there would be an "invests as town" scum and a framer?Kit said: highly doubt it considering there is a framer (both gf and framer are counters to cop) Could be a bulletproof GF to counter you edit: and the cop only had limited shots too, so that would really be overkill |
Sollux16 said: I'm curious if you have a reason for this line of questions or if you are just trying to get a grasp on roles as a new player.. What are you thinking about?Kit said: yeah we usually wouldn't have 2 of the same PR unless there's a backup (which gains the role after a certain person/role dies). so we can't have another town roleblocker, if there's another rb it would be scum Hmmm... interesting |
Kit said: i mean.. that would be gf by name but the role would just be bulletproof right? do you think there would be an "invests as town" scum and a framer? edit: and the cop only had limited shots too, so that would really be overkill Yeah it is still GF they come in two breeds bulletproof and invest proof never both also yeah they would not have a RB and framer |
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Sollux16 said: Kit said: I'm curious if you have a reason for this line of questions or if you are just trying to get a grasp on roles as a new player.. What are you thinking about? I think I've caught scum for sure but I'm reluctant to share it because it involves me revealing my role and there's still two mafia out there.... You may as well do it at this point saying this is enough to be killed anyway. |
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Sollux16 said: True. I'm Jailor, so if there can only be one role blocker per alignment, wouldn't that mean that DarthInvader can't be role blocker Jailor is a bit of a odd one since it is a mix of RB and doctor not unheard of to have both them qnd a RB. My issue with this is though if Ruu/Darth was such a good role and scum why did Soren want them dead so much. It would explain them trying to town clear Soren day 2 though. It is of course possible Ruu is not even a RB only evidence we have is Soren. But if they were scum day one mskes no sense. Tell me who you jailed and character as well. |
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Sollux16 said: I could tell you were referring to your role as soon as you asked if there could be two of the same role in a game. You need to be careful because scum will look out for things like that to see who has a power role. Anyway I guess they already know now.Kit said: I'm curious if you have a reason for this line of questions or if you are just trying to get a grasp on roles as a new player.. What are you thinking about? I think I've caught scum for sure but I'm reluctant to share it because it involves me revealing my role and there's still two mafia out there.... Sollux16 said: If you are to be believed, then Ruu/Darth is probably scum. Jailor doubles as doc so having that instead of doc makes sense.True. I'm Jailor, so if there can only be one role blocker per alignment, wouldn't that mean that DarthInvader can't be role blocker |
Jackrito said: Does Soren bus when he's scum? I had the thought previously that if Ruu and Soren are both scum then the roleblocking thing could all just be a lie, since no townie ever verified being roleblocked.Sollux16 said: True. I'm Jailor, so if there can only be one role blocker per alignment, wouldn't that mean that DarthInvader can't be role blocker Jailor is a bit of a odd one since it is a mix of RB and doctor not unheard of to have both them qnd a RB. My issue with this is though if Ruu/Darth was such a good role and scum why did Soren want them dead so much. It would explain them trying to town clear Soren day 2 though. It is of course possible Ruu is not even a RB only evidence we have is Soren. But if they were scum day one mskes no sense. Tell me who you jailed and character as well. |
Sollux16 said: Jackrito said: Jailor is a bit of a odd one since it is a mix of RB and doctor not unheard of to have both them qnd a RB. My issue with this is though if Ruu/Darth was such a good role and scum why did Soren want them dead so much. It would explain them trying to town clear Soren day 2 though. It is of course possible Ruu is not even a RB only evidence we have is Soren. But if they were scum day one mskes no sense. Tell me who you jailed and character as well. I jailed DarthInvader last night I guess we lynch there then, it makes little sense to me why Soren wanted them dead though. Who did you jail night 1 and character please. |
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Sollux16 said: Oh WOW he might have done the killing action XD scum team will usually pick the least likely to be rb team member to do the action so that it will go through. This makes so much sense, if they didn't know there was a Jailor.Jackrito said: Jailor is a bit of a odd one since it is a mix of RB and doctor not unheard of to have both them qnd a RB. My issue with this is though if Ruu/Darth was such a good role and scum why did Soren want them dead so much. It would explain them trying to town clear Soren day 2 though. It is of course possible Ruu is not even a RB only evidence we have is Soren. But if they were scum day one mskes no sense. Tell me who you jailed and character as well. I jailed DarthInvader last night |
Kit said: Jackrito said: Does Soren bus when he's scum? I had the thought previously that if Ruu and Soren are both scum then the roleblocking thing could all just be a lie, since no townie ever verified being roleblocked.Jailor is a bit of a odd one since it is a mix of RB and doctor not unheard of to have both them qnd a RB. My issue with this is though if Ruu/Darth was such a good role and scum why did Soren want them dead so much. It would explain them trying to town clear Soren day 2 though. It is of course possible Ruu is not even a RB only evidence we have is Soren. But if they were scum day one mskes no sense. Tell me who you jailed and character as well. I can't see him bussing on day one to such a degree he pretty much started the lynch on Ruu. He knows scum game is bad so would want team help. This been said Ruu claim still bothers me. |
