The Theory of Everything - some spoliers, but mostly conjecture

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Jan 23, 2015 5:09 PM

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Okay, I think I have everything figured out.

Tatsuya is the son of Yotsuba Maya. The only question is who is the father? Was it the Dahan kidnappers, or (and this is my preferred theory) was it Saegusa Koichi, the person who was Maya's betrothed at the time?

Why do I think the later? We know that Maya and Koichi were both in Taipei when Maya was kidnapped. Granted they were 14 years old, but remember the author has made a point of stressing that kids were encouraged to have sex young (and often, as Mikihito hinted at, more). For Koichi, being the heir of the Saegusa, that would have been stressed to him to have a child as soon as possible. Now the story implied that it was the Dahan that raped Maya (and many Chinese have called this show racist for it), but if you go back and read the passage it was never stated that they were the one's who raped Maya. The father assumed that to be the case and attacked them for it, but it was never explicitly said.

In that chapter the author has the narrator, a 12 year old Miya, go on about her hatred of Koichi. Now to Miya she thought it was because he "ran away", but the author could have done this as a red herring: to give us a clue, but then provide another explanation that would make us miss the importance of the clue. Miya had mental magic, she couldn't "read" minds, but she certainly could have sensed something that she attributed to cowardice at the time.

This may seem like a stretch, but note that the writer didn't say that Maya was kidnapped. What was said was that people assumed she had been kidnapped because Koichi was injured. Lots of assumptions in that chapter, no?

Here's the thing: another completely plausible explanation is that Koichi raped Maya, perhaps because she learned something that made her want to break off the engagement. As he did this, Maya's powers came into bloom and she was the one who damaged him. Note later in the chapter Maya only said she had been completely violated, but she never said who did it. Imagine finding out that your fiance is a monster, the person you thought you have been in love with not only was a liar, but also raped you. That would be the greatest taint imaginable. Also note that the author had Miya tell us that she could not read Maya's memory. This was important, because it left everything ambiguous.

Now Maya could have corrected her father and sister at this point, but considering what they did to her (as well as the complete emotional detachment she felt at that moment), who could blame her for not doing so. Besides, she didn't know that her father was about to go ballistic and destroy Dahan over this (because Maya didn't know at the time that they were blaming Dahan and not Koichi). By the time Maya would have found this out her father was dead, Dahan was destroyed, and she had to save the Yostuba. Starting a war with the Saegusa was not in the cards. Oh, this would also explain why Koichi hates the Yotsuba so much.

Now why would the Dahan agents take Maya to Dahan? Dahan, we know was in an existential battle against the GAA. Japan was they ally. Why would they risk losing their main ally against the GAA? One answer is that Maya agreed (explained above). The more likely answer is that the Dahan agents knew that they had a golden opportunity to study the offspring of the two most power Japanese clans, a literal gold mind of magic possibilities (they may have even known that he would have godlike powers), and they didn't think that the Yostuba would immediately attack so they could have studied her for a couple of days before returning her. What they didn't expect was for the Yotsuba to go ballistic over this and by then the Yotsuba were not in the mood to hear the truth. If you think about it rationally, if Dahan somehow knew the power Tatsuya would have, it makes perfect sense that they would want to study it. That was worth the risk.

Even if we assume the worst and that the Dahan at this point kidnapped Maya, this really doesn't say much bad about them, in that 2 chapter previously the writer basically said that the Yotsuba were still killing children in their experiments. Compared to that, kidnapping is nothing.

The Yotsuba leadership probably do know that Tatsuya is Maya's child, but they are assuming that he is a product of Dahan, and that his power is related to them. This would explain why they hate him so much. Plus, given that the Yotsuba lost a lot of members over this incident, one can understand why they dislike anything associated with it.

Now there is a fatal flaw in my theory (did you catch it?).

The flaw is that Tatsuya should be several years older than he appears to be. He should be in his mid 20's older than Mayumi's half brothers. How can I explain this?

This is where things get interesting. Miyuki has a couple of powers that have been explained: one was the power to limit Tatsuya's power. The second is freezing power. The story has said that skills are inherited and that freezing was the outcome of the mental magic she received from her mother. We also know that Miyuki and freeze people, who can then later be revived.

