| Was reading Chapter 467 and came across Obito mentioning archiving a "complete form" and "everything becoming one" after IT is casted. Implying a form that goes further than a Juubi Jin and that chakra was once one. Which myself and I think many people utterly have forgotten. http://i.imgur.com/D8jigg7.jpg http://i.imgur.com/PSVgP9D.jpg http://i.imgur.com/EbpmUG3.jpg Well I guess a few chapters ago we founded out what he meant. |
Man_of_SinJul 4, 2014 6:39 AM
| It has nothing to do with what we see now, especially after Kishi revealed that what Obito and Madara read was false crap. And if everyone is fused with the tree and Obito somehow has control over the dreams, it isnt something new or "beyond" the Juubi Jinchuuriki . |
ssjokg said: It has nothing to do with what we see now, especially after Kishi revealed that what Obito and Madara read was false crap. And if everyone is fused with the tree and Obito somehow has control over the dreams, it isnt something new or "beyond" the Juubi Jinchuuriki . They knew about the chakra becoming one, hence the "complete form" statement. Hagoromo even said so. They just didn't know the Zetsu part and the Juubi/Kaguya taking over part. |
Man_of_SinJul 4, 2014 9:11 PM
| Just because there is no point in making a separate thread, I'd like to bring up some more foreshadowing. Anyone think that Obito's war mask might have been foreshadowing the Sharinnegan forehead eye? I mean what else is the point of having an eyehole for your forehead? http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w465/TobiUchiha111/TOBIWITHNEWMASK.jpg Though I guess it might be a bit too high to be practical. |
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Minagatachi said: I've heard people call that just hoxcrus symbolizing (the same 3rd eye Aizen got) or it just being about the sharingan tomoes, but if it's not, that's some big ass forehead Obito got?Just because there is no point in making a separate thread, I'd like to bring up some more foreshadowing. Anyone think that Obito's war mask might have been foreshadowing the Sharinnegan forehead eye? I mean what else is the point of having an eyehole for your forehead? http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w465/TobiUchiha111/TOBIWITHNEWMASK.jpg Though I guess it might be a bit too high to be practical. |
| Here Obito says that he does not want peace but to become "complete" and he says it here too. http://i.imgur.com/FAVLfjq.jpg http://i.imgur.com/TuMv7xZ.jpg And "everything will become one with me". |
| Yeah complete form as in being control of this Human Instrumentality Project, Kishi version. Really it has nothing to do with Kaguya or BZ. What Obito and Madara were aiming for is the Sage's powers and to cast InfiTsu.Nothing else.Then Kaguya appeared out of nowhere and now many try to make a connection when even Madara didnt have any idea what was going on. |
ssjokg said: Yeah complete form as in being control of this Human Instrumentality Project, Kishi version. Really it has nothing to do with Kaguya or BZ. What Obito and Madara were aiming for is the Sage's powers and to cast InfiTsu.Nothing else.Then Kaguya appeared out of nowhere and now many try to make a connection when even Madara didnt have any idea what was going on. No form means another shape, dude. Adding "Complete" with it implies the text of "whole", as in having all the pieces together like a puzzle. Hagoromo said that Madara was aiming to reach his mother's power. http://i.imgur.com/BekS8V5.jpg Madara saying everything will become one. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-mlD0JFELRK8/U38hCNCY4ZI/AAAAAAAALCk/9exXXOg4iYE/s1600/naruto_manga_677_by_dannylinck-d7j8spp.jpg |
Man_of_SinJul 7, 2014 1:52 AM
| Madara didnt know about Kaguya.Sage only made the connection between them. YEah , as I said Human Instrumentality Project, Kishi version. |
ssjokg said: Madara didnt know about Kaguya.Sage only made the connection between them. YEah , as I said Human Instrumentality Project, Kishi version. He did know about Kaguya and the fruit. He told Hashirama about it... |
Man_of_SinJul 7, 2014 2:32 AM
Man_of_Sin said: Chapter?ssjokg said: Madara didnt know about Kaguya.Sage only made the connection between them. YEah , as I said Human Instrumentality Project, Kishi version. He did know about Kaguya and the fruit. He told Hashirama about it... |
ssjokg said: Man_of_Sin said: Chapter?He did know about Kaguya and the fruit. He told Hashirama about it... 646. |
| Ah yes. Still the only thing he knows about, the highest complete form ever shown in Naruto is the Ten Tails/Ten tails Jin. And since that is the source of all chakra that existed before EVERYTHING else we go back to the Human Instrumentality Project, Kishi version. |
ssjokg said: Ah yes. Still the only thing he knows about, the highest complete form ever shown in Naruto is the Ten Tails/Ten tails Jin. And since that is the source of all chakra that existed before EVERYTHING else we go back to the Human Instrumentality Project, Kishi version. He told Hashirama that chakra came from the god tree and that it wanted it all back. So why would he think that the Ten Tails/Ten tails Jin was the highest complete form with that knowledge? |
Man_of_Sin said: ssjokg said: Ah yes. Still the only thing he knows about, the highest complete form ever shown in Naruto is the Ten Tails/Ten tails Jin. And since that is the source of all chakra that existed before EVERYTHING else we go back to the Human Instrumentality Project, Kishi version. He told Hashirama that chakra came from the god tree and that it wanted it all back. So why would he think that the Ten Tails/Ten tails Jin was the highest complete form with that knowledge? The tree IS The Ten Tails.The tree is the original form before Kaguya used it. |
ssjokg said: Man_of_Sin said: He told Hashirama that chakra came from the god tree and that it wanted it all back. So why would he think that the Ten Tails/Ten tails Jin was the highest complete form with that knowledge? The tree IS The Ten Tails.The tree is the original form before Kaguya used it. Yeah, but since it's chakra was taken that would make it incomplete. |
| No it is the same thing. Just because it isnt at 100% power doesnt make it a different form/entity. |
ssjokg said: No it is the same thing. Just because it isnt at 100% power doesnt make it a different form/entity. The thing is a being of chakra, hence why Madara absorbed it. So it's basically missing a piece of itself. |
| But it is still the same thing. A glass of water is a glass of water, whether it is full or half empty. |
ssjokg said: But it is still the same thing. A glass of water is a glass of water, whether it is full or half empty. That's not a good comparison. As water and glass were never a "whole". |
| Here is the previous page. http://i.imgur.com/3guOIYY.jpg "This plan will restore you to your former self" "That is one way of putting it" So he does imply that he wants a form of some kind. |
| Want to bring up something else: http://s22.postimg.org/ioxy7oahd/image.jpg Hashirama clearly notices something watching (Black Zetsu). That's chapter 626. I did see people speculating that it was Black Zetsu, but it seemed like in the end it was ruled out because everyone thought that Madara was the one who created Black Zetsu. |
MinagatachiJul 22, 2014 11:38 PM
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| I'm beginning to think Kagyua had a decent amount of foreshadowing. Her existence and the ''all become one'' line that has been repeated since Obito declared war. http://i.imgur.com/6Do80P8.jpg |
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