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Jackrito said: I wonder if he was trying to do what Cross did in CCL ("nuke-bus" scum bud on d1 for town cred) and it didn't work out.. hmm, he was mostly on you D1 though if i remember correctly, he was on Ruu D2. It is a bit confusing. Kit said: Does Soren bus when he's scum? I had the thought previously that if Ruu and Soren are both scum then the roleblocking thing could all just be a lie, since no townie ever verified being roleblocked. I can't see him bussing on day one to such a degree he pretty much started the lynch on Ruu. He knows scum game is bad so would want team help. This been said Ruu claim still bothers me. What do you think of the possibility of Sol being scum or lying for some reason? Though I've been townreading Sol and I'm leaning toward believing them. |
Kit said: Jackrito said: I wonder if he was trying to do what Cross did in CCL ("nuke-bus" scum bud on d1 for town cred) and it didn't work out.. hmm, he was mostly on you D1 though if i remember correctly, he was on Ruu D2. It is a bit confusing. I can't see him bussing on day one to such a degree he pretty much started the lynch on Ruu. He knows scum game is bad so would want team help. This been said Ruu claim still bothers me. What do you think of the possibility of Sol being scum or lying for some reason? Though I've been townreading Sol and I'm leaning toward believing them. He started off on me but then went for Ruu whn you pressured Ruu it looked like a easy lynch. You only nuke a lost cause which Ruu was clearly not. That been said how they did not claim until day2 and the nature of it bothers Me. Sollux been scum is also possible so not rushing it just yet. |
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Sollux16 said: Jackrito said: I guess we lynch there then, it makes little sense to me why Soren wanted them dead though. Who did you jail night 1 and character please. I didn't jail night one, I still wasn't exactly sure what I was doing I am going to go ahead and vote for DarthInvader though, I'm pretty sure they are scum. Vote: DarthInvader I can understand the night one I still want character for my own reasons though. Also please explain to me why you picked Darth |
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| With the newfound info I feel the post Sol made when Bunny died makes sense. I suspected Sol had a power role like bunny and didn't want to be carelessly lynched like Bunny and so made an effort to step up their game. I don't think a post like that would have come from scum. So I am leaning toward believing Sol, on top of generally finding their behavior townie and interested in the game. The reluctance to counter claim makes sense with someone who is new to mafia. So with the info we have now Ruu/Darth should be mafia, because there wouldn't be both a town roleblocker and a jailer. The Jailed target N2 makes sense and explains the no kill if Darth is scum. There's also the confusion about Darth's role, how Darth would not claim anything without knowing what Ruu said first, and how Ruu claimed a fake flavor. The interactions between Ruu and Soren are confusing but it could have just been forced. afaik Darth still hasn't told us who he rb or who he planned to rb Vote: DarthInvader |
Sollux16 said: Jackrito said: I can understand the night one I still want character for my own reasons though. Also please explain to me why you picked Darth Oh, sorry, my character is Prompto Argentum Ok thanks that has gave me food for thought. Can you tell me why you picked Darth since you seemed more intrested in Cross |
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DenjaX said: @Kit Remember that Jailor protects too, not only roleblocks. Darth might have been saved from a night kill. That is possible but will it really have both roles I doubt it |
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DenjaX said: If Sollux is Jailor, and Darth is town, why did Ruu/Darth claim Roleblocker? Do you think there really are both a jailor and a town roleblocker? Do you think Ruu was lying but still town?@Kit Remember that Jailor protects too, not only roleblocks. Darth might have been saved from a night kill. |
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Kit said: I am actually not sure if Soren and Ruu are both scum due to their interactions and on how they dealt my segregation dutiesDenjaX said: If Sollux is Jailor, and Darth is town, why did Ruu/Darth claim Roleblocker? Do you think there really are both a jailor and a town roleblocker? Do you think Ruu was lying but still town?Kit Remember that Jailor protects too, not only roleblocks. Darth might have been saved from a night kill. |
Sollux16 said: I don't know why they do it, but I have seen lying town in past games, notably in Haruhi Suzumiya mafiaKit said: If Sollux is Jailor, and Darth is town, why did Ruu/Darth claim Roleblocker? Do you think there really are both a jailor and a town roleblocker? Do you think Ruu was lying but still town? If they're town, why lie about their role? |
| Jailor jails someone for the night right? This makes it so their ability doesn't go through and they cannot be night killed correct? If that is the case I see two possible scenarios: 1. He jailed the mafia member who was trying to make the kill 2. He jailed the town member the mafia was trying to kill |