See where i am going? Around a year after Tatsuya's birth when his power began to manifest (and probably his divine power had something to do with her not being able to have other kids - more on that later), Miya froze him, and then engaged in experimentation to find a suitable partner to have a kid who could restrain Tatsuya. That person was the President of FLT (this is why he doesn't feel parental towards Tatsuya - he is his uncle, not his father). Miya and him had a child that would become Miyuki. This took nearly a decade (and the magic involved probably is why the mother died so young), so when Miyuki was born with the right power, Tatsuya was unfrozen and he was, relatively speaking, a year older than her.
During this time Koichi had his children.

The interesting thing about this theory is that Tatsuya is the heir of both the Yotsuba and the Saegusa, since he is the oldest child of both oldest children of each respective family. This of course means that he is Miyuki's cousin (and in Japan cousins can marry) and the half brother of Saegusa Mayumi (and her sisters). How's that for a plot change?

Would love to have people try to poke a hole in this. So please do!

Edit: should add. Maya's revenge is going to have Miyuki become head of the Yostuba, and then have Tatsuya challenge to head the Saegusa, and then have Tatsuya and Miyuki marry, effectively combining the families under Yotsuba control. What better revenge on Koichi?

Takuan_SohoJan 23, 2015 5:17 PM

Jan 24, 2015 2:53 AM

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ok, it was good read and the theory also makes sense. I always thought why would dahan attack /kidnapped their own ally.But then how other plot threads will tie into this(mahouka haS lots of them) and koichi did'nt got treatment of his eye because he was unable to save his spouse. oh also maya would'nt concern herself with petty things like revenge (her aim is to solve the puzzle of mind magic but this does'nt rebute your point).
Miyuki and tatsuya are'nt blood related i guess.

IN vol 8 miya had regrets (I intrepretad as she showing regret over what she done to her son).May be its other way around and miyuki is one from outside yotsuba

Also this will make mahouka much more complex/complicated than it already is (its no longer LN lol).But one thing i am sure of is tatsuya origins is one of the foundation of series.

have you already read the latest volumes?in next volume some new secrets should be revealed.

my english is'nt good so i apologised in advance

sovisJan 24, 2015 3:18 AM

Jan 24, 2015 4:02 AM

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Takuan_Soho said:

This of course means that he is Miyuki's cousin (and in Japan cousins can marry) and the half brother of Saegusa Mayumi (and her sisters).

It took so much effort just for this line ? Nice try, I see.

sub_xzeroxJan 24, 2015 4:57 AM

Jan 24, 2015 1:32 PM

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sovis said:
koichi did'nt got treatment of his eye because he was unable to save his spouse

Not, quite, if you read that part what the write said was that getting the details about his supposed reason for wearing the glasses was well known, nowhere does it say it was true. If my theory about Koiichi is true, the real reason he hasn't gotten it fixed is because he can't. That Maya's Night Magic is what causes the "discoloration". Of course he would have to explain his eye to everyone, so what better excuse than to claim it is because he was unable to "save" Maya. (which if you think about it is 1) a strange feeling to begin with, he was 14 being attacked supposedly by trained adults, and 2) even stranger to make sure that "everyone" knew it because "it was easily available with a small amount of investigation).

Think about that for a second. Remember in this world EVERYTHING is kept secret. So that the writer makes a point about how "easy" it is to get this information means that someone is making it easy to get. Who better than Koichi

sovis said:
oh also maya would'nt concern herself with petty things like revenge (her aim is to solve the puzzle of mind magic but this does'nt rebute your point).

Revenge is just a side dish, her plan will give her effective control over the two strongest clans in japan (which in turn means control of Japan), Miya's daughter (remember she believes that Miya "killed" her) and her own "monster" (also remember that while some women can love the child a rapist fathered on them, Maya had her emotions, including any maternal instincts, converted to "knowledge"). That is all pretty compelling reasons and could all feed into her desire to solve the "puzzle of the mind" (which definitely relates to both Miyuki and Tatsuya).

sovis said:
Miyuki and tatsuya are'nt blood related i guess.

Cousins are blood related. There is very little difference between cousins and siblings (as the Thomas Jefferson paternity issue shows).[/quote]

sovis said:
have you already read the latest volumes?in next volume some new secrets should be revealed.

