Is Madara's 'Infinite Tsukiyomi' utopia REALLY such a bad idea?

harrysoung said:
I had this thought while showering and contemplating on the newest Naruto chapter.

We see everyone in Narutoverse under the influence of the infinite Tsukiyomi and each of them are experiencing their own unique moments of happiness. If Naruto wins, their reality reverts back to a world plagued with violence and war.

The thing is, is it really such a bad idea to permanently keep everyone in their own cocoon of bliss?

Naruto and co. are vehemently opposed to Madara's plan because the happiness achieved would only be an illusion. It's not authentic happiness. The question is, in a world of bloodshed and warfare, in a reality where happiness can be denied to some people, does it really matter?

Sennen_Goroshi said:
yeah it would be similar to that shit in the bible, the place between heaven and hell called purgatory, its basically a nothing world, like yyazik said and my example: its pointless to achieve hokage for kiba because he never had 1 second to experience it in reality, just a puppet for kaguya basically which sucks even worse than being in control on a battlefield against kaguya that could possibly end Infinite Tsyukomi if she is defeated.

Rignak said:


It's not really pointless for him to become Hokage because he will never know that he's inside the Tsukiyomi. I think this utopia is more the paradise than the purgatory : it's a place where everyone would be happy forever. But, it's not too different than commit suicide to access the paradise. I don't think it's bad in itself, but it's selfish for those who remain. Since everyone will do the same and go to paradise, it's pretty attractive.
The Hokage will say something like "But, the next generation will never born. You sacrifice their future happiness in order to increase yours."

MShukyDeneuve said:
Basically, someone who want an extreme equality where all people got their happiness. What's that? So you reject pain and hard work. If i say it, there is no difference for someone who do suicide. Madara forced everyone to do suicide.

page04z said:


We call this murder, not forced suicide.

Raidol said:
I personally don't think it's such a bad thing. Everyone lives in their ideal world, and are free from the dangers and harms of the real world. It's a perfect escape.
Humanity will end, eventually, but who really cares when everyone has lived a perfect life?

Rance-sama said:
One dimensional characters, one dimensional dreams.

yyaziK said:
It basically robs everyone of their free will, it's okay to dream and everything but it's not real and everyone has to come back to reality...but it's just a genjutsu, not reality so it doesn't really count

Flashoftheback said:
...So you reject pain and hard work. If i say it, there is no difference for someone who do suicide...just do Infinite Tsukuyomi on Himself...
We human always want to be different with other. That's why we work hard, have passion, and sometimes fall and feel the pain, but we can stand up again. That was mean to be a human...

page04z said:

they would be happy until turned into white zetsu...

DarkLordd said:

Let's take Hinata's dream as an example. She is with Naruto forever, he never denies what she wants, he does what she asks him to without fault and he is in general, a perfect human to be with, right? Wrong. He is a puppet. That is what a human with no free will is.

Rance-sama said:
One dimensional characters, one dimensional dreams.

Minagatachi said:
Alcohol and drugs make people happy, why isn't everyone drunk and high 24/7?

EllVic said:
Madara literally wants to make a MATRIX in Naruto world, don't matter from what perspective you look that, it's an horribly dystopia and inexistent fantasy, this kind of themes for a series than Naruto that constantly bombs you with the message "try hard, follow your dreams, never give up" obviously will be seen as the wrong idea and illogical although you as a viewer try to see it as something good.

nakuuu said:
lmao if jiraya was still alive and then hes in the tsukiyomi doe, sweet dreams c;