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Sollux16 said: Yes, that is usually the reason. Town lie to trick mafia. But it's risky and makes you look scummy and only helps town in certain situations.Kit said: I don't know why they do it, but I have seen lying town in past games, notably in Haruhi Suzumiya mafia That's weird... I don't see the point in it. I mean, unless they think they're talking to mafia I guess...? In my last game, Fairy Tail, Claire claimed Vanilla because she was already townfirmed by another power role or something, so when a TPR claimed vig she could counterclaim and say she was the real vig. So there is a good use of town lies. In Haruhi, Sonata lied about having a power role, hoping they would get night killed, and was actually vanilla. They didn't get night killed but was lynched. That would be a bad use of lying.. lol |
logic340 said: Based on the Soren/Ruu interactions I am inclined to believe #2. This would mean that they tried to kill Ruu/DarkInvader instead of Kit. Jailor jails someone for the night right? This makes it so their ability doesn't go through and they cannot be night killed correct? If that is the case I see two possible scenarios: 1. He jailed the mafia member who was trying to make the kill 2. He jailed the town member the mafia was trying to kill The reason I cannot say not to #1 is because DarthInvader has done nothing to help us gain an understanding of that slot since they took over. Not sure what to think of them right now. |
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Kit said: the only explanation here is Ruu is fake claiming roleblocker as scum and Soren went along and confirm the existence of a roleblocker. Maybe it is like what I initially suspected that either of the 2 scums are going to get lynched and Soren was the unfortunate one to take the hit.If Ruu was town and only lied about being roleblocker, there's no way she could be confident that Soren would confirm her roleblock claim. And I'm not sure scum soren would confirm a fake roleblock from town ruu, or why town ruu would say soren is town for agreeing with her lie In a world where Ruu/Darth got lynched instead of Soren, Ruu would probably have flipped perhaps a mafia goon and we will start questioning Soren's claim. It is really weird on how things went down Day 2. If both Soren and Darth are scum, then there was no mafia among the lynching voters. Because it is more rational for scum to lynch Darth and keep Soren. Soren is a stronk player, no offence to Darth. xDD If I am going to buy the existence of town roleblocker and jailor then Scum vig should exist. Muehehe Or if we confirm scum jailor then Sollux is scum. I highly doubt since he just stepped in without any pressure at all. |
logic340 said: What if the Soren/Ruu interactions were distancing, so if one flips the other looks like town? I don't think that's impossible. It seems like it gave some serious town cred to Ruu's slotlogic340 said: Based on the Soren/Ruu interactions I am inclined to believe #2. This would mean that they tried to kill Ruu/DarkInvader instead of Kit. Jailor jails someone for the night right? This makes it so their ability doesn't go through and they cannot be night killed correct? If that is the case I see two possible scenarios: 1. He jailed the mafia member who was trying to make the kill 2. He jailed the town member the mafia was trying to kill The reason I cannot say not to #1 is because DarthInvader has done nothing to help us gain an understanding of that slot since they took over. Not sure what to think of them right now. |
DenjaX said: Ruu might still be scum roleblocker, making soren's roleblocked claim look legit, if that's the claim you're referring toIn a world where Ruu/Darth got lynched instead of Soren, Ruu would probably have flipped perhaps a mafia goon and we will start questioning Soren's claim. |
Kit said: Also, if Ruu/Darth is roleblocker and was jailed, that COULD explain why I wasn't roleblocked, if wen is scum. they dont really have any other confirmed PR to rb but i'm sure if they know i'm gonna shoot town they would just let me and not rb me. hm.DenjaX said: Ruu might still be scum roleblocker, making soren's roleblocked claim look legit, if that's the claim you're referring toIn a world where Ruu/Darth got lynched instead of Soren, Ruu would probably have flipped perhaps a mafia goon and we will start questioning Soren's claim. |
DenjaX said: Kit said: the only explanation here is Ruu is fake claiming roleblocker as scum and Soren went along and confirm the existence of a roleblocker. Maybe it is like what I initially suspected that either of the 2 scums are going to get lynched and Soren was the unfortunate one to take the hit.If Ruu was town and only lied about being roleblocker, there's no way she could be confident that Soren would confirm her roleblock claim. And I'm not sure scum soren would confirm a fake roleblock from town ruu, or why town ruu would say soren is town for agreeing with her lie In a world where Ruu/Darth got lynched instead of Soren, Ruu would probably have flipped perhaps a mafia goon and we will start questioning Soren's claim. It is really weird on how things went down Day 2. If both Soren and Darth are scum, then there was no mafia among the lynching voters. Because it is more rational for scum to lynch Darth and keep Soren. Soren is a stronk player, no offence to Darth. xDD If I am going to buy the existence of town roleblocker and jailor then Scum vig should exist. Muehehe Or if we confirm scum jailor then Sollux is scum. I highly doubt since he just stepped in without any pressure at all. We have no way to confirm either which is the issue, since the only one RBed was Soren he could of been lying to make Ruu look more town, but he could of been telling truth as well since him been Rbed and a kill looks good, then he can still lynch them as a mafia RB. With Sollux we have less proof if he jailed night one sure they we can back it up, the fact they did not leaves doubt, it is easy to lie about a jail in this situation. The thing is the way this game has went down, Ruu been scum makes no sense in regards to day one, and Sollux has looked pretty town so really not sure how to play this. |
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