Haven't read 13 or 14 yet, have them to read, just haven't got to them yet. But I have heard one line from 13 where Mayumi said she thought of Tatsuya like a younger brother. That fits into my theory perfectly.

sub_xzerox said:
It took so much effort just for this line ? Nice try, I see.

Nah, that originally was the first line of my post, I dropped it to the bottom during editing. When they first explained who Maya was I knew that Tatsuya would prove to be Miyuki's cousin, my theory is more about how everything fits together.

Jan 24, 2015 4:36 PM

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I find this theory funny because it's somehow too conveinient for Miyuki shippers, it's not only makes Miyuki his counsin, but also sunken Tat X Mayumi ship by makes them become sibling, that is why i dont take it too serious..

sub_xzeroxJan 24, 2015 5:12 PM

Jan 24, 2015 5:38 PM

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sub_xzerox said:

I find this theory funny because it's somehow too conveinient for Miyuki shippers, it's not only make Miyuki his counsin, but also sunken Tat X Mayumi ship by makes them become sibling, that is why i dont take it too serious..

Convenient as hell yes, but it would explain why Miyuki's dad doesn't treat him like a son, why Tatsuya and Miyuki are so close in age (11 months is possible, but it is very close together). So it isn't as if there hasn't been stuff from the very beginning that I have been wondering about.

As for the situation, it doesn't mean that Tatsuya and Miyuki will ship. Indeed in thinking about it, I think Maya's plan isn't for that to happen.

But before I get to that, think of the comedic situation this would reveal: not only is Mayumi Tat's sister, but so is Izumi, and she is now Miyuki's cousin. So she would get her wish at being able to call Miyuki "oneesama". And while cousins can marry in Japan, it isn't exactly that common, so it wouldn't be a green card for the two. But imagine Miyuki's position, she is still closely related to Tatsuya, but she no longer had the cherished position of being the younger sister. That would be fun as well. Exploring all this mess would let the writer have his 10 additional desired novels.

As for Maya's plan, she is going to unite the 10 clans. Miyuki heads the Yotsuba, Tatsuya would be in position to head the Saegasu, if Maya can use Miyuki's confusion to get her to accept marrying Ichijou, then the three most powerful clans are united by blood. If Mayumi then marries Jumonji, 4 of the clans are now related (and note they are the 1st, 4th, 7th, and 10th clans, nicely spaced). Or alternatively Mayumi can be married to the Itsuwa (though I think not). Since Tatsuya is tied to Miyuki, the Yotsuba would be in control.

And it doesn't stop there. Kasumi and that guy from the former "7th clan" are friendly now, and we know that the clans are going to be reshuffled soon: if the Saegusa get moved around (more on this later), then another of Tatsuya's younger sisters will align the new 7th clan (marriage being the time honored Japanese way of aligning clans).

But here is the biggest one: we know next to nothing about Honaka's family the Mitsui. The Kanji for Mitsu means "ray of light", but mitsu can also mean three. We know nothing about the 3rd clan, so during the reshuffle Honaka's family could be promoted. While I always was partial to the Tatsuya/Mayumi ship, I think the Honaka ship is going to happen in my scenario.

So right there half the 10 clans all of the sudden have ties of blood uniting them. With Maya in the background pulling the strings (this is the surprise she has been building up to). And in this scenario we still haven't slotted where Tatsuya would be if the Saegusa were renamed.

Now where would the Saegua end up in this reshuffle? This I am not too sure about, the 3rd would make the most sense, but that would conflict with my Honaka theory. But I think the answer would lie on who Mayumi ends up with. I am guessing Juumonji, so that would leave the Itsuwa as the odd house out (and if the sister dies, the family would be demoted). Another possibility would be the Kuudo, but Maya effectively controls them already.

As this all pans out the wild card in the theory is actually Erika. Because in forming alliances we don't just consider the main characters, but also other family members. Erika's younger brother is engaged to Mari, a major character, and someone I have a feeling comes from a strong family (I know the Watanabe are not considered strong, and Mari is only from a cadet branch, but she has multiple skills and is one of the rare characters who earned Tatsuya's praise). The older brother is getting close to Fujibayshi, who is from the Kuudo and is the sister (through genes, and close friendship) of the next Kuudo head Mamoru (or alternatively Angelina - but if Maya's plans are bigger than just Japan, this could be used for that goal of creating a connection with the USNA). So Erika is a realistic alternative to Honoka, which would allow the Saegasu to return to the 3rd slot and give Tatsuya access to Europe.

Now here is the scary thing. This may all seem to be too deep for this series, but in watching the show, and then reading the light novels, all the things that I have felt a bit strange, where the writing seems just a tad off, have all touched on this theory.

This is why I want people to try to poke holes in it, I think I have pegged what the author wants to do, but hey, who knows, I could completely be wrong as well.

Oh, as for the multiple coincidences, don't forget that the Yotsuba are information control experts, and seem to know nearly everything about people. A push here, a nudge there and all these things would fall into place.

Also, this would be Maya's plans, but humans can act differently. What she needs for the plan to work is to have Tatsuya tied to Miyuki, and Miyuki loyal to the Yotsuba (and this was specifically said in volume 8), Miyuki could be the wild card in this whole scenario.

Takuan_SohoJan 24, 2015 5:43 PM

Jan 24, 2015 9:57 PM

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you know ten masters clan members married with each other all the time it's nothing new. ONLY when two clan head married each other the clans got merged that's why its not allowed and obiviosly others will strongly object.then there are characters like sponsors and black sage how they will fit into this. Now i also start to think that global cooling was man made(lol this is pure speculation )

I dont understand this shipping in mahouka(in western femdom). I always thought their bogas siblings relationship was something they have to overcome as it provide social and mental challenges(specially for miyuki ).frankly its very clear from the start.

After visiting some forums i am really confused. WHY femdom is divided on this matter when it is so clear. I really wish i knew japnese. there is all those parallels between shiva and parvati and after reading first few chapters of DOWL masters i have come to conclusion he really is educated about hindu mythology but then again now i think i may be seeing things .

Anyway why it cannot be otherway around and miyuki is one from outside. iirc in vol 8 in one monologue she says she cannot get tanned like others then she comments that youtsuba did'nt get mixed with europeans in last five generation.

sovisJan 25, 2015 7:07 AM

Jan 26, 2015 11:52 AM

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Interesting theory, but full of holes.

1. First some genetics. Shiba Tatsurou was incorporated to Yotsuba family due to his abnormal Psion count. So if he wasn't Tatsuya's father, Miyuki would have higher Psion count than him. Also amount of thought particles is not a strong point of Saegusa family since Mayumi was implied to be unable to cast Gram Demolition. That means Tatsuya is Tatsurou's son for 100%. His Decomposition magic indicates, that he is either Maya's or Miya's son (though the former one is more likely due to better affinity). And Miyuki due to her magical intuition and Mental Interference magic is Miya's daughter for sure, so if she really isn't sister of her Oniisama, he have to be child of Tatsurou and Maya.

2. Maya couldn't bear children after her return from Dahan (though it doesn't necessarily mean that she couldn't have them at all; in vitro + Miya as surrogate mother should do the trick).

3. I doubt, that Maya planned Miyuki as limiter from beggining. Wouldn't it be too convenient for first child of Miya and Tatsurou to have Mental Interference magic and capability to be a limiter (since not every MI magician is capable to restraining others)?

4. If Maya had shot Koichi with her magic, he would have a hole in his head instead of just loss of an eye.

5. Do not assume, that Dahan kidnapped Maya due to some agreement or plan. They were still Chinese and, as we know, Chinese in Mahouka are retarded. And they didn't do it to study her child, but research manufacturing of magicians.

Takuan_Soho said:
Maya had her emotions, including any maternal instincts, converted to "knowledge"

Memories, not emotions! Operation on Maya was entirely different from that one done on Tatsuya. In her case only her past was devoided of feelings. She is still able to feel them (and grieve over it).

No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded.

Jan 26, 2015 5:03 PM

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jakkubus said:
I doubt, that Maya planned Miyuki as limiter from beggining. Wouldn't it be too convenient for first child of Miya and Tatsurou to have Mental Interference magic and capability to be a limiter

Let me start with this one, who said Miyuki was the first? We know that the Yotsuba kill their failures, in my theory Tatsuya was frozen for nearly a decade, so that would imply that Miyuki was merely the successful one, not the first one. This could also explain why the mother was burnt out so young.

jakkubus said:
Shiba Tatsurou was incorporated to Yotsuba family due to his abnormal Psion count.

If my theory is correct then this is still true, however they needed his high psion count in order to create a limiter for Tatsuya.

jakkubus said:
So if he wasn't Tatsuya's father, Miyuki would have higher Psion count than him.

Unless Tatsuya for some other reason had extremely high psion counts. Given how high his level is, even having Shiba as a father doesn't explain why Tatsuya has this divine ability (though it would explain Miyuki's merely abnormal, not divine level).

jakkubus said:
Also amount of thought particles is not a strong point of Saegusa family since Mayumi was implied to be unable to cast Gram Demolition. That means Tatsuya is Tatsurou's son for 100%.

I know you know of recessive genes, that is the case with Saegusa. Mayumi's mother didn't have the gene or a recessive, so her power is weaker. Given that the Saegusa are considered one of the 4 most powerful clans, it wouldn't be surprising that they have high psion levels, just not abnormally high levels.

jakkubus said:
If Maya had shot Koichi with her magic, he would have a hole in his head instead of just loss of an eye.

She was only 14, thus not at full strength, and don't discount that Koiichi is also an extremely power mage.

jakkubus said:
Do not assume, that Dahan kidnapped Maya due to some agreement or plan. They were still Chinese and, as we know, Chinese in Mahouka are retarded.

I know this is your obsession, but the Chinese are no more stupid than most of the Japanese (or all of the Americans for that matter), don't ascribe to malice what can better be explained by poor writing. Everyone, regardless of nationality, only exist to make Tatsuya look good. That is it.

jakkubus said:
Memories, not emotions! Operation on Maya was entirely different from that one done on Tatsuya. In her case only her past was devoided of feelings. She is still able to feel them (and grieve over it).

I was speaking of her past, remember in my theory the material instinct would have been part of the past, so that would have been written over as well. Of course for things that occurred later she could feel emotions, but she is detached from everything that occurred before Miya tampered with her.
As it was written: ""My delights, my tempers, the moments of enjoyment, the moments of sorrow; all of them have become data..."

Jan 26, 2015 5:35 PM

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Takuan_Soho said:
Let me start with this one, who said Miyuki was the first? We know that the Yotsuba kill their failures, in my theory Tatsuya was frozen for nearly a decade, so that would imply that Miyuki was merely the successful one, not the first one. This could also explain why the mother was burnt out so young.

Well, you've got the point here.

If my theory is correct then this is still true, however they needed his high psion count in order to create a limiter for Tatsuya.

Well, Tatsurou has Psion count above Ten Master Clans members, cause otherwise they would find husbando for Miya among TMC. Tatsuya's immense power may be effect of recombination between Shiba's and Yotsuba's genes. Plus even if Mayumi has recessive allele from mother, as long as she have dominant one from father, as heterozygote she should have the same phenotype as dominant homozygote. And IIRC she was reffered as special occurrence and prodigy.
Also Saegusa are "omnipotent", so Tatsuya as son of Koichi should be more versatile with various magics and as we know he is full BS magician, what is rather rare among current ruling clan.

She was only 14, thus not at full strength, and don't discount that Koiichi is also an extremely power mage.

That's not how her power works. Night is Decomposition magic and goes through matter regardless of it's durability or magic shields, so if it would hit him, Koichi would be rather dead. Well, he should be able to deflect it, since light magic is also his speciality, but after being struck, especially in head, it's be game over.

Well, I cannot argue with that argument.

Well, maternal instinct is not something, that would be erased, though in that case Miya's operation may have warped it.

jakkubusJan 26, 2015 5:38 PM

No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded.

Aug 14, 2016 12:05 PM

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Why is this thread dead? This is such an interesting theory. Even though I don't believe knowing Myiuki is not his sister will be enough to change his feelings towards her. It would be truly ironic if he ended up marrying his sister by marrying Mayumi in the end.

Sep 5, 2016 8:07 AM

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MischaW said:
Why is this thread dead?

Because LNs have already cleared it up.

No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded.

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